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Title: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 18, 2015, 06:32:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwfUnkBfdZ4#t=22 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwfUnkBfdZ4#t=22)

OMG..OMG..OMG..
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 18, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
I'm really not sure what the whole obsession is for people to want Superman and Batman duke it out. For god sakes they are in two totally different leagues. Not even Batman's technology will bring him up to par. Unless he has a chunk of Kryptonite on hand he won't succeed. It's no different then watching Superman going head to head with Captain Marval all the time they have the two in the same show. It does get very repetitive real fast. I'll probably watch this flick anyways but won't be that enamored by it. I would have much rathered they made a Batman/Superman movie during the Christopher Reeve/Micheal Keaton days, and not a 'one verses the other' either. It may be too early to judge this film but I have my doubts as to whether or not it'll pan out the way everyone hopes it will. My brother feels it's going to tank and he's usually right when it comes to his gut feeling. If he's wrong then he'll be pleasantly surprised like a kid out of school.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 18, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
I'm really not sure what the whole obsession is for people to want Superman and Batman duke it out. For god sakes they are in two totally different leagues. Not even Batman's technology will bring him up to par. Unless he has a chunk of Kryptonite on hand he won't succeed. It's no different then watching Superman going head to head with Captain Marval all the time they have the two in the same show. It does get very repetitive real fast. I'll probably watch this flick anyways but won't be that enamored by it. I would have much rathered they made a Batman/Superman movie during the Christopher Reeve/Micheal Keaton days, and not a 'one verses the other' either. It may be too early to judge this film but I have my doubts as to whether or not it'll pan out the way everyone hopes it will. My brother feels it's going to tank and he's usually right when it comes to his gut feeling. If he's wrong then he'll be pleasantly surprised like a kid out of school.

Just waiting for the Batman argument. Have you watch The Dark Knight Strikes Returns?
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 18, 2015, 08:11:53 PM
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Have you watch The Dark Knight Strikes Returns?

lol, the what??
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 18, 2015, 08:30:09 PM
lol, the what??

So you never watched or read The Dark Knight Returns or The Dark Knight Strikes Again?

Explains alot in your logic.

You should look the comic or the DC movie based on the comic up. The comic is even voice acted on Youtube pretty good.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 18, 2015, 08:43:49 PM
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Explains alot in your logic.

I'm not sure where you drew this conclusion from but there was no logic involved on my side. Hence the lol.

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So you never watched or read The Dark Knight Returns or The Dark Knight Strikes Again?

I've seen The Dark Knight Returns now that you've reminded me. It wasn't bad and the addition of a female Robin over the typical male role was a unique twist that was interesting. I've just looked up The Dark Knight Strikes Again and it sounds like a real nightmare world. Do these to animated flicks have anything to do with how the movie is going to be presented?
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on April 18, 2015, 11:42:52 PM
Yes!
"Dawn of Justice" hehehe... nice. Justice League.
This really is a great period for comic book movies.

My only question is: Why are there no shots of Wonder Woman?
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Chernabogue on April 19, 2015, 01:38:31 AM
While not totally convinced by the pitch/movie, the aestethics and ambience seem to be really good.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 19, 2015, 07:33:18 AM
I'm not sure where you drew this conclusion from but there was no logic involved on my side. Hence the lol.

I've seen The Dark Knight Returns now that you've reminded me. It wasn't bad and the addition of a female Robin over the typical male role was a unique twist that was interesting. I've just looked up The Dark Knight Strikes Again and it sounds like a real nightmare world. Do these to animated flicks have anything to do with how the movie is going to be presented?
I was talking about how you drew the conclusion of how Batman couldn't beat Superman and his technology would be inferior to a battle with Superman. That undermines the whole plot of The Dark Knight Returns. By that logic Lex Luthor couldn't even beat Superman and that is definitely not the  case.

Dawn of Justice is heavily influenced by The Dark Knight Returns.

A proper argument would be who is more popular Superman or Batman?

In my opinion Batman is more popular than Superman, but Superman might be more iconic than Batman.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 19, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
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I was talking about how you drew the conclusion of how Batman couldn't beat Superman and his technology would be inferior to a battle with Superman. That undermines the whole plot of The Dark Knight Returns.

Oh this is what you meant. It wasn't clear the first time. When it comes to doing movies about superheros it's a far different story then doing say, doing a comic book or a cartoon. Superhero movies are a different breed entirely and are more based in reality then cartoons or comics. This is why I'm not convinced about Batman being able to tackle Superman with just using earth tech because it simply won't cut it. That and the physical laws apply more in movies then they do in comics or cartoons. Think about where Superman comes from; A much heavier gravity-based world then earth. Any metals (and I do mean any metals) that are based on earth Superman can wreck it very easily because of earth's low gravity. It just won't be convincing for me unless Batman has some sort of trump card ie Kryptonite. This would be essential in order to weaken Superman's dense molecular structure in order to land a proper hit.

