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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: darkwzrd4 on November 27, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
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who is the strogest belmont and explain your reason.
Personally, I think it's Leon. He was able to slay a lot of monsters without the completed vampire killer.
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I think it's probably Julius. He's the one who finally puts Dracula to an end, even though he did have help from some others. Plus, after almost a thousand years of Belmont fighting, he's probably picked up techniques from each one thats been passed down through each generation
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Simon. He's the only Belmont to have whipped Dracula's head clean off. :P Other than that, after his big adventure, he had to go on another big adventure, but while dying, then succeded and survived, and also defeated Dracula a second time.
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Isn't Julius supposed to be the strongest? Like, canonically?
I certainly remember AoS stating he lost most of his powers in 1999, and he's on evidently on the level of every other Belmont in his weakened state.
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In Reply To #4
Yeah, and I think the Belmonts are supposed to get stronger with each generation, so in that case, Julius is the strongest.
Simon does get props for the reasons mentioned above though. I agree that that was pretty badass of him.
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Where are the gameboy Belmonts?
Out of the whole bloodline, Julius seems to have gotten the greatest results. Whatever he did, it sure makes him sound the strongest.
I'd give a special mention to Juste, who is the strongest Belmont when it comes to feeling pressured. His friends are in danger but he's so sure of himself that he takes the time to redecorate the castle. . .
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i'd say simon as well. if i recall this correctly, julius did state he had a lot of help. simon went it alone, never leveled up once(like you know julius would if they made his game), and destroyed dracula single handedly. then upon being cursed, single handedly traveled the country side finding dracula's pieces, to put him back together, and destroy him again.
julius somehow obtained the knowledge to seal dracula, but that doesn't mean any other belmont before couldn't have if they came upon the same knowledge, which doesn't automatically put him at the top. for all the praise soma gives julius for doing the impossible, you don't know that he wouldn't have seen, say trevor as a god or something. not to take away from julius, i'm just saying we don't know if an older belmont couldn't have done what he has.
chrsitopher gets a nod though, just for the hell he's gotta go through just to reach dracula, while moving the most sluggishly a belmont ever has.
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No love for Christopher. Not only did he whip Dracula with the speed of a tectonic plate, he whipped his kid's ass AND Dracula 15 years later, much past his prime.
But I voted Simon. Close enough.
I'd like to see a weakest Belmont topic. That'd bring good debate.
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Wasn't Sonia the most broken Belmont in CastleVania history? From what I remember, she was pretty ridiculously overpowered for her game...
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having a single use invincibility potion-like ability is hardly overpowered. for example juste can stock up on those and use them to completely obliterate dracula without even letting him hit once. :o
gameplay wise it doesn't even count anyway. i think what op meant was storyline wise. leon getting the vk is a story element.
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Eh, that's a good point...
Then I'd have to say it's either Simon or Richter. Simon's killed Dracula on his own twice, and Richter just kicks that much ass. And he's got Item Crash. >.>;;
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In Reply To #11
Trevor had item crash too. It was in CoD.
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Yeah, but Richter's got enough sence not to run around in a loincloth. Trevor doesn't.
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Trevor doesn't run around in a loincloth. He also doesn't wear silly karate suits or silly pirate costumes, unlike Richter. I really don't get why people like Richter so much. He's the worst [canon] Belmont in the series.
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Let's see here... Trevor's sprite:(http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/characters/trevor.gif)
That is CLEARLY a loincloth. No doubt about it.
Now, Richter's sprite:(http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/characters/charrich.gif)
That's a pirate costume? Sorry to break it to ya, bub, but that's fairly normal attire for the late 1700's.
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In Reply To #15
Yeah, but paletteswapmonster is talking about trevor's appearance in CoD.
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Let's see here... Trevor's sprite:(http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/characters/trevor.gif)
That is CLEARLY a loincloth. No doubt about it.
