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Title: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: SSBBfan666 on March 15, 2014, 09:27:30 AM
i've gone through the threads where people say that the classics would mop the floor with Dracula (Gabriel), saying that he is weak to them; and have come up with reasons why this would not work.

1. the classic Vampire Killer (the leather whip) would not work on him, the only weapon that can end his immortal existance permanently is the LoS Vampire Killer (his previous weapon) While one may say the classic Vampire Killer is superior, (kind of is) the LoS Vampire Killer and its replicas can channel Light(Holy) Magic and Shadow(Unholy) Magic through it. something the classic Vampire Killer could not do.

2. The Vampire Killer (LoS version) is, in its own right, very powerful. it is VERY effective against the supernatural (due to how it was created) and it also has the power to kill immortals who can destroy the classic Vampire Killer, like Satan, but it is lost in the underworld/dimensional prison where he left it (he broke it just after absorbing the Forgoton One's power, meaning it must be impossible to break under normal standards), if one was to read the lore surronding the LoS Vampire Killer and its replicas, it is stated that the original (the one Gabriel had) was Rinaldo's greatest work/creation, all others were modified replicas which didn't really hold mush in comparison to the original. Victor's CC may be the one that Trevor, and then Simon, wielded as it was passed down through the lineage (even though it could only temporarily stop/kill Gabriel).

3. Gabriel is immune to all forms of holy energy/attacks. a prime example of this would be his fight against Roland (the Paladin who led the largest Brotherhood assault on his castle). As he was defeated, Roland pulls out his prayer cross/crucifix to use it against Gabriel as he begins praying (gathering the power of the seven archangels into it. Gabriel grabbed it as it starts to glow with holy energy. Gabriel is not harmed at all by it and prays along with Roland (though his is more of mocking). the end result is a massive explosion (known as the Great Explosion in the LoS timeline) that goes on for thousands of miles and can be seen and heard from SPACE! (look on Youtube for further detail). Gabriel was in the center of the blast and remained unharmed as he held the melted golden cross. the explosion, decimated the land, wiped out the army, and vaporized the castle. Alucard (Trevor) may have also been in range of the blast as he is seen behind his father but is also unharmed due to their shared immortality.

4. Gabriel (as Dracula) can still use holy energy, as the above example ponts out he combined it with Roland's into the cross that resulted in the explosion. Plus he is God's Chosen warrior to stop Satan (and possibly a shard of his waepon (LoS Vampire Killer) being embedded in his body since he destroyed it (David Cox said it in an interview, that's one way how he can form and use his Shadow Whip).

5. The classic Vampire Killer would not work on him, since the only thing to put him down for good is his old weapon, which was lost in the underworld/dimensional prison (i stated this before, but re-stating it to make sure people understand). (though Zobek gets his hands on it... because he is Death of the LoS universe and can exist in different realms). it took Simon and Alucard working together with all their might to temporarily end Gabriel, and he was delibratly holding back against the two, he came back from his 'suppossed death' and his rule went uncontested for 500 years, Alucard later approached him with the plan to take down Satan and Zobek later, after the failed brotherhood assault.

6. Gabriel has gone up against Satan's army, the Brotherhood of Light and more as he slaughtered thousands of demons, soldiers of the Brotherhood, and more. he wiped the floor with Abbaddon, The Destroyer. (Though Abaddon is also in the classic series, but the LoS version is more monstrous and destructive), granted the classic series has various things from different mythos and legends, the LoS Saga was more 'region-oriented' (ex; focus on Satan, and christian mythos).

7. Gabriel has fought and killed old gods and many immortals (Cornell, Carmilla, Pan, Agreus, the Leviathan, The Forgotton One, Zobek (aka; Death), and Satan himself). Gabriel points out to Alucard in the past that both Zobek and Satan are hiding and fear him, since he is more than capable of destroying them. He has to fake his death with Alucard's help to draw them out into the open so he can get them.

