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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: superDioplus on August 20, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
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Konami has recently announced Lords of Shadow for PS3 and Xbox360, in the trailer shows a man wielding a chain whip. Could this be the next new Castlevania or just a new project that is probably going to be very much like a GOW clone?
Teaser Trailer
http://www.gamekyo.com/video12707_konami-announced-lords-of-shadow.html
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Looks interesting. Although it's not the "next new Castlevania", since this game has it's own title.
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In Reply To #2
Yeah but if I were to go by the trailer alone, it's already kicking the crap out of LoI and CoD... though to be fair, this is a Ps3 title, not Ps2/Xbox.
Still... that looks to be awesome. But yeah I mean that monster could be Balore, and the Hero could be a Belmont... if I squint my eyes real hard...
Adding insult to injury is that it's a Konami title.
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This has ALL SORTS of CV feel to it, though it's a unique title. It's like Namco releasing a game about a yellow rotund character who is chased by ghosts and eats pellets, but saying it has nothing to do with the Pac series. It's very conflicting, especially cause we see the character kneeling before the cross, and his blazing whip is SOOOO Belmont-ish. The giant could be just yet another Ogre type(didn't care for them making ogres like one-eyed). Or, yeah, it could be like Balore. But yeah, strong CV feel from a Konami game that's NOT CV! Strange. The dude even LOOKED like he could've fit in as a Belmont just with his facial features!! :o
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"this trailer contains actual game footage" Where? O_o
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In Reply To #5
Thats what I was thinking.
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In Reply To #5
Maybe the game actually looks like that when you play it. It does look good though.
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It's probably just a game made by Konami. For all we know, it could be nothing like CV. All we really know is that one of the characters wields a whip and fights monsters. That really isn't anything new. The only real connection to CV is the fact that it is going to be made by Konami and the character we see wields a whip. That's all.
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Also it's too manly and FUCK YEAH looking to be a modern CV.
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Hmm.. It even sound like a CV subtitle...
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow.
Maybe it's a spin off? But probably not. They should just put the name Castlevania on it. I wanna see some gameplay footage. I expect God of War or something.
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Not only that. Also his clothes look belmontish. A little like Richter or Trevor's. Btw, am I the only one who finds the game's title dumb? It's so... clich
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Btw, am I the only one who finds the game's title dumb? It's so... clich
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Also it's too manly and FUCK YEAH looking to be a modern CV.
agreed. his weapon even looks cooler, it's essentially a prehensile sword
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I dunno, I wouldn't rule this out of being related to CV somehow... or at least an experiment towards something to that effect.
It does look awesome, and I think it IS realtime, but yes I would like to see gameplay footage.
The cross has been a symbol of the Belmonts for a long time, and the camera just seemed to love to focus on that little (not so little) item around his waist.
The title does sound off, but I like the clever ideas in th logo; even if I doubt that's the final design of it.
Wow. I really look forward to hearing/seeing more about this.
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Unless, and this is a farfetched speculation, it's related to CV, and takes place between LoI and CV3. Urgh, it just came to me. Recall when IGA was saying how during that time, the Belmonts WOULD NOT encounter Dracula, but were fighting OTHER villains(vampires). That would make "Lords" a fitting word, the plural form meaning more than one "Lord of Shadow". Also, I recall how IGA kept saying that, IN CV, it would be hard NOT to have Dracula present when the title is "Akumajo Dracula". Maybe having a title with no connection to Dracula, it's the only way IGA can make a "side story" without bringing Dracula himself in, as well as not opt for the unpopular Japanese "Kyassuruvania".
Of course, it's just a stupid theory. But it would fit considering what we seen of Lords of Shadow, and how the whip-wielding knight was decked in medieval armor. Wishful thinking. ;D
As for the whip-wielding heroes. Well, it's a big deal considering it's rare to see good whip wielding heroes. The cliche is leaning towards sword warriors. That's why when you hear, "Whip wielding", you immediately think of Indiana Jones and Castlevania.
