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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: crisis on November 22, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
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We all know that Zobek is immortal, aka this universe's version of Death. Yet, Satan is also an immortal being, as is Dracula (temporarily, perhaps). Why would Zobek need Dracula's help in defeating Satan when he himself can't be killed by anyone, living or dead (according to his in-game bio)? He has nothing to lose either way.
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Ever heard someone say "there are worse things than death"
Being immortal doesn't mean you can't be defeated, I believe Zobek was more worried about being forced to serve Satan than being killed.
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Simple. Satan is more powerful than Zobek and Dracula. In the post credits cutscene, Zobek tells Gabriel/Dracula that if they don't work together, Satan will enslave both of them. And, I'm guessing that Zobek doesn't want to be enslaved.
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Aren't they both pretty much already serving the Devil just by being the evil bastards they are?
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Satan is more powerful than Zobek and Dracula.
But in the CV universe, Dracula is the embodiment of all that is evil. Satan should not have been in there in the first place. But I guess they "needed" something different for LoS but i don't think they tried hard enough. Personally however instead of Satan (the Devil) I would've used one of the 'Old Ones' from the H. P. Lovecraft stories. Now those guys are way more bad@$$ then the Devil can ever be, and by far more of a significant threat to Dracula.
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Satan did exist in the old timeline, but it was just 'symbolic' though. We had "Satan's Ring" in AoS. Satan is all about the "dirty work". You do something bad, it was in the goodwill of Satan because that's what Satan wants, like Dracula... As long as there is evil, Darkness like these corrupted souls will triumph. In the OT, one can consider that Dracula gets his powers from darkness which is Satan's domain and he uses his subjects to do evil for him. Wars, Rapes are done by humans though "Evil Thoughts" which is projected by Satan in most Abrahamic religions and that favors and strengthens Satan. Satan in my opinion in Castlevania probably favors Dracula, like Hades to Ares. Though Satan and Dracula probably never met, as long as you have beings like Dracula causing evil in the world, Satan is active and he can just lie back and relax.
In LoS, Satan probably decided to take matters in his own hands, and used his puppet for a while and then he reveals himself and this is what LoS is. It's the ultimate battle between good and evil. Now that Dracul is born, he probably fears that Satan may have control over his spirit like he did over Zobek because of his Dark Powers. But that's just a speculation.
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Satan did exist in the old timeline, but it was just 'symbolic' though. We had "Satan's Ring" in AoS. Satan is all about the "dirty work". You do something bad, it was in the goodwill of Satan because that's what Satan wants, like Dracula... As long as there is evil, Darkness like these corrupted souls will triumph. In the OT, one can consider that Dracula gets his powers from darkness which is Satan's domain and he uses his subjects to do evil for him. Wars, Rapes are done by humans though "Evil Thoughts" which is projected by Satan in most Abrahamic religions and that favors and strengthens Satan. Satan in my opinion in Castlevania probably favors Dracula, like Hades to Ares. Though Satan and Dracula probably never met, as long as you have beings like Dracula causing evil in the world, Satan is active and he can just lie back and relax.
In LoS, Satan probably decided to take matters in his own hands, and used his puppet for a while and then he reveals himself and this is what LoS is. It's the ultimate battle between good and evil. Now that Dracul is born, he probably fears that Satan may have control over his spirit like he did over Zobek because of his Dark Powers. But that's just a speculation.
You got it wrong. In LoS, Satan wants the God Mask for himself because it is believed to have contain some of God's power. In other words, Satan wanted it to become more powerful so that he could face God and conquer Heaven. He used Zobek and Gabriel as pawns by planted the plot into Zobek's mind and making him think that it was his own. Once the pieces of the mask were put together and Gabriel was dead, Satan had no further use for Zobek and that's when he reveals himself and claims the mask. What he didn't count on was Gabriel coming back to life and defeating him.
In the LoS timeline, Satan is the most powerful evil being. The lords of shadow, the forgotten one, and now Gabriel/Dracula are still evil, but Satan is the at the top. With "Good" there seems to be some sort of hierarchy. There doesn't seem to be one with "Evil". It's just a bunch of powerful evil beings with their own minions and torment innocent people independently of other powerful evil beings. For example, the lords of shadow. All three were evil, yet they each had their own domains and acted on their own. They didn't answer to anyone what so ever.
