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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Vermanubis on June 16, 2008, 11:07:03 PM
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They're like the tourists of the gaming world. They're ignorant, they herd like cattle and they destroy our games.
I'm personally tired of this wave of mediocrity in the video game world. When a hardcore gamer sees a game, they see the art and passion put into it, but when a casual gamer (casual can also be substituted with "retard".) picks up a game, they don't see anything but generic, soulless merriment, like Wii Fit, Guitar Hero or some crap.
As long as these boobs of society continue to flock to video games because they're just OMG SO KEWL, the publishers and developers will keep perpetuating the cycle of mediocrity to earn the money, rather than the respect of their loyal fans.
Nintendo, mainly, are the ones responsible of this. Dumbing down all of their franchises and ripping the soul out of them, just so Mr. Retard Gamer doesn't have to think too hard to get the game, and plus Nintendo can accentuate the Wii's gimmicks guilt free.
/Rant
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On the contrary, I feel Mario Galaxy is one of the best Mario's ever made. Never before has their been so much variety in level design and interaction. I was constantly wowed with each new thing I did or level I played.
It also didn't look and sound bad either. ;)
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Really?
I despised it ._.
It became too repetitive, and simple. The level designs felt very...aimless and chaotic for my tastes. It didn't have any exploration factors to it, it was too linear for it's level design and size.
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art...i always hate that argument. video games(hence the freakin name) are designed have fun with, not to be stared at.
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I just feel the casual gaming revolution is what is killing the old gaming industry and pushing old fans away.
I really don't care how many gimmicks the Wiimote has, I just want a good solid game, that I can spend 50$ on without regret. So far the Wii has impressed me with nothing but Brawl, RE: Umbrella Chronicles and Mariokart Wii.
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In Reply To #5
Many view it as an art form.
I view Castlevania, Final Fantasy, Tales series, Contra and many other series artwork.
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Perhaps this will explain more in depth what I am talking about.
http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html
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So far the Wii has impressed me with nothing but Brawl, RE: Umbrella Chronicles and Mariokart Wii.
You should play No More Heroes.
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I just feel the casual gaming revolution is what is killing the old gaming industry and pushing old fans away.
In many ways this is true. Companies dumb down games to reach a wider more accesible audience. I think we're going to have to deal with it for now.
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Well, video game developing is a business after all. They want to make money. It's part of reality, so we have no choice but to accept it. >.<
Not all casual gamers are retards, either. That's a hasty generalization and an example of elitist behavior, imo. :P
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I just feel the casual gaming revolution is what is killing the old gaming industry and pushing old fans away.
The trick is to make a game that's tough as nails, fun and addicting, like the original castlevania to pull casual and hardcore players in. If the game is made well enough difficulty doesn't matter, Halo is a good example while it's not really my bag everybody got into it, even people who had never been hardcore before and once you got into it the race to beat it on legendary began so you could brag to all your friends and show off your stats online. Doom is another good example.
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So far the Wii has impressed me with nothing but Brawl, RE: Umbrella Chronicles and Mariokart Wii.
Wow, I hate all 3. Anyway, I also dislike the Wii, and haven't found any games that I think really belong on it... except for the basic Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, etc.
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In Reply To #12
You are nothing more than a casual gamer yourself! :o
You claim to be one BIG, BIG fan of castlevania, yet you are always talking BS.
You say that new games such as SSBB or other games are crap because they are nothing like Castlevania.
You're just going ahead buying all the other castlevania games because you say you are "addicted" to the series.
THAT IS BS!
"Oh gee whiz, I sure am addicted to CV and CV only Mom."
You are nothing more than a poser and a CASUAL gamer yourself.
I despised these new kinds of gamers.
It's like the new hip thing to pick up some random game that looks exciting just to fit in.
Jesus Christ.....
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In Reply To #13
I don't approve of your name, nor your random acusations. If don't have anything to say that is both logical and can be supported by fact, then keep your worthless arguements to yourself. FYI, I have actual reaons not to like those games and Wii. You think that simply because I say I don't like a few games, that just happen to not revolve around Castlevania, I don't like them just for that reason? Did you even bother to ask why I did not like those games, or any others that I don't like? Did it even occur to you that I DO in fact have gaming interests besides Castlevania? Didn't think so, buddy. Next time get your facts straight.
