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Title: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 05, 2021, 06:59:32 AM
It's unknown if it will be dumped, but here's a short video:

Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: X on April 05, 2021, 10:16:49 AM
It was such a wasted opportunity... So what if it was the sequel to a game that IGA didn't like for multiple reasons? There was no excuse for Konami to shut this down for whatever reason they thought it wouldn't succeed. That demmo looked like it was playing better then the official release of CV64. I would love to see a full-on play-through of this in a newer video. It just looked awkward with the guy holding the camera while doing everything else at the same time.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on April 05, 2021, 10:34:49 AM
See I thought the game never existed. This is very surprising, and it looks like it plays half-decent too. Shame it was unreleased.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Darkmoon on April 05, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
That looks like a vertical slice of the game, something put together to show off zones and some of the action, but never meant to be released as a "finished" product. It's far from a true demo, just a working bit to showcase the title.

Honestly, I can kind of see why it was cancelled. The game had been in production for a while and this slice, at least, doesn't exactly present anything drastically new or interesting. If anything, it feels vacant, even less developed than the N64 titles, and those weren't exactly flying off the shelves upon their release.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: VladOfWallachia on April 05, 2021, 01:43:35 PM
Cool find. The game looks to be in concept / tech demo stage of development. There's barely any noticeable gameplay mechanics but at least the environments look the part... but the video quality is pretty bad, would be cool if the community could get a hold of this and record some solid footage of the environments.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 05, 2021, 05:29:00 PM
Here's a translation from the place that first dropped the video: https://www.sega-dreamcast-info-games-preservation.com/castelvania-resurrection-dreamcast (https://www.sega-dreamcast-info-games-preservation.com/castelvania-resurrection-dreamcast)

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Over the years, some canceled games have become "holy grails" for collectors and video game archaeologists. Castlevania: Resurrection on Dreamcast is one of them.

It is a title that we thought lost forever, a game that we have been fantasizing about for 20 years. We just knew it was shown to the press, in a tight circle, in a partially playable version.

A few days ago, I was sent a message with the photo of the prototype. I couldn't believe it, he was there in front of my eyes. I thought I had fallen from my chair, I was witnessing his resurrection !!!

This game would have taken place in 3D environments. A time travel would have brought  Sonia Belmont and Victor Belmont to meet.

 

The story was set to take place in 1666. Victor Belmont was an 1800s vampire hunter who had abandoned his lineage and left the region in fear of his fate as a vampire slayer. The player would face a female vampire as the main opponent.

In addition to this, you need to know more about it.

According to art director Greg Orduyan , the game was canceled due to Konami's lack of trust in the Dreamcast.

The content of the prototype:

This prototype is a pre E3 demo.

There are 5 environments and a boss fight that correspond to a stage of the game. Most areas do not connect with each other. They are accessible from the Start menu. One of them does not charge. This beta is an early build.
Castlevania Resurrection dreamcast prototype

Conclusion:

Be careful, I don't know what my acquaintance intends to do with it. I do not wish to harbor false hopes. It may be necessary to be satisfied only with the photo and the video proving its existence.

The discovery of the prototype being major, with the agreement of its owner, I can disclose it and show it to you. We can also thank him!

So it sounds like this acquaintance of this French Sega Dreamcast preservation site either held onto or was passed along a press demo copy of the prototype that was handed out to media outlets prior to E3 1999. It also sounds like this might be a Bloodlines beta situation where the person either doesn't dump the ISO for people to play and to archive, and instead holds onto it as an ultimate "trophy", or just outright sells it on ebay hoping for a big cash-in. Here's hoping I'm wrong and they are a bit more affable to fans.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 05, 2021, 07:02:44 PM
From France you say?

Happen to know of some people still involved with dreamcast from france. I'm asking around. This belongs to the fans and it should be preserved and if possible made in a playable state.

I have mixed feelings about what this persons intentions may be, but I was at walmart at midnight with my mom as kid to get dreamcast when it launched just because I expected this game to come out for it. It broke my heart when it was cancelled and whatever we can do to preserve this game and hopefully experience it all as a fanbases in someway must be done.

This game is too important to simply be used as shotty youtube content.

Let's hope he does the right thing.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: LuxKiller65 on April 05, 2021, 07:16:19 PM
sorry, this belong to the guy with only one arm in the video ;)

Many years ago someone in France claimed to have a playable disc of this game. It was on eBay for a while too. Maybe this disc is from that story.

