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Title: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 26, 2023, 11:07:33 PM
Looks like Nocturne is coming out on Netflix on Sept. 28.  They've got a new poster for it, and tomorrow we should get a trailer.

https://www.destructoid.com/castlevania-nocturne-premieres-in-september-netflix/ (https://www.destructoid.com/castlevania-nocturne-premieres-in-september-netflix/)
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: X on July 27, 2023, 12:48:05 AM
I have to wonder if Netflix thinks this is going to recoup their reputation after that whole Cleopatra debacle.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: eryson on July 27, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
Hoping that this season they avoid adding sexual themes.
I know about how the story have a mature theme and blablabla but not everything considered as "Mature" should be about it, and I hated how unfitty it can become.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Foffy on July 27, 2023, 02:05:16 PM
Trailer's out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5ODQ22REk) by the way. The first season looks like an original work, maybe a prequel season before we get to events similar to Rondo and Symphony?

The description calls it an "origin story" so it's not an adaptation of a game's scenario.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: X on July 27, 2023, 03:00:15 PM
Hmm. There are characters I don't recognize (obvious right?). And then there's that woman wielding the VK whip who gets killed by a vampire right in front of a young Richter. That is something that I'd have to disagree with. I know that this is nothing more then a teaser trailer and therefor information is limited, however Belmonts weren't trained to be done in by lesser vampires. They were taught to confront creatures that would break a person's spirit just from the mere sight of them (and that's not counting the mystic properties within their blood that gives them a supernatural leg up). It's why the Belmont family has endured for centuries while Dracula has failed time and time again. No doubt this was done to bring about some means of determination within Richter to confront the monster that killed his mother, but it doesn't feel necessary in this particular context. If they really wanted to make this scene convincing Richter's mother would've been ambushed by multiple high class vampires and their pets; ones that are just below Dracula's grade. Belmont's aren't invincible, I get that, however multiple vampires/monsters vs one Belmont would lend itself to be more believable then a single vampire vs Belmont.

Look at that. The series isn't out yet and I'm already taking a 'stab' at it, lol.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: GuyStarwind on July 27, 2023, 03:14:39 PM
Yeah, I wasn't too impressed. I'll still watch a little bit to be fair, but it wasn't doing it for me. Where is Shaft, is Richter going to save Annette, or is Dracula even in it? Obviously, it's not out, but I have concerns.

The trailer should've been like an updated version of this.
https://youtu.be/o076MlHKXL8

Also will they do this speech?
https://youtu.be/9gEGIT9anJ0
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: nokundhi on July 27, 2023, 03:51:13 PM
All the nice animation in the world is not going to save it if the character's talk like Joss Whedon muppets again.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Foffy on July 27, 2023, 04:05:07 PM
Hmm. There are characters I don't recognize (obvious right?). And then there's that woman wielding the VK whip who gets killed by a vampire right in front of a young Richter. That is something that I'd have to disagree with. I know that this is nothing more then a teaser trailer and therefor information is limited, however Belmonts weren't trained to be done in by lesser vampires. They were taught to confront creatures that would break a person's spirit just from the mere sight of them (and that's not counting the mystic properties within their blood that gives them a supernatural leg up). It's why the Belmont family has endured for centuries while Dracula has failed time and time again. No doubt this was done to bring about some means of determination within Richter to confront the monster that killed his mother, but it doesn't feel necessary in this particular context. If they really wanted to make this scene convincing Richter's mother would've been ambushed by multiple high class vampires and their pets; ones that are just below Dracula's grade. Belmont's aren't invincible, I get that, however multiple vampires/monsters vs one Belmont would lend itself to be more believable then a single vampire vs Belmont.

Look at that. The series isn't out yet and I'm already taking a 'stab' at it, lol.

The vampire who killed Richter's mother is Olrox. It looks like they're taking notable vampires in the series and having them fill in for the role of antagonist. The female countess is Elizabeth Bathory who is this arcs main villain.

They've also seriously redone some of these other characters. The female characters who fight in the trailers are the maidens from Rondo. Annette's had her race changed like Isaac (and given a similar backstory of oppression but this time by vampires in the Carribean) and the blonde woman doing Sypha spells is Tera. No Iris, it seems. I thought they were original characters, but no.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: theplottwist on July 27, 2023, 05:13:01 PM
The description calls it an "origin story" so it's not an adaptation of a game's scenario.

Time for the same "CURSE OF DARKNESS IS COMING, ANY MOMENT NOW!" situation again, where everything is already showing that there is no possible way for the thing to happen, yet everyone will be strung on the hope it happens.