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I can bet Zobek will be the last boss in LoS2 a la Lament of Innocence.
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Dracula isn't the embodiment of all that is evil; he was just a badass sorceror that got defeated then brought back to life (then defeated again). Galamoth or whatever was supposed to be more powerful than him until Dracula bested him in Kid Dracula.
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Dracula WAS the embodiment of all that was evil in CV. He is the main classic villain of a classic series. Like Ganon is to the Zelda series and Bowser is to Super Mario Bros. It is only when IGA came along that things like Satan's ring (bringing in the existence of Satan)and Galamoth were introduced. But for me Dracula, the classic badass king of the Vampires will always be the main villain of the series and to the Belmonts. Others will come along but be nowhere near as classy.
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Dont forget in DoS you go to Hell for the final area.
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Dracula WAS the embodiment of all that was evil in CV. He is the main classic villain of a classic series
Being the most renowned villaing in the series and being "embodiement of all that is evil" in the series storyline are very different things, not connected with each other.
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In the main timeline, Chaos is the ultimate incarnation of evil, and people like Satan, Dracula and Ryukotsuki take turns in being its puppets. For some reason, Galamoth wants to be one too.
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It is only when IGA came along that things like Satan's ring (bringing in the existence of Satan)and Galamoth were introduced.
..except that Galamoth had already been a villain in the series. And not just a boss like he was in SotN. The final boss.
Also, in DC, Dracula had "sold his body and soul to the devil".
Dracula has almost always been the main antagonist, but not the biggest bad.
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In the main timeline, Chaos is the ultimate incarnation of evil, and people like Satan, Dracula and Ryukotsuki take turns in being its puppets.
Incorrect. Chaos isn't evil, it's just chaos. It's not good nor is it evil, it is simply a state of existence that which is the opposite of Order. While Order is logic, Chaos flies in the face of that logic on all levels, hence the name. It is never mentioned as being evil. It was simply an influential source in AoS. Evil only comes from those with the intention to act as such.
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As long as they are using Christian themes in the game, Satan is the ultimate face of evil but his existence is only foreshadowed. Satan is the ultimate evil and he is the reason there is pain and suffering. Dracula is more of a tool who is succumbed to Satan's vile ways... Take it as "The Government rules us all, but Illuminati is above all... yet Cthulgu is above all...Yet God is the reason these things exist."
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..except that Galamoth had already been a villain in the series. And not just a boss like he was in SotN. The final boss.
I am not sure why Kid Dracula should be considered part of the Castlevania series.
It is based of it, referenced, but not ultimately part of the timeline / storyline.
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Dude, Kid Dracula totally fits into the timeline. At some point, Soma settles down and has a son, but then mysterious circumstances cause him to become Dracula, and his son becomes "Kid Dracula".
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Dude, Kid Dracula totally fits into the timeline. At some point, Soma settles down and has a son, but then mysterious circumstances cause him to become Dracula, and his son becomes "Kid Dracula".
actually, a lot of fans seem to think that Kid Dracula is in fact Alucard.
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Impossible. Kid Dracula takes place around 10,000 AD, which is way after Alucard grows up and betrays his father.
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Since everybody is talking about Dracula-kun now, I don't there is any connection between him and Alucard. There is a timeline from Konami Magazine that places Kid Dracula in 11797 (10,000 years after Symphony of Night for some reason) and we also know that Dracula-kun is 10,009 years old. So I think that rules it out.
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I am not sure why Kid Dracula should be considered part of the Castlevania series.
It is based of it, referenced, but not ultimately part of the timeline / storyline.
The point is he was introduced as a rival / enemy of Dracula long before IGA had anything to do with Castlevania. Even if Kid Dracula weren't part of the timeline, Galamoth is treated as an existing antagonist in later games.
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Impossible. Kid Dracula takes place around 10,000 AD, which is way after Alucard grows up and betrays his father.
Maybe something happens to Alucard?
10,000 years is a VERY long time.
And considering all the magic and weird stuff in CV NOTHING is impossible given that amount of time.
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Even if Kid Dracula weren't part of the timeline, Galamoth is treated as an existing antagonist in later games.
