Topic: Netflix Castlevania vs. Bloodstained

[DraculaCronqvist]

If I'd absolutely have to decide, my vote would go to Bloodstained simply by virtue of it being a game. I like actively playing more than passively watching something. I mean, I'm still hurting that it won't be our old beloved Castlevania, with Dracula as the main villain and such, but still.

Though as it stands, the trailer for the animated series looked awesome. Maybe this won't be so bad after all - as long as it's as much disconnected from Lords of Shadows as humanly possible.

[theplottwist]

And you are exaggerating everyone else's arguments into hyperbolic non sense.  You seem to be arguing from a very emotional place, you can't see a discussion on the topic of this series without dumping vitriol all over it. 

You'll not stop gaslighting me, will you?

I'll also remind you that this was me, when the teaser came out:

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I will ALSO remind you I was not the first person to say the teaser was "safe", but you got hung over ME saying it, which does lead me to believe the issue is with me, not with what I say.

And just throwing out there that Warren Ellis is a SUPERB writer. We really couldn't have asked for anybody better.

Yeah ok

he had Iga working with him on the script for literally a decade (sending it back with notes at least 4 times)

Also, IGA didn't "work with him on the script", but on pre-production material (namely, the main premise and an "outline" of the full material) and as a reviewer, not as writter.

Actually, I should mention IGA's involvement with it back then is what gives me some hope of this succeeding. But I also know very well IGA not only didn't create CVIII, but kept CVIII's story canon changing ONE detail (Alucard's birth) to not step on the toes of who created it.

But keep in mind IGA is not involved this time.

So, you're allowed to like Ellis. I'm allowed not to, and I don't give a shit for whom or what he worked on previously.

[AlexCalvo]

You'll not stop gaslighting me, will you?

I'll also remind you that this was me, when the teaser came out:

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I will ALSO remind you I was not the first person to say the teaser was "safe", but you got hung over ME saying it, which does lead me to believe the issue is with me, not with what I say.

I honestly have no problem with you at all. I am a big fan of your fan project, and think you are one of the most knowledgable fans in the entire fandom.  I bring you up only because I remember discussing the teaser poster with you, and then the teaser trailer, and your two lines of criticism seemed strangely at odds with each other.  And I get that you said you were satisfied with the teaser in one post, but you jumped into this thread with your "Jesus christ"'s and your all caps sentences dumming down logical arguments into childish banter.  If you are unaware, that comes across pretty dick-ish. So it makes it seem very disingenuous when you try and play the victim, while simultaneously pulling shit like this...
"B-BUT THE TEASER"

Nobody is gas lighting you, you are being rude and straw manning.  You're getting overly emotional and lashing out.  If I had to guess I'd say your time devoted to your fan game has made you feel a sense of ownership over the series, and the fact that someone else now has and is acting on the actual ownership has you rubbed the wrong way. I understand that feeling COMOLETELY, if you remember I actually had been working on a script for a Castlevania Netflix series since my film classes in college. If I can get over it so can you.

[theplottwist]

If I had to guess I'd say your time devoted to your fan game has made you feel a sense of ownership over the series,

Thank god this is just a guess. Nice try, though.

Could I guess you are praising this series because you wrote a script, and now you're seeing somebody else realize your dreams?

Do you know who has ownership of the Castlevania IP and is doing a bad job with it? KONAMI. It's not Adi Shankar who will "rub me the wrong way" because of "having ownership of the IP", fam. He's probably doing a better job with it than Konami is.

You should stop trying to read my mind and making assumptions. It's not working. You still couldn't grasp what my criticism is and is now trying to read my thoughts and feelings. This is making you look like you can't actually argue out of appeal to emotions (a logical fallacy I've been pointing out OVER AND OVER and you can't stop using).

[AlexCalvo]

Your argument that it conflicts with the themes of the series? I just ignored it because it is outrageously innacurate. And the reason I am excited is the same reason virtually every castlevania fan got excited, the teaser is exactly what we wanted to see.  As much as people always love when someone else realizes their personal dream (thanks for that friendly knife twist btw), no, that is not why I am excited.  I am excited because I love the work of Warren Ellis and Adi Shankar,  and I love Castlevania.

Now to my point that you ignored, why are you trying to play the victim and claim to be getting gas lighted when you are the one being rude to everyone who disagrees with you?  My assumption was merely speculation to explain why someone who is usually very calm and logical is flying off the handle and making fun of others.  For someone who claims to not be emotionally invested, you're getting extra salty. And you're the only salty one here.

[theplottwist]

Alex Calvo:

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Your argument that it conflicts with the themes of the series? I just ignored it because it is outrageously innacurate

Superviolence.