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I don't know why it's not called Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, but it's got to be a CV game. The imagery has Iga written all over it and why would Konami make a whip-weilding, cross-bearing, monster-slaying game that is not a CV game???
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The imagery has Iga written all over it ...
Not sure what you mean by that.
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If it ain't Castlevania, maybe this will be released in US/EU as.... INDIANA JONES BEGINS.
Just kidding.
Hmmm.. this trailer has got me really excited. I mean... what the hell is it??? :o I wanna know everything about it, and I wanna know it NOW. I'm gonna watch it again. And again.
And again.
I hope it's connected to Castlevania, but if it isn't it may very well be a cool next gen 3D action game, which is a genre I usually enjoy.
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this is a test game to prepare for the next 3-D Castlevania.
either that or the title is a placeholder for an actual CV game.
but I would guess they are saving the 1999 game as a 3-D title. and then a 2-D version of the story.
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If it is CV-related, the whip is a dead give-away.
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In Reply To #3
and 360.
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There was this article I read that was linked at GameFaqs. It mentioned three interesting bits about the game:
1. It was set during the middle ages(duh).
2. It's a sorta dark fairy tale(hmmmm).
3. It takes place in southern Europe.
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Japanese plot writers and designers are capable of mixing Catholicism and christian symbols with almost every other theme... greek mythology, giant robots, space invaders, mutants, genetics... and, although I
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In Reply To #23
Such symbols invoke drama about the character... I guess...
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I haven't seen any screen shots of the game, but maybe its a "practice" game for the PS3 that will pave the way for the next Castlevania game, in a similar manner in which Nano Breaker was "practice" for Curse of Darkness and used the same engine? I'll have to keep my eye on it at any rate.
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the only way this would be a castlevania titles is if:
a: there's no way that was a belmont
b: if it is, this takes place during the period where they couldn't use the vampire killer, and thus came up with a temporary new weapon.
his weapon is a chain that comes from out of, and retracts back into, the cross he holds, like a swords hilt.
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In Reply To #26
Ivy copycat?
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Castlevania or not, that trailer is fucking awesome!
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I honestly doubt it's a CV game. The game's website says it comes out in a little over 50 days, which would mean an October release. Judgment and Ecclesia both come out in October, and absolutely nothing has been said of this Shadow game. It would be practically suicide for IGA to be working on 3 games at once and hope to have quality games of all three.
Sure it may be a CV clone, but this is only a teaser trailer. Definitely very impressive, though. I'll be checking this out.
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I honestly doubt it's a CV game. The game's website says it comes out in a little over 50 days, which would mean an October release. Judgment and Ecclesia both come out in October, and absolutely nothing has been said of this Shadow game. It would be practically suicide for IGA to be working on 3 games at once and hope to have quality games of all three.
Sure it may be a CV clone, but this is only a teaser trailer. Definitely very impressive, though. I'll be checking this out.
i'm sure its not a castlevania game.
but the guy in the face reminds me of conan a little bit thinking old castlevania who looks like conan.lol
but we know its not castlevania even tho we want it to be. ::)
and it wouldn't be that hard to be working on 3 games being judgment isn't a real game, but half ass trash.
anyway can't wait to play this bad ass looking game ;D
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Like I said it's possibly an experiment at bringing Castlevania onto the new systems.
Maybe IGA's not heading this, but Konami could have outsourced to a different team to see what happens with their idea for such a project.
(I doubt Konami is happy with IGA's repertoire with 3D)
Of course we don't know for sure, and we don't even have any gameplay footage to speak of, so we have no idea just what type of game it will be.
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Maybe IGA's not heading this, but Konami could have outsourced to a different team to see what happens with their idea for such a project.
Exactly. I mean, they did that for both Contra and Silent Hill recently, so it could definitely happen.
But yeah, there's no real reason to think that this has anything to do with Castlevania, cause if it did it would surely bear the Castlevania name. Even if it's only a spin off. But who knows...
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well dxc was mostly outsourced as well.
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In Reply To #33
Why am I not surprised to hear that? However, I did not know that.
