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@Nagumo: I'm with you. I don't have any problem with hot women, but I just don't like it when they are kept in the background like some secondary character.
And by the way, LoS women aren't even pretty. None of them. And that wasn't the case in previous games, even not-IGA games.

I didn't like it when IGA removed Sonia from the canon, I think it's the worst thing he did (the only one I didn't like, by the way). IGA himself proved wrong that statement, when Charlotte and Shanoa were female protagonists in vampire stories.

And music being feminine, I guess he meant delicate, and I'm sorry but I don't find Araujo's music delicate, the action cues are unbearable to me, and the rest (soft tracks) are just plain boring (in my opinion).
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About Yamane's music being "feminine", I don't really know what is defined as "feminine" music...
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But I sure as hell wouldn't be caught dead calling that (along with quite a few of CoD's tracks) "feminine".
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On the other hand, Mercurysteam felt that Castlevania wasn't dudebro enough, so they need to add in protagonists with HULKING MUSCLES and lots of enemies with BOOBS. THE MORE THE BETTER. Cause those are direct indicators of how MATURE a game is, bro. And GENERIC MATURE DUDEBRO games are totally better than anything wussy and girly like those stupid other games. Right, bro?


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@Flame: The fact that you had to pull those examples from multiple games proves my point. Also Gabriel has abnormal body proportions beyond those examples you posted.

@Shiroi Koumori: The succubus art was censored for the US release of SotN. That is the version he posted.

@Pfil: To clarify, IGA said that female protagonists in the series were hard to justify historically, more so as the games get chronologically older. This matches up with Shanoa and Charlotte being heroes in games that are much later in the timeline.

Also Legends has fundamental conflicts with many titles that came before it. The game was most likely removed from the timeline due to those many dates, events, and character ages that do not match the other games before it, not because Sonia was a female protagonist.

For the record, I don't think that in a fantasy series like this it is hard to justify a female protagonist at all. Most of the super powers are not gender specific (high spirituality, vampirism, etc) so it is completely valid that a female character could have been the one to have acquired them. If we can explain away things with "Dracula's Magic" then we certainly disregard historical sociological norms just as easily, if not more easily.

Despite this though, I don't particularly believe IGA is sexist. If that were true, we'd never see Shanoa and Charlotte see the light of day ever. On top of that, it does make an amount of sense that the focus is on the male heirs of a bloodline, the ones who pass the genetics, in a series concentrating on the lineage of a family. As a third caveat, we also know some developers are told by management that they CANNOT make a game with a female protagonist period. It could have been something out of IGA's hands entirely for quite some time.

All speculation of course. Take it for what it's worth.

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Charlotte was actually the better character in PoR. After her spell damage is considered, if you outfitted her with the right gear, she was just about as powerful as Johnathan in the attack and defense categories.

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What the  heck have I missed -_- ?

Way too busy with school and finals.

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I'm rather glad IGA retconned Legends because Sonia bangin' Alucard and that's why Belmonts are so strong... 'Kay. It was a trite story to begin with and Sonia is perhaps even more a ripoff of Doris Lang than Alucard is of D.
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And by the way, LoS women aren't even pretty. None of them. And that wasn't the case in previous games, even not-IGA games

Agreed on this point.

Also, not much love for Sonia Belmont from me. Yeah, it's nice she's a girl and all, but the concept... even the suggestion of Belmonts being related to Dracula, or BEING Dracula is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF! I know IGA didn't state that as his reason for retconning Legends, at least I don't think he did, but that is more than enough reason in my opinion to justify doing that.
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I just think it's impossible to try and tie in any females to the bloodline. Suppose each game explained the origin of the protagonist; the repetitiveness would bore some. It's best I feel to just know that that's a grandson or great great great grandson. Now if it were done in reverse and let's say Julius was a female ( his sister maybe) then tying them together probably would seem more organized
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Wow man way to take shots at someone via forum. Not cool man
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Wow man way to take shots at someone via forum. Not cool man

Shouldn't you be making another crappy Hokuto No Ken game.  :-\

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I do have ideas for a game but that's not my field of expertise. I have never posted once about the games for the simple fact they aren't my genre of choice. (I do own both of the newer installments as well as some of the rarer old titles however). I was defending an offline user when u threw the word faggot in their direction. I have never met anyone from this forum on the outside. But since I do enjoy it here I feel like the last thing a forum needs is that one person that shows up just to be 95% disagreeable to others' post. With so much anger u seem to have welled up inside u, I suggest finding a new outlet to vent your frustration. And by no means do I care what is said after this. I will however continue to express my opinions as open-minded and not be derogatory if possible.  :)
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