As for the teaser: One of the teasers ever made. I honestly have no strong feelings either way. Although I commend the honesty in this one - it's no longer trying to pretend it's gonna be anything but its own thing with its own ideas. THAT gets me interested.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on July 27, 2023, 06:00:14 PM
Well, at least Samuel Deats-sama teased something interesting to me about the music...

https://twitter.com/Gunlord500/status/1684650390308937728

Granted one can't make too much of eye emojis, but still ;o
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Chernabogue on July 27, 2023, 06:01:58 PM
Well, at least Samuel Deats-sama teased something interesting to me about the music...

https://twitter.com/Gunlord500/status/1684650390308937728

Granted one can't make too much of eye emojis, but still ;o
Doing God's work
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: GuyStarwind on July 27, 2023, 06:57:58 PM
The vampire who killed Richter's mother is Olrox. It looks like they're taking notable vampires in the series and having them fill in for the role of antagonist. The female countess is Elizabeth Bathory who is this arcs main villain.

They've also seriously redone some of these other characters. The female characters who fight in the trailers are the maidens from Rondo. Annette's had her race changed like Isaac (and given a similar backstory of oppression but this time by vampires in the Carribean) and the blonde woman doing Sypha spells is Tera. No Iris, it seems. I thought they were original characters, but no.
Is there backing for this? I haven't kept up with this series information or anything, so I'm legit curious.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Foffy on July 27, 2023, 07:34:49 PM
Is there backing for this? I haven't kept up with this series information or anything, so I'm legit curious.

Netflix announced who is voicing what character on their website (https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/castlevania-nocturne-news-release-date). It's easy to piece who is what character based on that.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on July 27, 2023, 08:24:14 PM
The article also describes the characters in more depth, so yeah, we definitely know that Maria is still the same as her DXC incarnation, but Annette is now Afro-Caribbean, Tera is a magical fighter, and ofc Olrox himself is the other intimidating black dude who killed Femrichter lol.

Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Sindra on July 27, 2023, 08:27:57 PM
They seem to be using the plot points from Bloodlines and Aria for this initial season of Nocturne, it appears. Which I guess is okay, except it would make any plans for either of those stories (more probable is Aria, honestly) kinda shot.

I'm less impressed that they are taking sincere liberties with the maidens from Rondo, turning both Annette and Tera into magic users suddenly as if having Maria wasn't enough. Granted, I'm all for straying away from the "damsel in distress" trope, but it seems forced here.

However that pales in comparison to them showing us Richter's mother as this badass whip-wielding female Belmont, FINALLY after we've all been wanting another shot for one, only to kill her off for the sake of injecting trauma into yet another character's story where it wasn't needed. It feels like she's just this disposable character they made up with the purpose of fridging to make poor Richter angsty....because we all loved that when that was done in S3 of the OG series.  >:(


Anyway, those are my thoughts. Animation looks solid and I'll allow some of those liberties slide if this is meant to be a prequel to Rondo's story in season 2 and the story ends up being better than I'm fearing.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: GuyStarwind on July 27, 2023, 10:05:16 PM
Netflix announced who is voicing what character on their website (https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/castlevania-nocturne-news-release-date). It's easy to piece who is what character based on that.
Awesome. Thank you much.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: DarkLavos on July 27, 2023, 11:06:23 PM
Man they should just call that shit vampire hunters or something and stop any pretense it has anything to do with Castlevania at this point.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 28, 2023, 01:11:09 AM
Got super pumped towards the end there when Richter looked like he was about to unleash an item crash. 
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on July 28, 2023, 01:33:44 AM
They seem to be using the plot points from Bloodlines and Aria for this initial season of Nocturne, it appears. Which I guess is okay, except it would make any plans for either of those stories (more probable is Aria, honestly) kinda shot.

I'm less impressed that they are taking sincere liberties with the maidens from Rondo, turning both Annette and Tera into magic users suddenly as if having Maria wasn't enough. Granted, I'm all for straying away from the "damsel in distress" trope, but it seems forced here.

However that pales in comparison to them showing us Richter's mother as this badass whip-wielding female Belmont, FINALLY after we've all been wanting another shot for one, only to kill her off for the sake of injecting trauma into yet another character's story where it wasn't needed. It feels like she's just this disposable character they made up with the purpose of fridging to make poor Richter angsty....because we all loved that when that was done in S3 of the OG series.  >:(


Anyway, those are my thoughts. Animation looks solid and I'll allow some of those liberties slide if this is meant to be a prequel to Rondo's story in season 2 and the story ends up being better than I'm fearing.