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What is this? Who dares insult CVFan13? Lo, who is this mockery that is CVFan18? He will be tormented, and dealt with accordingly. He knows not what he speaks of. Do not pay any attention to his misleading words.
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In Reply To #13
BUT ENOUGH TALK! HAVE AT YOU!
*teleports from throne to random place*
THIS CANNOT BE!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i was defeated.
Seriously, what a douche.
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In Reply to All,
Mods can see multiple accounts. Just letting everyone know, m'kay?
"Let's keep it clean, now come out Boxing" -Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!!"
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Video games aren't that serious. They're GAMES. No matter how HD the graphics and sound get, how intricate the stories are, they're still GAMES. Do you take Monopoly this seriously? In all, I'd rather play something considered "casual" and have a good time than grit my teeth trying to get thru some overwrought Final Fantasy game. :P
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In Reply To #16
Yeah, he is. But Jorge's right, Mister Imitation. Be careful how you put others down.
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IMO Games should be considered an Art form, however they differ substantially from Film/Music/paintings due to their interactivity.
Because everybody enjoys doing something different of course we're gonna come to the conclusion that some games are simply "Rubbish".
While I Agree that companies like EA are notorious for delivering repackaged tat because it sells to the masses I also see them releasing games like battlefield that I personally wouldn't consider "Casual" ( how can it be a casual game when you have to configure practially every button on your keyboard to do something?)
I also agree that the Wii is very very casual, though in Nintendo's defence they have lost quite substantially in the last 2 console wars. I feel although they're producing gimmicky stuff at the moment they need to... they're back on top again since the days of the Snes( I felt one more loss and they may do a SEGA ) and need to pull in that userbase to get onto firm ground once again.
I don't expect anything other than party and gimmicky sports games for a long while on the wii yet, though I do think maybe towards the end of its life or in the next generation we will see the return of some proper classics for the veterans.
Once they have a firm base of casual users I believe we will see the conversion of a lot of folk to things like contra/metal slugs and good old shmups.
They could do a lot better to keep us hardcore happy in the meantime though, the foundation is there in Wiiware and the VC but at the moment theres not much there that I want or can't already emulate for free on the PC.
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I had a former coworker whose only preferred form of gaming was anything with competition in it.
He said I could never be a hardcore gamer because I never played competitive games and there was nothing I could sit down and in five minutes "Pwn the shit out of someone." (Personally I hate multiplayer because of dicks like this guy)
This was a kid who had never heard of Starfox, stared blankly at a customer when he asked if the Konami Code would be in Contra 4, and only plays shooters and racing games.
I'd say that people who only stay on one game, or one type of game (ie Racing or the Cookie Cutter Shooter) are the casual gamers. If all you can do is sit in your little dark corner of the basement and play one game over and over and cringe at the idea of exploration into other areas, you're a casual.
Also, as far as the Wii's concerned. Yeah it's a casual game system, but it's single-player games can be pretty hardcore. Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Okami, Dragon Blade, Fire Emblem...
And I think hardcore gamers can and SHOULD sit back and appreciate some casual games. When I want to game but don't want to get too deep into story like with Lost Odyssey or something, I'll load up the Sims 2 or a short run with Wii Fit. Something easy you don't have to put a whole lot of thought into just to help take the stress of of the desire for actual progress in another game.
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Again I reiterate that I think Mario Galaxy proved the value of the purchase of the Wii (and am thinking more and more that Mario Kart Wii did too).
Unfortunately, I still haven't seen this revolution in gaming the Wii was supposed to bring. Either developers just aren't getting it, or Nintendo made it so hard to program accurate response with the thing that only they can do it.
I heard the Wii-mote is based off comparing 2 spots in virutal space to understand where you're pointing,turning the thing (probably having to do with the two sensors on the bar). That doesn't sound right to me. There should be more feedback than that. Maybe when I'm swinging the thing and it doesn't register -- well now I know why. The nunchuk also needs something other than a gyroscope to detect things.
It has alleviated or enhanced some areas, like Metroid Prime 3's excellent feel for Samus' arm cannon. In truth it's very hard to go back to the other Prime games and move the thing around with the analog. Mario Galaxy had less to do with the capabilities of the Wii and more to do with excellent level design and scenario concepts, but the mote did add a noticeable amount of interaction within its world. And Mario kart is that much better online.