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http://www.lordsofshadow.com/
Here's the official website and as you can see at the bottom the vines/ chains seem to be going towards a couple of bats... it does give you a very castlevania feel to it. Oh and the flame whip.
If it's not a castlevania game, may it's just paying tribute to the series...a whole lot of tribute
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Sooo... what about the countdown on the site? It says 57 days to..well..what? I've heard this game won't come out until 2010. Maybe that's just BS, but you never know..
Also, I just realised that Lords of Shadow is being developed by the same studio that brought us the shitty Clive Barker's Jericho last year.
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are you talking about codemasters?
well maybe Konami is testing them to see if they are worthy
to make an official 3-D Castlevania.
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In Reply To #37
No, I meant Mercury Steam, the spanish development studio. I believe Codemasters were the publishers only.
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Best news I've heard from the Konami camp for years (since Gradius V was announced probably). I'm all in, with or without Castlevania branding.
In any event, that lead character looks like a PROPER Belmont: grim-faced, weather-beaten, and of course with that all-important chain whip. I think this may even have started out as a next-gen (hate that term) Castlevania proposal, and Konami realise they have something more perhaps, or maybe trying to target a new audience in addition to the CV crowd.
If this isn't Castlevania related, more power to Konami. I say go for it if that's the case. Let's evolve, let's have new IP. Arguably the game flaunts the kind of change Castlevania itself needs: a step away from the restricting canon of the series and a delve into more mature themes.
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God, now a CANDLE on the main page with some BAT silouhettes?
This is starting to reek of CV reference.
But I must not get ahead of myself...
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I honestly doubt it's a CV game. The game's website says it comes out in a little over 50 days
That count-down is NOT for the release of the game. the press release for the game states that it is slated for release in 2010. I can only assume that in 56 days it will have an official website; for now it's nothing but a count-down.
The press release also says the cross weapon can turn into a sword-like weapon for stabbing and a nightstick-like weapon for blocking...as well as a whip.
link to press release:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=952493&topic=45000521
ANTRAXX: When I say the imagery has Iga written all over it, I mean we have an armor-clad whip weilding dude with a cross shaped weapon, kneeling (as if in prayer) in a dark church-like place...and then a big Balore-like guy busts in and the Cross turns into a flame-whip. That is Iga imagery. And I'm not going to explain why that is Iga imagery; if you don't know, you need to play more Iga-vania.
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In Reply To #41
IGA didn't invent that look :P
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if you don't know, you need to play more Iga-vania.
You too, since an "Iga-vania" is full of pretty-boys.
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blah, blah, blah...I have every Iga-vania except CotM --and I'm not even sure if that one is an Iga-vania--and I've played the fuck out of all of them.
Iga didn't invent the fucking cross, but if you don't know what I'm talking about then your a fucking retard.
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In Reply To #44
Chill the fuck down and stop abusing "fuck".
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(wow, I'm surprised this board isn't bleeping out certain words)
Anyways, maybe they decided not to use the Castlevania name because they were tired of the ESRB and patent offices leaking their games? Um, right.
It would certainly be cool if this did have some ties to the Castlevania universe, but it wouldn't make me go out and buy a PS3 like a game with "Castlevania" in its title would.
I still wish that we found out one day that Nanobreaker existed in the Castlevania universe, even though it's focus was completely different. I wish they let you play with that form-changing weapon in Curse of Darkness after you beat the game.
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In Reply To #44
Your clearly a moron. No one in ANY of IGAs games (much less CV games) has EVER looked as manly as this Gabriel guy in this. If anything this harks back to the old NES/SNES CV days before it got all anime/girly man-ed out. He actually LOOKS like Simon from CV2 but brought more in line with next-gen (I hate that word too) systems.
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anime/girly man-ed out.
The Belmonts are exceptions(not Juste much, though).
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Albus is manly.
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In Reply To #49
Him too. Masaki's art seems to have manlier men.
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In Reply To #47
This is what I was thinking as well, suprized no one else thought the same.
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Here's lots of artwork: http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq176/Huzzud/Kotaku_Announce/
I'm pretty damn convinced this is an original game and not Castlevania related.