I don't think they're taking that much from Aria, actually. If you're referring to the eclipse, there unironically and truly was one in 1792:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_September_16,_1792

"Weather conditions in some areas during the eclipse was unknown. The weather conditions for a part of western Europe including France was mainly cloudy and rainy. At the time, France was experiencing the French Revolution. "

Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: mgfcortez on July 28, 2023, 09:43:50 PM
I'm going to watch it but it will be trash, we can't get good Castlevania stories in a netshits show. it's already race swapping and making the male lead take a backseat and be weak. and we get some good old Marysue to be the main hero. the only overpowered female I will accept is Maria because she has always been overpowered. sure if they have these females earn their power. that I can accept. but why do they have to bait and switch. Nocturn makes all fans think of SOTN or DXC. we should get that story, and if it's a prequel how about show something like Richters dad teaching him raiding random Vampires to let his son get experience, or shit I even take his mom doing that and telling Richter she's sorry his father died, and she is doing her best to train him. but I can see that this will not lead into DX or SOTN I'm sure. maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I will watch it and hope it's not a woke pos.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: ForgemasterWolf on July 29, 2023, 01:03:36 AM
Honestly, this image sums up my whole feelings on the whole Netflix shows tbh.
https://i.imgur.com/ZuK8UEl.png

I am honestly bored with how much these video game adaptation don't feel like games they're adapting. The old show was just edgy reddit crap and this one seems to be Richter crying like a damn baby 24/7 within a world that seems like a pretentious version of Blade to be frank. I could be wrong... but I am 99.9% sure I am right. That 0.1% is just in case.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 29, 2023, 02:20:20 AM
As I said on the Discord server, I don't know what I was expecting or looking for, just that this trailer didn't deliver it.

Honestly, I think I may just not engage with this one. The original Netflix series was such an emotional roller coaster for me, and not the fun kind. I don't think I have it in me to do that a second time, so if it's not going to be a faithful adaptation, I'm most likely gonna just check out from the series this time.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on July 29, 2023, 02:37:46 AM
Honestly, this image sums up my whole feelings on the whole Netflix shows tbh.
https://i.imgur.com/ZuK8UEl.png

I am honestly bored with how much these video game adaptation don't feel like games they're adapting. The old show was just edgy reddit crap and this one seems to be Richter crying like a damn baby 24/7 within a world that seems like a pretentious version of Blade to be frank. I could be wrong... but I am 99.9% sure I am right. That 0.1% is just in case.

Eh...most of the edgy reddit crap in the first one came from Warren Ellis, so with him gone I'm feeling much more optimistic. As for 'Blade,' well, as I've said around here and elsewhere, African slaves did play a significant part in the French Revolution: The fate of the French crown and its nobility might have been completely different if they didn't have to worry about their holdings in places like Guadaloupe or Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). It's not like they're race-swapping for no reason whatsoever, given the time period they arguably have better reasons for the ethnicity changes than they did in the original.

Richter does seem to be 'softer' than he was in Rondo of Blood, but IMO they're going all in on his trauma to help explain how he was vulnerable to Shaft's corruption in SotN. From the trailer I don't think Richter seems weak at all--we see him punching straight through a vampire, blasting several away with his whip, and at the end unleashing an Item Crash. I can overlook a spot of crying lol. Sure, Tera and Annette seem much tougher than they were in the original games, but I don't think they're upstaging Richter.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: ForgemasterWolf on July 29, 2023, 09:43:21 AM
Eh...most of the edgy reddit crap in the first one came from Warren Ellis, so with him gone I'm feeling much more optimistic. As for 'Blade,' well, as I've said around here and elsewhere, African slaves did play a significant part in the French Revolution: The fate of the French crown and its nobility might have been completely different if they didn't have to worry about their holdings in places like Guadaloupe or Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). It's not like they're race-swapping for no reason whatsoever, given the time period they arguably have better reasons for the ethnicity changes than they did in the original.

Richter does seem to be 'softer' than he was in Rondo of Blood, but IMO they're going all in on his trauma to help explain how he was vulnerable to Shaft's corruption in SotN. From the trailer I don't think Richter seems weak at all--we see him punching straight through a vampire, blasting several away with his whip, and at the end unleashing an Item Crash. I can overlook a spot of crying lol. Sure, Tera and Annette seem much tougher than they were in the original games, but I don't think they're upstaging Richter.

The Blade comment was about the whole vampires actually running everything and hiding plane sight as we saw in the trailer, not about race.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on July 29, 2023, 12:54:14 PM
The Blade comment was about the whole vampires actually running everything and hiding plane sight as we saw in the trailer, not about race.

Ohhhhhhhhh. Haha, forgive me for the misinterpretation, how embarrassing of me XD Even in that case I don't think it's that far from Castlevania, though. In the trailer it seems the vampires are taking *some* pains to hide their presence, such as hiding behind the pretence of a masquerade ball where nobody could see their unmasked faces. In the CV series the vamps must have had some influence even on the mundane world--they're always manipulating cultists like Shaft or the lady from Dawn of Sorrow to revive Dracula, in 1999 the actual military had to launch an operation against Dracula but still somehow keep it from public knowledge. It doesn't seem beyond belief there could be a 'vampire conspiracy' in early modern France IMO :)
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Eric Roman on July 29, 2023, 08:47:30 PM
As with last year's teaser, I can't wait to find out how much of Rondo will go ignored.