He could be treated as this on account of his SOTN appearance.
As for his status as Dracula rival - it is of course reference to the Kid Dracula, but it doesn't mean, that KD is a part of the Castlevania series.
Interestingly, KD happens 10 thousand years in the future and its supposedly the same timeframe, from where Time Reaper in Judgement came from. Nice throwback, though rather useless and in the wrong game.
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He could be treated as this on account of his SOTN appearance.
Not really. He was a seemingly imprisoned creature in Dracula's castle in SotN, one of the numerous monsters forced to serve D. In KD and Judgment, he was a big bad against Dracula (in Judgment, he was even a threat worse than Drac). A fanon theory could be that because he manipulates time, there are timelines where he has been defeated and others where he isn't.
I don't know if there are more references in the main timeline to him like there was in AoS, but he certainly is "official".
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As long as they are using Christian themes in the game, Satan is the ultimate face of evil but his existence is only foreshadowed. Satan is the ultimate evil and he is the reason there is pain and suffering. Dracula is more of a tool who is succumbed to Satan's vile ways... Take it as "The Government rules us all, but Illuminati is above all... yet Cthulgu is above all...Yet God is the reason these things exist."
On a side note... I really wish the names of Satan and Lucifer hadn't gotten mixed up in popular/christian culture. They aren't even the same character in the Bible.
Maybe something happens to Alucard?
10,000 years is a VERY long time.
And considering all the magic and weird stuff in CV NOTHING is impossible given that amount of time.
Sometimes artistic style has nothing to do with anything. Just look at Megaman Zero. When asked about the change in Zero's design, Keiji Inafune (?ref?), said it was just an aesthetic choice with no bearing in the story or timeline.
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Hey this time it wasnt me who brought Mega Man into the discussion! :D
Command Mission however sort of inchest towards the idea of technological progress being a slight factor in the slender designs. the Artist thought that since Command Mission was 22XX, that it was in the Zero timeline, so he gave X those slimmer legs. (and look at Marino too, for example)
ZX furthers the concept. the more technology advances, the more Human looking Reploids become. by ZX, the more ROBOTIC the Humans become, merging the two into one race.
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Not really. He was a seemingly imprisoned creature in Dracula's castle in SotN, one of the numerous monsters forced to serve D. In KD and Judgment, he was a big bad against Dracula (in Judgment, he was even a threat worse than Drac).
The problem is, it was never stated, that KD and Castlevania'verse are connected to each other. KD is based off CV, but is it really part of its chronology? If not, then Galamoth's position as a big bad was never confirmed prior-AOS in-universe.
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The first edition of the offical timeline mentioned the game. It's the timeline made by IGA during the development of Symphony of the Night. They decided to put Legends on there too but without IGA's consent apperently.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg600.imageshack.us%2Fimg600%2F7537%2Fkonamimagazinevolume03p.jpg&hash=ef68148a43d9d77dac9465a55e53afa6)
At the end of the timeline it says:
11797 - Kid Dracula awakes
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The first edition of the offical timeline mentioned the game. It's the timeline made by IGA during the development of Symphony of the Night. They decided to put Legends on there too but without IGA's consent apperently.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg600.imageshack.us%2Fimg600%2F7537%2Fkonamimagazinevolume03p.jpg&hash=ef68148a43d9d77dac9465a55e53afa6)
At the end of the timeline it says:
11797 - Akumajo Special: Boku Dracula-kun (Kid Dracula)
Interesting find.
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The first edition of the offical timeline mentioned the game. It's the timeline made by IGA during the development of Symphony of the Night. They decided to put Legends on there too but without IGA's consent apperently.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg600.imageshack.us%2Fimg600%2F7537%2Fkonamimagazinevolume03p.jpg&hash=ef68148a43d9d77dac9465a55e53afa6)
At the end of the timeline it says:
11797 - Kid Dracula awakes
Let's keep in mind that things change and because of IGA's development style (gameplay first, then shoe-horn the story in somehow) as well as the fact that there have been different people in charge of CV over the course of the 25+ years (each with their own ideas as to where the series should go next) there is no real consistency in the overall storyline. Plus, let's not forget that the games don't come out in any particular order. In essence, by adding games at what seems like random places on the timeline, the timeline begins to contradict itself. Plus, there is also the fact that games are sometimes removed from the timeline like Legends.
