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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Rodriguezjr on August 02, 2008, 08:53:38 PM
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Well, it's out. After a few days with the PS3 version, I'm liking it better than III. I also like Vader and The Apprentice in this game, they both are good characters. I'm also enjoying the Character Creation, so far I made Aang from the Avatar, Ike from Fire Emblem, Lui Kang from Mortal Kombat, and Ganondorf. Anyone here has this game as well?
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In Reply To #1
Yup, bought it on a whim (never played sc before). So far I'm having a blast with the online play, and yeah the character creation is awsome.
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In Reply To #1
The best Cas I made from that game was Gwonam from the faces of evil.
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I played it all night at a friend's house. Haven't purchased yet.
It seems Mission Mode is getting worse and worse. What started as a full-fledged adventure on the original Soul Blade, complete with fleshed-out text story, now exists only as a mere shell of itself. Just floors in an implied tower with little to guide you but a menu. And you walk down the tower and it's just survival mode .... D:
The 5-round story mode doesn't impress either; especially when it's a ride in the park on the "normal" setting. Algol is perhaps the biggest pussy of the lot when it comes to SC villans; I earned perfect rounds on him 8 times outta 10. I guess you get what you earn though, because the endings are also some of the worst I've seen, despite that they look good. They build up your hopes with a setup and then -- BAM! -- nothing but a fucking retarded black screen with a pathetic resolution in text. Considering that you only have to beat this mode once to unlock about half the characters... it seems like Namco was aiming to make this one easier.
True HARD mode and the later floors of Tower of Souls can literally kick your ass, but with the tower, that's cuz the odds are against you: pitting you with one other fighter against like 7 or more. Arcade take a lot more patience too.
I also don't like how stripped down the illustration section is now.
Where it shines is it's other presentation aspects. This is by far the most gorgeous fighter in existence. The way the engine renders the hair is especially impressive. But add to that the specular reflections on every metallic object and the true-to-life animation of cloth and the impressive facial details... what a visual treat. The score is solid SC stuff too, but I haven't heard anything particularly catchy yet.
The character creation is that much better than last time. I didn't have enough unlocked to really go wild with it, but I did manage to create Evil Ken, Joker's girl from Batman TAS and my very own, Princess Autumn. I also striiped Seung Mina of all her clothes and gave her something more dark in design. And unlike MK Armageddon on XBOX, Namco doesn't seem to limit the drive's capabilities here, and you can make as many characters as your HD can hold. The fact that you can now fully edit existing characters is just the icing on the cake. You'll never be bored with character outfits... that's for DAMN sure.
I didn't get to try the online.
From what I've played the game deserves the high "B" it's mostly received. The Star Wars additions actually fit better than I thought they would and Yoda in particular looks amazing. Ppl say he's broke but I haven't noticed it that way (maybe I just need to play him more or play against him more in general). But too much has been stripped or dumb down since last time. The character creator is where it's at and at least it has an integral part with the rest of the modes now. I still wish you could completely overhaul the skillsets though.
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I think the character creation and visuals are the highlights of the game. Otherwise, the introduction of online play kinda knocked the single player options down a few notches.
Anyone else having problems with online lag with SC4??
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my brother and I createda pimp character and used that one handed slap staff as his weapon; that staff is begging to be equipped by a pimp
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Stabbing them gets you more.
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The one thing i don't like about the Character Creator mode is the lack of a tutorial. You get all these stats and stuff flung at you not knowing what they are and what they do. Then after its all said in done you get scolded for making an awesome looking character that's to strong to get out the door. Sheesh...there should have been a help menu or something.
I think its a shame that the story and mission modes are so lack luster. SCII had a great mission mode on par with that of the first. Also they had a missed opportunity with their new story mode. It should have been longer...reasons for the character being in a certain place should have been explained via story...Character recruitment should be voluntary and have the ability to alter your story path. (Raphael's story have me the idea for this.) That would have been perfect and worth while...but no...we get butt endings that make Raphael look like a fucking idiot instead of SC's new big bad guy (which he should be) and clone characters who's great character designs are now waisted. (it would have been awesome if Shura fought like Lloyd for Tales of Symphonia....and then make the character parts for Lloyd available in character customization.)
Lastly, since they already broke the tech bearer with the SW characters they should have when for broke and made KOS-MOS a new character with a fighting style similar to Necrids. (i.e. multiple weapons...you can say angol does that but he makes inferno weep so no mention for him)
Oh wait...did i mention i like this game.
I hate to add on more but i have to get this off my chest: they once again fucked with Raphael. They took away some of the awesome air juggles i did with him. At least they gave him some other moves that i can work with. I also have to learn Ivy all over again but that's a good thing. the fact that she can switch her mode nearly mid combo is fucking awesome. that opens many possibilities..she also has a great new rising launcher in sword/hybrid mode and her sword mode is now more appealing to me.
