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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: Mooning Freddy on October 02, 2007, 05:52:46 PM
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Could some one explain to me what the fuck was going on in there, 'cause I sure didn't get it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HgrFSHZfD1o
I could understand that the Florida student was behaving quite disrespectively to John Kerry, and was obviously asking too many questions, and not very innocent questions as well. In fact, from his attitude it seemed like was trying to turn the whole forum into some kind of a scandal.
What I did not get, though, was how it all very quickly ended with him being "tased", and arrested? Was he arrested? And what came up of this whole incident, was he justified and the police punished, or the other way around?
And what are your opinions about it? Do you think he deserved it? Do you think attempting to sabotage the speech and start a scandal with his attitude? Or did he have the right to ask all of his questions without interruption?
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In Reply To #1
The guy may have been acting inappropriately, but I certainly don't believe he should have been tased for it...
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This reminds me of that incident where a guy didn't have a identification card. What the heck is wrong with some police? I guess those "some" out of all the police are just getting crazier!... >_>
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Apparently the kid was known for causing trouble. And he asked a question along the lines of "What do you think of Bush and do you think he should be impeached" or something like that.
What I don't get is Kerry was willing to answer the kid and was telling police that, but they wouldn't listen.
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Apparently the kid was known for causing trouble. And he asked a question along the lines of "What do you think of Bush and do you think he should be impeached" or something like that.
I think that the student got tased not simply for asking questions, but when being taken by the police, trying to start a mess instead of cooperating. I mean, the police is taking you away, shut the fuck up! But no!
"Hey! Hey! What are you arresting me for? I didn't do anything! Let me go! Help! Help! Don't tase me, bro!"
*ZAP* *ZAP*
"Ahhhhhh! Ahhhhh!"
i think the last thing you should say if you don't want a cop to use a taser gun on you is shouting to him not to tase you, calling him "bro". ;D
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Society of Skull and Bones.
http://www.crystalinks.com/skullbones.html
They don't want anyone knowing about all this. Face it, this country is fascist, and the 7 Amendents no longer exist.
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It's just those powerhungry cops getting their kicks by torturing the innocent. Isn't there a sale at a donut shop somewhere?
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In Reply To #6
You would have probably join the society, wouldn't you? Just for the name. ;D
Also, seven? I guess you don't respect your parents, enjoy killing and worship statues, am I right?
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Wow... None of you mentioned the First fucking Amendment?
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Wow... None of you mentioned the First fucking Amendment?
I mentioned all 7, so poo to you.
Also, I wouldn't join that society just for the name. It's boring and generic. ;D
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In Reply To #10
Yeah, now it is, but back in the day, it probably scared the masses as if "FIRE!!" were scraemed in a movie theatre today...
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I think he deserved to get tased! Well sort of. The guy was plainly being an ass.
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If he were a member here, he'd be banned under the "Don't be an ass" Rule =P
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Well I think he was just trying to be funny by asking dumb questions >.> and he got his laugh..... when he was tased. The world is laughing at him.
And freedom of speech is all well and good, but when the cops are asking you to leave, you should leave. Saying "Hes been talking for two hours" ain't helping.
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If he were a member here, he'd be banned under the "Don't be an ass" Rule =P
That rule is still in effect? You had me fooled.
Anyway..
He asked 3 completely legitimate questions, in a public place, during a public speaking. They had like 4-5 cops taking this kid down, and they still had to tase him while he was in handcuffs?
Yea.. He completely deserved that. >.> (And if you don't get the sacrasm, please pull your head out of your ass.)
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In Reply To #15
They tased him because he wouldn't shut up and wouldn't stop moving. Resisting arrest is among the top reasons for tasing a student (at least around where I live).
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Resisting arrest is among the top reasons for tasing a student (at least around where I live).
Some time ago, I watched a Russian drama-comedy movie that told the story of five bored Soviet students in the 50's, who decided to entertain themselves by pranking other students using a radio transmitter.
None of them was "clean", each one of them had a dark secret, a hobby that wasn't accepted by the Communist government. Whether it was studying Christian belief, listening to Radio transmissions of the West, or taking illegal photography, they all knew of the others' "hobbies", and used the radio to send each and every one of the people they pranked a transmission, supposedly from the Cheka (I think that's the how the KGB was called back then), saying that they know everything about his "dark" hobbies, and would not tolerate such behavior any further. Of course they later explained it was a prank, but every student was ready to faint while hearing such a transmission. One time, they went too far, when they gathered the whole student's apartments, to message them a fake message of the USSR removing the trade limits with the West, Product bans, reaching peace with all the other countries, and pretty much the whole discontinuation of the Soviet Union.