But where are these promised 1-1 swordplay -- you know so that when I swing the damn thing it registers exactly that way for the sword in the game. Where's the official sports titles that could really put such mechanics to great use, and how come any that've tried often failed in some way? I want the nunchuk to be my shield or backup weapon; I want the Wii mote to be my physical-world connection to the onscreen events. I'll say it right now, the closest we ever got to this was Metroid Prime 3 and Wii Sports! (And maybe the rolly-ball thing in Mario Galaxy). This is a problem.
I want companies to stop being such pussies -- I don't give a fuck if they think it will tire us out. At least give us the damn OPTION -- the possibility of playing this way. The Wii has potential but everyone's afraid to use it right.
(On a side note, I'm keeping my eye on Conduit: it looks to get some good mileage outta the mote)
But, to be honest, I'm not impressed with any of these systems, and feel they still haven't delivered the next evolution in gaming.
Wii's at least trying to break the mold, but it's got a long way to go where third parties are concerned about programming for it.
/rant
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In Reply To #21
God, I know what you mena, Clara. I hate it when people are so arrogant that they think the only purpose of games is to "Pwn the shit out of ther people". Games dont need to be multiplayer.
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In Reply To #21
As much as I hate super competitive dicks, I miss playing multiplayer games. At least multiplayer where the other person is in the same room. Online multiplayer can suck a big one. :P
Wii's at least trying to break the mold, but it's got a long way to go where third parties are concerned about programming for it.
/rant
3rd parties have NEVER programmed as well for Nintendo's hardware as Nintendo has itself. The Game Cube might be an exception more recently, but the N64, DS, and Wii are all cases of this. Yes there are great 3rd party games on these systems, but very seldom do they take great advantage of the gimmicky hardware stuff.
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I've been totally dissapointed with Wii games. The only thing that really makes the Wii worth while for me is the online virtual console games. Which is bad considering that means that the Wii is only good for non-Wii games! Twilight Princess was crap compared to Ocarina of Time, Soul Calibur Legends totally sucked, and as for Metroid Prime 3, well, I prefer the original Metroid style 2-D side scroller games. Dare I say it-Nintendo has dissapointed me. :'(
However, I did enjoy party games like Wario Ware and Rayman Raving Rabids. I remember getting the Gamecube after years of N64 gameplay. It was so amazing-like-"Holy crap, this is freakin' awesome!"
The Wii was like that for about half an hour of Wii sports, then it was like, "Hey, let's go play Smash Bros. Melee!"
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I agree Gimph ;-;
Nintendo has shirked their prior greatness, and rejected the thought of video games being art forms (Which they truly are, the art, the interaction, the stories, the music, how could you NOT consider this an art form?) just so they could appeal to a wider audience.
Every franchise that was once great is now crap, Twilight Princess was horrible, it was easy, simple and repetitive, but pretty, Mario Galaxy was the same as Twilight Princess, and Metroid Prime 3, *sigh* biggest let down of them all. Easy, short, boring, and the exploration factors were severely lacking.
Also, I am a highly competitive gamer, but I don't act it. I love every sort of game; you name it, I've probably played it and loved it.
But the fact of the matter is, because of the ignorant masses flocking to Nintendo because of temporarily satisfying gimmicks, that Nintendo will perpetually dish out mediocre titles and gradually degenerate, along with the rest of the video game industry.
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In Reply To #26
How about Wizards & Warriors? :o
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In reply to #13 & #16
That IP matches New Dracula's IP, cut the crap and quit impersonating someone else, grow some balls and confront said person under your own name.
PS: Multiple accounts aren't allowed on the boards.
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:o
Looks like you better come forward and "defend" yourself.
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In Reply To #21
3rd parties have NEVER programmed as well for Nintendo's hardware as Nintendo has itself...
This is true, but it seems worse with the Wii. Nintendo istelf seems to be the only one that really understands how to make the Wii-mote fun.
Exceptions are: Zack and Wiki and the recent zapper games like Resident Evil: Unbrella Chronicles (both CAPCOM), but that's kinda a given use for the thing.
Of what I've seen of Conduit, it seems there's hope on the horizon, but even Camelot's We Golf came out wrong - and they make Hot Shots!.