8. he bested Victor, who was very powerful in his own right, in a one-on-one fight. Victor may be close to Julius in terms of power (though i can't be certain, since the classic series has over-the-top anime power style and the Lords of Shadow saga is more dark and gritty), Zobek and Gabriel both note that he has tremendous power. Victor held his own against Gabriel for a while, who we all know is very, very powerful. fun fact; Victor was originally going to be named Julius in Lords of Shadow 2; this was found on the game files that the PC gamers looked into.

That's all i got for now, most (read; all)of this stuff was from the Castlevania wiki. So i would say that Gabriel (Dracula) would beat down Richter and rip out his heart before consuming his blood. i'm not even sure Julius could go against him. if you have any rebuttal and/or anthing to add, feel free to post your comments. but here are some rules. it would be interesting to see how Gabriel and Mathias interact if they crossed paths during their immortal existances; Mathias may trump Gabriel in a super complex many-boards chess game, while Gabriel would beast Mathias in a one-on-one fight (due to Mathias being a tactician; master planner (like Zobek and Satan) and Gabriel (while smart enough to solve complex puzzles, ex; Laura's ball game on the wall and more) being more of a fighter, capable of going against the biggest threats with skill, wits, and prowess. This would be a funny picture to see on DeviantART, what would you think? While it is stated that Mathias has supreme control over realms monsters, demons, and more, he gained it through things like the Crimson stone and spells. Gabriel fought his way up to becoming the Prince of Darkness/ Supreme Lord of Shadow (his full potential was through becoming a vampire and gaining the Forgotton One's power)

1. No LoS saga hate
2. No fan bigotry, this isin't DmC vs DMC
3. be kind to others you reply to.
4. provide accurate facts and findings for both sides.

That's it for now and have fun.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2014, 09:51:38 AM
Yeah the most a classic Belmont could do against Gabriel would be put him to slumber for a few years. MoF Simon is gor all intents and purposes a classic Belmont in the new series and he needed Alucard's help, he got possessed too, Gabriel is kinda overpowered.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: crisis on March 15, 2014, 09:57:07 AM
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1. the classic Vampire Killer (the leather whip) would not work on him, the only weapon that can end his immortal existance permanently is the LoS Vampire Killer (his previous weapon).

the real Vampire Killer is not just effective against vampires, but all demons. its official description is "the bane of the children of the night." even Death itself cannot withstand its power, remember leon's quote "though you have divine power, you are no exception." it can transform from leather to chain, shoot fireballs, & sometimes turn into pure Holy energy, all abilities the Combat Cross is incapable of

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2. The Vampire Killer (LoS version) is, in its own right, very powerful. it is VERY effective against the supernatural and it also has the power to kill immortals who can destroy the classic Vampire Killer, like Satan, but it is lost in the underworld/dimensional prison where he left it.

it is very powerful, and yes it is enchanted, but nowhere near the level of the canon Vampire Killer. the real VK is the result of a blood pact, a ritual that can never be undone, it can never be destroyed, even when Julius seals it in the castle in 1999, its sheer power keeps the denizens of Castlevania in check. the COmbat Cross however can be destroyed no problem

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3. Gabriel is immune to all forms of holy energy/attacks. a prime example of this would be his fight against Roland (the Paladin who led the largest Brotherhood assault on his castle). As he was defeated, Roland pulls out his prayer cross/crucifix to use it against Gabriel as he begins praying (gathering the power of the seven archangels into it. Gabriel grabbed it as it starts to glow with holy energy. Gabriel is not harmed at all by it and prays along with Roland (though his is more of mocking). the end result is a massive explosion (known as the Great Explosion in the LoS timeline) that goes on for thousands of miles and can be seen and heard from SPACE! (look on Youtube for further detail). Gabriel was in the center of the blast and remained unharmed as he held the melted golden cross. the explosion, decimated the land, wiped out the army, and vaporized the castle. Alucard (Trevor) may have also been in range of the blast as he is seen behind his father but is also unharmed due to their shared immortality.