Of course, when the real Cheka found out about those student's pranks, they did not find them to be as funny as the students did, and so the pranksters were arrested, and not much time passed before each and every one of them was shot.
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In Reply To #17
Uh... and that has to do with my post how?
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In Reply To #15
They tased him because he wouldn't shut up and wouldn't stop moving. Resisting arrest is among the top reasons for tasing a student (at least around where I live).
No, they tased him because they could. Those 4-5 cops could have EASILY escorted that kid outside, but they chose not to. Either way, this country has turned into complete shit.
Kinda off topic, but.. 2 days ago a US Marine called my cell phone, and asked if I wanted to join up. I said no. He then said to me "You call yourself an American? You're a bitch and a piece of shit" and hangs up on me.
God bless America.
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In Reply To #17
Uh... and that has to do with my post how?
Oh, that had to do with your other post, "If he were a member here, he'd be banned under the "Don't be an ass" Rule
Just wanted to point out, that he got tased because he was being an ass. If he was in a real Totalitarian country, he could be put against the wall for being an ass. So he really shouldn't whine about it.
Kinda off topic, but.. 2 days ago a US Marine called my cell phone, and asked if I wanted to join up. I said no. He then said to me "You call yourself an American? You're a bitch and a piece of shit" and hangs up on me.
God bless America.
Look at the bright side. In your country, you don't have to serve in the army. Here where I am, it's not a choice. The only way you could avoid "your duty to the state" that takes away three years of your life is if you prove you're a Pacifist or have serious psychological/physical problems. It's funny, you know? I heard at least a few guys asking their friends on different occasions how can they join the American army, since "the IDF sucks, the American army is much better", they were answered that they can't join the army without an American citizenship.
I'm joining the IDF as well in a month.
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Oh, that had to do with your other post, Just wanted to point out, that he got tased because he was being an ass. If he was in a real Totalitarian country, he could be put against the wall for being an ass. So he really shouldn't whine about it.
Look at the bright side. In your country, you don't have to serve in the army. Here where I am, it's not a choice. The only way you could avoid "your duty to the state" that takes away three years of your life is if you prove you're a Pacifist or have serious psychological/physical problems. It's funny, you know? I heard at least a few guys asking their friends on different occasions how can they join the American army, since "the IDF sucks, the American army is much better", they were answered that they can't join the army without an American citizenship.
I'm joining the IDF as well in a month.
Goodluck to you.
You can get drafted into the military if you're not in school I believe.. I'm not entirely sure on that though.
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You can get drafted into the military if you're not in school I believe.. I'm not entirely sure on that though.
Thanks.
Really? It's like that in Russia. In Russia, if you get kicked out from the college/University you are sent to the army. That is why most of the guys in the Russian army are huge bulls with little brains. ;D
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He deserved it. I know this kid. He did it as a prank, he does this shit all the time. He was running and jumping around after disturbing a public speaking. He failed to cooperate, so he got his ass tazed. AMEN.
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when he was tased. The world is laughing at him.
Actually, the majority of the internets were in support of him.
Though I'll take JoW's word for it, being that he knows the guy was being an ass.
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He deserved it.
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In Reply To #22
No. There is no draft in the US.
The closest thing we have is the Selective Service that all males must sign up for at age 18, but even that is hardly enforced. Democrats keep trying to get the draft reinstated but to no avail.
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In Reply To #26
I thought even the Democrats have no intention of touching on the Selective Service. Isn't it considered nearly political suicide for advocating the reinstatement of the draft?
And on topic, I agree with Rugal. Even though the idiot was rightfully taken down, there was no reason to tase him. As I understand it, tasing is meant to be a non-lethal way to take down dangerous suspects. Key word is dangerous. I saw no danger from that kid.
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2 days ago a US Marine called my cell phone, and asked if I wanted to join up. I said no. He then said to me "You call yourself an American? You're a bitch and a piece of shit" and hangs up on me.
I somehow doubt this VERY much.
