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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: Abnormal Freak on May 14, 2012, 07:00:02 PM
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This mini-documentary is so amazing. I'm serious—it's really entertaining to watch.
Though most of the time I don't know whether to laugh or feel really sad. :(
Warning: Boobs and even full-frontal nudity present.
American Juggalo on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/29589320)
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I had a friend who listens to ICP. He let me listen to a bunch of their songs and I was like, wtf dude? Seriously?
I mean, I'm all for alternative culture and music and shit, but alternative hip-hop? Meh.
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I like the Great Milenko cd thats about as far as it goes with me and icp
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Well there goes the last shred of hope for today's youth.
Exterminate! Exterminate!
Plus the fully nude chick, I didn't find her attractive in the least bit, her hair or whatever is on her head turned me off.
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I was more horrified by her perfectly awful posture.
The "titties for a dollar" chick was pretty cute, though, and I can't help but be intrigued by and slightly attracted to the one who calls herself Maniac.
Though realistically I'd never wanna hang out with either because I hate people, especially women—especially Juggalettes.
By the way, when everyone talks about the gathering of fellow Juggalos being a "family," especially that group of dudes who start chanting "FAM-UH-LEE, FAM-UH-LEE," all I could think about is this Casey Jones reaction (at 0:25)—
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Movie (9/10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpE-moGWBqY#)
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All I got to say about ICP is.... fuckin' magnets, how do they work?
Fuckin' Magnets, how do they work? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvmvxAcT_Yc#ws)
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Ima magnet
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I know a guy who posts here, BingleGod, is/was a Juggalo. Otherwise, I've never had any experiences with them.
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To go off of what he's told me, the whole subculture thing is certainly bizarre. On the other hand, it does provide a sense of community for people who are social outcasts or feel left out by society. It's a family-feeling brought on by the mutual love of a rap duo.
It's nowhere near my cup of tea, but I can respect the feeling of inclusiveness.
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Every Juggalo I've sen looked like white trash. And every Juggalette... well, some I would fuck till my dick fell off and i can fuck a long-ass time... but most were either trash or junkies. And everytime I see a chick with that many piercings over her face, i can't help but think of the adult store employee from Moral Orel, Stephanie.
http://video.adultswim.com/moral-orel/stephanie-helps-orel.html (http://video.adultswim.com/moral-orel/stephanie-helps-orel.html)
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To me, the Juggalo appear to be a modern version of the Hippie. Hippies were in essence an outcast of society as they were against the political/military state of mind that the majority of the world had embraced since the cold war began. So it looks like we're coming full-circle once more, but yeah they do look kind trashy. Each to their own I suppose.
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I remember first hearing about ICP in the mid/late 90s and not entirely understanding it. The whole culture is fascinating, I wonder what will happen to it with the inevitable demise of the original band through either retirement or death. Cult of personalities don't seem to do too well without a patron to keep them going after the original's death, but I'm sure someone close to the band will see enough money in it to keep it going one way or the other.
The band itself has gotten more "interesting" you might say, since their conversion (or "reveal" as they put it iirc) to Christianity. And the obvious difficulty of reconciling that religion with things like the verse about killing/violating a woman then using a broken broomstick in a very unpleasant way as recited by a Juggalo in the above video.
ICP has their own Wrestling Federation by the way, "Juggalo Championship Wrestling", formerly "Championshit" before their religious awakening. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo_Championship_Wrestling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo_Championship_Wrestling) and the band themselves have wrestled for many years.
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I thought it was just a morality awakening (said to be 'planned all along'), not a Christian conversion, despite some people equating their message to that of Christianity's? I believe I recall Shaggy and J denying any Christian connections in an interview.
As for will the Juggalo movement disappear when the band disbands or dies? According to what I knew at the time, Juggalos don't follow just the ICP, but there have been other groups absorbed into Psychopathic Records that also qualify you under the same title, such as Twizted. In a sense its as much an outcast community for the listeners, as the artists. Theoretically Juggalos can live on forever, as long as new artists join the ranks. I however don't know if that is still true.
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Nah it was Christian http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god) and funny thing about that interview, the video they're watching isn't by a college professor, odd they would assume that, not to mention that they think the video took 2 days to make.
The person who made the video actually responded to the interview as well - the video they're watching (in the interview) Understanding Insane Clown Posse's "Miracles" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGy64NJWotg#ws) the response/reaction to the interview Insane Clown Posse: not fans of ZJ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6OovPxx6oc#) Also it is extremely disappointing, but sadly not surprising, if after all that talk of acceptance many Juggalos attack transgendered and/or gay people*. Not sure which Zinnia Jones identifies as.
*As someone is suggesting in the comments.
As for will the Juggalo movement disappear when the band disbands or dies? According to what I knew at the time, Juggalos don't follow just the ICP, but there have been other groups absorbed into Psychopathic Records that also qualify you under the same title, such as Twizted. In a sense its as much an outcast community for the listeners, as the artists. Theoretically Juggalos can live on forever, as long as new artists join the ranks. I however don't know if that is still true.