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In Reply To #28
WHAT?! New Dracula... I'm... shocked. I didn't know you really felt that way.... coward!
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Every franchise that was once great is now crap, Twilight Princess was horrible, it was easy, simple and repetitive, but pretty, Mario Galaxy was the same as Twilight Princess, and Metroid Prime 3, *sigh* biggest let down of them all. Easy, short, boring, and the exploration factors were severely lacking.
Twilight Princess was NOT easy, that 99 room dungeon was insane, fighting those 3 armored giants at the end is pure luck. OOT was way easier than TP, there wasn't anything like that that required mad skill in OOT. Mario Galaxy I've only played a little of but from what I've played it's great. Metroid I haven't played yet but as long as it's not easier than the first prime I'll be happy with it. I can't wait for another sidescroller metroid personally, maybe for the ds. The prime games were great but I'm ready for another oldschool style one.
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In Reply To #32
What? Metroid Prime was easy?
I don't remember this at all. Every boss the game threw at you took quick refelxes and skill. Pirates could sneak behind you easily, also. Even some of the lesser enemies had to be dodged quickly.
That game was great to me because I never felt safe. With every new door I opened I was horrified I'd run into those gangly missle-launching bastards again; especially the flying ones.
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Metroid Prime 3's still got that "omg what's around the corner" sensation.
The first time the power went out in the Metroid Lab I was going "Oh shit oh shit oh shit" the entire way out. Meanwhile, I got pirates AND hordes of Metroids coming at me left and right.
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In Reply To #32
What? Metroid Prime was easy?
I don't remember this at all. Every boss the game threw at you took quick refelxes and skill. Pirates could sneak behind you easily, also. Even some of the lesser enemies had to be dodged quickly.
It does take skill but once you get used to the 3d aspect and master using all the different visors, no more I'd say than the original or super. That's what I love about Metroid all the games take skill and patience.
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Twilight Princess had one difficult aspect; The Cave of Trials.
All the dungeons were insanely simple, and the enemies were...lol. They were just pests, more than enemies.
All of the dungeons were simple, easy enemies, the bosses were PATHETICALLY easy, and the exploration factor wasn't there because of the space paradox the portals presented. The world was too big to traverse manually, but the portals made it too small.
Metroid Prime, did have some good parts. But I beat Hyper Mode in 5 hours...without dying, and I had only beaten the game on easy prior.
Nintendo is ripping their games souls out and tailor making them for gaming retards.
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Im sick of this "hardcore gamer" bullshit. You are either a gamer or you aren't. There are a ton of people who do nothing but eat pizza and play halo all day (never owned a system till x-box) and they say they are hardcore. They are the ones that coined the name anyway.
Anyhow...
The cave of trials in Twilight princess was only difficult on the final floor. I almost lost trying to fight them all at once.
In general the 3-d games are easier than 2-d. There is a lack of good games on all systems because of lazy developers.
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I agree Cypress.
There is no hardcore gamer, or casual gamer. There is only the gamer and game retard.
People who play Halo all day and have never played anything but, are the game retards who have games tailor made for them to abide by their idiocy.
While the real gamers who actually hold passion in games are the ones who get fucked over because they are in smaller numbers than the Halofags and Wii Fit fags.
Developers are both lazy, and greedy. Whichever side offers mroe money, they go for, they can make easy games, and make more money off of it, so why not, right? :)
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While the real gamers who actually hold passion in games are the ones who get fucked over because they are in smaller numbers than the Halofags and Wii Fit fags.
That's not nice.
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In Reply To #39
No, but it's TRUE.
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In Reply To #40
Agreed, though after all the games industry is a business and I can't blame them for wanting to make money.
it's going to be the small independent production houses that make the intelligent games from now on. like I said before it's Wiiware/Steam/PSN and Xbla that are going to be the way forward for games with something with a bit more than " oohh that looks nice" and "yeah but this game is better because everyone knows what its called" type games.
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In Reply To #1
There's nothing wrong with people casually playing video games. If they don't want to get into it that much, thats there deal. There is no reason you should be saying "If you play video games you have to do it hardcore and all the time!".
Is everything you do hard core all the time, you do nothing casually?? If people didn't drink casually they'd be alcoholics.