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By that logic Lex Luthor couldn't even beat Superman and that is definitely not the  case.

Good always triumphs over evil. It's universal law. Aside from that, in all the movies Lex was all about using his intelligence to beat Superman and not engaging him in physical combat with a tech suit, which is more in line with his character then recently shown in the cartoons. Heck Nuclear man was an original idea and an original super villain that came from Lutor's intellect and he didn't have to lift a finger to challenge Superman which is more convincing to me.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 19, 2015, 10:52:19 AM
Superhero movies are a different breed entirely and are more based in reality then cartoons or comics.
What?!  ;D
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: uzo on April 19, 2015, 02:40:54 PM
I was hopeful but that trailer pretty much confirmed it's going to be shit. I'll wait to borrow a bluray from someone later when it comes out.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Ratty on April 19, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
I actually think the trailer for this looks better than the latest one for Star Wars 7. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 19, 2015, 10:46:23 PM
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What?!  ;D

Yeay! I gotta happyface grin response from you  :) I was worried that I insulted you due to Batman being your favorite character. That was not the intention.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Nail_Bombed on April 20, 2015, 03:28:26 AM
I'll probably head to it when it airs, but I can't say I'm overly excited - for two reasons, MOS was not the Superman movie we needed IMO, and ZACK SNYDER. The guy's a hack. Plus I have reservations about Batfleck.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 20, 2015, 12:12:15 PM
Yeay! I gotta happyface grin response from you  :) I was worried that I insulted you due to Batman being your favorite character. That was not the intention.
Nan dude, to each his own preference. However this is one of my favorite shirts to wear:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 20, 2015, 06:06:16 PM
Nice shirt. In that image you remind me of John Henry Irons aka The Man of Steel from the Death and Return of Superman lol ;D
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 21, 2015, 08:22:27 AM
Nice shirt. In that image you remind me of John Henry Irons aka The Man of Steel from the Death and Return of Superman lol ;D

Ha, Steel. That was a cool character unlike that awful Shaq movie! lol
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: VladCT on April 21, 2015, 08:28:41 PM
Honest Teaser - Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5HuQK5fYY#ws)
:P
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: TheouAegis on June 01, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
I liked Dark Knight Returns... But that was enough to satiate my appetite for Superman-vs.-Batman, so I probably won't see this movie until it airs on TV.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on July 12, 2015, 03:12:40 PM


I must admit, this looks pretty fn awesome!
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: TatteredSeraph on July 13, 2015, 01:12:32 AM
I'm really not convinced by the trailer for this.  Plus, near complete absence of Wonder Woman aside for a couple of blink and you'll miss it shots seemed a bit.... meh.  I wasn't impressed with Man of Steel either.  Started ok, then went downhill imo.  I'm looking forward much more to Deadpool (which deserves its own thread).  This about sums up Batman vs Superman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFPuyDrIIk. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFPuyDrIIk.)
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman (Could be a spoiler)
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 19, 2015, 02:22:15 PM
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/10/19/revealed-ben-affleck-s-batman-is-the-biggest-plot-twist-since-darth-vader-as-anakin-skywalker-3586492?lt_source=external,manual (http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/10/19/revealed-ben-affleck-s-batman-is-the-biggest-plot-twist-since-darth-vader-as-anakin-skywalker-3586492?lt_source=external,manual)

This is a hypothesis,but it would be crazy if this turned out to be the case!
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Claimh Solais on October 19, 2015, 02:34:40 PM
Interesting theory, I guess. But I'm not really buying it. Like, it says that Batman's suit is visually inspired by the Outsiders comic, when Snyder has already stated that it was inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Plus, the whole "story" that was written later on is extremely amateur.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 19, 2015, 03:20:13 PM
Interesting theory, I guess. But I'm not really buying it. Like, it says that Batman's suit is visually inspired by the Outsiders comic, when Snyder has already stated that it was inspired by The Dark Knight Returns. Plus, the whole "story" that was written later on is extremely amateur.

I dunno dude, this makes a crazy argument. Check out the other link for even more data, it explains the suit(s) and reasoning behind them.

I tell you what this would banana's if it turns out to be true!

It would be the most EPIC plot twist in history!

http://www.totalspoiler.com/index.php/the-thesis-of-plot-twist/ (http://www.totalspoiler.com/index.php/the-thesis-of-plot-twist/)
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Claimh Solais on October 20, 2015, 09:34:04 PM
Some other problems with it are that they've specifically referred to him as Bruce Wayne in articles and such. Plus, they've been eyeing Joe Manganiello as Deathstroke for Suicide Squad. However, he never joined the cast, but Scott Eastwood is in the cast, and he's been rumored to have taken up the role. David Harbour is also in the movie, and he looks like he could even take up the role of Slade.

The Joker as Robin part I can buy. But not as John Blake. As Dick Grayson. They're taking a lot of inspiration from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Universe, and were Joker actually Robin, Dick Grayson would make the most sense. Dick Grayson was a villain in The Dark Knight Strikes Back, and he pretended to be the Joker for much of the comic.