Either way here's some info:
- E3 1999 was held May 13 to May 15 1999

- The build date of the disc is May 11 1999, clearly not a coincidence. The page says "Pre E3 demo", I'm not even sure what that means. Sounds more like "E3 demo" that was ultimately so crap it wasn't used.

- This video I ripped has the announcer say that only a CG demo was shown at E3 1999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJaTPTgzQ-M&t=919s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJaTPTgzQ-M&t=919s)

So someone at Konami saw how bad it looked and said "please burn this thing at very high temperatures".

Also, the disc says #20, so they made 19 others at least.

When they say the game was cancelled because of "lack of trust in the Dremcast", when it wasn't even on the market in May 1999, it sounds like a way to say "This game that Konami of America (KCEA) is working on is so bad that it needs to be canceled immediately". Since they had reserved some space for it at E3, they let the CG demo roll and then the game went to the trash compactor.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 05, 2021, 08:08:39 PM
In all fairness, I don't trust Konami's judgement on what is crap and what isn't at this point.


Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: LuxKiller65 on April 05, 2021, 10:48:05 PM
Sure, but we can't unsee how bad it looks and plays, and this was Konami in 1999, not 2016. It's like they woke up late and said it would be fun to copy the Nintendo 64 episode but on the Dreamcast, even keeping the 2 characters idea. Frankly no regrets on this game but to everyone his own opinion.

What I'm curious about and maybe Nagumo can speculate on this, is how Legend of Cornell fits in all of this. Did KCEK start working on it AFTER Resurrection was canceled? Or was it a parallel project totally unrelated to how Resurrection was going to end up? It was released end November 1999, that's basically 6 months after this demo.

edit: it's also curious that legend of cornell came out in the US first and then a full month after that. As if it was more urgent to release it in the US, because of the cancellation of Resurrection?
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 05, 2021, 11:07:38 PM
I've never thought it looked bad graphically, this was proceeded by the n64 game. It looked fantastic in it's day and since not one of us here has ever played it, the verdict on gameplay isn't clear. And furthermore, it's obviously incomplete.

It's a piece of the history of the series that certain people out there are holding onto rather than sharing.

It's not about whether it's good or bad. It's about preservation, and it's about sharing it with the community.

You may not be interested in playing it, but the thought of people out there being able to pop it in a dreamcast and play (despite it's incomplete state) while so many of us will never otherwise have that chance really sucks.

And if it was shared with the community perhaps something could be done with it to make it more playable.

With the state Castlevania is currently in we need to be preserving and holding on to every little piece we can. Not hording things away for money or youtube subscribers.


Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 06, 2021, 07:34:35 AM
It's a piece of the history of the series that certain people out there are holding onto rather than sharing.

It's not about whether it's good or bad. It's about preservation, and it's about sharing it with the community.

You may not be interested in playing it, but the thought of people out there being able to pop it in a dreamcast and play (despite it's incomplete state) while so many of us will never otherwise have that chance really sucks.

And if it was shared with the community perhaps something could be done with it to make it more playable.

With the state Castlevania is currently in we need to be preserving and holding on to every little piece we can. Not hording things away for money or youtube subscribers.

I second this. It doesn't matter if it's a graphically inferior game. The N64 Castlevania were not that great graphically either. The point is that this one of of the only known Castlevania games that was cancelled that was developed enough to actually have a demo trailer and a playable early prototype, and that's worth a lot in terms of the history of the series and to a lot of us fans looking to preserve it. There's been a lot of dumps of game prototypes lately, including Castlevania, and this would be the crown jewel of them regardless of how unpolished it is.

Ideally, it should be ripped into a playable ISO for people to at least have a chance at playing and archiving, since those discs don't last as long as carts and one good scratch could render it unplayable. If it could be ripped, it can also be data mined for assets and, potentially, maybe even completed some day by dedicated fans.

Either way, if it's a matter of wanting notoriety for being one of the few people who own this demo, I'm sure ample credit can be arranged to be given to the owner; just get ahold of Polygon or IGN and offer an exclusive interview about how the prototype was acquired or something similar before dumping the ISO. Guarantee they will want to jump on that.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Kingshango on April 06, 2021, 07:00:32 PM
Never thought I’d ever see gameplay of this, looked okay all things considered. Hopefully the demo gets dumped online.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 07, 2021, 12:55:17 AM
It's being bid on on EBay. The current price is $3,000.