(Not because I'm an asshole, but because of experience.)
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 30, 2023, 02:29:32 AM
As with last year's teaser, I can't wait to find out how much of Rondo will go ignored.

(Not because I'm an asshole, but because of experience.)

It is the manner and way of the Netflix Tribe.

Didn't even bother with Season 3 of The Witcher for that reason; Season 2 had less than 8 minutes of footage all around that was book accurate AND occurring at the right time in the story. Less "adaptation" and more "an original tale inspired by" at that point.

Though not having Warren Ellis write it almost assures a step up in quality.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Hayoam on August 09, 2023, 08:54:46 AM
They seem to be using the plot points from Bloodlines and Aria for this initial season of Nocturne, it appears. Which I guess is okay, except it would make any plans for either of those stories (more probable is Aria, honestly) kinda shot.

I'm less impressed that they are taking sincere liberties with the maidens from Rondo, turning both Annette and Tera into magic users suddenly as if having Maria wasn't enough. Granted, I'm all for straying away from the "damsel in distress" trope, but it seems forced here.

However that pales in comparison to them showing us Richter's mother as this badass whip-wielding female Belmont, FINALLY after we've all been wanting another shot for one, only to kill her off for the sake of injecting trauma into yet another character's story where it wasn't needed. It feels like she's just this disposable character they made up with the purpose of fridging to make poor Richter angsty....because we all loved that when that was done in S3 of the OG series.  >:(


Anyway, those are my thoughts. Animation looks solid and I'll allow some of those liberties slide if this is meant to be a prequel to Rondo's story in season 2 and the story ends up being better than I'm fearing.

With all due respect there is nothing wrong Damsel in Distress trope just like there is nothing wrong with a
badass tough female characters, creators gave us damsel in distress then damsel it is as there is plenty of Badass female characters in Castlevania both good and evil like Shanoa which one of my favourite characters in CV.
So by changing everything it isn't Castlevania anymore.

For me an adaptation is a seeing the characters I love live on screen telling the story of the games in much finer details without peoples agendas shoved down our throats.

Lords of Shadows is a Godsend compared to the trash adaptation we have now at least with los they didn't claim they are being authintic then ruin everything. Los was an original creation so it can be forgiven for alot of things, they also made Victor Belmont which is the most authentic thing ever about los I loved it.

All in all it will fail and I'm not gonna bother because it seems like a bad fanfic.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: ForgemasterWolf on August 09, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
So far, it seems that most people aren't too excited about it, well at least from what I saw from people my circles on Twitter and the people on this forum so far. I wonder if the overall opinion has been changing on the adaptations with time, or if it has to do with the popularity of Rondo of Blood/Dracula X Chronicles and many more people playing Symphony of the Night.

Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on August 09, 2023, 06:06:53 PM
People here are a tough crowd to please when it comes to authenticity. Given the age of this site, nearly everyone who's still around is an expert in the intricacies of Castlevania lore going back for decades. Now, we tend to be a mature bunch so small departures from the lore can be excused, but larger ones like Netflix seem prone to get on our nerves.

As you guys can tell I'm personally very excited about the series, despite being a (comparatively) 'old hand' around here as well, but that has as much to do with my personality as anything else--like I implied above I did do a bit of study into Caribbean slavery when I was younger, so seeing it portrayed in a setting that makes a bit of sense (the French Revolution, i.e by extension the early-modern French colonial empire) very much tickles my fancy, enough that I can overlook the departures from Castlevania canon.

I wouldn't say the overall opinion has changed that much--IIRC the first season was well received here, but folks didn't take well to the later ones, especially given some of the, er, edginess. Like I said, we're a mature crowd, but that stuff went over the line for many of us, and I recall having to cool down a few arguments over the subject. If you're seeing the same sentiments on Twitter, I'd say it probably has to do with the popularity of Rondo/Symphony. Symphony is one of those games that had an impact even outside its typical fanbase; even people who don't like Castlevania acknowledge its influence on video game aesthetic history thanks to Yamane and Kojima's work. So a larger audience would be eyeing the new adaptation with a more critical eye. Though I must add that while my personal circle of acquaintances matches your experience, the larger, general-anime-fan-audience I've seen on Twitter seems to be unabashedly enthusiastic in their reaction to the trailer.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 09, 2023, 11:38:32 AM
Got another trailer.  The show is almost here, woot.  Nice to hear a recognizable tune too.

https://www.theverge.com/23863001/netflix-castlevania-nocturne-trailer-early-digital-release-twitch (https://www.theverge.com/23863001/netflix-castlevania-nocturne-trailer-early-digital-release-twitch)

Sigh, Maria calling Richter an ungrateful wanker.  I won't let that get me down though and just enjoy the new world they've created.  I guess peppy Maria just doesn't fit here.