You can get drafted into the military if you're not in school I believe.. I'm not entirely sure on that though.
This is incorrect.
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Thanks, PFG. I was wondering when you'd show and clear this up.
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In Reply To #28
A marine did indeed call me and say that, PGF. Florida is the heart of most the corruption in America, so it isn't surprising. Also, you know nothing of my accountability, so never assume anything on my behalf. I sent an e-mail to CNN concerning this.
Anyway, what you said is a very big possibility, and shouldn't be overlooked.
And Clara, he merely stated his own opinions, and ideas. He didn't clear anything up. But, thank you for your detailed addition to this thread discussion. ;)
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You guys also need to keep in mind the fact that these officers were required to make a quick decision in the middle of a threat. We all have the benefit of Monday-morning quarterbacking this incident from the comfort of our computer chairs. None of us can really say what those officers were seeing, hearing, and thinking at the time without reading their report ourselves. How many people here are actually experienced enough to be judging this sort of thing anyway?
So true. Also that is the same thing when people see a soldiers beating up kids who're tossing rocks at them. For some reason most of the comments this kind of videos receive are "f**k those soldiers, fucking children murderes." Well, what do you expect the soldiers to do? What would you do if you were in their place, and there are a few dozens of 10-15 year-old-kids popping out of no-where and start throwing rocks at your small, 3-5 men patrol? Would you go up to them and say: "Nice kiddies, please don't throw rocks at us, if you do so Santa-Mustapha won't bring you presents."
Do you think a soldier can even think about their age while trying not to get a stone in his face?
Hell, the way I see it, each soldier that doesn't SHOOT those little bastards out of self-defense is a hero.
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In Reply To #25
I live 45 minutes away from U.F. You can believe what you want... but this guy was trying to be the next "Jackass" or something like that.
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And Clara, he merely stated his own opinions, and ideas. He didn't clear anything up. But, thank you for your detailed addition to this thread discussion. ;)
I was stating the legal standard. Next time you get pulled over, make sure you explain to the cop it's only his opinion and idea that you were speeding.
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I was stating the legal standard.
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In Reply To #17
Uh... and that has to do with my post how?
Being allowed to taze someone for simply resisting arrest when he doesn't have a weapon and is nowhere near the size of the cops attempting to take him down is a slippery slope. What would you say if they'd have shot him? I agree, he was being an asshole, but there's a thin line between tazing and actually shooting.
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i dont care why they tased, wspecially there beucase he wasnt gonna do anything, just physically overtake him. that shit should be illegal, people have died from that shit.
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Hm. I always thought tasing was the non-lethal alternative to deadly force. I still don't see how that guy merited such a thing.
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i dont care why they tased, wspecially there beucase he wasnt gonna do anything, just physically overtake him. that shit should be illegal, people have died from that shit.
I hope you're not referring to the Amnesty International thing - those stats have been disproved long ago, and they were heavily biased from the start.
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In Reply To #38
Yeah, the tasers are meant to have enough voltage to disable a person, right??
The only "Deaths" that have resulted from taser accidents are from those in which the victim of said taser has epilepsy or heart problems. Even then, how is a cop to know if a person has epilepsy or heart problems? Saying tasing should be illegal is like saying women shouldn't be forcefully detained while being irrational because they could be pregnant.
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In Reply To #39
NO one's saying tasers should be illegal, just that the cops who use them should exercise more discretion in its use. IN the case of the guy at UF, they had 3 or four cops on him and two of those guys were BIG! They also had him cuffed at the time they used the taser on him. With the amount of force they had, they should have put cuffs on his feet and dragged his ass outta there. This sets a dangerous precedent in which police brutality is not only encouraged but tolerated.
HAve you heard the story about the school security guard in LA who broke a 16 year old girl's wrist because she dropped a piece of cake on the floor? He was detaining her for some reason and broke her wrist in the process. I'm not saying the two events are related, but they're the same thing: brutality in a setting where it wasn't necessary.
I'm curious to know what you think of the events that happened at Kent State in the 60's. Were the National Guardsmen justified in shooting those students?
Also, PFG, I was wondering what the police policy is on tasers/pepper spray. What do they tell you guys at the academy in regards to when to use it, how to use it, any caveats, etc?
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Also, PFG, I was wondering what the police policy is on tasers/pepper spray. What do they tell you guys at the academy in regards to when to use it, how to use it, any caveats, etc?