But this whole "Batman is actually Slade Wilson"? I just don't buy it at all.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: KaZudra on October 21, 2015, 11:03:07 PM
Some other problems with it are that they've specifically referred to him as Bruce Wayne in articles and such. Plus, they've been eyeing Joe Manganiello as Deathstroke for Suicide Squad. However, he never joined the cast, but Scott Eastwood is in the cast, and he's been rumored to have taken up the role. David Harbour is also in the movie, and he looks like he could even take up the role of Slade.

The Joker as Robin part I can buy. But not as John Blake. As Dick Grayson. They're taking a lot of inspiration from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Universe, and were Joker actually Robin, Dick Grayson would make the most sense. Dick Grayson was a villain in The Dark Knight Strikes Back, and he pretended to be the Joker for much of the comic.

But this whole "Batman is actually Slade Wilson"? I just don't buy it at all.

Why not Tim Drake as Joker? it'll be cool to use Batman Beyond's Joker premise as something new, and "new" comic book universes are just retcon-canons from old ones, especially given how radical the new joker looks, It makes sense that the previous Joker's conditioning into latent insanity showing the cracks would be perfect.

Also Dick Grayson Batman would also be good for this as well, adding turmoil to a war to once brothers of the bat family
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Claimh Solais on October 21, 2015, 11:27:13 PM
Why not Tim Drake as Joker? it'll be cool to use Batman Beyond's Joker premise as something new, and "new" comic book universes are just retcon-canons from old ones, especially given how radical the new joker looks, It makes sense that the previous Joker's conditioning into latent insanity showing the cracks would be perfect.

Also Dick Grayson Batman would also be good for this as well, adding turmoil to a war to once brothers of the bat family

I never said no to Tim Drake as Joker, but the reason I pointed out Dick Grayson Joker is because of the heavy amount of inspiration Zack Snyder is taking from Frank Miller's universe, where Dick Grayson becomes an antagonist who impersonates the Joker.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: spookyhappyfun on October 22, 2015, 05:17:40 AM
Two other points:

1) Aren't they in talks with Ben Affleck to have him write, direct, and star in a solo Batman movie? Unless that's all a smokescreen and it's really a Deathstorke movie which seems silly.

2) If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Intersection on October 22, 2015, 06:53:46 AM
You do realize that, nowadays, trailers are far more likely to draw out excitement for bigger dividends than they are to tease some ridiculously elaborate plot twist that requires a 50-page thesis to explain? After all, this is Warner Brothers. They're not in the business of convoluted comic-book storytelling, they're in the business of... well, business.

It's an interesting theory, but don't expect it to be accurate.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Claimh Solais on October 22, 2015, 09:59:35 AM
If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.

Yeah, this is a very good argument, too. It was already done on a lesser level with Metal Gear Solid 2. The fanbase was pretty pissed about not being able to play as Snake the whole game.

In this case, though, it's even worse, because Deathstroke and Batman are COMPLETELY different characters.

You do realize that, nowadays, trailers are far more likely to draw out excitement for bigger dividends than they are to tease some ridiculously elaborate plot twist that requires a 50-page thesis to explain? After all, this is Warner Brothers. They're not in the business of convoluted comic-book storytelling, they're in the business of... well, business.

It's an interesting theory, but don't expect it to be accurate.

The biggest problem with this plot twist is that they're trying to tie it in with Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. Nolan's trilogy is based solely in realism. It's why we got weird-mercenary-Tom-Hardy Bane. Suddenly making Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice take place in the same universe makes it all lack sense.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 22, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
Two other points:

1) Aren't they in talks with Ben Affleck to have him write, direct, and star in a solo Batman movie? Unless that's all a smokescreen and it's really a Deathstorke movie which seems silly.

2) If I, as a member of the general public who didn't know anything about the DC Comic universe bought a ticket and went in to see a movie that was marketed to me as Batman versus Superman, saw all the trailers and expected Ben Affleck to be Batman (Bruce Wayne Batman) only to have a twist later in the movie that he was never the real Batman at all, I'd be pretty annoyed.

1.) Could be misleading...maybe...I personally like the idea of having a Batman Vs. Superman movie with it not really being the original counterparts in the DC Universe. That leaves a film that still has recognizable characters to the causal movie goers, and a little fan service to the more hardcore comic fans. I am with them not "crossing the streams" with recasts. If it's early enough (ahem, Warmachine, Captain America, etc.) I can deal with it. But I hate that sh*t.  It reminds me when they re-casted Kane Hodder from Freddy Vs. Jason. Imagine how awesome that movie could have been with Kane Hodder in that role!

2.) I dunno if I totally buy that argument. I look at the end of Days of Future past and the Apocalypse teaser, I mean come on who other than hardcore comic and X fans who knew half the characters were in that movie hell I could even go back to X3..? I also look at the Thanos reveals and teaser's in the Marvel movies, same logic. Finally, Guardians of the Galaxy another basically unknown cast of characters. Let's be real unless you follow comics or that series specifically, barely anyone knew them at all and now their household names. I could go on with Ant Man, Falcon, and a whole other list of B and C characters that Marvel has brought to the mainstream.

