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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Mathias Hyperion on October 28, 2008, 06:48:42 PM
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Ok, first off I am assuming that Dracula lived in Castlevania with Lisa and Adrian. Right, now I get to my question: where was his room?
As far as I know, the only thing approaching a bedroom we have seen in Castlevania is Olrox's Quarters. I would say Dracula and Lisa lived together, and I would say that Adrian was conceived in a bed. So, where was that bed? And after Adrian was born, where did he sleep? Ok, maybe he slept in a coffin, but I'm sure Dracula and Lisa had a bed.
Sure, there's the throne room. But Dracula, as prince and master, is bound to have private chambers somewhere.
And another thing (yes, Lieutenant Columbo, what is it?) - Castlevania would have been a strange place to grow up in. Either Dracula's undead army would have been milling about all the time, or the castle would be empty (Lisa still alive = no war with humanity = no army). A huge castle like that, home to THREE PEOPLE.
(And I refer to Alucard as Adrian because he hadn't changed his name yet. It was just one big happy Tepes family.)
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I think you're looking too far into this.
Regardless though, the Castle's structure isn't canonically static. Remember when Alucard mentioned how it is "a creature of chaos?"
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In the Curse of Darkness manga, Dracula's castle has many residents and is bristling with activity. Kinda like a campus or headquarters. It was where those who opposed God gathered. Isaac, Hector, two of Isaac's friends who were in trouble with the religious authorities, Dracula, Lisa, Alucard, an assortment of lesser demons like a succubus, several more humans doing research and the like were all in the castle.
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In Reply To #2
Not just that. The fact of the matter is that when you play through CV, ESPECIALLY post SotN metroidvanias, you only tread where you have to in the castle itself. If you look at the background, there are many staircases and doors that lead elsewhere, but because they are part of the background, you have no means of entering them. That's I see it, anyways. The castle is MUCH more larger than that which you explore.
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In the Curse of Darkness manga, Dracula's castle has many residents and is bristling with activity.
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Also, in SotN, near the fountain in Orlox's Quarters, you see a bunch of buildings in the background. Those are likely what would be the residential homes for the entities withing the castle that need rest.
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The mistake is the assumption that they ever lived in Castlevania.
It's improbable.
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That's true. I bet Dracula didn't start building his army of darkness until Lisa died. I mean, before that he just hated
God. It's only after that that he wanted to destroy humanity. Or at least that's my understanding.
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Trevor and Hector both went to Dracula's castle before Dracula's war on humanity began (based on Hector's shock when Dracula began killing the humans), I'm assuming that means before Lisa died. I'll have to wait until volume two of the CoD manga comes out. The end of volume one had a flashback to when Hector first came to the castle. I wonder if Lisa will make an appearance?
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I agree with the posts about all the different areas/floors/rooms of the castle that we dont get to explore. Looking in the backgrounds is a great point...lots of paths & stairways lead to other places. Who knows what's in there. Also, yes, as Alucard said, the castle is a creature of chaos and may take many incarnations. That's why the castle is different each time it returns. Every time it re-appears, it has different rooms/floors, etc. and the whole layout is different.
Also, it's obviously not realistic as the castle is pretty much impossibly huge. If you consider the actual scale of things (assuming the playable characters are normal human size) then it would be by far the largest castle ever built and it's not even close. If a real castle were built exactly like our typical CV castle, it would take hours to get from the entrance hall up to the throne room! (That said, a replica of the castle is my dream house and when I win the lottery Im gonna have my own personal Castlevania built ;D)
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In Reply To #4
This is a most excellent point. There are areas of Dracula's Castle we will never get to see such as the bed chambers and the toilets. (Most likely because they are not quite as exciting as, say, the dungeon??)
At least we know where Dracula sleeps in CV1....
And speaking of castle rooms, when are we going to get to see the treasury again? (that is one of my favorite stages in SCV IV...)
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In Reply To #11
They counted that area in the middle of the castle in Harmony of Dissonance as "Castle Treasury" (the part with the big crystals and bomb knights and stuff.
It wasn't a good treasury, in my opinion, but at least it was 'a' treasury.
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Trevor and Hector both went to Dracula's castle before Dracula's war on humanity began (based on Hector's shock when Dracula began killing the humans), I'm assuming that means before Lisa died.
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Pretty sure it was Dawn of Sorrow that had a 'bedroom' as kind of a joke room. It had a giant four-post bed and all the female monsters inside for Dracula's harem, which I makes sense. Then again, Dracula wasn't the lord of the castle at that point...and the chambers would have been a lot different when Lisa was around. I think it was in the Demon Guest Quarters.
Chances are Dracula was a lot less broodish when he married Lisa and only sealed his fate when she was executed as a witch and caused his rampage in Castlevania III. That doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy at that point, as he already sold his soul.
The storyline still seems unclear as to how the historical Vlad III and the series' Dracula are related other than by name and location, depending on how deeply you take Bram Stoker's novel as series canon. My guess is he just usurped the throne at some point, but that Vlad III was still a sick bastard before that happened (even if he DID manage to keep the Turks from invading - he did it by impaling the hundreds, if not thousands of prisoners he took, which was something the Turks did too).