But, that is neither here nor there. LoS is a completely new timeline that has nothing to do with the one started 25+ years ago. This timeline is suppose to be 3 games long. We've only had one released and the next two (MoF and LoS2) are coming out in the next year or so. All we can do is wait and see. We can't really fully analyze this timeline without the other 2 games.
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The problem is, it was never stated, that KD and Castlevania'verse are connected to each other.
No, it isn't if one isn't claiming that Galamoth is exactly what he was in KD. His description in SotN, his most notable appearance in the main timeline, however, suggests he is pretty much the same way in both; wants to take over the underworld / wants Dracula's position. And in Judgment he is certainly big and bad enough to make a move against Dracula.
He exists or has existed in both universes, even if they are separated from each other.
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Interesting find, this old timeline. However, there were a lot of changes since CVL, so I wouldn't accept as prove of KD being part of CV universe.
He exists or has existed in both universes, even if they are separated from each other.
I never denied that.
This situation is pretty much like in different TMNT universes. You know, that the Shreder is a big bad in one universe, so he will be the big bad in another version. However, it doesn't mean that those two versions connected to each other. Same with Galamoth.
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Depends on what you mean "connected to each other". He's a netherworld upstart and an enemy of Dracula in both. I haven't played KD, so I can't tell where the actual differences begin (other than being cute and cuddly in KD).
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His description from SotN is essentially one big shout out to Kid Dracula. I believe it says he tries to take over the netherworld, right? Well, in the Japanese version "netherworld" is "makai", which means "world of demons". The Kid Dracula games also take place in the demon world. So basically SotN directly acknowledges that Kid Dracula's world exists.
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Or, it could just be a nod to the game, since he's in there.
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Considering IGA put the game on the timeline that he made as a reference for SotN's story, I don't think it was just a nod.
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Considering IGA put the game on the timeline that he made as a reference for SotN's story, I don't think it was just a nod.
Plus his soul in AoS. Plus Judgment, where he is the antagonist. Those aren't just nods to some quirky character. If they were going for that sort of thing, he would have been plushy and silly in SotN and his soul would have had some ridiculous ability.
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All this talk of Kid Dracula gave me a hankering to play it (and also dig up my KD plushie)
Kid Dracula on GameBoy Light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zotojxi6KLs#ws)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv119%2Fc0mbat%2FEEBE3E7D-26AD-494A-8FBE-7CED549C0379-997-00000031F2D8068F.jpg&hash=cfa9a1e53d5cc11b85921c767c3da3a3)
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Is that the hat he wore in the "boss battle" against the Statue of Liberty?
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His description from SotN is essentially one big shout out to Kid Dracula. I believe it says he tries to take over the netherworld, right? Well, in the Japanese version "netherworld" is "makai", which means "world of demons". The Kid Dracula games also take place in the demon world. So basically SotN directly acknowledges that Kid Dracula's world exists.
I wouldn't call it directly. I agree with Flame, who said, that it could be a nod.
As for timeline: given IGA's "talent" as a storywriter and his approach to the games (gameplay first, story - second) I wouldn't exclude possibility, that KD was included just on a random whim, meaning its inclusion in timeline was never properly thoughout.
If they were going for that sort of thing, he would have been plushy and silly in SotN and his soul would have had some ridiculous ability.
And that is because of that, Galamoth inclusion and background are nods to the KD.
Nods for me are "direct or non-direct referencing to something", that is what we have in that case.
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what
He isn't plushy and cuddly in SotN.
He is the exact opposite of that.
How. does. that. make. it. an even clearer reference?
Does the fact alone that he appeared in KD make all his later appearances nods to KD? Is he doomed to be a nodder?
Is the time reaper too destined to be a nod to Witchi Wench?
I feel sorry for those guys then. No matter how many eras they try to destroy, they'll always be references to a parody game.
What is this conversation even about anymore? Is this just about clarifying how you interpret words like "nod" and "reference"?
*Clears throat*
Galamoth is an electric dinosaur thing that originally appeared in Kid Dracula looking as cute as everything else in that game. After that, he has also been a kickass, menacing boss in Castlevania and an antagonist of everyone, including Dracula. I guess he's the embodiment of a gritty reboot.
