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Title: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Jazz Paladin Productions on August 11, 2020, 09:47:13 AM
So, what games did you think you would hate but end up liking?

For me, the best example I can serve up is Metroid Prime. I was super pissed when I heard they were transitioning from 2D to a first-person shooter. Firstly because I absolutely hate first person shooters, secondly why not do 3rd person if doing 3D, and 3rdly because I thought it would lose its vibe as an exploration based game.

Boy was I wrong...it is still one of my top 5 games, and I am playing through it again now. Especially once they added the Wii Remote aiming for the Wii / Wii U versions, it takes on a whole new level of immersion. They totally somehow nailed the Metroid vibe, and I thought it would be impossible for FPS...

Just got a few of the OST's on order yesterday too, loved the music
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: DraculaCronqvist on August 11, 2020, 12:32:53 PM
Good question!

Now, this was waaaay back when, but a game that surprised me a lot was "Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines". Before I bought this game, I was kind of a coward, easily intimidated by extreme violence. However, my affinity for vampires had always been very strong and so, after a lot of inner debating with myself, I chose to buy the game. Right from the first minute, it sucked me in with its rich atmosphere and good dialogue and characters, so my fear gradually subsided. I was a little frightened by the Blood-enemy in the museum, but my real first taste of apprehension came, like with so many other players, at the Oceanside Hotel. Although no real violence happened there, the level scared me deeply, but I managed to persevere and actually got quite a kick out of it afterwards. Even scarier to me was later the Zombie-level in Downtown, because back then, I had an enormous fear of zombies, no matter how detailed or not they were. Ultimately, it ended up becoming one of my favourite games, one I still return to now and then. It also helped me shed pretty much every fear in gaming I ever had.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: X on August 11, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
The Metroid Prime series was one of them. The other was Castlevania64/LoD. It was around the time of the PS1 and N64 that many of our beloved franchise' were making the transition over to 3D. I wasn't on board with the idea at the time. And it would be some time until I let that go. I'm glad I did in the long-run.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Jazz Paladin Productions on August 11, 2020, 09:13:44 PM
I’ll be bold and add FF7 to the list. The first time I saw pics of the game in a magazine showing off those butt ugly block figures, I felt like puking. Especially in contrast to the demo pics of FF VI shown off for the N64, which looked very polished and sophisticated. 

Granted, even though I ended up liking FF 7 , it has paled and diminished in my regard over the years.  I still play SOTN and Wild Arms and Metroid Prime far more.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: piscesdreams on August 12, 2020, 08:29:26 AM
Dark Souls.  All I ever heard was absurdly difficult they were and I don't have much free time to play games so I figured it'd be a waste of time.  My buddy got me to try Dark Souls 3 when it released and as it turns out, once you learn the mechanics they're not as bad as everyone says they are for the most part.  The level/world design (especially Dark Souls 3) ended up being some master class work.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Jazz Paladin Productions on August 12, 2020, 09:59:39 AM
Dark Souls.  All I ever heard was absurdly difficult they were and I don't have much free time to play games so I figured it'd be a waste of time.  My buddy got me to try Dark Souls 3 when it released and as it turns out, once you learn the mechanics they're not as bad as everyone says they are for the most part.  The level/world design (especially Dark Souls 3) ended up being some master class work.

That's the exact reason I haven't tried Bloodborne
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: piscesdreams on August 12, 2020, 10:29:29 AM
That's the exact reason I haven't tried Bloodborne

Bloodborne is definitely a much harder game than any of the Dark Souls games, in my opinion.  If you don't mind cheating though and just want the experience, PS4 Save Wizard has the ability to modify the save file to give you a ton of Blood Echoes to level up to OP status right off the bat.  It's a paid software though, but works great.  https://www.savewizard.net/ (https://www.savewizard.net/)
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Flame on August 13, 2020, 02:32:03 PM
Ironically, part of the reason i dislike Dark Souls 3 is the same reason I initially disliked 1 back when a friend made me try it.

I basically did the undead asylum. and it felt very heavy and clunky, so initially I wrote it off and said 'interesting but whatever. too clunky feeling"

eventually when Dark Souls 2 was being hyped, I started it, but decided to go back and play 1 first, and fell in love with it's clunkyness. because everything followed the "rule of clunk", even the enemies.

Now, I played and liked Bloodborne. I have my problems with it, but I enjoyed it. Because it always put the player on a somewhat equal footing with enemies. enemies were quick, but so were you.

Which is my problem with Dark Souls 3. it's basically taking Bloodborne, but sticking Dark Souls combat on top. so it feels like a halfassed mishmash of both. Enemies are often way quicker than you, but all you can do is roll. There's no poise, so heavy armor is practically useless, and everything is too fast for many slow weapons. You will basically *always* have a better time if you go medium-light armor and use a fast weapon.

At the same time, having played the network test, there was no equip burden there, which leads me to believe even more that they wanted to apply bloodborne ideas to the game but pussied out.

Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: piscesdreams on August 15, 2020, 09:19:08 AM
My first foray with the Soulsborne games actually Bloodborne of all things. At the time, I didn't "get" the games and how they were expected to be played. It wasn't until I played Dark Souls 3, then Dark Souls 2 that I returned to Bloodborne.  What's interesting to me is that I agree with you about the unbalanced enemy speeds in Dark Souls 3, but for some reason that game is much easier to me than Dark Souls 1 and I'm not able to put my finger on why I feel that way.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: zangetsu468 on August 29, 2020, 05:05:50 AM
Granstream Saga, FFVII(had never played a turn based rpg properly, before), Zelda OOT, Metroid Fusion, Children of Mana(didn’t love it but it was addictive), OG Paper Mario, Fire Emblem Awakening(had never played an FE prior to this).

They all turned out to be solid games.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Bloo on August 29, 2020, 08:17:59 AM
playing through final fantasy 6 right now, and i've fallen in love
same thing happened with chrono trigger

like all of a sudden i like jrpgs now?
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: VladOfWallachia on August 31, 2020, 06:15:07 AM
Mario 3D World.

I blame the Nintendo 3Ds for this. When I first got to try that console, I turned on the 3D effect and almost immediately I felt like the effect was hurting my eyes and making me feel dizzy... I've tried the 3D feature other times, and the result is always the same. I can't stand the 3D feature of the 3Ds. When Mario 3D Land launched, I read in the reviews that the game is structured around the 3D effect, so the idea of having to use that feature to enjoy the game turned me off from ever bothering to play it.

Fast forward to the WiiU. When I saw Mario 3D World for the first time, I was not only disappointed that it wasn't a traditional 3D Mario game, like 64/Galaxy etc., but I was also disappointed that it was in the same style of the 3DS game. For this reason, I did not bother to play it at launch, and did not try it until many years later when it was priced at $20 new.

One day I was bored and particularly in the mood for a Mario game, so I decided to drop the $20 and finally try 3D World. I'm really happy that I gave this game a chance, because the experience left a huge impression on me. I think the game is amazing, for so many different reasons. Absolutely fantastic. I have since gone back to play 3D Land (of course, with the 3D feature disabled) and realized I was missing out on some amazing games.

Unfortunately, my WiiU and all of my games were stolen, so I haven't been able to play it since. I am anxiously awaiting a Switch port. Nothing official has been announced yet, but it makes all the business sense in the world that they will eventually port it, and I'll be there on launch to experience it again.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: X on August 31, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
I've seen quite a few Mario Switch games available so, who knows, Mario 3D World could be around the corner. As for me, I'm awaiting Metroid Prime 4's release.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: VladOfWallachia on August 31, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
I've seen quite a few Mario Switch games available so, who knows, Mario 3D World could be around the corner. As for me, I'm awaiting Metroid Prime 4's release.

The rumors I've heard is that Nintendo planned to re-release several Mario games, including 3D World, for the 35th anniversary of the franchise. But I've also heard that Covid has had a really negative impact on Nintendo, heavily slowing down all of their projects.

Maybe Metroid 4 isn't as impacted, since its being developed in Austin, TX. 
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 01, 2020, 07:32:02 PM
Mario 3D World.

I blame the Nintendo 3Ds for this. When I first got to try that console, I turned on the 3D effect and almost immediately I felt like the effect was hurting my eyes and making me feel dizzy... I've tried the 3D feature other times, and the result is always the same. I can't stand the 3D feature of the 3Ds. When Mario 3D Land launched, I read in the reviews that the game is structured around the 3D effect, so the idea of having to use that feature to enjoy the game turned me off from ever bothering to play it.


I'm assuming for the 3ds you're referring to 3d Land, not 3d World and I disagree.
I bring this up because 3d Land is a game I initially believed would be average, but turned out to be one of the best 3d platformers I've ever played and it slightly edges over 3d World for me (and yes I've played through 3d World with 4 players - at its best).

The idea that you need the 3d feature on to play 3d Land is false. Yes there are segments which are made easier by the 3d effect, however, these are few and far between and it is certainly not require for 95% of the game. (As a gamer who played 3ds extensively, I never left the 3d effect on for more than 30 mins on the lowest setting and I personally wouldn't recommend anyone to do this.) If anything 3d World, which boasted more complex levels, I could've benefited from 3d glasses on specific levels where you're on a fast-moving platform and it can be difficult to judge the depth perception when you need to make certain jumps (similar to Axo-Battle Toads, but not as brutal in difficulty).

Content-wise, 3dL had 8 worlds, special stages, more bite-size levels which were conducive to a 1 player experience and a much more satisfying final boss battle. 3dW was more complex, more graphically nice, had the cat mechanic which was interesting but was only great with 4 people, had too many racing/ on-rails segments, only had 7 worlds and a lame final boss battle which killed the rest of the game's momentum imho. It also had the golden 'cheat' Tanooki leaf, which there should've been an option to turn-off, or simply give the player the P-Wing on rare occasions like SMB3 did.