i would dare to say Mathias holds more weight as Dracula than Gabriel does. why? mthias has total control over the demon realm; cvadventure's manual states that before he was the vampire king, for centuries he conducted taboo rituals in his castle fortress every night. he dominates ancient deities, and all pay allegiance to him. gabriel has the same ability, although to a much lesser extent. mathias-dracula is a sorceror vampire king, he pulls the strings, whereas gabriel-dracula is a berserker vampire king, hes not afraid to get his hands dirty

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4. Gabriel (as Dracula) can still use holy energy, as the above example ponts out he combined it with Roland's into the cross that resulted in the explosion. Plus he is God's Chosen warrior to stop Satan (and possibly a shard of his waepon (LoS Vampire Killer) being embedded in his body since he destroyed it (David Cox said it in an interview, that's one way how he can form and use his Shadow Whip).

theres nothing in the classic canon that suggests dracula is incapable of using holy energy too. his castle is littered with holy items & entire sections are cathedrals. why would a being devoted to evil have holy stuff around him?

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5. The classic Vampire Killer would not work on him, since the only thing to put him down for good is his old weapon, which was lost in the underworld/dimensional prison (i stated this before, but re-stating it to make sure people understand). (though Zobek gets his hands on it... because he is Death of the LoS universe and can exist in different realms). it took Simon and Alucard working together with all their might to temporarily end Gabriel, and he was delibratly holding back against the two, he came back from his 'suppossed death' and his rule went uncontested for 500 years, Alucard later approached him with the plan to take down Satan and Zobek later, after the failed brotherhood assault.

we're told that the only thing that can kill gabriel is his original Combat Cross, but why? why cant Trevor's combat Cross kill him? theyre both the same, made by the same person (Gandolfi), both were blessed the same exact way, etc. why is gabriels weapon more special than Trevors? and where the hell does Victor get his CC from (which looks exactly the same as gabriels CC)

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6. Gabriel has gone up against Satan's army, the Brotherhood of Light and more as he slaughtered thousands of demons, soldiers of the Brotherhood, and more. he wiped the floor with Abbaddon, The Destroyer. (Though Abaddon is also in the classic series, but the LoS version is more monstrous and destructive).

Galamoth>Abaddon
there are many other enemies in the classic canon that posed more threat than Abaddon (even the "devil" enemy from CotM's challenge endurance section was more challenging)

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7. Gabriel has fought and killed old gods and many immortals (Cornell, Carmilla, Pan, Agreus, the Leviathan, The Forgotton One, Zobek (aka; Death), and Satan himself). Gabriel points out to Alucard in the past that both Zobek and Satan are hiding and fear him, since he is more than capable of destroying them. He has to fake his death with Alucard's help to draw them out into the open so he can get them.

i agree that gabriel-dracula is indeed a badass

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8. he bested Victor, who was very powerful in his own right, in a one-on-one fight. Victor may be close to Julius in terms of power (though i can't be certain, since the classic series has over-the-top anime power style and the Lords of Shadow saga is more dark and gritty), Zobek and Gabriel both note that he has tremendous power. Victor held his own against Gabriel for a while, who we all know is very, very powerful.

no way is victor even close to Julius in terms of anything. Julius, at the ripe bold age of 55, was capable of performing a Grand Cross that ripped off sections of the castle itself. julius would curb-stomp gabriel-dracula, and we havent even seen what young-Julius in his prime is capable of. theres no debating this, sorry  :P

it is said that in the classic canon each generation of Belmont is stronger than the last. this seems to be the opposite in the los-universe.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Nagumo on March 15, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
Nothing can kill original Dracula either. The only way they got rid of him was to use the ultimate sealing magic that is powerful enough to seal away even the gods.

Conclusion: Belmonts are losers.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
Nothing can kill original Dracula either. The only way they got rid of him was to use the ultimate sealing magic that is powerful enough to seal away even the gods.