Aww yeah, Richter tossing a dozen daggers into a vampire.  Maybe not as vigorous as a 1,000 Blades, but I still feel that. 

Oh, and there's also a new poster out of Richter and Maria.  You'd almost forget the other three "damsels" are now warriors in their own right (wonder what it'd be like to play a game as one of them).  Having the core four from Dracula's Curse was simply too much for the first series, but now they don't have a problem with five (unless I miscounted).  Hope they're well developed at any rate.

https://collider.com/castlevania-nocturne-poster/ (https://collider.com/castlevania-nocturne-poster/)
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: X on September 09, 2023, 03:08:04 PM
Quote
Sigh, Maria calling Richter an ungrateful wanker.

This sounds like the first of many more 'not-welcomed' issues to come (not counting the contents of the trailer we saw). And I have no doubt that they'll have one of the female characters kill Dracula simply because 'reasons', and Richter will be tossed aside simply because 'reasons'. I'm calling it now.

Bets anyone?
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 09, 2023, 05:18:13 PM
I'm sure at the very least Richter will be the glue who holds everyone else together.

Ah, another video with some video commentary from the directors and other production members.  I like how they flesh out Drolta in this show.  I could almost imagine this series being the background for the events of Bloodlines.  Guess the female guise of Death in the previous series isn't Drolta after all, unless this Drolta is also Death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmEpM-mCaI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmEpM-mCaI)

All and all, I'd like to thank these creators and the creators of all Castlevania media for bringing us these works of art rather than nitpick the disappointments (which still do sting a bit) and am happy to see their visions come to life.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Kamirine on September 11, 2023, 05:17:05 PM
This sounds like the first of many more 'not-welcomed' issues to come (not counting the contents of the trailer we saw). And I have no doubt that they'll have one of the female characters kill Dracula simply because 'reasons', and Richter will be tossed aside simply because 'reasons'. I'm calling it now.

Bets anyone?

Tbh, I don’t think they are even doing an adaption of the Rondo as a story, like at all.  Just using the characters (and music) from the game. Elizabeth Bartley seems to be the main villain of the season instead of Dracula in any case, so he may not even show up at all for anyone to be able to defeat.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 12, 2023, 12:29:36 AM
I think they want to do a prequel to Rondo of Blood.  Well, an alternate universe version of that game anyways.  So I can still imagine him fighting Dracula in another season.  But it is quite possible he never shows up again in this universe, or if he does, he's some kind of anti-hero.  Gotta wonder if Simon or Christopher ever fought him in this timeline or even existed though. I'll keep my eyes open about any possible references to them ha.  We did get a painting of Leon Belmont after all.  Maybe we'll get to the point that we're convinced he's out of the picture, and then SURPRISE, there he is.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: konamiesque on September 12, 2023, 09:56:04 AM
Castlevania: Nocturne has become an adaptational Ship of Theseus at this point. So much of the story has been changed, moved around, or cut out altogether that it's debatable if the show can even be called "Castlevania" anymore at this point.

And I'm sorry, but the idea that this is going to be a Rondo of Blood prequel is just pure fucking copium. They've already introduced characters and concepts from completely different points in the Castlevania timeline for Nocturne (Elizabeth Bathory, the eclipse), they clearly don't give a shit about the games' continuity and are only doing whatever they think is cool/interesting.

If you're okay with Netflixvania being its own separate thing from the games and enjoy it nonetheless, then fine, good for you. But personally, I'm sick of someone's original story in a Belmont skinsuit taking up so much of the conversation around Castlevania.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 12, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
I do have to wonder what the animated series post season 1 would have been like if Iga was still at the helm.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: ForgemasterWolf on September 17, 2023, 01:24:50 PM
I do have to wonder what the animated series post season 1 would have been like if Iga was still at the helm.

If IGA was still at the helm of the series, it would have never seen the light of day. After 8 rewrites until the first movie/season 1 got "passable" and then the project was dead in the water until Kevin Kolde and Adi Shankar revived the project after IGA left Konami. While IGA never said a thing publicly so far (to my knowledge), we do have something from his best buddy Curry the Kid. He just gave non-answers on his AMA thread when asked if the show captured the feel of the games. Even then, very rarely do creators just go out and criticize or openly say they didn't like adaptations of their works. The only one that comes to mind is Alan Moore.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: X on September 17, 2023, 03:19:57 PM
Even silence is as much an answer as anything else. If IGA said nothing then I think he might be feeling disappointed with the Netflix adaptions as well.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 19, 2023, 10:45:32 PM
Some more posters.
https://noisypixel.net/castlevania-nocturne-character-posters/
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 20, 2023, 10:01:59 PM
Hey, Richter Belmont took over Times Square.

https://comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/castlevania-nocturne-times-square-netflix-anime/
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on September 20, 2023, 11:17:50 PM
That is a cool ad :D :D
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Flame on September 26, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
I've always been pretty forgiving about artistic liberty, as long as i enjoy the ultimate work.