Edit: This is probably a naive idea, but since there are still nine days left on the auction, couldn't we do a fundraiser and, if by some miracle it's enough to win, choose someone trustworthy here (Like Jorge, Crisis, Luxkiller) to receive the disc and make sure it gets dumped? It's a longshot, but it would be nice if we could prevent it from becoming part of another hoard.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 07, 2021, 04:45:09 AM
It's being bid on on EBay. The current price is $3,000.

Edit: This is probably a naive idea, but since there are still nine days left on the auction, couldn't we do a fundraiser and, if by some miracle it's enough to win, choose someone trustworthy here (Like Jorge, Crisis, Luxkiller) to receive the disc and make sure it gets dumped? It's a longshot, but it would be nice if we could prevent it from becoming part of another hoard.

I thought of this too. If it were just a grand or so I'd throw down for it without much thought, just to guarantee it was dumped and archived. As of right now it's up to $4,000 and no promise it'll be dumped for the public.  :-\
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 07, 2021, 05:12:56 AM
Shocker... Smh

Meanwhile guys don't bid. We need to not drive up the price. there are 9 days left to try to form a plan.

We have to hope now that whoever gets it is cool and shares it.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: PFG9000 on April 07, 2021, 06:06:46 AM
There's been a lot of dumps of game prototypes lately, including Castlevania, and this would be the crown jewel of them regardless of how unpolished it is.

I haven't been keeping up with gaming news as much as I used to.  Which other Castlevania photos have turned up recently?
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 07, 2021, 06:18:40 AM
I haven't been keeping up with gaming news as much as I used to.  Which other Castlevania photos have turned up recently?

Last year was the dump of a Super Castlevania IV playable prototype that was among a ton of Nintendo leaks, and just a few weeks ago there was a dump of press copies of PS2 games that included Lament of Innocence.

I keep hoping that one day that Bloodlines beta proto rom (TARA200) will finally be ripped and leaked, but that's likely a fool's dream.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on April 07, 2021, 08:27:33 AM
Perhaps we should approach the Bloodstained community, or really any actual large gathering place with Castlevania fans, and propose a fundraiser? One that would guarantee a dumped ISO.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 07, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
It's up to $7,100. I dunno who is going to want to throw in to something that could potentially go over $10k.

That said, I would be willing to put something together if enough people were interested in chipping in and there was potential we could make it. I don't have a Dreamcast but I 100% would rip everything and dump it publicly as long as someone told me how to do so. I don't know if GoFundMe is the best avenue to try or some other fundraising platform, but it would need to be something that I could 100% refund everyone if anything we raise ends up not being enough (and doesn't kill me in fees).
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 07, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Ko-fi doesn't charge fees:

https://help.ko-fi.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002506494-Does-Ko-fi-Take-a-Fee-
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 07, 2021, 10:15:53 AM
This guy should have just done a Kickstarter with a goal of 10k or 20k to dump it. Then everyone could have won. The way he's gone about this rubs me the wrong way because he's treated it like it's just another rare game when it could be the last chance this game has to ever be truly shared. ???? It's beyond rare.

Now it runs the risk of shipping damage and of being horded by another collector.

I assumed he was in france but I guess it's the US.

Not to be a downer but realistically it's gonna be pretty tough to pull enough people together to make something happen, we'd probably have to get everyone here on board. Meanwhile I guess we can have some fun and make guesses at the sale price.

Lets see how this goes over the next few days and it will be clear if it's even gonna be possible.

I'm predicting it will go up to 35k at least.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 07, 2021, 10:29:14 AM
So he just updated the ebay page with this:

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On Apr-07-21 at 10:05:41 PDT, seller added the following information:

Hi Everyone! I’m getting a lot of questions about the disc being backed up. Rest assured I wouldn’t let this go without one. It will be released at some point.

Dunno what to believe, but.....maybe they do have a shred of decency....
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 07, 2021, 10:44:51 AM
Oh wow!

That would totally change everything. Hopefully he's a man of his word!

In light of that I'll revise my guess down to 10k. ????
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 07, 2021, 03:49:27 PM
Oh wow!

That would totally change everything. Hopefully he's a man of his word!

In light of that I'll revise my guess down to 10k. ????

Well it's up to $20k now, so you have little faith in the trolls hoping to fuck each other over, lol.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 07, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
Ha!

Yeah I saw that! I was pretty much totally wrong less than an hour after I said that lol.

They must not be noticing the update on his description or who knows what. I have no idea what to expect with 9 days of this left to go.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 08, 2021, 01:08:15 AM
...Aaaaaand the auction is cancelled.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 08, 2021, 05:02:47 AM
For the second day in a row I wake up way too early from a nightmare to read a crazy new update about this from Nagumo. Hahaha what an odd few days this has been.