Conclusion: Belmonts are losers.
Pretty much.

Now, who of the 2 Draculas would win...
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Flame on March 15, 2014, 11:21:41 AM
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it can transform from leather to chain, shoot fireballs, & sometimes turn into pure Holy energy, all abilities the Combat Cross is incapable of
is it canon that the whip can turn to chain or leather on a whim? or is that a gameplay gimmick that has no basis in the actual 'story"? Seems to me like the whip is Leather or chain depending on what the team making the game decide they want it to be.

the Combat Cross can't shoot fireballs or turn to pure energy, but that's probably more because Gabriel never bothered to try shooting fireballs. It can still channel both Light and Dark energy, which is close enough, and it can perform, with light energy, a Holy Cross attack, which VK can't. It's also a retractable whip, so it's easier to lug around, and it's length is most likely infinite, given the pocket dimension nature of the retractable feature. Gabriel always seemed to have exactly enough length as he needed.
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it is very powerful, and yes it is enchanted, but nowhere near the level of the canon Vampire Killer. the real VK is the result of a blood pact, a ritual that can never be undone, it can never be destroyed, even when Julius seals it in the castle in 1999, its sheer power keeps the denizens of Castlevania in check. the COmbat Cross however can be destroyed no problem
This is true- VK and CC are both totally different in terms of origin. VK is MUCH more special and "personal" a weapon, while the CC is just coincidentally, a unique powerful artifact which became THE most powerful of it's kind due to all of the holy upgrades it got. Although the one of particular significance is of course- the stake attachment.

The VK meanwhile, actually radiates Holy energy. (or at least an anti-monster energy, since it isn't exactly a Holy weapon, just an alchemic one- the Belmonts that wield it are the Holy ones)

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i would dare to say Mathias holds more weight as Dracula than Gabriel does. why? mthias has total control over the demon realm; cvadventure's manual states that before he was the vampire king, for centuries he conducted taboo rituals in his castle fortress every night. he dominates ancient deities, and all pay allegiance to him. gabriel has the same ability, although to a much lesser extent.
This boils down to origins. Mathias was not a fighter, but a tactician and an alchemist. Gabriel meanwhile, was a high ranking Holy Knight. he's much more Leon than Mathias. So Mathias has the upper hand when it comes to magic powers, whereas Gabriel has the upper hand when it comes do pure brute force and strength.

Interestingly, they both have valuable combat experience, considering mathias is again, a military tactician and Gabriel actually got his hands dirty in the front lines. Though I think in this case, gabriel's practical experience might give him an upper hand compared to Mathias, who just has tactical knowledge and not much "hand to hand" experience and relies more on tricks and sorcery.
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theres nothing in the classic canon that suggests dracula is incapable of using holy energy too. his castle is littered with holy items & entire sections are cathedrals. why would a being devoted to evil have holy stuff around him?
The whole point is that VK can kill him because he's an evil vampire and it's a Holy relic. Dracula has never used Holy energy and i think it goes against his whole deal of being against God. Why does he have chapels? because it's a staple. I think the original idea being they are unholy chapels or similar shit. I mean the original chapel had medusa in it, so...

Gabriel meanwhile, Never quite seems to be directly opposed to God like Mathias was, rather he feels that God "showed him a different path", whether he liked it or not. he still considers himself God's chosen one.

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we're told that the only thing that can kill gabriel is his original Combat Cross, but why? why cant Trevor's combat Cross kill him? theyre both the same, made by the same person (Gandolfi), both were blessed the same exact way, etc. why is gabriels weapon more special than Trevors? and where the hell does Victor get his CC from (which looks exactly the same as gabriels CC)
I guess because the ones that came after are just replicas of the original. I think they were going for the kind of idea that you just cant top the original and it was the real deal as far as Gandolfi's combat crosses go.

Victor's is likely another copy handed down the generations



Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: MKKhanzo on March 15, 2014, 11:45:09 AM
Pretty much.