That's all I have to say, about that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ_yQ02xwsM#ws)
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But in the CV universe, Dracula is the embodiment of all that is evil. Satan should not have been in there in the first place. But I guess they "needed" something different for LoS but i don't think they tried hard enough. Personally however instead of Satan (the Devil) I would've used one of the 'Old Ones' from the H. P. Lovecraft stories. Now those guys are way more bad@$$ then the Devil can ever be, and by far more of a significant threat to Dracula.
HO HO HO who are the old ones if u dont mind me asking :)
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Aw, sannyclause doesn't know his Mythos. :(
There are actually more than these, but these are the primary Old Ones. Any author writing for the Mythos can make up new Old Ones, and they often do. The library continues to grow.
Azathoth
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120414183021/creepypasta/images/1/14/Azathoth_hpl.jpg (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120414183021/creepypasta/images/1/14/Azathoth_hpl.jpg)
Chaugnar Faugn
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/276/6/a/chaugnar_faugn_by_crowsrock-d3004y6.jpg (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/276/6/a/chaugnar_faugn_by_crowsrock-d3004y6.jpg)
Cthugha
http://www.paintermagazine.co.uk/users/419/thm1024/cthulhudetailoverlaywarm.jpg (http://www.paintermagazine.co.uk/users/419/thm1024/cthulhudetailoverlaywarm.jpg)
Cthulhu
http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/cthulhu.jpg (http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/cthulhu.jpg)
Dagon
http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/images/b/bb/Dagon02.jpg (http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/images/b/bb/Dagon02.jpg)
Eihort
Glaaki
http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/bag/pics/more-great-old-ones3.jpg (http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/bag/pics/more-great-old-ones3.jpg)
Hastur
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/362/6/c/hastur_by_capprotti-d2xfplr.jpg (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/362/6/c/hastur_by_capprotti-d2xfplr.jpg)
Hydra
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201071459/villains/images/9/96/Mother_Hydra.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201071459/villains/images/9/96/Mother_Hydra.jpg)
Ithaqua
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080525132315/sfery/images/7/73/Ithaqua.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080525132315/sfery/images/7/73/Ithaqua.jpg)
Mordiggian
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3921668815_cb3a9be43c.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3921668815_cb3a9be43c.jpg)
Nodens
http://www.henningludvigsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nodens.jpg (http://www.henningludvigsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nodens.jpg)
He resides in the Dreamlands, so he doesn't look like the other Old Ones
Nyarlathotep
http://aldaria02.a.l.pic.centerblog.net/9o48d28e.jpg (http://aldaria02.a.l.pic.centerblog.net/9o48d28e.jpg)
Shub-Niggurath
http://cdn.okcimg.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/0x0/0x0/0/14768098352963112241.gif___1_500_1_500_cb94de6a_.png (http://cdn.okcimg.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/0x0/0x0/0/14768098352963112241.gif___1_500_1_500_cb94de6a_.png)
Shudde M'ell
http://galerie.horreuraarkham.fr/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=69&g2_serialNumber=1 (http://galerie.horreuraarkham.fr/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=69&g2_serialNumber=1)
Tsathoggua
http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/48911/tsathoggua.jpg (http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/48911/tsathoggua.jpg)
Yig
http://lovecraftiancreations.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/yig-arkham-horror.jpg (http://lovecraftiancreations.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/yig-arkham-horror.jpg)
Yog-Sothoth
http://davidjrodger.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yog_sothoth_by_drhoz.jpg (http://davidjrodger.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yog_sothoth_by_drhoz.jpg)
And god help you if you ever stumble across a Shoggoth.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/843/shoggoth.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/843/shoggoth.jpg)
And you don't want to be on the sacrificial end of a Cult Of Shub-Niggurath (that's her baby in this pic).
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0061.jpeg (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0061.jpeg)
Then you have the Race of Yith, which really isn't that bad -- they just kick your soul out of your body and live out their days in your empty corpse until Earth gets destroyed, then they'll go do the same thing to some other weaker being on another planet.