That's interesting, I guess I should have expected that ICP would have franchised out the Juggalo brand to lots of different bands already. That is given how deceptively organized they are, having their own wrestling federation/7 day festival etc. Looks like they've got it all set up to be a consistent money maker for their descendants.
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They're Christian now apparently. It's part of the gig to bash the trannys and fags- oops.
And yeah, guess I didn't hear that right, lol. Strange, but interesting. I can sort of understand where they're coming from with "Miracles" though, and I believe Mark Twain did a similar bit on rivers too in a short story. Understanding mystical happenings and miracles removes all the 'magic' and emotion in them. I know this to be especially true, having lost the magical feeling about many things as I further understand and research them.
In this light, it is most definitely true that ignorance is bliss. Go figure.
As an additional note, I'd be curious to know how the other groups licensed with Psychopathic Records reacted to this. Did some jump ship? Did they also tag along with it?
EDIT: Looking at the Psychopathic Records site briefly, I see ICP, Twizted, Blaze, and ABK listed on the main page. Seems like the same crew from years ago. Guess no one jumped ship.
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Nah it was Christian http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god)
Boom, counter post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality)
It's Wikipedia, but eh, it's got sources.
But there's really nothing in that Guardian article that actually speaks "Christian" or "Christ." The ICP dudes don't actually call themselves Christians in any way, so it's a mistake to say they are.
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But there's really nothing in that Guardian article that actually speaks "Christian" or "Christ." The ICP dudes don't actually call themselves Christians in any way, so it's a mistake to say they are.
I would have thought so to except that they didn't correct the interviewer when he asked them about their "Christian Message", though I'll admit I may have mis-read it last night as I was very sleepy lol. I had read it before but that was back in 2010. (Geez hard to believe it's already been that long.) But yeah they also mentioned that "The carnival is GOD!" which specifies monotheism and taken with their Christian background implies Yahweh of the Abrahamic tradition. Unless they're Zoroastrians.
Or secretly Hindu and they're talking about Brahman lol. But if they have specified that their spiritual message is not particularly Christian elsewhere I stand corrected, it would make more business sense for them to be less specific and appeal to a wider audience after all. And you've done more research on it than me.
They're Christian now apparently. It's part of the gig to bash the trannys and fags- oops.
As a bisexual in a serious relationship with a transgendered person I can confirm that many unfortunately do see that to be the case.
EDIT: Looking at the Psychopathic Records site briefly, I see ICP, Twizted, Blaze, and ABK listed on the main page. Seems like the same crew from years ago. Guess no one jumped ship.
Yeah I would imagine they consulted with all of them before going public with the shift/"reveal".
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Boom, counter post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality)
It's Wikipedia, but eh, it's got sources.
But there's really nothing in that Guardian article that actually speaks "Christian" or "Christ." The ICP dudes don't actually call themselves Christians in any way, so it's a mistake to say they are.
Ah, so I wasn't wrong?
Er- Um- I mean, OF COURSE I wasn't wrong! I'm UZO! The prospector of undeniably truths. Correct 99.999% of the time. Your base for all the facts.
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I would have thought so to except that they didn't correct the interviewer when he asked them about their "Christian Message"
Yeah, there is that. I kind of wonder if it was just something where Violent J didn't want to argue on the point—or maybe he already had but the author for whatever reason ignored it and kept throwing around the word "Christian" as he seems to keep doing throughout the article, even though Violent J and Shaggy don't refer to themselves as such.
Maybe the author just has an inability to see that a lot of non-Christians worship God. A lot of people talk about God or give their shout-outs to God, but they're not exactly talking about the Judeo–Christian God—or if they are, it's that God within a context different from much of Christian doctrine and theology.
Kinda like...I don't think people thought Prince was a Christian in the '80s because he would write "All love & thanks 2 God" in his liner notes, heh.
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Yeah, there is that. I kind of wonder if it was just something where Violent J didn't want to argue on the point—or maybe he already had but the author for whatever reason ignored it and kept throwing around the word "Christian" as he seems to keep doing throughout the article, even though Violent J and Shaggy don't refer to themselves as such.
Maybe the author just has an inability to see that a lot of non-Christians worship God. A lot of people talk about God or give their shout-outs to God, but they're not exactly talking about the Judeo–Christian God—or if they are, it's that God within a context different from much of Christian doctrine and theology.
Kinda like...I don't think people thought Prince was a Christian in the '80s because he would write "All love & thanks 2 God" in his liner notes, heh.
This is true. Also off topic a bit but didn't Prince turn out to be a member of the- ahh just checked. Jehovah's Witnesses. Maybe he'll show up to your doorstep in a suite and tie one of these days. ;)
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Also off topic a bit but didn't Prince turn out to be a member of the- ahh just checked. Jehovah's Witnesses.
Maybe this is why Prince has not been elevated to the King of Pop status.
As a bisexual in a serious relationship with a transgendered person I can confirm that many unfortunately do see that to be the case.
Dude I commend you on being able to be open about things that would make skinheads, KKKs and Neo Nazis role in their graves for all eternity! +1
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Maybe this is why Prince has not been elevated to the King of Pop status.