Now, who of the 2 Draculas would win...

Depending on his incarnation. It would be cool to do a "Dracula incarnation tier list" haha just for silliness. (CV64 and Legacy ultimate draculas forms are badass and extremely powerfull)

HECK LETS DO IT  ;D
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Anglachel on March 15, 2014, 12:01:39 PM

we're told that the only thing that can kill gabriel is his original Combat Cross, but why? why cant Trevor's combat Cross kill him? theyre both the same, made by the same person (Gandolfi), both were blessed the same exact way, etc. why is gabriels weapon more special than Trevors? and where the hell does Victor get his CC from (which looks exactly the same as gabriels CC)

Victor's is a copy like Trevor's, given to him by the Brotherhood for their elite. I would assume that, while the other Combat Crosses are powerful and effective, the best way to put it is that they are "fake" Vampire Killers. I guess the one that Gabriel used was made by Gandolfi himself, while the others are ones the Brotherhood made. Hence, they probably didn't have full expertise on making them, so they produced lesser Combat Crosses.

This actually reminds me of something. Why is it that the stake that Alucard used doesn't actually kill Dracula permanently? It's part of the Vampire Killer, so why does it not able to end his life forever?
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: X on March 15, 2014, 12:10:59 PM
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Although the one of particular significance is of course- the stake attachment.

Don't forget Flame that even the classic Vampirekiller had a stake attachment too. You can see it on Rondo's official art;

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/216/e/c/castlevania__dracula_x_ost_by_batmanfrodovader-d45hr2n.jpg (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/216/e/c/castlevania__dracula_x_ost_by_batmanfrodovader-d45hr2n.jpg)

In terms of the Combat Cross being stronger then the classic Vampirekiller? I'd have to say no. The CC is weak as you spend way too of time mashing on enemies. Even with the magic activated and exicuting all the best combos it's still a long haul. The Vampirekiller is quick, strong and gets the job done faster then the CC. And it doesn't help the CC's argument when you're grinding against sponge enemies. Another reason is that even when Gabriel had turned to a vampire he was still able to use it where-as if someone wielding the Vampirekiller became a vampire then they would not be able to physically touch the whip without harming themselves as the Vampirekiller is 'the bane of the children of the night'.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Flame on March 15, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
I never noticed that Richter's VK had a stake. I don't think any other Vk has ever had one though.

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This actually reminds me of something. Why is it that the stake that Alucard used doesn't actually kill Dracula permanently? It's part of the Vampire Killer, so why does it not able to end his life forever?
Well consider he forged the remains of the stake into a long sword. I imagine that it is very thinned out, and that it is not entirely made of the stake. So while it has the power of the stake, its been diluted enough that it can no longer kill Dracula, just take him out temporarily.

I mean, Didn't Alucard basically just stick the sword in his heart and LEAVE it there so he would remain slumbering?
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: e105beta on March 15, 2014, 01:09:07 PM
Don't forget Flame that even the classic Vampirekiller had a stake attachment too. You can see it on Rondo's official art;

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/216/e/c/castlevania__dracula_x_ost_by_batmanfrodovader-d45hr2n.jpg (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/216/e/c/castlevania__dracula_x_ost_by_batmanfrodovader-d45hr2n.jpg)

In terms of the Combat Cross being stronger then the classic Vampirekiller? I'd have to say no. The CC is weak as you spend way too of time mashing on enemies. Even with the magic activated and exicuting all the best combos it's still a long haul. The Vampirekiller is quick, strong and gets the job done faster then the CC. And it doesn't help the CC's argument when you're grinding against sponge enemies. Another reason is that even when Gabriel had turned to a vampire he was still able to use it where-as if someone wielding the Vampirekiller became a vampire then they would not be able to physically touch the whip without harming themselves as the Vampirekiller is 'the bane of the children of the night'.