3.) On a side note, DC knows how to make animated movies, don't know why they can't get their act together for the live action stuff. Also, am I the only one who had the idea of Michael Keaton reprising Batman for one of the animated movies? Seems like money on the table if you ask me...
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: KaZudra on October 23, 2015, 12:23:58 AM
1.) Could be misleading...maybe...I personally like the idea of having a Batman Vs. Superman movie with it not really being the original counterparts in the DC Universe. That leaves a film that still has recognizable characters to the causal movie goers, and a little fan service to the more hardcore comic fans. I am with them not "crossing the streams" with recasts. If it's early enough (ahem, Warmachine, Captain America, etc.) I can deal with it. But I hate that sh*t.  It reminds me when they re-casted Kane Hodder from Freddy Vs. Jason. Imagine how awesome that movie could have been with Kane Hodder in that role!

2.) I dunno if I totally buy that argument. I look at the end of Days of Future past and the Apocalypse teaser, I mean come on who other than hardcore comic and X fans who knew half the characters were in that movie hell I could even go back to X3..? I also look at the Thanos reveals and teaser's in the Marvel movies, same logic. Finally, Guardians of the Galaxy another basically unknown cast of characters. Let's be real unless you follow comics or that series specifically, barely anyone knew them at all and now their household names. I could go on with Ant Man, Falcon, and a whole other list of B and C characters that Marvel has brought to the mainstream.

3.) On a side note, DC knows how to make animated movies, don't know why they can't get their act together for the live action stuff. Also, am I the only one who had the idea of Michael Keaton reprising Batman for one of the animated movies? Seems like money on the table if you ask me...
DC animation is arguably better than Marvel's live action stuff
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on October 23, 2015, 09:39:19 AM
DC animation is arguably better than Marvel's live action stuff

Yes if I was a DC Exec, if I would basically get the writers from the various animated movies have them pen a script and basically say "do that" except live action.

Especially, I believe DC has one advantage over Marvel is that I believe they shouldn't be doing introductory movies for established characters that are known worldwide, I mean like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash,etc.

Certain characters I think, have over 50 years of comics, tv shows, movie etc and are known all over the world. why waste a origins movie? If anything those kind of things should be explained in the Animated context. The hardcore fans already follow the comics, shows, etc.

Look at Spiderman, if I see another origins story I'm gonna puke. Even though I am happy Marvel has the rights to Spidey, it's like ok we get it even with all the iterations in the films, we know how he became Spiderman, why with Uncle Ben, we know Peter Parker. We don't need ANOTHER retelling of his origins even if he may be in high-school in Civil War.

Certain things should just be a given...it's like hell let's make a Wolverine movie and and spend the entire movie to go through his origins. Why? He is known worldwide and a iconic character...sigh

End rant. 
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on October 23, 2015, 10:05:56 PM
I agree with darkmanx. DC should really just focus on churning out animated films and give the live action movie slice to Marvel. They are already being picked upon as Marvel copy cats after the announcement of this film.

Amen with Spidey. I didn't watch any of those origin movies since I already know the plot. Why oh why do they keep on producing those films?
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on December 03, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro)

Sooo, I'm going to watch it.

Opinions?

I must say, I am surprised at Doomsday even though it was kinda hinted at because of the whole New 52 thing. I am kinda bummed because I would rather get a Death of Superman movie where that plot is made forefront. The Death of Superman definitely deserves it's own movie.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on December 03, 2015, 08:24:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro)

Sooo, I'm going to watch it.

Opinions?

I must say, I am surprised at Doomsday even though it was kinda hinted at because of the whole New 52 thing. I am kinda bummed because I would rather get a Death of Superman movie where that plot is made forefront. The Death of Superman definitely deserves it's own movie.

It's likely to get an adaptation as a formal Justice League film, rather than a Superman stand alone.

Remember, the DoS comic had pretty much the entire current Justice League at that time as the first responders to Doomsday's rampage, and Superman arrived as a Hope Spot when things looked bleakest for them.

And Doomsday just gets stronger and more invincible with each defeat in the comics, so it's not improbable that just because Batman + WW + Supes beat him in this film that they'd be likely to repeat the feat a second time if Doomsday came back, possibly as the result of machinations of Darkseid.

Maybe his second appearance will pit him against an entire fully-rostered Justice League, and Superman saves everyone else at the cost of being the only JLA casualty.

Just saying. Death of Superman is too iconic a story not to adapt (and the overall darkness of the story fits in well with the tone of the DCMU) and it would be fairly easy to bring it in later. Even easier than here, actually.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: zangetsu468 on December 03, 2015, 10:05:53 PM
The teaser was nice. Assuming this will be based on the comic/ hardbacks with the same BM/SM Logo I've seen floating around in previous years.
Given it was rumoured for release about a decade back it's nice to see it finally executed.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Inccubus on December 05, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
OK. Just want to point out.