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I'm still not sure, but I am SO jealous I don't have that awesome envelope full of great art.
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Zobek reminded me of Morris Baldwin. Um, but with a sword.
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All i can say is, that this game is just another reason or excuse for me to buy a PS3!! ;D
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In Reply To #51
Remember... Simon wasnt red headed until IGA got ahold of him for Chronicles.
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In Reply To #56
He's right. He's been all over the spectrum but I always pictured him as a dirty blonde (really dirty blonde, almost brown) like in his Akumajo Dracula X68000 and Akumajo Dracula/Castlevania NES artwork.
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Dunno, but everything that remains about Simon in my head is his CV1 NES-sprite. It's the only way I really like him. This is the legendary vampire hunter, not a red haired, leather clad bishieboy. Though I even like the chronicles-Simon. He's just not Simon IMO.
I am so sorry. Really.
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In Reply To #58
I can understand that.
For me, Simon has two colors:
Brown (Castlevania, Akumajo Dracula X68000)
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Reddish (Vampire Killer MSX, Castlevania: Simon's Quest)
While I do like his plate armor in Super CV4, I don't consider it his 'official' colors, heh. And I dislike the Ayami Kojima artwork rendition of him for Chronicles (though the sprite is actually somewhat alright... 'cept the Burgundy Hair in the sprite looks glued on).
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My favorite Simon is from CV2. Brown Simon is ok, but I prefer the color variations. I really liked the darker colors of red and black with the white accents of his boots and gloves. The guy in the game trailer is very Simon-esque. Even if it's not CV, I feel this is a direction the games have ignored going towards.
Between this and the new art style of OoE, it makes me look back at the other Iga games and even Judgement and wonder why we couldn't have a gothic manly style.
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In Reply To #44
Chill the fuck down and stop abusing "fuck".
Sorry, I just figured out that I could use that word on this forum, so I went a little over-board:)
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In Reply To #56
Wrong. IGA didn't do that, Ayami Kojima did.
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In Reply To #62
no NOT wrong. IGA had to give the go ahead. Do you honestly think the head of the series doesnt have final say in the character designs?
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In Reply To #63
Reread your post. You said it as if IGA was the one who did it. He didn't get a hold of Simon, Ayami Kojima did. IGA only accepted it.
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In Reply To #64
And... wait for it... because it accepted it its his fault!
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Hmm.. It wasn't until Chronicles that Simon actually started to look good IMO.
Sometimes (or actually, most of the time) I don't understand you people and your conservative tastes. But that's ok. As long as the people responsible for this series actually agrees with me. :D
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I like Simon's CV2 sprite the best, too. The contrast of colors makes him look stronger and the pale skin bespeaks the sickness he is going through.
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Btw how do you think this game (which looks relatively expensive in it's development) could be a test for a future 3d-CV? I mean, IGA has to beg on his knees for every new budget, if I got that right.
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In Reply To #68
It's too similar to Castlevania in appearance not to raise eyebrows.
The seeming references intrigue people.
Also Konami is likely not proud of how IGA has handled the 3D side of things.
But then again it could be their fault in the first place for possibly low budgets on those games. Who knows.
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Hmm.. It wasn't until Chronicles that Simon actually started to look good IMO.
Sometimes (or actually, most of the time) I don't understand you people and your conservative tastes. But that's ok. As long as the people responsible for this series actually agrees with me. :D
well i'm thinking you like the better sprites not the red hair?
well my fav look is Thaddeus edit of the chronicles sprite.
i don't have a image online of his edit but i did make a set of running sprites of his edit, here to show you what it looked like.
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fsupersaiyan39042%2Fsimontedit.gif&hash=92186874c391163f4b093f81a774f9b312b8d199)
i love this look myself ;D
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In Reply To #70
Well, yeah. But the red hair doesn't bother me. It's actually kinda fierce :D
But yeah, first and foremost it's his sprite.
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In Reply To #71
Yeah the Simon sprite is awkward in Chronicles. I just don't like how he walks.
