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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Think Tank on September 12, 2007, 04:26:08 AM
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First Castlevania topic ever!
http://xboxer.tv/2007/09/next_castlevania_title_to_be_3.html
During an interview with gameinformer, Castlevania series creator Koji Igarashi indicated that a 360-only Castlevania might be on the cards. Talking about the next instalment of the series, he said that
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It'd be great if it got ported to the pc like some other recent titles (dmc4 for example), but let's not kid ourselves.
Konami doesn't care about the pc gamers, even if there are more pc users around than any console players.
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In Reply To #2
I just hope I don't have to get an X-Box now too. The PSP purchase is going to be bad enough.
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In Reply To #3
Yeah, that's exactly why I want the game to be ported to PC. I don't have that much money to buy another console just for few games.
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I havea 360 so its not much of a problem for me, I would like more games on PC and well ported though, some of these ports are just plan pathetic.
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My opinion on that is if and when they decide to develop it for the XBOX 360, I may consider getting one. At least they're cheaper than the PS3. I can't complain. Hell, I did it for the PSP and I was rewarded by getting an updated PSP Slim for waiting for DXC. :D
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Well, the 360 is much better than the PS3, and IGA doesn't seem interested in the Wii, so I'd say it's a good choice if he ends up going for it.
I know I'll buy the game, but I also know it's going to suck just like every other game he's handled. The PS2 games are the worst of them.
Also, what's this about the article referring to IGA as the "series creator"? Makes it sound like he invented Castlevania.
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I believe that it might come first to 360 and later on PS3.Don't forget that CoD's came on both consoles,X-Box and PS2.First on PS2 and later on X-Box.So the same think might happen here again.
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...the hell is up with all these "exclusive" CV games? Don't they get that they'd have a stronger market if their games weren't limited to just one console?
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In Reply To #9
It's not a choice of IGA,but from Konami.Konami doesn't like to take risks so it chooses that console with the bigest sells for releasing her new title,ignoring what fans of the game want.It's all about money.
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I didn't think is was just IGA, but more Konami's doing. So basically, they don't like taking risks, rather than the prospects of making more money or more of a fanbase if they were to do multi-console releases. (ala: CoD)
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It won't matter. If 360 gets the next 3D game, it would just be visually superior to the PS2 games. I bet the controls & level layout would still be shit.
Concerning the comment made about 360 being better than ps3: That's just because the 360 had a head start & has a few better games (plus the Halo fanbase is huge). I'm sure in about 2 years, everyone will be singing a different tune fin regards to ps3.
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Irealy love Castlevania,but this time i don't think that i will buy 360 just for castlevania.It's just to much to spend.Yes i did this with castlevania for PS2 but it was cheaper to buy than 360.For me,i don't find any game to attract me on 360,but on the other hand PS3 has.So i can't buy a 360 only for castlevania.
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Uhm...in 360? well, at least no in PS3 -_-
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Hm...a 360 exclusive CV? Glad I'm already prepared for that! Though with Iga's track record I doubt buying a 360 specifically for CV would be a waste of money.
I'll pick it up if it comes out, but I doubt it'll be any good, despite my desire for it to be amazing like the old CV64 games. =\
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In Reply To #15
Yup, that's the perfect 3d Castlevania gameplay U.U
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I'm sure that by the time this game comes out, the price of a 360 will have dropped a bit. That said, I'm gonna definitely be wary of IGA's 3D offerings, because after getting more than slightly burned by the PS2 games (don't get me wrong I DID enjoy them, but had I bought a PS2 for them I woulda been mighty pissed off!) his track record is spotty at best in the home game arena.
Oh, and uh, FIRST POST! ;D
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In Reply To #15
Yup, that's the perfect 3d Castlevania gameplay U.U
The N64 games are far superior to the PS2 games, at any rate. I actually really enjoy the 64 games. They capture Castlevania gameplay in a 3D environment much better, and their flaws aside, I think they're a lot of fun.
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I, personally, don't think the N64-vanias came close to achieving 3D CV perfection. PS2-vanias didn't either. The perfect 3D CV game would have to be composed of both the greatest qualities from both N64-vanias and PS2-vanias. For instance, make a greater sense of exploration and platforming layout like the N64-vanias, BUT keep the tight combat systems(combos) and character design of the PS2-vanias. Still, by themselves, both game, IMO, don't feel THAT close to capturing true CV in 3D. N64-vanias feel like, to me, the N64 LoZ series in Horrorland. The PS2-vanias feel like a CV-themed dungeon crawler(and not like a 3D castletroid, but an elaborate Gauntlet in 3D). It wouldn't be hard to design a true 3D CV game if knew how to do it. The concept is easy, actually. You just need the proper programmers to make it work.