In any event, Dracula probably had at least some good left in him at that point (very doubtful if he was really Vlad III), or else Lisa wouldn't have decided to marry him (I think we can rule out seduction).
Speaking of the CoD manga, is there a place online where I can read it for free or do I just have to buy a copy?
It's possible someone scanned it already, but Tokyo Pop has the first chapter for preview on its website. I didn't think it was complete crap, and really just generic, but it filled the time when I was waiting for OoE. I think it's bit better than the comic book in terms of story (but not art)... Then again, that's not saying much :P
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well we could add those details into our fan game as an easter egg :P, but mostly its memory contraints and time for konami to put those details in, i'm sure on of the castle's had it, before it fell down after drac's defeat.
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Reinhart77, there's no way trevor went after drac before lisa died, and he started his war on humanity. it brings about questions for all the protagonists reasoning for going after him. what reason would sypha have to go after him, what reason would alucard have to stop him, why did he wipe out grants clan, and why did the church seek trevor?
CapComMDb, going by the fact that lament of innocence is the canonical origin, dracula has absolutely nothing to do with vlad at all.
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On the topic of the castle, do we think that Castlevania (ie. Dracula's castle in the majority of the games) is the same as Walter's castle seen in Lament of Innocence?
FOR: LoI's castle seems to have the same impossible castle keep (I haven't got that far myself). It is also similar to Dawn of Sorrow's castle (remember that it's a replica of Castlevania, which must have been pretty difficult considering that Castlevania is always changing): Anti-Soul Mysteries Lab = Wizardry Lab, Garden Forgotten by Time = Garden of Madness, and there's a picture of Walter's castle on the DoS title screen (isn't there?).
AGAINST: Walter's castle seems to be more your standard mediaeval castle with a moat. It's not quite the insanely structured Gothic creature we see in later games.
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In Reply To #16
Oh gosh, I accidentally said Trevor when I meant to say Isaac... It just sounds so much like Hector I guess. I've been accidentally referring to Trevor as Richter all the time too...
Also, speaking of the Castle bathroom, Curse of Darkness did have a "western toilet" in it as a joke, though I think it was just out in the woods or someplace like that. I guess having sewage systems is the closest we're going to get to an actual bathroom.
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once again if i see enough interest in these finer details, i'll see what i can come up with, lol but since the castle would change, i double the undead would need a bathroom, so drac likely had it removed, as for the loi/does castle its the exact same image, castle layout tho, completely different i beleive its cause they were working on both games at the same time
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CapComMDb, going by the fact that lament of innocence is the canonical origin, dracula has absolutely nothing to do with vlad at all.
Well, of course LoI is where it starts :) But either Casltevania has to completely ignore the historical Vlad III and say 'he just doesn't exist in this universe' or count him as a contemporary to Dracula. The games never touch that much on history and were really just originally drawn from the legend of Dracula as forwarded by Bram Stoker (who honestly didn't know much of the historical Dracula to begin with!). Castlevania III gets the closest by taking place the same year Vlad III was killed - and in the same geographical region. Ergo, unless you cut him out of history altogether, Vlad III and Drac had to have been within a hundred miles of each other.
i doubt the undead would need a bathroom
Wouldn't Shaft have needed one? Or maybe he lives on mana... Anyway, I'd assume you'd have to have some sort of waste disposal system, considering all the food that's stuck in the castle's walls... And all the zombie upchucking...
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In Reply To #20
It's interesting that if you put Mathias Cronqvist and Vlad Tepes together, you pretty much get Stoker's Dracula. Stoker claims that Dracula is a Szekely - while Vlad was a Vlach we don't know what ethnicity Mathias is (and although he might be Swedish, he could very well be Szekely) - and that he was an alchemist who studied the Devil's secrets at the Scholomance (apart from the fact that Mathias was a Christian, it's still possible that he attended a school of alchemy given his family's affinity for the subject).
From Mathias we get the alchemy, and from Vlad we get things such as "that Voivode Dracula" and the brother who "sold his people to the Turk and brought the curse of slavery upon them".
So
(Mathias + Vlad) - details conflicting with Stoker = Stoker's Dracula
EDIT: I just noticed something on a YouTube video. At the end of Simon's Quest, when Simon is at Dracula's grave, the tombstone says "Dracula 1431-76" (the years of birth and death of Vlad Tepes). Guess IGA is ignoring that.
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Interesting!
apart from the fact that Mathias was a Christian, it's still possible that he attended a school of alchemy given his family's affinity for the subject
Alchemy wasn't considered Devil's work that early in the Middle Ages (that came later) - interesting note that there were also two different kinds of alchemy.
The first kind, or physical alchemy, is what we normally think of - transmuting one object physically into another (i.e. lead to gold). When used for purposes like greed, it's considered sinful.
The second kind, or spiritual alchemy, is essentially where you refine your spirit to become closer to God. Essentially, the True Philosopher's Stone isn't something that turns lead into gold, but is Christ. This is also related closely to the Great Chain of Being, where each animal, vegetable, and mineral (and men and angels!) is on a hierarchical scale based on their closeness to God. So something like a slug would be at the bottom of the scale while the lion, which was considered very noble, would be at the top.
Geoffrey Chaucer talks about both in the Canterbury Tales.
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That is very interesting.
I've never read Chaucer - negligence on my part.