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/280/f/f/Great_Race_of_Yith_by_pahapasi.jpg (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/280/f/f/Great_Race_of_Yith_by_pahapasi.jpg)
But the Mi-go are real douches. Lesser beings that like to push other beings around. You might have seen them in El Viento on the Sega Genesis.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fDYjdKD7PTg/T2PSU2ZQCEI/AAAAAAAAKus/6DrZwQB5E4k/s1600/migo.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fDYjdKD7PTg/T2PSU2ZQCEI/AAAAAAAAKus/6DrZwQB5E4k/s1600/migo.jpg)
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Dagon was a boss in PoR and I think the Malachi was called Cthulhu in one version of a game (SotN?).
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Dagon was a boss in PoR and I think the Malachi was called Cthulhu in one version of a game (SotN?).
Yes, in English version of SOTN (PS1) names of those two were swapped.
Most likely.
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Aw, sannyclause doesn't know his Mythos. :(
There are actually more than these, but these are the primary Old Ones. Any author writing for the Mythos can make up new Old Ones, and they often do. The library continues to grow.
Azathoth
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120414183021/creepypasta/images/1/14/Azathoth_hpl.jpg (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120414183021/creepypasta/images/1/14/Azathoth_hpl.jpg)
Chaugnar Faugn
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/276/6/a/chaugnar_faugn_by_crowsrock-d3004y6.jpg (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/276/6/a/chaugnar_faugn_by_crowsrock-d3004y6.jpg)
Cthugha
http://www.paintermagazine.co.uk/users/419/thm1024/cthulhudetailoverlaywarm.jpg (http://www.paintermagazine.co.uk/users/419/thm1024/cthulhudetailoverlaywarm.jpg)
Cthulhu
http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/cthulhu.jpg (http://artsfuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/cthulhu.jpg)
Dagon
http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/images/b/bb/Dagon02.jpg (http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/images/b/bb/Dagon02.jpg)
Eihort
Glaaki
http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/bag/pics/more-great-old-ones3.jpg (http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/bag/pics/more-great-old-ones3.jpg)
Hastur
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/362/6/c/hastur_by_capprotti-d2xfplr.jpg (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/362/6/c/hastur_by_capprotti-d2xfplr.jpg)
Hydra
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201071459/villains/images/9/96/Mother_Hydra.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201071459/villains/images/9/96/Mother_Hydra.jpg)
Ithaqua
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080525132315/sfery/images/7/73/Ithaqua.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080525132315/sfery/images/7/73/Ithaqua.jpg)
Mordiggian
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3921668815_cb3a9be43c.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3921668815_cb3a9be43c.jpg)
Nodens
http://www.henningludvigsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nodens.jpg (http://www.henningludvigsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nodens.jpg)
He resides in the Dreamlands, so he doesn't look like the other Old Ones
Nyarlathotep
http://aldaria02.a.l.pic.centerblog.net/9o48d28e.jpg (http://aldaria02.a.l.pic.centerblog.net/9o48d28e.jpg)
Shub-Niggurath
http://cdn.okcimg.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/0x0/0x0/0/14768098352963112241.gif___1_500_1_500_cb94de6a_.png (http://cdn.okcimg.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/0x0/0x0/0/14768098352963112241.gif___1_500_1_500_cb94de6a_.png)
Shudde M'ell
http://galerie.horreuraarkham.fr/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=69&g2_serialNumber=1 (http://galerie.horreuraarkham.fr/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=69&g2_serialNumber=1)
Tsathoggua
http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/48911/tsathoggua.jpg (http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/48911/tsathoggua.jpg)
Yig
http://lovecraftiancreations.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/yig-arkham-horror.jpg (http://lovecraftiancreations.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/yig-arkham-horror.jpg)
Yog-Sothoth
http://davidjrodger.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yog_sothoth_by_drhoz.jpg (http://davidjrodger.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yog_sothoth_by_drhoz.jpg)
And god help you if you ever stumble across a Shoggoth.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/843/shoggoth.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/843/shoggoth.jpg)
And you don't want to be on the sacrificial end of a Cult Of Shub-Niggurath (that's her baby in this pic).
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0061.jpeg (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0061.jpeg)
Then you have the Race of Yith, which really isn't that bad -- they just kick your soul out of your body and live out their days in your empty corpse until Earth gets destroyed, then they'll go do the same thing to some other weaker being on another planet.