Batman is not the real Bruce Wayne theory.
There have been plenty of comments from plenty of people involved in the movie and some not involved in the movie that this is not the case.

This movie is heavily influenced by tDKR.
Not the case at. There is visual influence in Batman's costume and that is pretty much it.
Zack Snyder said at Comicon that they created a completely original story.

Personally the new trailer killed any hype I had for this at all.
The honest teasers video hit the nail on the head.
This is DC playing catch up with Marvel instead of trying to make a good comic book movie.
They marketed this movie to us as Batman V Superman, but it is much more Dawn of Justice.
I don't like the change in Doomsday's origin or his powers.
I don't like Jesse Eisenburg as Lex Luthor. His performance seems more like Jim-Carry-Riddler/Tommy-Lee-Jones-Twoface.
Just once I'd like to see a serious Luthor instead of everyone always trying to be Gene Hackman. (Kevin Spacey aside since that was the point of his role.)
I really don't like Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, either.
She's way too skinny and doesn't even remotely look Greek.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: crisis on December 05, 2015, 11:48:13 AM
while i agree that this trailer revealed way too much (even tho i already knew doomsday was gonna be the villain, from a leaked plot synopsis i read a while back), ppl that are saying "am not gonna watch this anymore" based off the trailer alone are full of it  :rollseyes:

& Inccubus come on dude, you expected WW to be built like a body builder? she looks fine
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2F1404161899000-WONDER-WOMAN-36-COMICS-JY-665--65511024_zpsgnzvsqod.jpg&hash=fd7f437fec17db7eb429e01d212bd40e)



Wb was gonna do the death of superman storyline in the 90s. have you guys never heard of the documentary "the death of superman lives: what happened?" look it up. they were actually going to make THIS

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickeringmyth.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FSuperman-Lives-1.jpg&hash=f4f86d17d31ad492e308e02b90309097)

people are just way too critical these days
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on December 05, 2015, 05:20:27 PM
I have to agree about WW. She looks great.

I wasn't too thrilled about the casting at first for this movie, but it's looking pretty solid.

I wouldn't be too worried about Jessie Eisenberg only because he is a very talented actor. I don't know about you guys, but usually whatever role he gets people are like"huh?"

Then he usually knocks it out of the park. People are looking too much into Lex's charade that is shown in the trailer.

I guess if I had a only gripe, I thought this movie was suppose to be the sequel to Man of Steel, then it looked to turn into a Batman story, and now a prequel to Justice League.

I am really worried about the movie trying to introduce soooo many major characters in one movie for Justice League with the majority of characters being the first time they will be seen in the DC Cinematic Universe. (See what I did there.)

I really hope they succeed though. DC movies don't get enough credit i.e Constantine, Jonah Hex, Watchmen.. etc
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on December 05, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
I really hope they succeed though. DC movies don't get enough credit i.e Constantine, Jonah Hex, Watchmen.. etc

People know DC animated films > DC live action films.

Gal Godot looks fine. I first was against her casting but I think I like her now.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on December 06, 2015, 08:49:29 AM
Pretty much agree with everything Inccubus has stated. In fact I had a Red Alert in the back of my mind after reading the title "Batman Versus Superman". There is a reason why superheros exist--Because of supervillains or crime in general. I don't like it when people write about heroes fighting other heroes just for the sake of the age-old debate of "my hero's better then yours". It's stupid and childish.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on December 11, 2015, 05:16:39 PM
I still want Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman, but it'll never happen.

And people who boycott a film over a trailer are like people who swear off books from a general description someone gave them.

"Lord of the Rings is the epic tale involving some starving friends on a long journey."

OH MY GOD THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE I'LL NEVER READ IT.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on December 11, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
I still want Lucy Lawless as Wonder Woman, but it'll never happen.

And people who boycott a film over a trailer are like people who swear off books from a general description someone gave them.

"Lord of the Rings is the epic tale involving some starving friends on a long journey."

OH MY GOD THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE I'LL NEVER READ IT.

Xena as WW, maybe back in the day but not now. She's in Ash Vs the Evil Dead though. Besides, I think everyone would see Xena the whole time not WW.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: zangetsu468 on December 11, 2015, 05:54:13 PM
WW looks great, Nicholas Cage also looks great!
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on March 26, 2016, 01:38:49 PM
Who saw the movie?

I thought it was great!

I was surprised how well the director threw in so much material in an already stuffed movie and made it fit.

Oh yeah, Batfflick's Bat is probably the best version of Batman I've seen on film.

I also liked the fact that Superman had a little more edge this time, but they made sure to give him some Christopher Reeve's flair this time around.

WW definitely brought it.

Lex Jr. was awesome as well.

Definitely a day 1 purchase on DVD/Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Neobelmont on March 27, 2016, 02:53:10 AM
Who saw the movie?