While I agree that the VK is stronger than the CC, gameplay is never a good metric for this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Ahasverus on March 15, 2014, 01:34:31 PM
Depending on his incarnation. It would be cool to do a "Dracula incarnation tier list" haha just for silliness. (CV64 and Legacy ultimate draculas forms are badass and extremely powerfull)

HECK LETS DO IT  ;D
I stand by COTM Dracula being the baddest of the bad, he eats Mathias for breakfast. What a hard fight.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: GuyStarwind on March 15, 2014, 01:49:39 PM
I think crisis pretty much summed it up. I would also like to mention classic Belmont's and Gab come from two different CV universes. Saying who would win depends on what you favor more.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: RegalSin on March 15, 2014, 02:03:51 PM
Okay you know what, all this talk about who is powerful and what not.

1. CVLOS is not a real Castlevania game at all, at least not for the original generaiton, it is more or less a fan made game, by western people. All the bs about the special cross, and all of that stuff, including devil/garbreil/satan, and all of that bullshite is as much drama muck, compared to the "Witches of eastwick" or Disney usage of "Gargoyles" ( which is owned and made by somebody else ).

2. When Dracula ( the devil, the source of evil, a man of unatural powers, balh balh, all of those things ), was slain, he was dead. He was dead in the first game, so they had the quest to lift Simons curse, in the second game. After that he was dead.

3. Then came all of these other make-up games, but these games were about, the count, being revived, and this is usually done by sacrificing virgin blood in a ceremony, of various sorts. That is why Dracula kept coming back, because somebody, humans filled with evil intentions, and that alone. Humans summoned him, humans raised the dead, humans. He did not just woke up, one day, somebody had to summon him.

4. As explained in the N64 game at least, when Dracula is destroyed in the real world, he flee's into to the underworld where his power is law. We are talking about where, Drac is the devil/satan/etc source of evil. ( none of that LoS BS ), and Dracula appears as a gigantic demonic creature, in the netherworld ( yeah we going to use the Beetlejuice version of that ). Point being is that Dracula needs to be taken out in the N-world, to prevent him from returning. That is usually a one way trip. Of course in SOTN, they have that shaft BS, where he locked his soul in the underworld/N-world/Purgatory ( whatever ), and would posses peoples body, in order to do the summoning. Once again, he does not wake up, he is summoned, just like in Hellboy.

5. As shown in SOTN, ( which is probably the most looniest and tooniest of games. ), as also shown in DX:ROB, somebody needs to summon him, into the human world. The same is also shown in the "Bloodlines" series, where his summoning is prevented.

6. About LOShadow. The whole "Last of the Belmont's" killing himself, so Dracula, could go and fight himself.............................or David Bowie, Goblin King, is Bullshiite, I am pretty sure the two of them, could have helped each other side by side or even unlock a new playable character and or mode. Great he just stands their, the statue comes to life, and the black stuff flies away so they can literally see where the corruption is. LOTS and SOTN is rubbish................................ If the Vampire Killer in CVII, could work his way up to the castle and Simon could go on a quest, I am pretty sure they would have a good idea, of where to go. We did not need to see a black mist, of His shadow posses a statue, so we could track it down like Batman.

7. This whole argument about who is stronger, is about Vampire vs Human, with a bunch of extra items. I would like to see the game being played without any of these items, and see what would occur, Can you see that end result? What if that Belmont had live in LOS, would we have faced some sorta, other boss. So far all I see, is the same damage that SOTN did to series, being used in LOS.

Dracula returns because worshipers summons him? So why didn't they summon Gods right hand man? Because in this series God is irrelevant. When was the last time, you saw a Belmont, get down on his knees and prayed for a miracle? This is not "Earthbound".

The super ultra ending, Your going to use the bible/pray command, and god is going to step down from Heavan, and swat Dracula with a ghost train, fly-swatter, hand, or even shine a special light on him or you. Maybe an Angel is going to be like the baby-metroid, and give all of it's powers to you.