I can't say I'm feeling any which way about this tbh. If this is setting up rondo, im not sure why they felt it was needed, other than to drag out Richter's arc. Which means most of the season will be original, which is ok, but yknow, why bother then. Might as well take some of the side Belmonts who dont have a lot going on and use them for original stories. if its just a massively deviated Rondo, then Im not sure I get that either.

I get the feeling that they simply don't want to keep using Dracula unlike the games, because it cheapens him as a character. it's something you can get away with in an NES/SNES game series with little story, based on old B movies which themselves had really loose continuity, with belmonts all being pretty interchangeable, but when you have a proper narrative structure, it becomes kind of an issue to bring him back after you've already written him in a specific way and kind of ended his arc. Which is their own fault if they wrote themselves into that corner. I wonder if they will find a way to shoehorn Dracula into what so far, seems like a plot devoid of him.

my guess is they'll instead find a way to convolute him back in a Symphony adaptation. hell, with how they changed death, and with Death showing up in Symphony in the way he does, I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a greater role in that. Some plot between Shaft and Death.

Either way, we'll see how this goes.

also it has to be said

It's not like they're race-swapping for no reason whatsoever, given the time period they arguably have better reasons for the ethnicity changes than they did in the original.
They raceswap because it's Netflix. A California based production company, with all that implies and carries with it. If there is not at least one (or more) raceswapped significant character(s) or subversive element (such as religion bashing) it just wont get made at all.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: zangetsu468 on September 26, 2023, 08:17:53 PM
Legends say they’ll break the 4th wall by resurrecting Richard Pryor to play Dracula… 🦇 🕯️ ⚰️ 🕯️ 🦇 #DracWash
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 28, 2023, 12:57:22 AM
First seven minutes are up on youtube for those who don't want to wait a day or don't have Netflix.  Sweet stuff imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWOsjEmxzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWOsjEmxzs)
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Gunlord on September 29, 2023, 02:15:13 AM
Anybody here watched it yet? I don't have netflix :cry:
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: X on September 29, 2023, 03:02:00 AM
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Legends say they’ll break the 4th wall by resurrecting Richard Pryor to play Dracula… 🦇 🕯️ ⚰️ 🕯️ 🦇 #DracWash

This already sounds better then anything Netflix could do. Besides we already have Blacula, the blacksploitation flick from the good 'ol 70s  ;)

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Anybody here watched it yet? I don't have netflix :cry:

No. I haven't. I find it's best not to cry over milk that's gone sour before it even spilt.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: The Puritan on September 29, 2023, 04:07:33 AM
Finished Nocturne. I hated it at first. You all know how Netflix Netflixes in terms of their leanings and worldview, and let's just say it's little different here. It was annoying and kept me from enjoying the entire first half. I was pretty close to dropping this because just about everything I hated about the first series had carried over.

Then something happened near the end of episode 5 that brought me right back. Bridged right into Richter becoming the badass we know and love. Almost everything went uphill after that and culminated with a cliffhanger. Now I'm as hype as I remember being at the end of Season 1 of the first series.

That said, I've been down this road before. So for now, I'll just be satisfied with Nocturne's first outing and be prepared to hate what comes next.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Kamirine on September 29, 2023, 11:32:22 AM
Watched it.  I have a lot of thoughts and will rewatch it again so I can articulate said thoughts properly without going on knee jerk reactions.  Overall though, I’ll go with cautiously optimistic and it helps that it’s its own story instead of trying to be an adaption of Rondo (or some really odd adaptation of Bloodlines starring Ritcher instead of John and Eric, lmao).
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: xscientist5000 on September 29, 2023, 11:48:05 PM
It had it's moments - but I'm not a fan of most of the characters. They don't seem to have much chemistry together. 
As the person above said, it got the Netflix treatment - Heavily. Could have done without a lot of the back stories that basically felt nothing like Castlevania.
I kept hoping to get that SOTN feeling but it never came.
Came out of it feeling like I left a lecture.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: GuyStarwind on September 30, 2023, 12:48:14 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure I'll watch it, but I am curious. I'll probably just look at clips and read spoilers.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 30, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
I'm on episode 5.
Seems to be doing a lot of world building and backstory

I like that it shows Richter's mom and the fact that he's either french or American.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Belmontoya on September 30, 2023, 02:48:02 PM
I came super close to putting it on in the background while I work on music n stuff yesterday.