Well it sounds like he was gonna do the right thing after all so lets just hope he took that down willingly and that konami hasn't stepped in to shut it all down. ????
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: X on April 08, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Personally I don't see why Konami should even remotely bother to care at this point. It's been decades and they aren't ever going to do anything with it. They just up and threw this unfinished game to the wolves. But they'll do what they do. Knowing who and what they are it's kinda expected.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 08, 2021, 07:00:27 PM
Answers are coming soon! Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 08, 2021, 07:38:22 PM
Hi guys! My friend Mike Levy has the scoop on what happened! He shared this info with me earlier today and it's amazing! Mike is the host of the XVGM Radio podcast, a voice actor (he was actually in Wallachia) and he has a great youtube channel! Subscribe to Mike and show your support! He's a great guy!

https://youtu.be/1erfgaf1TwM

(https://i.imgur.com/YF3UFqk.png)
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 10, 2021, 10:57:25 AM
Hi guys! My friend Mike Levy has the scoop on what happened! He shared this info with me earlier today and it's amazing! Mike is the host of the XVGM Radio podcast, a voice actor (he was actually in Wallachia) and he has a great youtube channel! Subscribe to Mike and show your support! He's a great guy!

https://youtu.be/1erfgaf1TwM

(https://i.imgur.com/YF3UFqk.png)


Thanks for this! I actually posted on the video and will just copy what I said there:
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So, this lines up with what I'd heard through the grapevine about the listing being pulled. Through the CV wiki discord, someone posted a link to the GBAtemp forums topic regarding the disc listing. The post in question cites: "The item was sold outside of eBay to a private collector last night. The seller was fed up by attitudes from some people arguing and attacking him with false reports (copyright claims on parts of the code and music)." - https://gbatemp.net/threads/castlevania-resurrection-prototype-disk-listed-for-sale-online.586397/page-5

Sounds like what Mark said really ruffled the seller's feathers and the seller did take down the listing, but then turned around and sold it privately to a collector. I have no idea the validity of this information or post so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds like the seller might have decided to circumvent legalities and just get their payday regardless. No idea what this means for releasing the ripped ISO to the public.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: crisis on April 11, 2021, 09:44:33 PM
Oof. Interesting. I would’ve easily put up $1,000 for it, or traded some of my rare memorabilia that I have doubles of. Guess I’m too late.

Maybe one day we’ll see a demo of Akumajou Dracula for the ps3/x360 that was canceled as well
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 12, 2021, 08:07:25 AM
Cut the crap Crisis, you bought it, didn't you?  >:(
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: crisis on April 12, 2021, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: Nagumo
Cut the crap Crisis, you bought it, didn't you?  >:(

hehehe... the mystery is more intriguing than the answer itself, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: X on April 12, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
Well Nagumo.. sounds like you got a bit of a crisis on your hands  8)

Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: SecretWeapon on April 17, 2021, 08:40:31 AM
the only thing that interests me from Resurrection really is whether The Countess had a name or not
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 21, 2021, 01:01:38 PM
Update to the last video with some positive news:

Title: Sonia Belmont!
Post by: crisis on April 21, 2021, 02:19:56 PM
Very interesting indeed. Although to be honest, the gameplay itself appears to be only a notch above Curse of Darkness, the uniqueness & curiosity make it worth it.

If and when I come across a demo copy, rest assured it will be in my possession (within reason of course. I’m not spending $10,000 on a demo disc)
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 21, 2021, 02:23:02 PM
Update to the last video with some positive news:



Interesting new development. I give your buddy credit for the follow-up.

I'm very curious as to whom this group that ripped demo copy might have been given to and then potentially distributed to the public by. I wonder if it's the French DC preservation site or some other game archival group.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on April 21, 2021, 08:11:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sJdYTQq.png)
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: X on April 22, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
lol. A new meme is born.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 22, 2021, 04:59:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sJdYTQq.png)

This is amazing. Did you shop this because it's genius.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 23, 2021, 08:01:29 AM
I wonder if they had any cool ideas for implementing the VMU in the game.

Could have been useful for a map display, who knows. I used to love those little VMU's though. Such a cool feature.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on April 23, 2021, 09:00:43 PM
This is amazing. Did you shop this because it's genius.

Yes, and thank you  :-*

I wonder if they had any cool ideas for implementing the VMU in the game.