I thought it was great!

I was surprised how well the director threw in so much material in an already stuffed movie and made it fit.

Oh yeah, Batfflick's Bat is probably the best version of Batman I've seen on film.

I also liked the fact that Superman had a little more edge this time, but they made sure to give him some Christopher Reeve's flair this time around.

WW definitely brought it.

Lex Jr. was awesome as well.

Definitely a day 1 purchase on DVD/Blu-Ray.

With out spoilers or anything it was good I knew the critics were wrong but dang it's like this time they were hitting there faces with a rusty iron nail attached to a plank of wood.

I'm tired now for positives and negatives but I'll at least say this, if you're on the fence about seeing this don't be, make your own judgement and see it. I don't think you'll be disappointed but at the same time don't have super high expectations and think it's going to be the end all be all of superhero movies, heck, at times I find it to be beneficial to not listen to "professional" reviews and not be manipulated or dissuaded into watching a movie that I from what I watched, has a lot of ideas and love put into it. 
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 27, 2016, 03:19:17 AM
Despite being in over half the film, I really feel like Superman is just a macguffin in the film. No two bones about it, this is ENTIRELY Batman's show.

Fortunately, Batman is FINALLY awesome enough to carry a whole film himself whereas the Nolan films were carried mostly by their villains. Batman is finally free to make his own arguments rather than form a rebuttal to someone else's.

Unfortunately, despite this being the most true-to-the-source take on Batman yet, I really can't say this is a great film. It's dark, plodding, and depressing, with very little hope to even out the bleakness, which, while a great commentary on our modern society, does not a compelling film make. They say that the night is darkest just before the dawn, but this movie is pretty fucking dark so the resulting dawn is going to have to be pretty amazing if DC wants to sell me on their ensemble Justice League film.

After the morose grimdark of this film and the far-more serious-than-usual upcoming Captain America: Civil War, Suicide Squad is going to be a welcome slice of mood whiplash.

If you have kids, don't take them.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on March 28, 2016, 12:27:11 AM
Interesting reviews...
I'll just wait for it to come out on TV.  Movie tickets are too damn pricey nowadays.  >:(
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 28, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
Oh hey there's going to be an R-rated 3 hour unabridged Director's Cut released on Blu Ray guys.
So look forward to that.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on March 28, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
Despite being in over half the film, I really feel like Superman is just a macguffin in the film. No two bones about it, this is ENTIRELY Batman's show.

Fortunately, Batman is FINALLY awesome enough to carry a whole film himself whereas the Nolan films were carried mostly by their villains. Batman is finally free to make his own arguments rather than form a rebuttal to someone else's.

Unfortunately, despite this being the most true-to-the-source take on Batman yet, I really can't say this is a great film. It's dark, plodding, and depressing, with very little hope to even out the bleakness, which, while a great commentary on our modern society, does not a compelling film make. They say that the night is darkest just before the dawn, but this movie is pretty fucking dark so the resulting dawn is going to have to be pretty amazing if DC wants to sell me on their ensemble Justice League film.

After the morose grimdark of this film and the far-more serious-than-usual upcoming Captain America: Civil War, Suicide Squad is going to be a welcome slice of mood whiplash.

If you have kids, don't take them.

I for one like the tone of the film. I hate to say "dark" while it does have dark moments, but just look at the origins of fairytales and they are told to kids all the time. I think the movie was intelligently written for an adult audience not specifically for kids. I like having the yang to the yin of the campy MCU. Not to say Marvel can't write a mature, intelligently written movie (I LOVE The Winter Solider), but if you look at other movies like (Age of Ultron) some of the dialogue can be somewhat cringe worthy. But they are fun movies none the less and that can (and are) geared more for families and kids.

By the way, Lego Batman looks AWESOME.

Interesting reviews...
I'll just wait for it to come out on TV.  Movie tickets are too damn pricey nowadays.  >:(

This is true. You should start looking at matinee hours. I went to an 11am showing on a Saturday for six bucks. (And it was packed.lol)
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on March 28, 2016, 01:41:27 PM
Well, only you can really know what you like, Darkman, but it was simply too moody for me.
It felt like "Watchmen featuring the Justice League".

And I liked Watchmen (especially the Director's cut). I think the Director's cut of Watchmen is probably the best comic to film adaptation out there. But it was bleak because the source was bleak.

Few I know would call Superman or Wonder Woman  "bleak". They are serious, obviously, and have plenty of dark moments. But Superman is meant to be an ideal of hope, a symbol of inspiration to all.

And so far, the DC cinematic universe hasn't done a good job of portraying this. This Superman has not been inspiring. He's been moody, angry, and fearful in a way Superman shouldn't be. This has been done to make him relatable but Superman is an Icon, not a man. He's not meant to be relatable. Trying to make him something he's not meant to be greatly cheapens him. Batman is meant to be relatable. He is a man who faces realistic traumas and reacts by overcoming all challenges by cunning, planning, drive, and hard work. Wonder Woman too is meant to be relatable in her own way -- but NOT Superman.