I explained this on the last page, at least as far as tasers go.
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I'm saying tasers should be illegal. Tasers used way too freely and this video shows that, but pretty much any use of the taser on a civilian is wrong.
There's about THREE OR FIVE COPS and they can't subdue this student? Get a new ---ing job or beef up, just don't tase me bro.
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In Reply To #42
You clearly have a great deal of experience in physical combat.
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Huh? What does MY physical ability have to do with this?
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In Reply To #41
That's a lot to think about! Thanks for posting that I appreciate it! :)
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I'm saying tasers should be illegal. Tasers used way too freely and this video shows that, but pretty much any use of the taser on a civilian is wrong.
Sorry to butt in, but you do realize your supporting your whole argument on an isolated incident.
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Huh? What does MY physical ability have to do with this?
I asked about your experience, not your physical ability. Don't believe what you see in Hollywood. It can be extremely difficult to control somebody who is struggling against you. And when you have any more than three people on one it gets more difficult, as there isn't really any more "room" to get in there, if you understand me. Think about it.
Have you ever taken a punch? If it lands just right, it can put you right out of a fight if you aren't used to it.
It's one thing to be stronger than your opponent, but when your goal is to not get injured in the first place, it takes more than that. Are you assuming that the second you're more powerful than somebody you can automatically win every fight without a scratch? Or as soon as you outnumber somebody you're in control of them, just like that? My sarcastic comment about your experience was meant to point out that if you had ever tried to physically control somebody when their only goal is to either hurt you, kill you, or just get away from you, then you wouldn't be making such enlightening statements as this
There's about THREE OR FIVE COPS and they can't subdue this student?
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I asked about your experience, not your physical ability.
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In Reply To #3
You mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
This one
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In Reply To #48
Yes, I use my turn signals, and yes, it bothers me too when people don't use them.
Citizen's arrest is a greatly misunderstood concept. You as a citizen can only arrest a suspect when that suspect poses an immediate and non-justified threat of death or great bodily harm to yourself or to another person. If a cop fits this description, then sure, you could place them under citizen's arrest until...more cops show up to relieve you.
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In Reply To #3
You mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
This one
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In Reply To #44
Don't know but maybe he means that you haven't experienced somethign like that so you never know how strong teh kid could be or emotions tend to add to strength (or so I'm told).
And PFG, as for experience to judge..... anyone can judge the case, its just how much influence you have. Like a judge in court, he has the influence to change the course of those he judges, but you don't need any experience to judge. It just probably won't weigh much if you don't have influence which experience and support would help in.
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In Reply To #52
My point was that without experience, his comments were ignorant.
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In Reply To #46
no this video is an example of it. it happens all the times, civs bein tased
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In Reply To #53
look man all i need to know is there cops and shouldnt be usin the taze so freely. you say im ignorant but they did a bad job, instead of handling it professionally they made the situation muc hworse whereas at first it is an annoying kid talking to Kerry then we have a student being electroucuted in the background. if those cops cant handle the situation based on their physical ability then they should not be holding tasers.
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It's sorta the same idea as a rabid football/soccer/basketball/hockey/baseball fan criticizing a professional player for screwing up. How many of those fans actually have the skill to play on the level of the professionals? How many fans see the field from the same perspective as the professional? How many fans would perform flawlessly, never buffing a pass or missing a shot?
Theyre the professionals dammit they're paid to do it. The difference between me and the cop is I am not paid to keep the peace, the cop is, thefefore when the cop fucks up e has failed his duty. tyhats why theyre the profesiionals. get a clue
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The difference between me and the cop is I am not paid to keep the peace, the cop is, thefefore when the cop fucks up has failed his duty. tyhats why theyre the profesiionals. get a clue
Could you please check your spelling, grammar and punctuation marks please before you post, your point doesn't make much sense if you're not doing so.
If what you mean by the cop "fucking up" is that he is using excessive force or accidentally attacking innocent civilians, mistaking them for criminals, then yes, that is bad, but you gotta live with it if you want someone to protect you in turn from some motherfucker who want to take your money, rape you, or kill you. Thank God you do not live in a totalitarian state where you would be arrested randomly for not doing your job, expressing your opinion or simply because you belong to a certain racial/national/religious minority. I am sick and tired of assholes who keep saying the police only does more bad than good and it would be better without it. Hell, do those ungrateful bastards think that without a police to protect them they could be robbed or killed by anyone and no one would care?