As much as people always love when someone else realizes their personal dream (thanks for that friendly knife twist btw)

You used my project against me first when I'm asking you to stop trying to read my mind.

And, it was friendly for real. I'd actually fawn over someone realizing my own dream. But I think I'd put that shit aside to objectivelly analyse the evidence at hand, which is what I'm doing all this time with this animated project. Don't you think I wanna be happy for something Castlevania of high budget being done, dude?

The script? Sucks. People tried to tell me I was wrong when I said it was connected to this. Lo and behold, it is connected to this.
The themes? Sucks. "Superviolence", "Grant is a pirate", "Sypha is no more a witch", "Castle looks like obviously evil tower and not like a castle". and the pile just keeps getting bigger (And I'd add to the list "using Kyassuruvania instead of Akumajo Dracula which could be implying that the castle won't be a Demon Castle at all but some other thing the castle isn't", but I agree this might be too much of a reach on my part).

See, I can keep going. The only thing going for me on this animation right now is the teaser, that does look pretty cool even if it's safe as fuck. I also find it conspicuously convenient that the castle shown at the end is obviously not the castle they're really using. Huh...

But you see now that I have very little to grasp on here. I literally have the animation style itself, which again, does look nice. I'll give it to Shankar that his choice of animation studio was good based on this teaser.

no, that is not why I am excited.  I am excited because I love the work of Warren Ellis and Adi Shankar

I know you love them both. But I DON'T. That's what you're not getting. You just assume they are loved by everyone, and that's not true. I don't like Ellis' past works and I don't like Shankar's edgy works. Put yourself on my shoes and try imagining two people whose work you dislike being united to do a work you like.
 

Now to my point that you ignored, why are you trying to play the victim and claim to be getting gas lighted when you are the one being rude to everyone who disagrees with you?

Like that time when I disagreed with you, and you went straight for my neck? Or that time I disagreed with the castle's design looking good and you teamed up with EstebanT to go straight for my neck?

It seems I can't say one WORD of disagreement (sometimes not even with someone in specific, but in criticism of the work itself) and one of you will go ballistic. WTF

 

My assumption was merely speculation to explain why someone who is usually very calm and logical is flying off the handle and making fun of others.  For someone who claims to not be emotionally invested, you're getting extra salty. And you're the only salty one here.

Have you considered YOU might be the one acting on emotion and seeing everything I say as "being salty". You dismiss everything I say as "nah you're just upset, nah you're just salty" ignoring straight evidence that I present and detailed arguments that I make.

Guess how that makes you appear to me. I'm starting to believe I can't say anything about Ellis without you going crazy. Dude is not above criticism, yo.

[Nagumo]

Guys, you should both take a breather. You both seem to disagree strongly, so instead of continuously seeking out a confrontation with each other, just agree to disagree. At the very least, wait until the series has actually released before discussing whether it's any good or not. Everyone should be able to post their own impressions about this series without being called out on it by someone else. So please get back on-topic or else I'll lock this thread. Also, if I see this kind of discussion again in other topics, I'll put an to that as well.

[Abnormal Freak]

I love boobies. I just want some tasteful nudity in both the Netflix show and new game, that's all I ask.

[Chernabogue]

I'm mainly looking forward the Netflix series, because it's an official CV one AND based on CV3. Not too many episodes, animation looks good.

So far, Bloodstained hasn't blew my mind and it only comes out in a year, so I still have time to look forward to it.

[theplottwist]

Snatched this pic from the Netflix thumbnail. You can see one of those silhuette shots from the castle.





At least it doesn't look like a tower from this perspective. Just a really ugly castle.

[Crying Freeman]

No doubt the show for me. Bloodstained is looking great and it is a game but holy fuck... The show looks good but it IS the Castlevania universe. Since I was a kid I'd imagined a CV film, thought it'd never happen, but here it is!! My childhood self would explode over this announcement. Plus Castlevania potentially getting more mainstream exposure is only healthy for the brand.

[affinity]

the CVIII TV show is not interactive, and its story is said and done.

 Bloodstained is interactive, more immersive as a game, and a new story overall., and can get a lot more total hours played than the amount of times the TV series is watched.

both can be awesome though.  though Bloodstained easily wins it if they actually launch it.

[X]

I'll reserve my vote for when I experience both the game and the CVIII Netflix episodes. At the moment it's all up in the air and can go either way for both.

[KaZudra]

Both. Now Who can I bribe into leeching Netflix?

[Shiroi Koumori]

Both. Now Who can I bribe into leeching Netflix?

Someone somewhere will leak it to youtube or any other site.