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Yeah, IGA should realize that better sales come when you launch a game for multiconsoles.
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Besides, sales for the PSP aren't doing that great neither, but that didn't stop 'em from making DXC. I'm sure we'll see this game on ps3 anyway.
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W00t, another reason not to drop 599...499 US Dollars to get a system...
...Can it be Metol Geer Soled Foe 360 tym naw plz?
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I'm sure they'll end up putting it on both. Curse of Darkness was on both the PS2 and the Xbox and it sold better on the PS2. Now, that doesn't nesicerily mean that it'll sell better on the PS3 but it will sell more if it's on both. There's really no reason for it not to be on multiple platforms.
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Can you imagine IGA trying to fill a whole blue-ray disc? MORE ROOMS DAMMIT!
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In Reply To #24
Damn right XDD
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In Reply To #12
You know more power does not just mean better graphics... They can do better graphics AND better gaming engines, which could lead to better level layouts and fighting systems.
Here's hopin'
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So, if Iga's given up on the Japanese market, does this mean we won't have any more awkward Japanese exchange student moments?
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I'm sure they'll end up putting it on both. Curse of Darkness was on both the PS2 and the Xbox and it sold better on the PS2. Now, that doesn't nesicerily mean that it'll sell better on the PS3 but it will sell more if it's on both. There's really no reason for it not to be on multiple platforms.
Actaully, I thought it was better on teh Xbox, better load times (even though it wasn't much anyway). I think its graphically and sounded identical though. Unlike a certain tennis game. *cough*TopSpin*cough*
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In Reply To #27
I wouldn't necessarily rule that out yet... we'll probably see someone/thing like that in the next DS game
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I'm kinda skeptical if they can pull of a great 3D Castlevania. The 2D Castlevania's are my favorite game's of all time, but i'm not a big fan of the 3D Castlevania's. I would LOVE to see an awesome 3D Castlevania though! If they chose to make a sidescroller they could make an absolutely GORGEOUS sidescroller on the 360 and PS3.
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In Reply To #30
Well, if it's one thing that Konami seems to be doing in the series to try to change things up a bit. Now that they have a couple of the 3-D games under their belt we could see something surprising come out of a 360 version IF they take notes on what other successful games like Bioshock and Dead Rising have done.
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I'd still rather see it on ps3 :-\
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Look guys,for me 360 doesn't have many good games,at least for me.At the other hand PS3 has many intresting games,including FF XIII.So i'm not going to buy a 360 just for Castlevania,because the money for buying it are to much just for a game,but PS3 is another story.I don't like Sony,but her console has many games that i like very much,so i'm under her control and 360 with PS3 are almost the same.So we wont see any difference at graphics at whoever console make its appearance the new Castlevania.
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Look guys,for me 360 doesn't have many good games,at least for me.At the other hand PS3 has many intresting games,including FF XIII.So i'm not going to buy a 360 just for Castlevania,because the money for buying it are to much just for a game,but PS3 is another story.I don't like Sony,but her console has many games that i like very much,so i'm under her control and 360 with PS3 are almost the same.So we wont see any difference at graphics at whoever console make its appearance the new Castlevania.
Sorry to hear that none of the awesome 360 games like Gears of War, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Lost Planet or Guitar Hero II interest you. Sure PS3 will eventually have FF but not for a long time. And if both consoles are pretty much the same to you, why not buy the one that costs $150 less? Not to mention 360 has a better online marketplace with more content. Besides, what great games does PS3 really have out now?
Back to the topic, I'd be optimistic to see a new 3-D Castlevania game IF they developers have learned a few things from the reviews of their PS2 versions.
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In Reply To #34
I like more RPG games,Platform,Action and Puzzle.Shoot em up are not my style,that's why i prefer the PS3.
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Keeping up with video game technology is maddening. Hell, I don't have the cashola to shell out for a PSP, much less a PS3 or XBOX 360.
I understand video game companies are probably going to focus on releasing games to the latest platforms instead of the older ones - I just wish you could trade in your used old platform for a credit to apply towards getting the latest platform. Not very capitalist of me, I know.
Well, I guess I can always borrow a friend's XBOX 360 when and if the next Console CV comes out.
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In Reply To #35
Castlevania is platform, action.
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In Reply To #37
That's why i love it!
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In Reply To #38
Ok I was confused by your bad punctuation and inability to use a space bar.