Glad you enjoyed it though.
I can appreciate it, but I can't say as I "like" it.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on March 28, 2016, 06:56:00 PM
Well, only you can really know what you like, Darkman, but it was simply too moody for me.
It felt like "Watchmen featuring the Justice League".

And I liked Watchmen (especially the Director's cut). I think the Director's cut of Watchmen is probably the best comic to film adaptation out there. But it was bleak because the source was bleak.

Few I know would call Superman or Wonder Woman  "bleak". They are serious, obviously, and have plenty of dark moments. But Superman is meant to be an ideal of hope, a symbol of inspiration to all.

And so far, the DC cinematic universe hasn't done a good job of portraying this. This Superman has not been inspiring. He's been moody, angry, and fearful in a way Superman shouldn't be. This has been done to make him relatable but Superman is an Icon, not a man. He's not meant to be relatable. Trying to make him something he's not meant to be greatly cheapens him. Batman is meant to be relatable. He is a man who faces realistic traumas and reacts by overcoming all challenges by cunning, planning, drive, and hard work. Wonder Woman too is meant to be relatable in her own way -- but NOT Superman.

Glad you enjoyed it though.
I can appreciate it, but I can't say as I "like" it.

Yeah, I definitely see your point of view. I too raised an eyebrow
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among other things. Also for the record, I am a Christopher Reeve Superman all the way. There is no other Superman in my book. (Even though I also liked Dean Cain which was great for TV)But for this film incarnation of Superman, people tend get all about him being the Icon and all but forget a very important fact that I think Man of Steel has got right about Superman and that he is an alien on a foreign planet. I think him being unrelatable other than the fact while looking human is portrayed very well.

Oh yeah, Christopher Reeve would not of been able to walk around in NY with a Superman shirt on unnoticed. Sorry Henry, you aren't that big yet.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Belmontoya on April 01, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
Well... The Deadpool times aren't working out for our babysitter situation so the wife and I are sort of being forced to go see bvs.

I fucking love batman. But man, I have a bad feeling that it's not worth the money of a night out. This movie feels more like a redbox to me.

I hope the reviews and my gut are wrong!

Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on April 01, 2016, 01:34:17 PM
Well... The Deadpool times aren't working out for our babysitter situation so the wife and I are sort of being forced to go see bvs.

I fucking love batman. But man, I have a bad feeling that it's not worth the money of a night out. This movie feels more like a redbox to me.

I hope the reviews and my gut are wrong!

If nothing else, Ben Affleck utterly SELLS the classic Frank Miller Dark Knight Returns version of Batman, and Jeremy Irons is the best Alfred yet.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Belmontoya on April 01, 2016, 01:49:25 PM
They shoulda had Chloe grace moretz as robin.

Why tons of characters yet no robin?
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: KaZudra on April 01, 2016, 05:58:42 PM
They shoulda had Chloe grace moretz as robin.

Why tons of characters yet no robin?
Joke's on you HAHAHAHAHAHA!
(It'll be cool if the Suicide Squad Joker was Robin, but I doubt the Live action DC guys are that clever)
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on April 01, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
They shoulda had Chloe grace moretz as robin.

Why tons of characters yet no robin?

Clearly Carrie Kelly and Stephanie Brown have yet to be recruited as Robin.

But it looks like Jason Todd has bitten it at Joker's hands if that spraypainted suit Batman keeps on display wasn't one of his own.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Belmontoya on April 01, 2016, 08:45:57 PM
Well just got back from the theater.

I give it a 6.5/10

People are being way too overly critical of it. It was good, not great.

But some people are acting like it was horrible. It was in no way deserving of a 29% critic score on rotten tomatoes. It should be in the 50-60% range at least.

The music was awesome!

It was better than the last super hero movie I saw, which was Ant Man.



Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Super Waffle on April 02, 2016, 07:12:08 PM
more like Murder Man vs. Captain Hypocrite: Dawn of Death
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: darkmanx_429 on April 03, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
On a side note, who saw the preview of the animated version of The Killing Joke? Looks AWESOME.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: zangetsu468 on April 25, 2016, 07:40:20 PM
After seeing some reviews for this film I've decided not to bother with it.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on April 25, 2016, 10:07:09 PM
After seeing some reviews for this film I've decided not to bother with it.

That's a shame as I have just rewatched it and come away enjoying it SIGNIFICANTLY MORE the second time around.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: zangetsu468 on April 25, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
That's a shame as I have just rewatched it and come away enjoying it SIGNIFICANTLY MORE the second time around.

I often think that these days everything is over-hyped and nothing will ever exceed a critical reviewer's expectations.

I kind of miss the simplicity of the 80's and 90's Super Hero films. Not that critical reviews are bad in philosophy, but I think that reviews are essentially making or breaking certain forms of media these days, particularly since video/ dvd libraries are no longer a thing.