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Is there character balance fixed from Sc3? That is my main concern.
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In Reply To #9
They got rid of the extra CaS classes and just left you with the original character classes. So now my Gwonam can only use Kilik's style only.
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In Reply To #10
No no, i mean the character balance. In sc3 it was all over the place. Is this fixed? It really made me hate Sc3, while SB,SC, and SC2 are some of my favorite games.
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In Reply To #10
No no, i mean the character balance.
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In Reply To #12
Tira, Setsuka, and Talim were the worst. the game makers even ackowledged how bad it was. That's why when they made the arcade version they did a complete overhaul on the character balance. Virtually staring over from scratch.
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Hmmm... well I never noticed problems with them.
Setsuka is hard to use, and Tira didn't seem any more cheap than, say, Maxi.
And I like Talim :3 she's one of my faves now.
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...so far I made Aang from the Avatar, ...
How did you do the arrow on his head? Or what did you do to fake it?
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once again i made Lord Dracula, :p, and darth vader will be a download for the 360 version which i have, and yoda to be donwloadable for ps3
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once again i made Lord Dracula, :p, and darth vader will be a download for the 360 version which i have, and yoda to be donwloadable for ps3
Really? I haven't heard of this d/l yet.
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In Reply To #17
I heard about it. it's the reason why in both games there is a blank spot between the two Jedi characters.
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from what is said in the forums and have experienced myself, the Kilk users seems to be the worst since they spam like two moves over and over again.
Since I have the ps sc4, I am not sure if Yoda is broken, but a lot of ppl on gamefaqs says he is
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In Reply To #19
I'd say Yoda is pretty bad, he's so small many normal attacks just pass over his head, and yeah he can't be thrown. Not alot of people use him though.
Kilik annoys the hell out of me, but I wouldn't really say theres anything wrong with him balance wise.
Astaroth and Cervantes give me a big headache though, they might have needed to be toned down abit imo.
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In Reply To #20
Cervantes has always been super powered, so nothing new.
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I've made an oldschool style Simon Belmont (design on original CV's cart). However, only Ivy has a whip like thing, and giving my bulky, Arnold-like creation the animations of the most sexually suggestive female character in the game is pretty hilarious.
Also, Alec, Vader in the Ps3 version doesn't seem overpowered. Really, the worst case of an overpowered character I encountered in the game was The Apprentice, and admittedly, he is extremely overpowered.
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Fucking hell, the Apprentice is a helluva beast. Fighting him in arcade mode is the closest I've come to throwing my controller in years.
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I can't wait to get this game.
I'm coming for you, Clara..
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I am getting the game the day I step foot back on American soil.
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Oh so THAT's what the space is for. I thought in the back of my mind it was possible that's what it was for but then I'm like why would they claim these characters exclusive to either version and then go back on it.
But I didn't take onlne distribution into consideration.
I still say $60 is too much for most games, so I usually wait for either a used one or a price drop.
Also Seung Mina>>>>>>>>>>Kilik :P
Good to know I can play Darth Vader someday too.
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Fucking hell, the Apprentice is a helluva beast. Fighting him in arcade mode is the closest I've come to throwing my controller in years.
l feel ya since I spent 13 f'ing minutes tryin to beat that ucker with Vader just to get the character on my roster. Dude is cheap!
Odd that I spend a minute kicking vader's ass with apprentice/starkiller.
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I beat the apprentice fairly easy with Yoda in Arcade.
I had no problems.
Apprentice is pretty fun to play though. I just don't like his generic, Ashton Kutcher look.
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I beat the apprentice fairly easy with Yoda in Arcade.
I had no problems.
Apprentice is pretty fun to play though. I just don't like his generic, Ashton Kutcher look.
l heard that starkiller is modelled after the guy who does the motion capture and voice for the unleash game.
I think I have a tough time with him as Vader since Vader is tall and isn't quick as I believe Yoda is; that and his moves aren't as fluid as the other sw characters in the game
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yes...The Apprentice is a beast. Its funny how he pretty much outshines the final boss in every way.
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In Reply To #30
Algol? He's a total waste of space.
... well... ok his throne chair move is kinda "lol"
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In Reply To #31
Algol's ok as a boss, he's just underwhelming after the pain which is the Apprentice. As a character though he's pretty efffective, and his moves look awsome to boot.
I've been playing alot ranked online though and like 60% of the high level players play as Cervantes and spam the same moves over and over. It pissed me of so much at first, still does, but atleast I've learnt how to counter it... somewhat. (In case youre wondering what the remaining 40% is, it's mainly Kilik).