Dude I commend you on being able to be open about things that would make skinheads, KKKs and Neo Nazis role in their graves for all eternity! +1
Thanks :) I believe most people are either apathetic or sympathetic to the differences of others once they come to know them. It's my hope that bigotry generally will continue to decline in our era of instantaneous global communication and increased understanding. As bigotry is I think mostly a result of ignorance in the form of a lack of familiarity/experience, so being ourselves and good people while open about our diversity is the best way to dispel it.
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I love trannies, but unfortunately for me it's one of those things that money is required for, in my mind. First off, you might look very feminine as a young lad, but when you get older, unless you paid good money for hormone therapy and reconstructive surgery, when you get up into the 40s you will not look like a woman. Granted, women in their 60s start to look like guys anyway, but it's a tad different with trannies. I've seen some (not talking about Thai or Jap ladyboys) that look GRrrrrrREAT as girls and can't help but wonder where they got the funding for that kind of work. But I've seen some (a customer just last week, for example) who are hideously grotesque in their age, like they were only able to afford a year's supply of hormones and a cheap boob job. And if you're a tranny, please for the love of God, take care of your body! Unless your blood is seeped in female hormones, when you start packing on the pounds, your maleness will rear its ugly head and you will have the tell-tale beer gut. On a girl, that's fugly as heck! But I don't have anything against trannies in general; I understand botht he fascination with wanting to change gender as well as the fascination with those who have attempted the transition. The trannies who have gone very, very far in changing their gender are damn amazing! I don't just mean in looks, I mean I've seen some trannies that even sound and behave like girls, move like girls and show all sorts of mannerisms that Western culture defines as feminine.
But then again, the Bible says you shouldn't lay with another man as a girl, so shame on trannies, I guess. But it's ok to bang another man as long as you're not the one that is like a girl.
On the topic of female-to-male trannies, I can't say much on them. Chaz Bono is the only one I actually know of as a tranny. Aside from his girly facial features and the fact he's kinda got girl chunk, I will say his transition was pretty impressive for me.
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Well, the thing that you have at least partially gotten but that many people seem to struggle with is that gender does not equal physical sex. Since gender consists of largely if not wholly socially-constructed concepts of what is “feminine” and what is “masculine”. These conceptions vary widely from culture to culture and in many cases even from generation to generation within a culture. Pink was about a hundred or so years ago widely used as a color for little boys in the west, while blue was seen as a virginal** girls color, which we still see evidenced by the Virgin Mary’s common depiction in that color. These associates are often rooted in what roles are expected of a member of one or the other gender in a society, someone wearing stiletto high heel shoes is literally incapable of doing hard physical labor for example.
While there are obvious tendencies among physical sexes to identify with one or the other gender there are exceptions. It is more than possible to be physically a member of one sex and identify with whatever traits a culture assigns to the gender associated with the opposite sex.
Another common mistake made is tying gender to sexuality. I have met male-to-female (MtF) transgendered people who are only attracted to females, in turn of course their are female-to-males (FtM) who only like men, and the whole Kinsey scale in-between. So a transgendered person is not “just a gay man/woman” as many mistakenly think.
Also might want to be careful using the word "tranny" since it was originally intended as an insulting term a lot of transgendered people have the "our word/taking it back" attitude that many black people have with the N-word and gay people have with the various derogatory names for them.
But then again, the Bible says you shouldn't lay with another man as a girl, so shame on trannies, I guess. But it's ok to bang another man as long as you're not the one that is like a girl.
Not meaning to insult anyone's religion here so I'll just give some examples from the Bible itself. The same book of the Bible with the restriction against homosexuality, Leviticus, also says it’s a sin to mix fabrics in your clothing (Leviticus 19:19), cut or shave your hair/beard (Leviticus 19:27), or eat lobster or shrimp (Leviticus 11:9-12). Leviticus also says unruly children should be killed (Leviticus 20:9), and the Bible indeed features an incident where God rips to pieces 42 children via bear attack for making fun of a guy for being bald. (2 Kings 2:23-24) Oh also people with flat noses, or who are blind or lame are not allowed to approach the altar of God. (Leviticus 21:17-18) These are just some of the many, many many loopy laws in Leviticus, Deuteronomy and elsewhere in the Bible which we no longer follow. Funny we don’t see as many people calling for the stoning of those who work on the Sabbath or adulterers like the Bible also commands? Cherry-picking parts of religious books is just an easy way to justify bigotry.
The fact is that the ancient Hebrews had no idea how physical reproduction works and they were facing an under-population crises at the time. So they thought homosexuality was “wasting” the vital life essence of a man which was expunged when he um *cough*. As far as they knew women were just a vessel for the man’s essence to gestate in. Given other such “enlightening” advice in the Bible, I feel it’s safe to disregard it’s restriction against homosexuality as it is every bit as silly and, since we are not ancient Hebrews, arbitrary.
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**All-important in societies where power/wealth etc. is traced through male lines, no one wants/wanted to be cuckold into giving his stuff to another man’s son, so absolute control of a woman’s life and sexuality by her paternal family and later husband was/is the ideal.