Why the hell should you care what people do in their spare time? And it's not like it's destroying the industry. There are still very in depth games not for casual players, it's just now there is a wider verity for people to find something they may enjoy that they never knew they could.
And if you don't like those games don't play them.
No need to bitch and cry about something so dumb, Vermanubis
(Vermanubis can also be substituted with "retard".)
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"Casual" gamers aren't destroying the industry, the industry is destroying ITSELF! :P
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In Reply To #42
Awesome points.
Games were made in the first place to be just that - games. Something to do in your spare time that was fun. In a way, casual gamers uphold that standard.
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In reply to #38
wut u say 'bout mah halo mutha fuka?
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Agreed, but you know what's worse than a casual gamer? A casual gamer who thinks that they're hardcore gamers. :-\
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Last time I expressed my pity to some pseudo-gamers who badmouth great games like Ninja Gaiden 2, Ikaruga and only play FIFA online, they called me a big nerd.
Does sharing a passion for gaming makes us nerds?
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Why are you saying nerd like it's a bad thing?
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i am a hardcore gaming!
i play the third person game
it expands the chest and grows hairs
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In Reply To All,
I was reading something like this topic on Kotaku ('cuz I'm a cool Nerd guy like that) and someone made a pretty good analogy.
Videogames are like foods.
There are comfort foods, which are foods that just feel good to eat but are not very good for your body, like Potato Chips and Ice Cream, etc. The equivalent game Genre would be those quick pick-up-and-play games. Yeah they're fun, and very entertaining and easy to get going with, and most likely a BLAST with multiplayer, but they do not carry substance.
Then there are connoiseur foods, foods that are of high class and high quality. We will associate these with those games that come out once a year. Yes, they're quality, and yes, they're very engrossing in whatever they want to portray, etc. But not everyone likes that type of food.
Then there's the food that is good for you but it's like a salad. It's just not filling enough, you need more. Usually short shmups or puzzle games fill this genre.
Lastly, there's the big-course meals that are the games with the big storylines and complex systems. These are what one should be 'eating' normally... but no one has time to prepare for these. It'd be like going out to a fancy restaurant and having to devote some time to really enjoy a meal. Not everyone has that kind of time to really devote to a game, so most people who are on the go will just 'grab a quick bite' (easy pick-up game) , instead.
It doesn't mean we should stop selling those other foods, just because some people like a particular genre, get what I mean?
Hmm... I guess this explains why there are so many BurgerKings and McDonald's places and not as many Salad/Juice bars around, huh.
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Agreed, but you know what's worse than a casual gamer? A casual gamer who thinks that they're hardcore gamers. :-\
Elaborate please.
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In Reply To #51
I don't think he needs elaboration. I know of a lot of those.
In Reply to Clara, or whoever else mentioned nerdiness
Yes, the rest of the world does think we're nerds because we are so into our video games. The world's become a hateful place and if you aren't like everyone else, you quickly become the hated.
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In Reply To #52
OKAY mister BuzzKill!
:P
I think if the industry is catering to some crowd and you don't like the games for that crowd, don't buy 'em.
It's the reason I don't have a Ps3.
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They fear teh unknown! Geeks/Nerds shal prevail/inherit the earth yadda yadda yadda....but honestly, I openly call myself a geek these days. its like goth/or emo now rather than aput down, it's becoming more a way of life....
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Four pages and Jorge is the only one who's mentioned No More Heroes? Everyone who has access to a Wii oughta play through that, it's loads of fun.
Plus, House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return is a buttload of fun. Sure, it's a port of two games, and they probably play better on other consoles with a lightgun, but it's inexpensive and fun nonetheless. I really hope that House of the Dead 1 and 4 make their way to the Wii, as well as more exclusive rail-shooters, like Umbrella Chronicles...but better, since that game wasn't so hot.
Also, Elebits. Forget what the critics say, that game is a blast. Once I beat it, I've got Dewy's Adventure waiting for me, another game by the same developers.
I need to pick up Zack & Wiki soon before it disappears into obscurity and costs a ton.