Could have been useful for a map display, who knows. I used to love those little VMU's though. Such a cool feature.

Yeah.... All this buzz made me wonder what IGA could've done if given a project for the Dreamcast. Ya know, if it had been more popular.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 27, 2021, 01:05:56 AM
Hey, what's this?

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: BLOOD MONKEY on April 27, 2021, 07:30:28 AM
Hey, what's this?

(click to show/hide)

downloaded even though I'm not home and can't extract it and check it out at the moment
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Belmontoya on April 27, 2021, 09:23:20 AM
Mike sent me a link this morning!

Really great to see a happy ending to this!
Looking forward to digging into it and seeing where they were at with it.

After 20 years I never thought we would see this happen!
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Reinhart77 on April 27, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
i hope enough videos come out so that I can associate the music to stages in my mind whenever i listen to them.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on April 27, 2021, 01:36:56 PM
Well, now that it's been released to the world, I can say with confidence that it wasn't worth $20,000.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Dark Nemesis on April 27, 2021, 02:00:31 PM
I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALUQMR3N0B4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALUQMR3N0B4)
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: mgfcortez on April 27, 2021, 02:03:24 PM
very happy to see this come out, I downloaded it but probably won't play it for a while. got to refresh myself on how to burn Dreamcast games, and then dig out the old Dreamcast. I just watched the 36-minute vid on youtube lol

you can really see it would have been very cool, but it's unfinished with many bugs. I hope we can get a programmer to rip the stuff and remake it into a real game one day. even so, stages would have to be added. sounds added like the rocks that kill the snake's heads. the traps on the stairs to move either up or down, or roll down the stairs (we'll never know what they were to do) hit detection needs working on as well.

but never know someone could make it into a real game hopefully before another 20 years. we have a lot of smart Castlevania fans out there.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: crisis on April 28, 2021, 08:44:16 AM
This demo is a curiosity, but nothing more than that really. I don’t think we missed out on something great or anything. It would’ve probably been only a couple notches above CV64/LoD. Those games were really frustrating to play through
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: X on April 28, 2021, 09:56:35 AM
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This demo is a curiosity, but nothing more than that really. I don’t think we missed out on something great or anything. It would’ve probably been only a couple notches above CV64/LoD. Those games were really frustrating to play through

Maybe, maybe not..?

Hard to say the outcome since the game was never finished. CV64/LoD was somewhat frustrating because of the camera's functionality. But there's no guarantee that this would also be the case with Resurrection. They could take what they learned from CV64's camera coding and appropriate it further for Resurrection. I can agree that it would be a couple of notches above CV64/LoD. Sonia's form looks more developed polygon-wise and the graphics have more pixelation to them. Not bad for a demo all things considered.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Sindra on April 28, 2021, 01:46:39 PM
Yeah, it being a few click above CV64/LoD is an apt analysis based on what I've played of it. Camera, while not fixed, is still wonky which I'm sure they could have fine-tuned later in development. Environments look good for the time, as do the enemies. Sonia handles stiff like the N64 titles, however.

Can't tell if they have placeholder subweapons, but so far I've encountered axe, dagger and boomerang (not cross, literally a boomrang; not sure if they'd have changed that later in development too).
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Nagumo on May 02, 2021, 06:51:17 AM
This isn't directly related to the prototype, but I had an interesting thought regarding the game's development. Anyone else think the game's time travel premise is really strange? The game was supposed to take place in 1666 but featured two characters from two completely different time periods as the protagonists for no apparent reason. Why not just set the game in either of those three time periods and focus on that? That got me thinking.

According to the game's environment artist, the art team "wasn’t very cohesive and couldn’t agree on a direction". Which makes me wonder if perhaps there were three different, conflicting ideas regarding what the game was going to be about at the beginning of development. Those ideas would be: 1) a game set in the 1400s featuring Sonia, 2) a game set in the 17th century, and 3) a game set in the 1800s featuring Victor. Interestingly enough, coverage regarding this game from around the time of E3 1999, as well as the prototype, completely lack any mention of the game being set in 1666 or featuring time travel. The first mention of those elements (as well as Victor) didn't show up until September 1999. Which could possibly mean that during the time of the E3 demo, the intention was to make a game featuring Sonia as the sole protagonist. At that point, the game had been in development for at least a year and we know it was far from being finished. According to IGN, the game was delayed around June, 1999. Perhaps the higher-ups got desperate at that time and demanded the developers to also incorporate scrapped ideas in the game (like Victor and those environments and enemies that are clearly from the 17th century) in order to speed up development. And afterwards, someone in the development team came up with some BS time travel plot to tie it all together.