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LoL..
i'm happy I own both 360 & ps3. Although I'm not bashing/hating on xbox (besides the fact I was a victim of the red ring of death
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In Reply To #40
360 also has DMC4 and I believe GOW3 also.
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In Reply To #40
360 also has DMC4 and I believe GOW3 also.
You mean GTAIV, not GOW3, right?
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When people say GOW I always think Gears of War, when people in fact are referring to God of War.
It's hard :(
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In Reply To #43
I thought GOW meant "God of Wonder"...LOL! ;D
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This better be a pretty awesome game, cuz I was thinking that I may have bought my last console with the PSP (then again, I always say shit liket hat to myself and never stick with it.) :P
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In Reply To #39
That's because i have use comma instead of space bar.In case you didn't notice.
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In Reply To #46
Technically, though, your supposed space after each comma...
...sdlkjhsalkjhkjdsahnj ckjkjdhkjsadncnkjash.
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In Reply To #47
If that's the case, then i'm sorry.I'm not an expert.
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LoL..
i'm happy I own both 360 & ps3. Although I'm not bashing/hating on xbox (besides the fact I was a victim of the red ring of death >:( ) ps3 will have Devil May Cry 4, God of War 3, GTAIV, & many great other games 360 wish they had.
Okay... and what are PS3 owners supposed to do until then? I guarantee you PS3 owners wish they could play Bioshock.
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In Reply To #48
To add on to what slayer said, spaces after periods too.
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In Reply To #50
Actually 2 spaces after a period. Just thought you should know.
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In Reply To #51
Actually thats not that enforced anymore even in schools. Its become common accepted practice for just one space after a period.
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In Reply To #52
Indeed, It hasn't been enforced for a long while. Nowadays you can do either one or 2 spaces.
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In Reply To #52 and 53,
That's definetally not the case in college.
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I haven't encountered any problems at mine.
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In Reply To #49
There'll be plenty of other great games that are gonna be released until then.
I'm surprised you didn't say "ps3 owners wish they could play Halo3".
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Konami doesn't want to release a game on a system that isn't selling very well.
And obviously they are looking at a system more powerful then the Wii.
So the logical choice is the 360. ;D
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In Reply To #57
Yeah but then what's up with IGA saying he's considering options for the Wii??
Also, Wii's the best-selling out of all three consoles =P
Pfeh. Personally I couldn't give a damn about the PS3. Heavenly Sword is probably the only game that looks good to me, but I have a friend with a PS3 and the game, too. I'm not gonna buy a system for one game.
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Konami doesn't want to release a game on a system that isn't selling very well.
Metal Gear Solid 4. Try again plz.
So the logical choice is the 360. ;D
It's the gameplay that matters most, not about which system is more powerful.
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In Reply To #59
If gameplay's the case, it would probably be Wii>360>PS3. I've heard nothing but complaints bout the Sixaxis.
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In Reply To #54
I 2nd that motion.
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I've heard nothing but complaints bout the Sixaxis.
The "wiimote" isn't perfect, either..
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Has anyone considered that the Wiimote could be used to point at enemies and objects while you would use the A or B button to actually attack, sort of like a third-person shooter?
I don't know why Iga is stuck on the idea that you would have to use the Wiimote as a whip.
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In Reply To #63
Yeah, they called RE4: Wii Edition.
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In Reply To #63
If you read the interviews he says that he knows that it doesn't have to be. But that it would be the only kind of way to use it that would actually be cool, but it would also be to tiring. This is what I don't like about the Wii. It just makes developing games harder... I mean I love Wii sports, Wario Ware, Metroid, and Zelda... But the only good things on the Wii are 1st party games. And I've got the feeling that's how it will stay.
Point being... Castlevani is not a thrid person shooter. It should NEVER play anything like one. It's an action adventure game, something the Wii mote just doesn't work well for.
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But the only good things on the Wii are 1st party games.
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In Reply To #66
I'm worried about Wii. It seems that Nintendo already has and quickly is drawing out all of it's big guns: Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and Smash.
I mean, unless they make a good Star Fox game for next year (a feat that hasn't happened in years), or if more third party supportors learn how to make Wii games that aren't minigame collections...
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The wii seems to have more casual games then the other 2 systems.
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In Reply To #67
I kinda am too. The Wii has THE most potential of this console generation Im just scared its a lil "too" head of its time and no developers will be able to do anything really profound with it outside of Nintendo themselves. And Nintendo has a bad habit of not supporting their systems long into their lifetimes and/or making the same system over and over with small difference.
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In Reply To #69
It's hard to make games for it because Nintendo knew there only hope for competing was a gimmick from way out in left field. Yes, it is very fun. But it is in no means way ahead of its time.