But still, awsome game.
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So you'd say Cervantes is broken?
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I actually see a lot of astaroth's(sp?) spamming the same 3 moves. Had to show them what a Raphael does to spammers.
Kilik is a fucking bitch to fight though..i've always had a hard time with him.
Also, Cervantes's isn't broken...hes just too cool for this game. lol. I hope they have a revamped costume of his P1 soul caliber appearance for DL in the future.
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In Reply To #34
Dude, have you USED the character creator yet?
Just make the costume yourself.
Wasn't his p1 outfit just a pirate oufit anyway?
And also, I still like Seung Mina better than Kilik.
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a lot of newbies pick Cervantes (although I fought a lot of users who picks Shura) so that they can do that flying move over and over again.
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In Reply To #23
clara i busted my controller and rebuilt it, with some electrical tape
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So when can either system expect to d/l the other Star Wars character they're missing?
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likely not for a while since i'm sure each console wants their character to be exlusive for a bit longer
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But see it really didn't make sense to call them exclusive in the first place. It's kinda false advertising that way.
Of course that's exactly what they meant to do.
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In Reply To #40
It's RE4 all over again.
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Aight, so I started playing tonight. The Story Mode is too short and really easy, but I'm going through them all just to unlock some characters. I also got my ass handed to me in Arcade Mode by that Apprentice guy. :( He's kinda tough, isn't he? I gave up after three tries. Gonna try again tomorrow.
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In Reply To #42
Use Yoda, if you have him in your version.
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I'm surprised everyone is having a hard time with the Apprentice. I beat him on my second try. Though I suppose since he does seem harder than any of the bosses, I can see the issue with him. (Out of the four, he's the only one that actually killed me.) And I agree, Angol is a waste of time.
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In Reply To #43
I have both versions, but I've only really been playing the PS3 version so far. And I did beat the Apprentice after a while, so I'm good now :D
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Man, I REALLY want to play this game! I saw some guys playing it on this huge tv in Circuit City and it looks positively awesome! Playing online would be fun too, as I'm actually good at SC as opposed to just about any other game I've ever played online.
AS for spamming, you've ALWAYS been able to spam in SC games. Most characters have a couple of good moves that, if you learn them and chain them together you can beat almost anyone unless they actually have some level of technique.
I miss my copy of SCIII right now. :-[
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In Reply To #43
I have both versions, but I've only really been playing the PS3 version so far. And I did beat the Apprentice after a while, so I'm good now
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I miss my copy of SCIII right now.
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In Reply To #48
Probably destroyed itself out of shame.
And shelverton, why did you get both? O_O
Yoda and Vader are both going to be downloadable for the consoles they are not on initially.
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SC 3 is GEWD!
You shut up :P
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In Reply To #48
I left it back in NY when I moved (I'm down in Atlanta.) I might go out and get another copy of it today though. I think i saw one in the $9.99 bin at GameStop and I've been jonesing to play it.
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And shelverton, why did you get both? O_O
Yoda and Vader are both going to be downloadable for the consoles they are not on initially.
I review games occasionally for a newspaper in Sweden, so I got both versions for free :D
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I review games occasionally for a newspaper in Sweden, so I got both versions for free
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No offense to 360 players, but the PS3 version was really downsized in favor of "both versions being balanced with each other". SC3 had tons of extras, options, even seiyuu/voice acting tests, and the character customization had separate layers for belts and stuff...
...but all we get from SC4 now is just... a normal SC, with HD graphics. Story mode sucks, the tower is not really that good...and man...Darth Vader should be a customizable character. (The Apprentice is lame, Luke should've been added)
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...Luke should've been added)
NO SIR!
We get enough nauseating whining coming from Tira as it is.
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In Reply To #55
But Tira is awesome.
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you do know in sound settings the game can be played in full japanese or english
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you do know in sound settings the game can be played in full japanese or english
Lol Japanese Luke Skywalker would be awesome.
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Its a shame that the single player sucks...i just don't like that feeling that i need to on online to enjoy the game. They should have done a quest mode like SC2...that was awesome. Hey even the story attached to each mission was written better than the story mode in SC4..and it had nothing to do with the characters. Speaking of that mode its a shame that there is like zilch for weapons in this game. Every character has like 5 weapons a soul/ultimate weapon then a joke weapon. didn't SC2 have like 12 or so weapons each character?
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In Reply To #59
They prolly had to take some out to balance things.
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Hey I have SC4 for Playstation 3. :D :P
Add me my online ID is Jago_420
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for 360 owners, darth vader is avalable
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I'm not paying $5 to download that little green buger. I'm happy wrecking everyone with Algol, and The Apprentice.
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How can anybody bash the game that has Kitty Talim?
Kitty Talim.