Now, Richter's sprite:(http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/characters/charrich.gif)
That's a pirate costume? Sorry to break it to ya, bub, but that's fairly normal attire for the late 1700's.
Like darkwzrd said, I was talking about Trevor's CoD appearance. And yes, it's a silly pirate costume. Why do I say that? Because it's a joke. ::)
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If we go by Trevor's CoD appearance, then we might as well go by Richter's Dracula X Chronicles appearance as well. In which he looked kickass, by the way.
And Richter still never wore a loincloth.
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And Richter still never wore a loincloth.
How can you say that after posting his sprite in which he wears one?
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That's obviously part of his shirt, if you look closely.
Even if it was, he still beats Trevor out by actually wearing some pants.
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Trevor's "loincloth" is part of his shirt as well. Trevor is also manly enough like Simon not to wear pants. :P ::)
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Yeah? Well... Richter's got Maria. >.>;;
Also, Simon's sprite from the PSX remake is gayer than his Judgement design. It's... Really bad.
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Yeah? Well... Richter's got Maria. >.>;;
Trevor has Sypha.
Also, Simon's sprite from the PSX remake is gayer than his Judgement design. It's... Really bad.
Was I talking about that design? No. Even so, neither Chronicles Simon nor Judgment Simon are bad. You also don't need to call things you don't like "gay".
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Richter has Alucard.
And when I said Simon's designs looked gay, I didn't mean they looked bad. I meant he literally looked like a flaming- *Tackled by a mod*
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Richter has Alucard.
No he doesn't, he only met him for a while and fought him brainwashed, while Alucard is a very good friend of Trevor's.
And when I said Simon's designs looked gay, I didn't mean they looked bad. I meant he literally looked like a flaming- *Tackled by a mod*
He doesn't look homosexual. ::)
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...Well then, I guess that means Richter can get things done with less people to help him.
And that comes down to a matter of opinion. Some think those outfits look homosexual, and others don't. I personally think it makes him look like a weird. But hey, if you think that's normal for a straight guy to wear, then hey, whatever.
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Chronicles Simon:
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/VenzJr/256px-SimonBelmont.gif
Conan Simon:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee23/reidokaizer25/SimonBelmont.jpg
It's normal.
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Except Conan Simon is actually wearing what would otherwise be an effectife armor, while PSX Simon is wearing a mess of fur and black leather. Eugh.
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He's wearing a red tunic like Conan Simon(Simon doesn't need armor anyway :P). The design is actually pretty close to the original. The leather and fur also looks very good. I don't see the problem.
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Simple. Straight guys don't wear tight black leather and furry high-heeled boots. If he's not gay, he's very, VERY metrosexual.
Hell, I can make more gay jokes about PSX Simon than Judgement Simon. All I can complain about there are the short shorts.
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Maybe straight guys wore those things in the 1600s, and still, they might have been worn simply because it was comfortable to move around in. By the way, Conan Simon has short shorts as well. The nitpicking isn't necessary.
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That's actually the reason Judgement Simon really doesn't bother me as much (Others complain about it more. It looks more like Simon than PSX Simon, at any rate). But the PSX Simon's design just comes across as weird. It just doesn't look right.
BTW, in the 1600's, Europeans were sailing ships to Europe. Conan Simon's armor would be severely outdated, and PSX and Judgement Simon wouldn't even fit in. Truthfully, Simon should probably have had armor closer to that of the Conquistadors, but oh well. (/Obligatory history fact)
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...Well then, I guess that means Richter can get things done with less people to help him.
but trevor's mentally strong enough not to get mind controlled by drac's minion who's already dead. ;D
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It was also the first time a Belmont fought Dracula so we can excuse that. He was just making precautions. Besides, you don't really need to use the other three to beat the game. Trevor himself is capable alone.
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So is Richter, in all four games. And yes, I'm including Portrait of Ruin.
Trevor also screwed up and nearly killed Hector. Twice.