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In Reply To #70
How is it not ahead of its time? Its the only motion sensing game controller with full 360 sensitivity (dont EVEN mention sixaxis bullshit) and functions as a normal controller and a pointing input device with its own port for any kind of attachments developers want to make and let their games utilize.
Add all that to the fact that the game industry as a whole hasnt advanced far enough to make really good use of the DS yet and you can see just how much of a stretch itd be for any really good innovative uses of the Wii outside of Nintendo themselves.
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In Reply To #71
Just like how the Virtual Boy was "ahead of its time"? Or maybe even the 64DD?
Yeah, right..
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360 ftw.
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In Reply To #71
Just like how the Virtual Boy was "ahead of its time"? Or maybe even the 64DD?
Yeah, right..
Considering neither of those things have anything to do with what he was saying, I'd have to say no.
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In Reply To #74
I was obviously using those as an example..
The comment about the gaming industry not being advanced enough for Nintendo's products is just plain silly.
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But he only referred to the Wii and DS, not Nintendo's products in general.
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In Reply To #76
Either way, it's still a silly comment!
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In Reply To #77
But there's a bit of truth to it. Seems like the best games on either system that make good use of the systems' features are 1st party ones.
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In Reply To #77
No whats silly is that Nintendo is the only company that sees that graphics and more power dont make a better console or gaming experience. And thats exactly why I say the game industry as a whole isnt advanced enough to make serious use of the Wii.
How many truly innovative games have you seen in the last 5 years? And I mean TRULY innovative that invent new genres or completely change the way we play games as a whole?
All the major developers have focused on are bigger better graphics all the while never ever even considering the way we interact with the games their striving to make photorealistic and as lifelike as possible are still interacted with via a method established like 30 years ago when video games as a whole were new.
Before Nintendo started thinking of ways to change how we PLAY and INTERACT with games the only change in the way we interacted with games from the time they were invented til now was just more buttons on the same controller that each company tried to shape differently to appear to be better than the competitions.
Then Nintendo makes not one but TWO systems that allow anyone smart enough to appreciate it for that a 'stupid gimmick' to play and interact with ideas and worlds on an entirely different level. Not just games but applications and even self improvement tools which became a huge new genre basically overnight all because of the DS.
So whats silly is that while everyone else strives to get to the 'end point' of games visually Nintendo and the few 3rd party developers that realize Nintendos approach is the right approach for a real 'next gen' experience bring new ground breaking ideas and experiments to the 2 Nintendo systems.
And if you dont know what I mean by end point that means once gaming tech reaches the point that our games are fully photorealistic and a screenshot from a game cant be told from a pic of real life what happens then? When we have games like that and thats the norm for graphics but we still interact with the worlds with a controller with a number of analog sticks and a plethora of buttons what then? What are the companies that focus solely on graphics and processing power gonna do when they cant advance those any further cause they cant look better than real?
Then do those companies see that Nintendo was right umpteen years ago and that new ways to play and interact with the games really was the future of the industry? Is it too late by then to save the giants if they make it that long?
I just wonder what ppl would say about the Wii if it had the power of the 360 and still had its own new things at the level they are now.
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I agree that the Wii is a totally different kind of system then the Ps3 and 360. And yes it may change the way we play games... but anyone can change how we play games. But nintendo did what it always does... It made a console to play games they already thought up. It's the same reason Super Mario 64 was the only game on N64 that played perfectly with the system. It was virtually made specifically to play it. And I'm sorry, but what games have really changed the way we play that much? Zelda? No, you just swipe instead of pushing a button... that is NOT revolutionary. Metroid? No, it's basically super advanced duck hunt... been there done that.
Games like Wii sports, or Warioware change to an extent. But not enough to call it revolutionary. We've had plug in and play games like Wii sports for over a decade.
Oh, and saying more power does not make for better games? HAHAHA. Why do people assume that more power only means better graphics? I guess the only difference between Castlevania 64 and God Of War was the graphics huh?
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In Reply To #77
No whats silly is that Nintendo is the only company that sees that graphics and more power dont make a better console or gaming experience. And thats exactly why I say the game industry as a whole isnt advanced enough to make serious use of the Wii.
How many truly innovative games have you seen in the last 5 years? And I mean TRULY innovative that invent new genres or completely change the way we play games as a whole?
All the major developers have focused on are bigger better graphics all the while never ever even considering the way we interact with the games their striving to make photorealistic and as lifelike as possible are still interacted with via a method established like 30 years ago when video games as a whole were new.