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/280/f/f/Great_Race_of_Yith_by_pahapasi.jpg (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/280/f/f/Great_Race_of_Yith_by_pahapasi.jpg)
But the Mi-go are real douches. Lesser beings that like to push other beings around. You might have seen them in El Viento on the Sega Genesis.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fDYjdKD7PTg/T2PSU2ZQCEI/AAAAAAAAKus/6DrZwQB5E4k/s1600/migo.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fDYjdKD7PTg/T2PSU2ZQCEI/AAAAAAAAKus/6DrZwQB5E4k/s1600/migo.jpg)
HO HO HO thank u very much :)
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HO HO HO those guys would be great enemies in LOS 2 imagine if satan got his hands on these guys, drac would be in deep you know what :)
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HO HO HO those guys would be great enemies in LOS 2 imagine if satan got his hands on these guys, drac would be in deep you know what :)
There's absolutely no way Satan could ever remotely 'use' even one of these guys to his advantage. They just don't function that way. The Old Ones are beyond even Satan's comprehension. They are so vile and evil in nature, and their looks are very chaotic that it would cause even Satan's mind to break apart. While Satan is the primary evil in Christian mythology he just cannot stand up to even one of the Old Ones. That's how threatening and badass these guys are. They'd walk all over the competition in less the a heartbeat. H.P. Lovecraft wasn't pussyfooting it around when he wrote these stories as I'm pretty sure he was scared of them himself.
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Kratos>The Old Ones
however
Galactus>EVERYTHING
runner-up: Dr. Manhattan 8)
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I forgot Eihort's picture.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sarkomand.de%2FLovecraft_Cthulhu_Mythos_Zulassungsarbeit_html_6beebba0.png&hash=eaaa51cf2b534ffa038d1cc8113e1c99)
Satan is just one of the Old Ones that makes himself more prominent than the others. Possibly flitting between our world and the Dreamlands, hence his form.
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Satan is just one of the Old Ones that makes himself more prominent than the others.
Where the hell did you see this from?!? Satan is not an Old One last time I checked and whomever thought this up certainly did not know his stuff. The person in question may have thought it an interesting idea but I see it as nothing more then some Christian writer wanting a piece of H.P. Lovecraft's pie or to force their personal beliefs into the mythos and expecting everyone to accept it. However if Satan was an Old One he'd have no choice but to answer to the lord and master of all the Old Ones; Cthulhu. Cthulhu is the only one that can summon the others to Earth or awaken them from their eternal sleep and begin the slaughter and slavery of human kind.
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Could TFO be considered as an Old One? He's way more powerful and evil than Satan.
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The Forgotten One from LoS could be one, but not the Forgotten One from LoI when you take into account his backstory from the manga...
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Could TFO be considered as an Old One? He's way more powerful and evil than Satan.
It might be a possibility however he isn't very chaotic-looking as the rest of the Old Ones are, and Gabriel's mind didn't fracture from the horror of the beast as it would be with the rest of the Old Ones. So it's quite possible that The Forgotten One is a monster whom is below the stature of the Old Ones but is far above Satan and since Gabula defeated The Fogotten One then he would fit into the same or a slightly higher catagory; Above Satan but below the Old Ones.
I guess I should compose a power list for where these types of monsters would fit:
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--Lesser monsters
--Satan
--The Forgotten One
--Gabula (Gabriel/Dracula)
--The Old Ones
--The Elder Gods
--Top--
It's a rough chart at best but you get the idea. The Elder Gods were also mentioned in H.P. Lovecraft's stories and they are far above the Old Ones.
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Where the hell did you see this from?!? Satan is not an Old One last time I checked and whomever thought this up certainly did not know his stuff. The person in question may have thought it an interesting idea but I see it as nothing more then some Christian writer wanting a piece of H.P. Lovecraft's pie or to force their personal beliefs into the mythos and expecting everyone to accept it. However if Satan was an Old One he'd have no choice but to answer to the lord and master of all the Old Ones; Cthulhu. Cthulhu is the only one that can summon the others to Earth or awaken them from their eternal sleep and begin the slaughter and slavery of human kind.
Yeah... last i checked, Satan is at the most basic level, an angel. So... if he were an old one, that would make Angels old ones, and God something similar.. Which.. doesn't quite seem right... Although to be fair, God is usually considered to either have no true form, or have a form incomprehensible by the Human mind. Although AGAIN, it's said he created Humanity in his image, sooo...