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big deal. hector was dracula's general and supposedly as strong as death after all. trevor'd have to be a total fool to just go and trust a guy he meets for the first time who he thought was a twisted murderer(isaac) playing dumb to catch him off guard.
and the second battle was a test. obviously if trevor'd be able to beat hector, there's no way hector could defeat what was before him.
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Yeah, okay, that actually makes sence. But why arn't Sypha, Grant, and Girlycard *Ducks sniper shot* with him at all in the game?
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RoB, DXX, SotN, PoR, and DXC is not 4. Even so, you shouldn't count games aside from RoB and SotN. Richter is the worst Belmont anyway. He has nothing going for him. At least the other Belmonts have special accomplishments(except for Juste, but he can use Belnades magic, so that counts). Leon is the founder of the clan, Trevor was the first to defeat Dracula, [I can't remember what Christopher did], Simon fought Dracula twice and beat him both times, Juste can use Belnades magic, and Julius actually killed Dracula.
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Wasn't Richter the first to use the slide dash and super jump? Also, he can pull a Leon-style backflip. Or is it LSK can pull a Richter-style backflip?
Chris actually brought even less to the table. He really didn't bring ANYTHING new. At all. Really, he sucks.
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Don't bring up gameplay mechanics, now. And yes, Christopher did something, but I can't quite remember it at the moment.
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Technically, they're techniques that since then have been passed on to all the later Belmonts. Except the LSK Backflip, but that's just Richter's awesomeness. And if techniques didn't matter, then why did Item Crash go uncontested?
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Except the LSK Backflip, but that's just Richter's awesomeness.
No, it's not. And what do you mean, "techniques that since then have been passed on to all the later Belmonts" and "if techniques didn't matter"? Gameplay mechanics. Gameplay mechanics shouldn't count at all.
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Techniques are techniques, whether you accept them or not. Item Crash wasn't discarded earlier, so neither are the techniques Richter brought to the table.
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They don't count because they're simple gameplay mechanics that were brought by the time they used Richter. It doesn't make him special at all.
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He's the first to use them, and the only one with the backflip if memory serves me right. But if you really want to go there, he's the only one who actually managed to prevent a loved one from getting turned. Yes, boys and girls, I'm talking about Annette.
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Christopher Belmont.
Well, his son was kinda already turned. Besides Richter and him, no other Belmont had a loved one captured if I recall correctly unless you count Haunted Castle.
Richter was the last person to hold the whip until Julius though if that gives him value, but we have no idea why so.
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That can't give him value due to it having happened because he tainted the whip. It wouldn't give him value anyway.
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Ah, right, Soleyu Belmont. Definitely the weakest link here, since he actually got captured and turned by good ol' Dracula.
Also, Leon's girlfriend got snagged by Walter, and she ended up dead as a doornail. That's one below Richter and Chris.
Wait, what do you mean, "Tainted the Whip"? I sure hope you're not talking about the Morris family...
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Oh right. Richter did something so that the Belmonts couldn't use the whip and then they disappeared so I guess that gives him less positive value. >.>
Touche on the rescue business though. Though Leon's the one who killed Sara, but it was to make the Vampire Killer so.
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Obviously whatever he did wasn't permenant, since Julius got it back before 1999, and since Dracula was being pretty covert during Bram Stoker's novel it would make sence that the Belmont of the time might not have found out until after Harker and Morris him. That's only one scheduled return between the two Belmonts, so it could also be that the belmont at that time was just simply incompetant.
Or there's something else I don't really know about and I'm making myself look like an idiot.
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Leon killed Sara, and it was to make the Vampire Killer, so it does not put him below.
Richter tainted the whip, so the Morris family had to use it until Julius came.
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simon. He's the only Belmont to have whipped Dracula's head clean off.
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The timeline up on the site right now just says he retired and handed the whip off to the Morris family.
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He's the first to use them, and the only one with the backflip if memory serves me right. But if you really want to go there, he's the only one who actually managed to prevent a loved one from getting turned. Yes, boys and girls, I'm talking about Annette.