For me personally, SMB3 as a kid, was my favourite Mario game of all time (technically All-Stars, but if I had to choose one game it would be the All-Stars version of SMB3). This basically remained unchanged, although New SMB was a rival contender for some time, but 3DL took it and for the few 3D Mario's I've completed, it still holds the torch which is yet to be passed.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: VladOfWallachia on September 02, 2020, 05:09:39 AM
I'm assuming for the 3ds you're referring to 3d Land, not 3d World and I disagree.
I bring this up because 3d Land is a game I initially believed would be average, but turned out to be one of the best 3d platformers I've ever played and it slightly edges over 3d World for me (and yes I've played through 3d World with 4 players - at its best).

The idea that you need the 3d feature on to play 3d Land is false. Yes there are segments which are made easier by the 3d effect, however, these are few and far between and it is certainly not require for 95% of the game. (As a gamer who played 3ds extensively, I never left the 3d effect on for more than 30 mins on the lowest setting and I personally wouldn't recommend anyone to do this.) If anything 3d World, which boasted more complex levels, I could've benefited from 3d glasses on specific levels where you're on a fast-moving platform and it can be difficult to judge the depth perception when you need to make certain jumps (similar to Axo-Battle Toads, but not as brutal in difficulty).

Content-wise, 3dL had 8 worlds, special stages, more bite-size levels which were conducive to a 1 player experience and a much more satisfying final boss battle. 3dW was more complex, more graphically nice, had the cat mechanic which was interesting but was only great with 4 people, had too many racing/ on-rails segments, only had 7 worlds and a lame final boss battle which killed the rest of the game's momentum imho. It also had the golden 'cheat' Tanooki leaf, which there should've been an option to turn-off, or simply give the player the P-Wing on rare occasions like SMB3 did.

For me personally, SMB3 as a kid, was my favourite Mario game of all time (technically All-Stars, but if I had to choose one game it would be the All-Stars version of SMB3). This basically remained unchanged, although New SMB was a rival contender for some time, but 3DL took it and for the few 3D Mario's I've completed, it still holds the torch which is yet to be passed.

Yeah, I agree that 3D Land doesn't need the 3D effect to be enjoyed, but early on I read the contrary from several people online, giving me a false impression of the game. I regret ever listening to them because I LOVED 3D Land after finally playing it.

As far as which of the two 3D games I prefer, I do slightly prefer 3D World simply because I can use a proper gamepad and play on a big screen, but purely from a game design standpoint, I feel like they are really close to each other.

As for SMB3, yes, I am part of the Mario 3 = GOAT Mario gang. Below is a picture of one of the walls in my game development office!
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Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: piscesdreams on September 03, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
Funny that Nintendo announced this today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPAQA_P_RQY&t=0s&ab_channel=Nintendo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPAQA_P_RQY&t=0s&ab_channel=Nintendo)
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: VladOfWallachia on September 03, 2020, 09:19:36 AM
Funny that Nintendo announced this today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPAQA_P_RQY&t=0s&ab_channel=Nintendo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPAQA_P_RQY&t=0s&ab_channel=Nintendo)

Yessss!
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: X on September 03, 2020, 09:40:29 AM
Well there's your answer. Called it right?  :D
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Jazz Paladin Productions on September 03, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
The rumors I've heard is that Nintendo planned to re-release several Mario games, including 3D World, for the 35th anniversary of the franchise. But I've also heard that Covid has had a really negative impact on Nintendo, heavily slowing down all of their projects.

Maybe Metroid 4 isn't as impacted, since its being developed in Austin, TX.

Metroid Prime 4 is quite a ways off, they cancelled the game the previous company was developing over the past few years, and Retro is just now starting from scratch--expect at least 1 year, but general speculation from gaming mags/sites says 2-3 years :(
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: Jazz Paladin Productions on September 03, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
Mario 3D World.

 
3D world is just so meh for me. Made it to the last "non-hidden" level 6 years ago when I still lived in the States, and just pulled the Wii U out again to play a few weeks ago, and beat the game, and am now collecting all the stars/stickers to get the hidden character / secret last level.

But this type of platforming I hate, especially when you are playing in multiplayer and trying to coordinate jumps with everyone, it is just ridiculous how fast you can blow through a stockpile of extra lives...

Give me 2D any day. It's not that I do not appreciate some of the massively creative levels in 3D world, it is just always gonna be better single player for me, and even then, I would rather do Mario 64 or something.
Title: Re: Games you thought you would hate but ended up liking
Post by: JR on September 03, 2020, 09:22:28 PM
I have a few that come to mind.

A buddy of mine wanted me to play Ace Combat 5, so he lent it to me. I didn't really think I'd care for it that much, since nearly everything I play has more fantasy than piloting a fighter jet, but it was pretty fun. I mean, not fun enough to seek out any of the other Ace Combat games or anything, but I enjoyed it.

Another time, a guy I worked with wanted to borrow something of mine and lent me Rainbow Six: Vegas, and for the same reasons as Ace Combat 5, I didn't expect to like it. But that was really fun, too. There wasn't a whole lot of story to get into (which is funny, since it has an author's name plastered on it, but I digress), but it was a fun, competent shooter. I even bought the sequel used several years back, but haven't touched it yet.  :-[