The problem with the LOTS, they tried to do a game, that revolves around Roman mythology, and Religious ideas. Curbing Castlevania into our world, similar to how SOTN, had a bunch of references to KDracula.

8. Apparently they made games that goes into the future, far into the future, and this is never going. We are all thinking this is the final Dracula game, but when in truth, we should be thinking this will never end, unless they just stop. Originally the game ended with

CVNES
CVGB
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CVIII
DX:ROB    ( in my opinon is the final final real last game, and the PCE is god 2d nationalist game system, before changing up the story )
Bloodlines ( the last time a summoning was prevented ? ).
.................
N64          ( they did a special cermony )
SOTN         ( where he could be summoned from the grave, more excuses )
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LOI            ( more excuses )
LOS           ( okay this is kinda off course, for every saved person, there is an doppelganger )


Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 15, 2014, 02:31:39 PM
I think crisis pretty much summed it up. I would also like to mention classic Belmont's and Gab come from two different CV universes. Saying who would win depends on what you favor more.
Yeah, in the end, it's all bias. It was like, back when FFVII love was the shit, everybody was saying how Cloud and Sephiroth were the most powerful of all FF characters(even now you hear something similar about Lighting being regarded as the most power, according to FFXIII fans). Particularly all the FF games, each world is different and the rules are different as well. Monsters in some FF world which are considered boss-level are meager everyday enemies in other worlds. Just because what a character does in one game doesn't meant it can be equally compared in other worlds where the laws of reality are different. FF-wise, I could very well see Jenova, a world threatening alien, in another FF world, be considered a rather low level threat. "Oh, your world was almost destroyed by this? In our world, these kinda things are found hiding out under our refridgerators! We have a spray to get rid of them!!".
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Neobelmont on March 16, 2014, 03:43:52 PM
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No one posted this?
WHY?
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Gunlord on March 16, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
Haha XD
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Anglachel on March 16, 2014, 05:13:19 PM
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No one posted this?
WHY?

I love how the skull on Gabriel's chest is giving Mathias the look too.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: crisis on March 16, 2014, 06:08:26 PM
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Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on March 16, 2014, 08:32:58 PM
I think a DEFINITIVE Dracula would be one who both is skilled as a great sorcerer, ruler, grand manipulator and tactician, AS WELL AS being a strong, skillful warrior and master of weaponry. 
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: RegalSin on March 16, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
No one posted this?
WHY?

Because it is not true, I mean the Alucard from SOTN, is not even real at all, he is just an slightly updated version of the original, meant for the PSX crowd. Belmont ( whichever one that is ), apparently looks no differnt, or laidback in that picture. Belmont hair is also washed and done for some reason, that just does not look right. I prefer a more western Belmont, even Ritchet is more reserved.






Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: e105beta on March 16, 2014, 09:05:41 PM
Because it is not true, I mean the Alucard from SOTN, is not even real at all, he is just an slightly updated version of the original, meant for the PSX crowd. Belmont ( whichever one that is ), apparently looks no differnt, or laidback in that picture. Belmont hair is also washed and done for some reason, that just does not look right. I prefer a more western Belmont, even Ritchet is more reserved.

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Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Flame on March 16, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
Because it is not true, I mean the Alucard from SOTN, is not even real at all, he is just an slightly updated version of the original, meant for the PSX crowd. Belmont ( whichever one that is ), apparently looks no differnt, or laidback in that picture. Belmont hair is also washed and done for some reason, that just does not look right. I prefer a more western Belmont, even Ritchet is more reserved.
What is your primary language? because it certainly isn't English.
Title: Re: on the topic of classic Belmonts vs Dracula (Gabriel)
Post by: Gunlord on March 17, 2014, 02:36:20 AM
All right, guys, let's not get too hard on him...it's possible English may not be his native language. However, Regal, your posts are extremely hard to read. If you're not a native speaker and would like some help, please PM me or one of the other mods and we'll see if there's anything we can do for you. Some of us speak Spanish, Japanese, all kinds of different languages. :)