Game wise, hes the first to use item crash. But Timeline wise, Trevor is the first to use Item Crash. In CoD he has Item Crash. So if you are going to bring that in. Please think on that first.
EDIT: I think I'm wrong there.... Leon might've had it too.
Yes, Richter didn't fail. He didn't allow his girl to get turned. Guess what? Trevor wasn't even involved when Syphawas turned into stone, and yet turned her back.
I can't say forsure, because its been a while, but I believe Trevor has the back flip in CoD too. Though I could be confusing my memory, since he does a forward flip when he jumps too.
If you want to judge awesomeness, how about Leon? The only Belmont that can use a whip, not to swing, but grab a horizontal bar, and somehow whip himself upwards without swinging at all. (I'm not a Leon fan btw, his story was so..... cliche and boring imo.)
I think it was actually Maria. In the hentai. :P
That was badly drawn btw, Maria was just not "Maria" in that, we allknow she looked much hotter than THAT!
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The timeline up on the site right now just says he retired and handed the whip off to the Morris family.
You mean the completed outdated and flawed timeline that still has Legends in it?
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Game wise, hes the first to use item crash. But Timeline wise, Trevor is the first to use Item Crash. In CoD he has Item Crash. So if you are going to bring that in. Please think on that first.
pffft, item crash, big deal. even a little girl could do that, and could doublejump and slide way before richter stole those techniques from her. ;D
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Simon. He's the only Belmont to have whipped Dracula's head clean off. :P
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pffft, item crash, big deal. even a little girl could do that, and could doublejump and slide way before richter stole those techniques from her. ;D
Hers wasn't Item Crash. And Richter never had a double jump. At least in SotN and RoB, anyway.
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Hers wasn't Item Crash.
Orly? Then what was it? It sure looked like an item crash to me.
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BTW, in the 1600's, Europeans were sailing ships to Europe. Conan Simon's armor would be severely outdated, and PSX and Judgement Simon wouldn't even fit in. Truthfully, Simon should probably have had armor closer to that of the Conquistadors, but oh well. (/Obligatory history fact)
I've always looked at his attire as the traditional belmont armor for battling drac. I think Ralph/trevor's, christopher's and simon's are all really the same suit of armor handed down from generation to generation.
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I think Ralph/trevor's, christopher's and simon's are all really the same suit of armor handed down from generation to generation.
The problem is that it's not the same suit of armor since they look completely different.
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In Reply To #59
Her thing was innate powers, wasn't it? As demonstrated that she could call them out in SotN.
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The problem is that it's not the same suit of armor since they look completely different.
They don't look that different. With a little alteration and repainting any of the three could be made to look like the others.
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In Reply To #62
a glorified name for item crash. it's still the same thing, a larger, more damaging version of your default subweapon type item. :o
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Erm..Well im working on a fan fiction so i personally choose my belmont Vindicart. But to get off that topic, i think the strongest belmont would be Richter. Cause of the fact he appeared in so many games (All of em bad-ass ;D), but also that he can do backflips, has awesome moves, and the 1st belmont to work with a vampire (Well half vampire to be correct, i hope you know who i mean..) *Cough Alucard cough*
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In Reply To #65
but also that he can do backflips
so can many others
has awesome moves
ditto
and the 1st belmont to work with a vampire (Well half vampire to be correct, i hope you know who i mean..) *Cough Alucard cough*
but trevor in cv3 worked with alucard first. :o ;)
and they actually cooperated and fought side by side, not one of them saved the other from mind control.
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Juste Belmont is the strongest because he had incredible speed and power, as demonstrated in Harmony of Dissonance.
His athleticism reflects that he was the most physically gifted Belmont.
He was also gifted in magick, so he was more versatile than the pure warrior Simon, who resembles Richard the Lionheart. Juste was more cunning and intelligent, which combined with his athletic gifts and superb use of the Vampire Killer, make him an unstoppable ninja.