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Figures that Konami would make a game in the style I've always wanted to see CV return to, and it's not a CV game. ::)
I just hope Iga will be taking notes when this is released.
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In Reply To #72
blame the original x68k spriters. the chronicles simon is just a sprite edit of him.
the poses in the sprites match perfectly (just try overlaying them), and you can still see the remains of the bandana on the new sprites sometimes.
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http://kotaku.com/photogallery/LordsofShadow/
Here are some images of characters and creatures from Lords of Shadow....with things like Pan and Pixies, maybe it's not related to CV
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In Reply To #72
blame the original x68k spriters. the chronicles simon is just a sprite edit of him.
the poses in the sprites match perfectly (just try overlaying them), and you can still see the remains of the bandana on the new sprites sometimes.
Yeah I meant the x68k one too. I don't like either.
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This artwork, reminds me Vagrant Story instead of Castlevania. If it is like Vagrant Story, then i'll buy right away a PS3!! ;D
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this suit in LOS seems to remind me abit of CV Simons quest or maybe thats a long shot.
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It occurred to me that maybe this Lords Of Shadow is something to appeal to fans of the more action-oriented CV games, while the games that have the "Castlevania" stamp on them will continue to be more like the ones we've gotten recently.
Damn it all if this game looks good. Here I was saying I wasn't going to buy a next gen system and I'm already thinking that a PS3 might be in my future. :-X
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Damn, even that guy's armor looks like Simon's SQ armor..
Makes me wish I owned a XB360 or PeeAssThree. Oh well.
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one theory that i have is maybe the game takes place before Lament of Innocence, and therefore, would be before Dracula's time and would need a new title in Japan, which might as well have a new title here. maybe the whip sword was made the same way the Vampire Killer was using the Cronqvist family knowledge?
i doubt that's what's going on, but it's a theory.
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In Reply To #81
Man if this actually DOES have anything to do with Castlevania I hope it has absolutely nothin to do with any of IGAs creations or games.
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That gauntlet at 00:25 looks just like Leons in LoI.
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In Reply To #81
That would be very stupid. There would be absolutely no point in having a game taking place before Lament.
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In Reply To #84
Can you explain the why?
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In Reply To #85
It would do nothing to the story and have no purpose.
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"Set in Southern Europe during the middle ages, Lords of Shadow has beautifully-realised blah, blah, blah."*
The middle sages is from 1100 to 1500, so it couldn't take place before LoI...that was the dark ages.
*from the press release
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The middle sages ???release
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Trevor was in the 1400's, though, so it could very well be Trevor though, bowing before the cross. Of course, if we are looking at a potential CV3 remake, I doubt IGA wouldn't be involved.
Of course, it could also just be a completely unrelated but inspired by game with a CV fan as the producer, who knows?
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In Reply To #89
Yeah, the spanish development studio maybe said to Konami: "Hey, we're making a Castlevania-inspired nextgen action game, care to publish?".
Well, maybe not exactly like that, but it's possible they're Castlevania fans. And maybe Konami wants to see how their game turns out, and then we may see some major Castlevania outsourcing in the future. It happens all the time.
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Konami could definitely use some help where bringing Cv into 3D is concerned.
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only 13 more days til the website shows something
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In Reply To #92
Man, I can't wait.
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Imagine how cool it would be if in 13 days the Castlevania-logo appears on the site :D
But I highly doubt it.
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Oh it would be cool shelverton. Just saw the trailer myself this morning, and this guy reminds me alot of Simon. If 12 days goes by and CastleVania pops up, I think I might collapse. But, I wouldn't mind if this game give the ground work for the next 3D CV *cough 1999 cough*.
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What are the chances that that was Simon?
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In Reply To #96
Not very likely. Wasn't his name confirmed to be Gabriel? Anyway, it would be awesome if it really did turn out to be Simon.
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In Reply To #97
yeah hes Gabriel... still hes gonna remain whatshisname Belmont to me *points at avatar*
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Actually, "Gabriel Belmont" has a nice ring to it! ;D
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Maybe they just want to make a new Castlevania WIHOUT Iga at the helm. Maybe they want to try a new direction with it and give someone else a chance to envision Castlevania, but they also realize that Iga won't give up the reins. If they take a chance and force out Iga, they would lose him permanently, and if the game doesn't pan out then Konami is left stranded.