I decided to put on that Physical 100 show instead. Haha

Guess I'm just not a belieber of this new take on Richter yet.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: VladOfWallachia on September 30, 2023, 06:22:57 PM
Saw the first three episodes, and I like it so far. I've always liked the art and animation of this series, and this season looks great. The writing feels different enough under the new writer, and the new setting and characters are a breath of fresh air. Definitely what the series needed after season 3.

I know a lot of you guys here hate how much the  Netflix Vania deviates from the source material, but I mind that less as long as they are telling a good story, and so far I'm far more invested in the first three episodes than I ever was at any point in season 3.

I'll continue to watch more, good first impression for sure.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 30, 2023, 07:26:04 PM
Is the animation any better than seasons 3 and 4 of the original series? I'm going through those seasons for the first time and it's really noticeable how much CGI-made-to-look-like-handrawn-art is used, especially in S4 where it's outrageously ugly at times. It looks and feels cheap, and I've seen speculation online that it was due to COVID in season 4's case. S1 was so deliciously animated, it's surprising how progressively worse the art and animation gets the more popular the series became.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: VladOfWallachia on September 30, 2023, 09:58:48 PM
I remembered this wrong, I was talking about season 3 in my last post but I meant 4... honestly, the storylines in those last two seasons felt so underwhelming to me that I already forgot these basic details. I don't know how this Nocturne season will turn out but I already like it a lot more than 3+4.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Aridale on October 01, 2023, 01:25:35 AM
Just watched all the episodes... not a fan at all. The animation is pretty great but the framing is pretty terrible at times and the story and writing is just awful. Richter is a sidekick for like half the season... it has absolutely zero to do with either game hes in or even anything in those games... like wtf
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Sindra on October 01, 2023, 08:36:08 PM
Watched all of it. It's basically high-production fanfiction.

It's not an adaptation (or if they're trying to make it be, it's a really bad one), but rather true to its "Base on Castlevania" even moreso in this new series than in the original Netflix show. It's a whole lot of socio-economic politics w/ vampires in a thin Castlevania shell. It feels like it would be better branded as an story in the Vampire the Masquerade world.

Animation is good, but I feel like there are more instances of quality drop that are glossed-over by flashy FX to make it seem more seemless than it actually is. That could just me being nitpicky though. Environment illustrations and still images are still very high-quality and some of the best shots.

The story is all over the place. They just inject all this weird fluff into the world for no reason other than to pad interest, but without having enough interesting game-relevant content to balance it out. That's why I say I see it like high-budget fanfiction. Hate what they did with most of the game-based characters, except Olrox where they actually made him interesting.

Watch and drawn your own conclusions though. These are just mine.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 02, 2023, 09:09:47 PM
Two episodes in and it's pretty crap, and then I get to the singing burial and feel like shutting this shit off for good, lol. This is boring.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: GuyStarwind on October 04, 2023, 12:16:59 PM
I just watched most of the last castlevania episode... yeah I'm glad I didn't commit to it. Again, I watched most of the last episode and all I thought was "what in the hell am I watching?" Maria using f words (instead of "good always wins" in a baby voice"), black Annette (look why not make a new character?), random enemies that I question why not use some more familiar ones, no Dracula, no giant castle, and for some reason making the Rondo Maidens fighters...

I mean Richter and Maria look good and it's cool to see Richter using Juste Belmont powers... but not enough to save it.

If you liked it, more power to you. I just wasn't into it.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 04, 2023, 06:01:35 PM
I was so impressed by the animation in season one, it was near anime quality for a western show. It's really gross how much CGI painted like handdrawn art is used in this show now. Season four was absolutely the worst offender (so far; I'm only on episode three of Nocturne now), but it's bizarre that they keep relying on this "technique." It looks bad, and in the case of this scene, it's not even a very complicated shot like an action scene where it's somewhat (maybe) justified. I think the animators used it for emphasis, but it looks rotten.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Jeepy on October 04, 2023, 10:41:59 PM
Yep, I'm done with this show made by antifans and liars, which misunderstands and misrepresents the source material and its themes and characters. I knew I probably wouldn't like it, but after giving it a watch, Nocturne proved that Ellis was just a part of the problem.