That's the whole point of it, it's not only the police, take the army for example, acting in a hostile territory, do you think they enjoy arresting innocent civilians because they were acting strangely, when anyone, and I mean ANYONE of those "innocent civilians" could be a terrorist? Think about it. Do you really think it would be better for any idiot or crimininal to do whatever he wants only so no innocent people would be harmed?
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Theyre the professionals dammit they're paid to do it. The difference between me and the cop is I am not paid to keep the peace, the cop is, thefefore when the cop fucks up e has failed his duty. tyhats why theyre the profesiionals. get a clue
*gets a clue*
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I dunno if you've read up on the way the US is these days, but we are basically living in a totalitarian state. Herr Bush has signed into law an executive order basically giving him total power if he chooses to use it, but that's a whole other thread.
I am pro police and have a lot of respect for the individuals who put their lives on the line so we can sleep safely at night. They do a lot of stuff that quite honestly, I don't have the balls to do. But I think that in certain situations (these university situations particularly) the use of force is going too far. These cops are trained how to take down an individual and the use of the taser was ridiculous. Them telling that one kid to get up or they'll tase him again? I doubt the cops themselves could get up after being tased like that! These campus cops are basically a bunch of rent-a-cops who want an excuse to use their toys. Someone being tased repeatedly like that is inexcusable. IF he were high on crack or something, fine. He poses a danger to the officers, but this guy was in no way a threat to the well being of the officers in question, and they only used the tasers to be able to say, "WE're in control here, and if you don't do what we say, we're going to make an example of you." The US is a totalitarian state, it's just that most people don't know it yet.
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These campus cops are basically a bunch of rent-a-cops who want an excuse to use their toys.
With all your school shooting incidents, I think there's a reason they are required. I mean, WTF, those school shootings have become like a trend. There is either something wrong with the education, or there is something wrong with the law that allows psychologically-unbalanced individuals carry firearms freely.
The US is a totalitarian state, it's just that most people don't know it yet.
That could be said of any state, you know. USA, Russia, even Israel. I can say the same about Prime Minister Olmert, if it was really democratic he would have been asked to resign a year ago. Since the elections, almost all the ministers in Israel's government have been replaced, but the same party (and prime minister) is still in power, even though like in America, right now, everybody hates the prime minister.
What makes the change is that whatever Bush does, he's going down now. He'll be replaced no matter what he does. Personally, I still, until this very day, don't understand why USA has only two (major) parties. I mean, where's the democracy if you've only got two choices? It's almost funny because you know no matter who will be elected the same old farts will remain in power (lol).
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These cops are trained how to take down an individual and the use of the taser was ridiculous. Them telling that one kid to get up or they'll tase him again? I doubt the cops themselves could get up after being tased like that!
I've been tased several times.
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In Reply To #61
It basically causes your heart to beat irregularly for many seconds and you lose control of your body. I realize its benefits as a non lethal weapon however I think police should be more strict about it. Case in point:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHKk5qQRzL4
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In Reply To #62
The taser does not affect the heart rate in a normal person. You can cite all the overhyped, misunderstood incidents you like. I'm speaking from experience. You are not.
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In Reply To #63
Define "normal," though. It's not just elderly people with failing hearts--someone with a heart condition (congenital or otherwise), someone who suffers from panic attacks, etc. might be affected very severely--and perhaps fatally--from a tasering. I'm no doctor, but I get the feeling that tazers can be dangerous in more situations than just isolated incidents :-/
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In Reply To #64
Normal, as in somebody who doesn't have a rare heart condition. And I'm only leaving that exception out there because I haven't seen a study specifically on tasers and heart conditions. The research out there (actual research, that is...not some crock compilation of figures that Amnesty International throws together) indicates that tasers are a safe and reliable tool. But the smarter-than-you, liberated college crowd would have you think otherwise, because it's yet another tool the big bad government can use against poor, unassuming, repressed individuals who have accidentally resisted the powerhungry cops.
Yes, I'm ranting. I'm afraid I've been dealing with too many cop-haters lately and I'm pretty fed up with their mentality. (btw Gunny, I'm absolutely not trying to direct this at you.)