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make him an unstoppable ninja.
No, that's Maxim. >:[
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make him an unstoppable ninja.
and then juste flips out and kills people and spends most of his time flying. ;D
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In Reply To #64
Just because it was carried out the same, doesn't make it the same thing. That's like calling a mace and a sword the same, because they both are executed by the button X.
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Simon was the first Belmont to introduce the techniques of walking, jumping, whipping, and using subweapons.
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Wouldn't Richter more or less be the weakest, simply for getting possessed by Shaft and Dracula alone?
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In Reply To #72
If we take that into account, then Simon would get knocked down a notch for getting himself cursed like that.
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but simon broke his own curse by himself, while feeling it's effects.
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Oh, Touche.
Soleyu is still the most pathetic of the lot. He doesn't even get his own game, and ends up playing the role of the damsel in distress. Really, REALLY sad.
I'd also put Richter above Chris any day.
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But Chris actually has his own special accomplishment, unlike Richter. Richter is pretty much the most boring and generic Belmont, really. He just normally goes on his adventure, beats Dracula, and gets posessed 7 years later.
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But Chris actually has his own special accomplishment, unlike Richter. Richter is pretty much the most boring and generic Belmont, really. He just normally goes on his adventure, beats Dracula, and gets posessed 7 years later.
No, Richter goes out to defeat Dracula, rescues 4 girls in the process, and then is possessed by Shaft 4 years later.
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In Reply To #77
Agreed. Chris had a far more generic story than Richter, with the whole "Rescue the useless son" story.
Also, Richter saved more people than all the other Belmonts combined. (Leon and Simon didn't save anyone, Trevor saves Sypha, and Chris saved his POS son, Soleyu. Richter saved the four girls.)
Also, Chris should lose points for spawning thje most useless Belmont in Castlevania history.
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Simon might have saved his wife, depending if Haunted Castle is real.
He also saved all of Transylvania in Simon's Quest. Keep in mind it wasn't just Simon who was cursed but the whole countryside. Unlike Trevor who had to just go kill Dracula again to end the curse, Simon had to work at it. Collecting all the body parts, going back to the ruins of Castlevania, resurrecting Dracula and killing him again, all in a certain amount of time.
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trevor saves sypha and grant. don't forget grant was cursed too.
juste saves lydie and maxim.
then chris saves soleiyu.
reinhardt who is a belmont according to death saves rosa.
it's 2 more than richter already. ;D
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In Reply To #80
Crap, forgot about Grant. And wern't the N64 Castlevanias all retconned?
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And wern't the N64 Castlevanias all retconned?
...So?
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How the hell did Julius get 4 votes? All the previous Belmonts would kick his ass.
Except for Richter. Poor old Richter has nothing going for him. He's forced to put on his silly karate suit, hide in the closet looking at the mirror, and beat himself up.
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In Reply To #82
Julius's full power is unknown, since his weakened state is canonically on par with the other Belmonts. That's why he's got 4 votes, because more people are voting off of his full power and not the weakened state seen in-game.
In Reply To #83
So Reinhardt is as much cannon as Sonia. He no longer exists, according to IGA. Thus, he no longer counts in this topic.
In Reply To #84
Oh, get over the outfit already. Karate suit beats the hell out of weird Black Leather or Loincloth, anyways.
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yeah, sure. ::)
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Jorge said stop bickering. Now stop tryinbg to draw me in to a bitching- I mean bickering contest.
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In Reply To #85
It's true we don't know what Julius was like a full power because when we see him he is a 55 year old man. We should keep in mind that when Julius fought Dracula, he was 19 years old (if my math is correct). That is when he was in his prime and if Konami would make the 1999 game, would finally get to see what the young Julius was like and how powerful he truly was.