I'm starting to miss pachislots. At least those looked like Castlevania and provided some good new music.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 05, 2023, 06:13:05 AM
Halfway through (I watch every episode twice, once per day).  Been happy with most the decisions they made, after taking a little time to "get used to" some of the changes.  Seems to me they took the idea of four women locked up in Dracula's Castle and just remixed that theme heavily within the parameters set for the show, so it still works as a semi-adaptation of Rondo of Blood for me.  Loved seeing Olrox "float around" like Joachim Armster.  Wonder if he'll take on any more of his attributes later in the show. I am still disappointed they haven't shown a truly pious person in a positive light so far though. I do find myself somewhat sympathetic for their point of view though and at least they don't seem like complete monsters.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Sindra on October 05, 2023, 08:29:40 PM
I am still disappointed they haven't shown a truly pious person in a positive light so far though. I do find myself somewhat sympathetic for their point of view though and at least they don't seem like complete monsters.

If Mizrak dies, I'm going to be irked. It actually like him.
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Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 07, 2023, 12:31:43 PM
Season 2 has been confirmed.

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/castlevania-nocturne-renewed-season-2-netflix-1235747364/
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Eric Roman on October 07, 2023, 09:05:34 PM
Darn, more lies. 

Ah well.
Title: Elon Musk
Post by: crisis on October 07, 2023, 11:30:52 PM
The show isn’t that bad. They’ve taken a lot of creative liberties but that was expected. It’s not 100% faithful to the source material but it’s close enough & more importantly recognizable, as opposed to Lords of Shadow which only vaguely resembled Castlevania. Any other studio in charge would’ve took their own creative liberties as well so I don’t know why any of you are surprised. I recall back when IGA was still in charge there were fans that disliked the direction he was taking with the games so this is par for the course. It’s more like “Rondo of Blood Remix Edition” and I’m okay with that. They had to add more lore to make it fleshed out. I like how they depict the Belmont clan as vampire hunters, since in the games we barely kill any vampires, just hordes of demons*. Of course there’s decisions that I would’ve done differently but you can say that about literally anything. Seeing an elderly Juste was a pleasant surprise. One thing’s for sure, though, a live action adaptation would’ve been far worse.


*on the topic of the demons, some of them have some truly wicked designs, very creepy. Wish they put up more of a fight though. Also, which I’m sure will happen in season 2, we see more recognizable demons from the games.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: AlexCalvo on October 09, 2023, 01:40:52 PM
Annette feels like a self insert fanfic Mary Sue. I have no issue with adding to the character, or changing their race in this case, or a lot of changes... but they literally just made her perfect, clearly the most powerful AND skilled character in the show, with the most backstory, the most kills, and most knowledge about everything going on. We literally have this random character who shows up explaining to Richter Belmont what night creatures are... That's a no from me. And what was with Olrox just blatantly standing out in the sun when he met Mizark? I thought vampires couldn't do that. There was some stuff to like, as its own original thing it's not terrible, just suffers what a lot of modern stories suffer, a "perfect" essentially OC character showing everyone else up. Also the eventual forced chemistry between her and Richter comes out of nowhere and is not at all believable.
Title: AlexCalvo
Post by: crisis on October 09, 2023, 04:16:35 PM
You make some valid points. I guess Orlox not burning up in sunlight was overlooked by the writers, or maybe he’s so powerful that a spell prevents him from being affected? Who knows.

I don’t know what’s going to happen when they adapt Symphony of the Night. Shaft will probably appear, but will Richter be possessed? Who knows how they’re going to change up that narrative.
Title: Re: Nocturne release date announced
Post by: Foffy on October 10, 2023, 05:52:02 PM
I think a good deal of the emphasis on Annette is because unlike Maria and Richter, she's being seen as a major character in the story, so I can understand some emphasis on someone who, besides her name, is a completely original character. I don't mind the backstory and the mysticism behind her powers being an episode. The issue is they only had 8 episodes, and the first half is just building the cast. I think we can all agree this show is trying to do a lot with a small amount of time.

By trying to have five main protagonists of importance (Richter, Maria, Tera, Annette, and Edouard) and eight episodes, it's going to flow poorly. Add Orlox, Emmanuel, and Erzebeth and you can see this is just stacked with characters in a runtime that can't cover it. This is a show that clearly needed twelve episodes. Not even the main antagonist has been covered well by explaining her power and motivations. I feel this is similar to season 3 of the previous show, but that had the reverse problem: nothing of note happens until the final few episodes because it's a filler season trying to explain and build up Carmilla and Isaac who are not the main protagonists. Nothing of note can actually happen until the final few episodes here because they have to explain who everybody is. The coolest moments were when Juste and Alucard appeared, and those were straight to the point. I already know for sure they didn't have time to build Juste up because there's just no time to fill it in, which is why they're already talking about more of him being in season 2.

You could tell they were pressed for time when so many episodes had characters meeting up with an amazing coincidence. Annette trailing Drolta and she just happens to find her vampire slave owner in the same random ass graveyard? It comes off as Saturday morning cartoon conflict resolution.