I'm really not sure what the whole obsession is for people to want Superman and Batman duke it out. For god sakes they are in two totally different leagues. Not even Batman's technology will bring him up to par. Unless he has a chunk of Kryptonite on hand he won't succeed. It's no different then watching Superman going head to head with Captain Marval all the time they have the two in the same show. It does get very repetitive real fast. I'll probably watch this flick anyways but won't be that enamored by it. I would have much rathered they made a Batman/Superman movie during the Christopher Reeve/Micheal Keaton days, and not a 'one verses the other' either. It may be too early to judge this film but I have my doubts as to whether or not it'll pan out the way everyone hopes it will. My brother feels it's going to tank and he's usually right when it comes to his gut feeling. If he's wrong then he'll be pleasantly surprised like a kid out of school.
Have you watch The Dark Knight Strikes Returns?
lol, the what??
Explains alot in your logic.
So you never watched or read The Dark Knight Returns or The Dark Knight Strikes Again?
I'm not sure where you drew this conclusion from but there was no logic involved on my side. Hence the lol.I was talking about how you drew the conclusion of how Batman couldn't beat Superman and his technology would be inferior to a battle with Superman. That undermines the whole plot of The Dark Knight Returns. By that logic Lex Luthor couldn't even beat Superman and that is definitely not the case.
I've seen The Dark Knight Returns now that you've reminded me. It wasn't bad and the addition of a female Robin over the typical male role was a unique twist that was interesting. I've just looked up The Dark Knight Strikes Again and it sounds like a real nightmare world. Do these to animated flicks have anything to do with how the movie is going to be presented?
I was talking about how you drew the conclusion of how Batman couldn't beat Superman and his technology would be inferior to a battle with Superman. That undermines the whole plot of The Dark Knight Returns.
By that logic Lex Luthor couldn't even beat Superman and that is definitely not the case.
Superhero movies are a different breed entirely and are more based in reality then cartoons or comics.What?! ;D
What?! ;D
Yeay! I gotta happyface grin response from you :) I was worried that I insulted you due to Batman being your favorite character. That was not the intention.Nan dude, to each his own preference. However this is one of my favorite shirts to wear:
Nice shirt. In that image you remind me of John Henry Irons aka The Man of Steel from the Death and Return of Superman lol ;D
Interesting theory, I guess. But I'm not really buying it. Like, it says that Batman's suit is visually inspired by the Outsiders comic, when Snyder has already stated that it was inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Plus, the whole "story" that was written later on is extremely amateur.
Some other problems with it are that they've specifically referred to him as Bruce Wayne in articles and such. Plus, they've been eyeing Joe Manganiello as Deathstroke for Suicide Squad. However, he never joined the cast, but Scott Eastwood is in the cast, and he's been rumored to have taken up the role. David Harbour is also in the movie, and he looks like he could even take up the role of Slade.
The Joker as Robin part I can buy. But not as John Blake. As Dick Grayson. They're taking a lot of inspiration from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Universe, and were Joker actually Robin, Dick Grayson would make the most sense. Dick Grayson was a villain in The Dark Knight Strikes Back, and he pretended to be the Joker for much of the comic.
But this whole "Batman is actually Slade Wilson"? I just don't buy it at all.
Why not Tim Drake as Joker? it'll be cool to use Batman Beyond's Joker premise as something new, and "new" comic book universes are just retcon-canons from old ones, especially given how radical the new joker looks, It makes sense that the previous Joker's conditioning into latent insanity showing the cracks would be perfect.
Also Dick Grayson Batman would also be good for this as well, adding turmoil to a war to once brothers of the bat family
If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.
You do realize that, nowadays, trailers are far more likely to draw out excitement for bigger dividends than they are to tease some ridiculously elaborate plot twist that requires a 50-page thesis to explain? After all, this is Warner Brothers. They're not in the business of convoluted comic-book storytelling, they're in the business of... well, business.
It's an interesting theory, but don't expect it to be accurate.
Two other points:
1) Aren't they in talks with Ben Affleck to have him write, direct, and star in a solo Batman movie? Unless that's all a smokescreen and it's really a Deathstorke movie which seems silly.
2) If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.