I have never seen anyone bring up this theory, so I thought it would be interesting to share. It would make a lot of sense, if true.         
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Reinhart77 on May 02, 2021, 07:15:49 AM
I was contemplating future Castlevania Collections and figured if each was about 8 games long, they could do another Classic collection, a Metroidvania collection, and a 3D collection.  Then I wondered if there was any chance that they’d ever add the most recent build of Resurrection, closer to completion than this demo disk, perhaps even tweeking it a bit to make it more playable to the 3D collection, and then add it to the Bonus material section of the collection.  I know, wishful thinking.  But I do think it’d boost the sales of the collection at least a little bit if they did.  Kinda how never-before-localized Kid Dracula required a little bit of work and made the anniversary collection just a little more important to people who already had all those games.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: X on May 02, 2021, 10:07:44 AM
Nagumo@

I've heard about the time travel aspect as well. However in terms of Sonia I feel that she didn't go through time so much as she was resurrected in a future time, hence the title of said game. Victor on the other hand could have gone through time as he was from the future. There is also the information we got that states Victor didn't want to have anything to do with his vampire hunting destiny so he abandoned his calling, thus we have Sonia to take his place. I did just find some info on Mr. P's Castlevania realm here: http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/2/canceled-page1.htm (http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/2/canceled-page1.htm)
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: RichterB on May 02, 2021, 11:55:25 AM
I'm hearing the sentiment that it's a little better than CV64/LoD...but I'm not seeing it from this demo. The character animation/pacing is incredibly stilted, as are the attacks. The biggest improvements I see are perhaps in textures and the ability to generate more enemies on screen at once. The level design is slightly better than I expected, and I like that it has real platforming, but nothing suggests it's better overall than CV64/LoD to me. I don't even see the R-button-type camera fix and lock-on than CV64 had. There looks to be a lot of blind whipping in Resurrection.

Just a reminder on CV64's movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br-fTGrErM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br-fTGrErM)

All that said, glad to see this see the light of day, and I know it was something I was interested in buying back during the Dreamcast days.

And yes, bring on more collections!
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: SecretWeapon on May 02, 2021, 12:39:03 PM
To be fair, it's clear why they picked 1666
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on May 02, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
I'm hearing the sentiment that it's a little better than CV64/LoD...but I'm not seeing it from this demo. The character animation/pacing is incredibly stilted, as are the attacks. The biggest improvements I see are perhaps in textures and the ability to generate more enemies on screen at once. The level design is slightly better than I expected, and I like that it has real platforming, but nothing suggests it's better overall than CV64/LoD to me. I don't even see the R-button-type camera fix and lock-on than CV64 had. There looks to be a lot of blind whipping in Resurrection.

Just a reminder on CV64's movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br-fTGrErM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br-fTGrErM)
One thing in that video I agree with was the criticism of relying on heavy combo systems rather than non-combo gameplay, which adds more of a manual touch to combat rather than a scripted one. That's something I disliked about the more combo-heavy 3D CV games (LoI, CoD, the LoS games), and would love the series to return to something less combo-driven. As noted in the video, when you have to think on your feet as you attack, it's more akin to a "fight or flight" type thing. I know people bring up the Souls games or Bloodborne, those games also feature a similar style of gameplay. I wouldn't want a CV game to be as unforgiving, but perhaps allow the player to learn from the environment and obstacles, rather than combo their ways through enemies, might be a cool change of pace for this series 3D future. Enemies wouldn't be damage sponges either (I swear enemies in action games are made damage sponges you they give the player enough time to pull of long "kewl" looking combos), could be taken out in a couple of hits, but DO fight back, aren't chumps and still keep you on your feet.
Title: Re: Castlevania Resurrection prototype found
Post by: Flame on May 09, 2021, 09:02:26 AM
Having tried the demo finally, (I love playing prototypes and demos like this) well, it's super clunky and the camera is clearly in the employ of Dracula, God forbid you go near a corner it flips out.

It tends to be hard to really judge the game though, compared to something like CV64, because well, this is really unfinished. As much as we can rail on CV64, that is still a finished product more or less.  I haven't played much of CV64, but the little i've played of that, it played much better than this.

Although the level design feels more PS1/PS2 game like than N64. not sure how else I can describe it. Still a fun curiosity of what could have been