Before Nintendo started thinking of ways to change how we PLAY and INTERACT with games the only change in the way we interacted with games from the time they were invented til now was just more buttons on the same controller that each company tried to shape differently to appear to be better than the competitions.
Then Nintendo makes not one but TWO systems that allow anyone smart enough to appreciate it for that a 'stupid gimmick' to play and interact with ideas and worlds on an entirely different level. Not just games but applications and even self improvement tools which became a huge new genre basically overnight all because of the DS.
So whats silly is that while everyone else strives to get to the 'end point' of games visually Nintendo and the few 3rd party developers that realize Nintendos approach is the right approach for a real 'next gen' experience bring new ground breaking ideas and experiments to the 2 Nintendo systems.
And if you dont know what I mean by end point that means once gaming tech reaches the point that our games are fully photorealistic and a screenshot from a game cant be told from a pic of real life what happens then? When we have games like that and thats the norm for graphics but we still interact with the worlds with a controller with a number of analog sticks and a plethora of buttons what then? What are the companies that focus solely on graphics and processing power gonna do when they cant advance those any further cause they cant look better than real?
Then do those companies see that Nintendo was right umpteen years ago and that new ways to play and interact with the games really was the future of the industry? Is it too late by then to save the giants if they make it that long?
I just wonder what ppl would say about the Wii if it had the power of the 360 and still had its own new things at the level they are now.
Well, where do I start here? First and foremost, you should be typing your stuff into MS Word before posting because your stuff is full of grammatical errors and run-on sentences. It makes it hard to read.
I think the best way to address all your concerns is in a bullet point format since that's how you formatted yours.
-The Wii is still new technology and like any new technology it takes awhile for 3rd parties to figure out what to do with it. NINTENDO IS NOT GOD! They are not the only company that can do things well, they are just more consistent.
-Truly innovative games in the last 5 years? I can name a few off the top of my head: Guitar Hero, Okami, World of Warcraft, Bioshock, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Resident Evil 4, Lumines, Burnout: Revenge, Final Fantasy XIII, GTA Vice City. FYI, Innovate means to take something that already exists and improve upon it, not invent something new.
-Many gamers miss the point of putting so much emphasis on graphics. The point of putting so much time into shiny and polished looking games is to attract new people that may not have been interested in video games before. Same goes for the movies and why they spend so much money on the CG, to get people outside their key demographic into the seats.
-About the Photorealism issue you mention, look at TV. We have the ability to show real people doing real things on TV yet there are still a great number of animated shows. The same thing will still apply once we have video game consoles capable of producing graphics that will have us guessing if it's real or animated.
Getting back to the OP topic...
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IMO Castlevania should just stick with Nintendo or Sony.
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IMO Castlevania should just stick with Nintendo or Sony.
I used to think that too, but it just doesn't make sense to put a CV game on the Wii or PS3--there's probably 2 people who own Xbox360s for every 1 that owns a Wii or PS3.
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In Reply To #83
CV will have to move onto those consoles eventually. The 360 won't be around forever.
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I used to think that too, but it just doesn't make sense to put a CV game on the Wii or PS3--there's probably 2 people who own Xbox360s for every 1 that owns a Wii or PS3.
Ummmmm, the Wii is now the market leader.
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In Reply To #82
Wii, I can understand but why Playstation?? I don't see why they wouldn't go to 360 since alot of console players have a 360, or rather, alot of USA, in which is where Castlevania is popular, own a 360.
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In Reply To #83
Yyyeeeeah, Wii sold more consoles than the 360. Hit that mark just little under a month ago.
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Ummmmm, the Wii is now the market leader.
Only by about 500,000 consoles worldwide. X360 still has the the lead over Wii in America by 2.4 million. I won't even mention how far behind the PS3 is.
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Dude the 360 was released way before ps3 and wii, of course it's gonna have more units sold. If wii or ps3 was released a year before 360 then everyone would be singing a different tune I'm sure.
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In Reply To #89
But isn't the point he was making just that the 360 currently has a wider range of players? ::)
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In Reply To #90
Fanboys don't care about facts.
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i like the fact how SOTN on the 360 came out pretty good, but change the graphics to original for better map quality.
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...The perfect 3D CV game would have to be composed of both the greatest qualities from both N64-vanias and PS2-vanias. For instance, make a greater sense of exploration and platforming layout like the N64-vanias, BUT keep the tight combat systems(combos) and character design of the PS2-vanias.
I've often stated this myself. Most ppl who's played both 3D styles will agree, I think.
Just put the two together and you could have something truly special and worthy of the franchise.