1.) Could be misleading...maybe...I personally like the idea of having a Batman Vs. Superman movie with it not really being the original counterparts in the DC Universe. That leaves a film that still has recognizable characters to the causal movie goers, and a little fan service to the more hardcore comic fans. I am with them not "crossing the streams" with recasts. If it's early enough (ahem, Warmachine, Captain America, etc.) I can deal with it. But I hate that sh*t. It reminds me when they re-casted Kane Hodder from Freddy Vs. Jason. Imagine how awesome that movie could have been with Kane Hodder in that role!DC animation is arguably better than Marvel's live action stuff
2.) I dunno if I totally buy that argument. I look at the end of Days of Future past and the Apocalypse teaser, I mean come on who other than hardcore comic and X fans who knew half the characters were in that movie hell I could even go back to X3..? I also look at the Thanos reveals and teaser's in the Marvel movies, same logic. Finally, Guardians of the Galaxy another basically unknown cast of characters. Let's be real unless you follow comics or that series specifically, barely anyone knew them at all and now their household names. I could go on with Ant Man, Falcon, and a whole other list of B and C characters that Marvel has brought to the mainstream.
3.) On a side note, DC knows how to make animated movies, don't know why they can't get their act together for the live action stuff. Also, am I the only one who had the idea of Michael Keaton reprising Batman for one of the animated movies? Seems like money on the table if you ask me...
DC animation is arguably better than Marvel's live action stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro)
Sooo, I'm going to watch it.
Opinions?
I must say, I am surprised at Doomsday even though it was kinda hinted at because of the whole New 52 thing. I am kinda bummed because I would rather get a Death of Superman movie where that plot is made forefront. The Death of Superman definitely deserves it's own movie.
I really hope they succeed though. DC movies don't get enough credit i.e Constantine, Jonah Hex, Watchmen.. etc
I still want Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman, but it'll never happen.
And people who boycott a film over a trailer are like people who swear off books from a general description someone gave them.
"Lord of the Rings is the epic tale involving some starving friends on a long journey."
OH MY GOD THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE I'LL NEVER READ IT.
Who saw the movie?
I thought it was great!
I was surprised how well the director threw in so much material in an already stuffed movie and made it fit.
Oh yeah, Batfflick's Bat is probably the best version of Batman I've seen on film.
I also liked the fact that Superman had a little more edge this time, but they made sure to give him some Christopher Reeve's flair this time around.
WW definitely brought it.
Lex Jr. was awesome as well.
Definitely a day 1 purchase on DVD/Blu-Ray.
Despite being in over half the film, I really feel like Superman is just a macguffin in the film. No two bones about it, this is ENTIRELY Batman's show.
Fortunately, Batman is FINALLY awesome enough to carry a whole film himself whereas the Nolan films were carried mostly by their villains. Batman is finally free to make his own arguments rather than form a rebuttal to someone else's.
Unfortunately, despite this being the most true-to-the-source take on Batman yet, I really can't say this is a great film. It's dark, plodding, and depressing, with very little hope to even out the bleakness, which, while a great commentary on our modern society, does not a compelling film make. They say that the night is darkest just before the dawn, but this movie is pretty fucking dark so the resulting dawn is going to have to be pretty amazing if DC wants to sell me on their ensemble Justice League film.
After the morose grimdark of this film and the far-more serious-than-usual upcoming Captain America: Civil War, Suicide Squad is going to be a welcome slice of mood whiplash.
If you have kids, don't take them.
Interesting reviews...
I'll just wait for it to come out on TV. Movie tickets are too damn pricey nowadays. >:(
Well, only you can really know what you like, Darkman, but it was simply too moody for me.
It felt like "Watchmen featuring the Justice League".
And I liked Watchmen (especially the Director's cut). I think the Director's cut of Watchmen is probably the best comic to film adaptation out there. But it was bleak because the source was bleak.
Few I know would call Superman or Wonder Woman "bleak". They are serious, obviously, and have plenty of dark moments. But Superman is meant to be an ideal of hope, a symbol of inspiration to all.
And so far, the DC cinematic universe hasn't done a good job of portraying this. This Superman has not been inspiring. He's been moody, angry, and fearful in a way Superman shouldn't be. This has been done to make him relatable but Superman is an Icon, not a man. He's not meant to be relatable. Trying to make him something he's not meant to be greatly cheapens him. Batman is meant to be relatable. He is a man who faces realistic traumas and reacts by overcoming all challenges by cunning, planning, drive, and hard work. Wonder Woman too is meant to be relatable in her own way -- but NOT Superman.
Glad you enjoyed it though.
I can appreciate it, but I can't say as I "like" it.
Well... The Deadpool times aren't working out for our babysitter situation so the wife and I are sort of being forced to go see bvs.
I fucking love batman. But man, I have a bad feeling that it's not worth the money of a night out. This movie feels more like a redbox to me.
I hope the reviews and my gut are wrong!
They shoulda had Chloe grace moretz as robin.Joke's on you HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Why tons of characters yet no robin?
They shoulda had Chloe grace moretz as robin.
Why tons of characters yet no robin?
After seeing some reviews for this film I've decided not to bother with it.
That's a shame as I have just rewatched it and come away enjoying it SIGNIFICANTLY MORE the second time around.