As I've gotten older, I've found myself having less patience to really get good at a game, and also even to beat the ones that aren't that difficult. Takes too much time a lot of times--"serious" games have become so lengthy and bullshitty to have to sit through, one of the reasons I dislike RPGs (aside from the fact I'm terrible at them). I'm not the gamer I once was, and any of the difficult games I bust my ass over are ones I'm familiar with and have beaten time and time again. I just get bored with so many newer games, but the ones where I kind of just sit back and take everything in and don't have much trouble playing through are the ones I enjoy most nowadays. I had a much more fun time playing through Hotel Dusk than with most other games I've picked up in the past few years.
For the record, I thought Mario Galaxy was freagin' amazing and, along with Sin & Punishment, was my reason for buying the Wii when I did last November. Both were well worth the purchase alone.
Also, I find it hilarious that members of a Castlevania message board are whining about shitty/easy/accessible/"casual" games, considering everything that's come out after SOTN has been terrible (aside from the N64 games, which I personally enjoyed), and they're all easy enough to be finished without breaking a sweat, including SOTN. Which, in the case of SOTN, is no detraction for me personally, considering I've been more enthralled by atmosphere and visuals than ball-busting gameplay in recent years, but those other games are just terrible--bad designs, bad music, really boring gameplay, etc.
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(aside from the N64 games, which I personally enjoyed)
The N64 Castlevania games were freakin' awesome! ;D
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In Reply To #56
I liked them a lot as well, but LoD is miles better.
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Agreed!
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LOD is certainly more complete, and is obviously more along the lines the game should have been to begin with, but it kind of bugs me how the voice narration for Carrie and Reinhardt is missing in LOD. Also, I like the original first level--not more than the replacement in LOD, but I like it. Reasons enough for me to still cherish CV64.
Also, let's not forget the swell alternate costumes for Carrie and Reinhardt in CV64, not present in LOD. Carrie in her Maria dress with the ability to see her white panties... :o
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I really wish they could remake those for Wii or something. I still play them on my N64 (infact, I just beat Cornell's hard mode again and made it to the castle center in normal mode with Carrie) and I love them. I've beaten every combination of character and difficulty and still play! I hate reinhart though because in a game like that, I find his abilities very limited. He doesn't run as quickly as Carrie or Cornell, if you try to slide under something, you'll probably hit it anyway because he's bigger, and he has no long ranged attacks that would be helpful for battles like Death and the Spider Queen. Carrie is small, agile, and pwns the world with those energy blasts of hers! Her chakrams are good for close ranged combat too, so she really has no weakness. Cornell is bigger than Carrie, yet still is my favorite character, partially because I like his story, and partially because he's really strong and fast, so he's the best character, especially in his wolf form! However, yes, in LoD, I do miss the voice acting. I made it to the part where Carrie meets Dracula's servant and I thought, "Hey, where are the voices!?"
I hate the castle center level, which is probably why I'm still typing this instead of playing Castlevania, but...I probably should. Bye, hope I don't get blown up my magic nitro! ;D
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One thing I hate about Cornell's wolf form is the inability to turn it off, you just have to wait until your jewels run out. Unless there's something I don't know...
But yes, good game, and I'd love for it to come to Virtual Console. I love the higher res graphics of N64 games on the Wii, and there being no slowdown.
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Yes, if anyone knows how to turn it off, tell us please
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In Reply To #62
Through the execution of a super cheat that causes the N64 to implode and destroy everything within a fifteen hundred lightyear radius.
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Okay, allow me to be more specific. If anyone could tell me a normal way of turning off Cornell's wolf mode without any risk of destroying the world, please inform me of how to do so!
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turn off the game. ;D
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I'm assuming this means no one knows...? :'(
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In as much as you can't turn Sonia's "Burning Mode" off in Legends, it's the same with Cornell. To balance the unholy wolf form, they make sure you pay for using it. And so there go all your jewels!
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In Reply To #68
"I've got you Jewels Betty, JEWELS!!!!!!"
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Changing the subject...
Oreos! Discuss!
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Oreos SUCK!.
..I love oreos, but let's try to go back on topic, please.. >.<
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Cheese-its?
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Oops, I did...
Cheez-its are one of the coolest things in the world, second only to goldfish!
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Goldsish smile back though
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Cheez-Its suck ass compared to Goldfish. FACT! Only trouble with 'em is if you eat a bunch, you become anally constipated.
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GOLDFISH RULE! ;D