Just a thought
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The countdown on the website is up and they got a lil more info there now and a new countdown. The background story for the game makes it sound even more like a Castlevania thats not called Castlevania.
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In Reply To #101
I think that the trailer shows a good bit of detail. The graphics for this game are going to be superb.
Has anyone looked at the wallpapers featured on the site?
If these are based on actual levels in the game, it looks like there will be at least 1 stage that occurs inside a castle.
:D lets hope it's the CV castle.
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LOL!
The terrible cookie cutter storyline makes me think that it's all one big joke! Maybe in 55 days the Castlevania logo appears and the real plot is revealed. If not, this game better have awesome gameplay mechanics to make up for the generic storyline.
Or maybe it's a nod to the older Castlevania games where there were no story whatsoever to speak of..
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I just watched the trailer, I don't know. Regardless if it is or isn't a Castlevania title, I am getting it. It looks amazing.
Would be very cool if it's tied into Castlevania though.
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I just looked online:
"Lords of Shadow is due out in 2010"
2 more years? I thought the site said 55 days? Wouldn't that be near Christmas this year? Or is the countdown for something else?
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I figured we'd be playing Lord of Shadows before the PS360 Castlevania came out. Maybe not for very long...
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This may not be a CV game, as it may not be centered around Castlevania itself and Dracula- but we have leared from SOTN, LoI and PoR- there are other vampires- and other monsters.
This game could very well be in the same /world/ as CV- as we are learning more from OOE etc- the time the belmonts are gone/missing can lead to some intiresting things...
I want a game where the main villan is a succubus-- full AO raiting and everything....Castleitavania! Great oppourtunity to cast a female lead whos lover has been seduced by a succubus or something.
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Lords Of Shadow should become a Castlevania game, heck it's just like it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIu0ywRazGg
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In Reply To #108
Yeah, this thread is about that video, so...
But the Castlevania music was put there by someone who clearly wants to confuse people and spread rumors. The original trailer has different music. Or background sounds.
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There is no way Lords of Shadow is a CV game. There was already a PS3/360 game announced.
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Well it should become a CV game, it looks just like it!!
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My theory is that it might be connected with the games, but after Soma Cruz story (I doubt it...too much into the future), because the castle was certainly destroyed along with "chaos" (the essence of the castle)....
It could be before LoI and before the creation of Castlevania, making the reason of not naming the game "Castlevania" logical...but then again...it goes against the whole rinaldo's story about creating the whip with alchemy with the purpose to destroy Walter...
I guess time will tell... ::)
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In Reply To #112
I think it is a Western dev team's take on the classic Castlevania games. Maybe they are making it a new IP instead of an actual CV because it would be too difficult to tell the story they want to while adhering to the complex continuity that has been established in the CV games.
Take the whip, for example. The whip we see in the Lords of Shadow trailer is much more reminiscent of the morning star whip from classic CV games than the "Vampire Killer" leather whip we see in games like Lament, Judgment and CV64. But how can they tell a story that includes this mystical chain-whip weapon, when the other modern 3D games have clearly established the "Vampire Killer" whip to be a standard leather whip and not a morning star chain whip?
Another possibility is that Konami wants to keep Iga and company happy with pumping out DS games, so they don't want to risk offending him and having him leave the series by giving "his baby" away to another team.
We'll just have to wait for more news, but from what I have seen I am guessing that this is a new team's take on CV, whether it ends up being included in the series or not. And thats a good thing, I think its about time we had a new team have a try at a 3D Castlevania.
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This is probably gonna turn into a rick'roll almost as big as when Mr. Astley showed up @ the Macy's Day Parade. It being Castlevania still feels like a long-shot, but some concept art suggests otherwise. The ice castle makes me think of CV: Adventure/Belmont's Revenge.
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It doesn't have to be Castlevania. It can still be very similar.