Specifically with Super Hero films I don't believe that this generation is helping things either. It's almost as if they're trying to cram in as many movies as possible end-to-end with things such as Xmen, Avengers and now DC. No doubt that regardless of how successful these films are at engaging a wide audience or being profitable blockbusters, DC has realised that Marvel has been getting most of that pie, until now.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: KaZudra on April 26, 2016, 12:16:16 AM
I don't understand why DC chose Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan for these films. The result is great action sequences, but the plot ultimately suffers. Sure, the movies all look cool, but any good movie isn't something watched, it's experienced.
The dialogue, while unique in the Dark Knight, it got old rather fast in Dark Knight Rises, and still having to bear the overly important "symbolic" monologuing, it only worked for Alfred IMHO and everyone else doing this is just forced.

The main issue with this movie in particular is that it did not deliver to the hype, not only that it really makes inconsistencies with already long established characters. Batman AND Superman do NOT kill, Hell, DC's morality for their Heroes has a super double standard, example being that Green Arrow once killed a Villian who just got done wiping half of a city's population, and HE goes to jail for it, it's that extreme.

One question in being, why the hell is Lex Luthor in this if they didn't get the basics of character right? Lex is rather complex, being level headed and charismatic, his evil is usually on his own agenda and he has done his fair share of good to add to his deceiving nature, he's really only a villain because of his beef with superman. He is NOT Jesse Eisenberg's Joker nor Jesse Eisenberg's Jim Carry Riddler, FFS Villains are the best thing DC has going for it, often written better than the Heroes (when they are good that is).

Another major retarded thing is trying to merge all of these stories that would have better off standalone. Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns were great, but trying to cram them into a single story is just stupid.

Dark Knight Returns segments are rather dumb, why not just write the movie in mind that shit has happened? The Animated movies are great because it doesn't cram re-establishment down your throats, It would have been nice to have an established Superman and an re-re-re-re-re-re-established Batman already know each other. The time frame of this movie is bonkers, shit doesn't escalate that fast especially when you're trying to already establish things, better way of putting it is that you cannot checkmate after the first Knight has moved, all the pieces have to be in place first before the move can be logically done.

Death of Superman segments are a clear example of Never learning shit from others' failures. When Spiderman 3 bombed it should have been a clear indicator that lights should go off saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't try cramming so much shit in a movie at once" guess what, NOPE! Let's "kill" off superman with Superboy Doomsday in the very next movie BUT IT'S OKAY!, We've made it more than obvious that a sequel is planned AND best of all, We're making it blatantly obvious that Superman isn't dead.

In short, Batman vs. Superman is just every other comic book movie, filled with the same old shit you've seen in previous movies, great action though, but more effort is put on making a sequel rather than actually making this shit worth a sequel in the first place.

Why is it so hard to make a Comic book movie a standalone thing? We know there are about 5 sequels a year, why not just make this worth our time rather than wasting it and putting up a teaser of what you may thing will be great.... but does the exact same shit? Honestly, I'm done with comic book movies. Some are still good, but it's really a dime a dozen nowadays.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: X on April 26, 2016, 08:55:48 AM
@KaZudra

You've said a mouthful there and I agree with it. And like Zangetsu I also miss the simplicity of the 80s and 90's super hero movies. With all they crammed into Batman vs Superman it suffers from the same problems that Mortal Kombat: Annihilation suffers from -far too much in one movie at once. I don't think WB had any real plan when making the film. They simply want to play catch-up to the Marvel films, and that is a rather disastrous way of thinking. Everything nowadays is about rushing. Rushing to where? And to what end? Nobody wants to take their time anymore in order to flesh out a truly good story. You've mentioned about great action sequences but not a good story. It's interesting to note that J.J. Abrams has the same problem. He knows how to deliver great action sequences that will keep you engaged. But after you've seen his films then you begin to mull over what you've seen and the issues start to become apparent. Then, after a second viewing, the issues you've thought about the first time are blatantly apparent. People in the film industry need to slow the f@#k down! They need to take their time to really think about what kind of story they want to tell, do their research so less mistakes are made, and rather then focus on a money-grab, deliver a product that will ultimately pay for itself for years to come.
Title: Re: Batman Vs. Superman Official
Post by: AlexCalvo on April 26, 2016, 02:46:36 PM
The problem with this movie is that it was not so much a movie, as a collection of sub-plots...  This was the pilot episode to the DCEU, and it just feels wholly incomplete.  At least half of the arguments/ideas introduced don't even come close to being reconciled by the end of the movie.  This is everything people hated on Iron Man 2 for x 1000.  It is obvious that this was a rush job so that WB can start making that Marvel Studios money.  It was enjoyable to a fan of the genre, but it's just such a transparent rush job.  The worst sin in the movie is probably when it makes the audience stop to watch the teasers for 3 upcoming DCEU movies, those who have seen the movie know exactly what I am talking about.  And when did Batman get the ability to see(or more accurately dream) the future? 5/10.