Actually, looking up a bit, Seraphs also, in the one instance the term is used in the Hebrew Bible, describes them as having 6 wings, two of which cover it's face, 2 of which cover its feet, and the other two for flying. Also, they seem to have depictions as being like, all wings sometimes, with no other discernible body aside from a head and what, a torso?
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The original descriptions of angels were something you might encounter in Silent Hill, not in a puffy cloud paradise. Somewhere along the line, the image of pretty people with wings came to prominence. Or in LoS' case, shower-fresh Marilyn Manson lookalike hiding his junk with black smoke.
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Satan is politically correct. who knew?
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It might be a possibility however he isn't very chaotic-looking as the rest of the Old Ones are, and Gabriel's mind didn't fracture from the horror of the beast as it would be with the rest of the Old Ones. So it's quite possible that The Forgotten One is a monster whom is below the stature of the Old Ones but is far above Satan and since Gabula defeated The Fogotten One then he would fit into the same or a slightly higher catagory; Above Satan but below the Old Ones.
I guess I should compose a power list for where these types of monsters would fit:
--Bottom--
--Lesser monsters
--Satan
--The Forgotten One
--Gabula (Gabriel/Dracula)
--The Old Ones
--The Elder Gods
--Top--
It's a rough chart at best but you get the idea. The Elder Gods were also mentioned in H.P. Lovecraft's stories and they are far above the Old Ones.
ohh. I love power levels but where would the belmonts be on the list X?
edit where would galamoth be instead?
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God must look eldritch if he designed humanity in His image. Considering how few humans are physically identical, He must somehow look like an infinite number of people, from the past, present, and future.
And I'm still not convinced with the whole "Old Ones are way above religious figures" thing. I mean, I can understand that they're too much for insignificant races like us puny humans, but surely there are beings out there who are advanced enough to regard them the same way we'd regard a dangerous animal, and surely gods and angels and the like are among those beings?
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HOHOHO I still say that there are beings that are above/can defeat the Old Ones
such ass
Kratos (he took down the GREEK GODS, and TITANS. he fears nothing)
Dr. Manhattan (admitted the second before he was transformed to "God-hood," he "felt fear for the last time")
Galactus (he eats planets & has a space station the size of the Milky Way)
and possibly Jesus (none shall stand against him)
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ohh. I love power levels but where would the belmonts be on the list X?
edit where would galamoth be instead?
I didn't add the Belmont's in there as they represent Good while all the rest are evil. Gabula is somewhat of a more complex figure so I can't really pin him down. Maybe that's why he was able to defeat The Forgotten One and Satan could not because Gabe still has some good in him. As for Galamoth? I think I'd put him along the lines of being near-equal to Dracula if he's that much of a threat to him. In order to pan out a comprehensive chart of all the evil and powerful beings mentioned so far I'd really have to give them all an in-depth look. But i suppose I could try it here in base form;
--Bottom--
--Lesser monsters
--Satan
The Forgotten One
--Galamoth
Gabula (Gabriel/Dracula)
--The Old Ones
--The Elder Gods
--Top--
Once again a rough draft but updated. For the good guys here's another rough chart.
--Bottom--
--Average human
--Vampire/Monster hunters
--Scorcerors/wizzards/Witches/the Belmonts
--Angels (all classes counted)
--God
--Top--
While I did put the magic users and Belmonts in the same category only a Belmont can defeat Dracula due to their blood.
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If I may add, I would like to point out that The Forgotten One was vulnerable during the fight with Gabriel due to using a large amount of his own energy to break the remaining seals. If it wasn't for that, TFO would have vaporized Gabriel on sight and he could if you got caught during the hide n seek segments.
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If I may add, I would like to point out that The Forgotten One was vulnerable during the fight with Gabriel due to using a large amount of his own energy to break the remaining seals. If it wasn't for that, TFO would have vaporized Gabriel on sight and he could if you got caught during the hide n seek segments.
If that is the case then The Forgotten One I would move in between Gabula and the Old Ones. I've never gotten up to fighting The Forgotten One as I had no interest in Buying the LoS DLC.