Anyway. People love to cite one-in-a-million cases like this new guy just did here. They ignore the fact that there are thousands of taser deployments for every one unjust or problematic one. Think about it; how many times a day do you think a taser is used in the US? How many questionable ones do we hear about? I rest my case.
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Just in my high school alone last year there were about 8 students tased... not a single one of them was hurt.
I'm not against tasing altogether, but I do think there should be a lot more education given, to both cops and the public. I heard one story of a cop tasing a man who refused to sign something because the cop refused to tell the man how fast hew as going when he pulled him over for speeding. Meanwhile, his pregnant wife is in the passenger seat begging the cop to let him go. That cop just needs some anger management classes and a lesson on when to use his equipment.
I'm not a cop hater by any means. My family's worked with the cops to get rid of some major scumbags in my neighborhood, and I respect the work they do for the sake of our safety. And while there may be some "bad cops" out there, you gotta remember that there's corruption in every system out there.
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In Reply To #66
Right. But anyway, that video was insane! I feel really bad for that kid, those cops were out of control. Sometimes people like cops abuse their power, and when that happens, they should be badly punished!
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In my opinion the attention-whore got what he deserved. Had he a real point or protest, for example the war in Iraq, or Bush foreign policy, then, yes -- I would feel sympathy for him. I might even say what happened was excessive force. Now, I don't know whether or not tazing him for heckling was excessive, since I don't know much about tazers or police proceedure. Excessive or not, he definitely deserved it IMO.
This was a publicity "stunt" for his stupid gag-website. He had no legitimate questions or concerns -- he only attended that Q&A to heckle Sen. Kerry (for the purpose of drawing attention to his immature self) and act retarded (not relinquishing the mic, being out of control, and resisting arrest).
Why sympathize with him? He isn't even a victim. He is an instigator, a troll, and he got what he wanted (his ugly mug on every news program across the nation).
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Gettin tased affects your heart rate PFG. Gettin quite tired of yor smart aleck remarks. All I am asking for is restraint and more education when using the device.
To Thaddeus, yeah the guy might be an idiot but the cop need just take him outside, maybe beat him over the head a few times with his billy club, but just don't tase the mfer.
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To Thaddeus, yeah the guy might be an idiot but the cop need just take him outside, maybe beat him over the head a few times with his billy club, but just don't tase the mfer.
Physical assault with a club is far worse than tasing. So why would you beat him but not tase him?
Gettin tased affects your heart rate PFG.
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In Reply To #69
Yeah you might want to tone down on the confronting there, Mr.Capricorn.
I find no fault in behavior in the text PFG has posted. He has presented himself well in his words.
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Gettin tased affects your heart rate PFG.
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In Reply To #72
Electricity going through the body affects the muscles. The heart is a muscle. Tasers DO affect the heart. The fact that you, a cop, don't know this is very very disturbing.
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In Reply To #73
It's not strong enough to do anything major to the heart. The worst it would do on a healthy normal heart is make it skip a beat.
And, as was mentioned before, there is no way of knowing whether the individual being tased is under the influence of outside factors which may change the 'normal' condition, even if some can be assumed via observation. Such factors include drugs, alcohol, pre-existing heart disease, high-stress, psychotic episode, epilepsy, etc.).
This is no DEATH RAY Electric-chair voltage. I think Stryker's UMK3 Fatality is way overexaggerated. You can be tased and live normally.
So yes, it does affect the heart, but it's not going to stop the heart unless it's either A. overused (held charge), or B. somehow super-pumped up charged (more voltage/amperage)... that is, on a normal person. I don't know which of these are possible scenarios though, since I've never even seen a Taser, only read about 'em.
EDIT
I did a little research on this incident. It turns out, the Taser's usage in this incident was not a long-range conventional Taser usage, but rather a close-range usage of the Taser in the "Drive Stun" setting.
The Drive Stun setting does not affect the central nervous system. Its usage is not to incapacitate the target (stun) either.
The Drive Stun setting inflicts significant localized pain around the area in which it is touching the target. Think of this as an alternative to the Baton, only without it leaving the nasty bruises.
Its purpose is pain-compliance, and is often used to bring a troublesome person into custody.
If it was used on an area such as the person's arm or buttocks (hee), it just smarts like the Dickens, basically to send a message. :P
So there ya go, no heart argument anymore.
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In Reply To #73
Okay, I'll bite.