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he tried hard to erase any sign of legends from the series when he took over, which didn't happen completely for the kcek games, seeing their recent involvement in his newest game (he used cornell in his newest game and incorporated stuff from cotm's carmilla into the same game, so he obviously still accepts those games' existence within the estabilished series somewhat).
hell, not only him, even the american division of konami accepts the 3 games as somewhat existing on the side (they did put them as empty entries into the usa timeline), but legends didn't get that.
in b4 sonia fans start bitching
tl;dr
reinhardt exists more than sonia. :o
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Yeah, I kinda forgot about Cornell being in Judgement when I posted that. Oh well.
...Sonia needs to get pulled out of her retcon somehow...
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...Sonia needs to get pulled out of her retcon somehow...
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What the hell was that about?
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Yeah, I kinda forgot about Cornell being in Judgement when I posted that. Oh well.
...Sonia needs to get pulled out of her retcon somehow...
No, no she shouldn't....she's lame
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But.. But.. It's Sonia! T_T
She's so underapreciated... *sniff*
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In Reply To #94
Yeah I like Sonia... but I wouldn't say she's the strongest.
**does not feel like reading 7 pages of backlog**
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She deserves to be underappreciated. There's nothing good about her.
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In Reply To #96
Your words are as dark as your soul! T__T
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give her a completely new game set in a different time period that's post trevor, scrap all the ideas legends had and invent new ones, and don't involve time traveling or alucard either and maybe something will work out of that. :o
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give her a completely new game set in a different time period that's post trevor, scrap all the ideas legends had and invent new ones, and don't involve time traveling or alucard either and maybe something will work out of that. :o
Yeah, that's what should happen. Maybe, instead of being a Belmont in the past, she could be one in the future perhaps a decendent of Julius keeping an eye out to make sure a new dark lord doesn't come to power and if so to defend humanity along side Alucard, assuming he doesn't become the dark lord himself.
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Aha! She'll become the first one to fight against Dracula-Soma! Post Julius, that is.
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but for the love of god, keep her away from al. it's stupid enough that some people still believe the belmonts betrayed their lineage and basically mixed it with the one of the very guy their ancestor sworn to kill and condemned his entire family to do so for the rest of eternity.
tl;dr no alucard x sonia and vampire dracula descentant belmonts plz
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In Reply To #101
I still don't think it's that farfetched. We already got time-traveling Germaine, many many other bloodlines, etc.
It wouldn't be any weirder, despite your heavy opinion on the contrary.
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Actually, if Sonia's bloodline was moved up after Richter's, it could explain why none of the Belmonts could use the Whip again until Julius. Sara doesn't like having Girlycard's descendants using her.
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The only thing wrong with Sonia's story is that it wasn't a very good origin for anything. Other than that it fit into the timeline fine until Iga decided to make Lisa and Alucard so young.
It also never says Alucard was her child's father.
I'm not a huge fan of Legends, but I don't find it any worse than the other two gameboy games. I'm also a big fan of continuity and find it annoying that Legends is the only game Iga is apparently not willing to work with.
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Honestly, I never thought Legends was ever meant to be an origin story to begin with...
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I have no problem with a female Belmont, I have no problem with Sonia being Trevor's mother. I do have a problem with her being the first to defeat Dracula, cause Trevor is the first, and I don't want my Belmont's having the blood of vampires, especially the one they're out to kill
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until Iga decided to make Lisa and Alucard so young.
well, lisa is iga's creation, so he could make her as young as he wanted to.
alucard's and dracula's ages were hinted at in earlier games. cv3 was going with al being a teenager. if he's a teenager in a game that happens 26 years after legends, how can he be an adult back then? :o
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^easily fixed, what's teenage years to an immortal who never ages?
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In Reply To #108
still teenage years. alucard had to be born some time, and his mother's death was what made dracula go batshit. she died young few years before cv3+drac's assault and alucard was probably still a kid back then (so that he couldn't save her, he simply had no power to do that yet), so obviously alucard was very young during cv3.
he shouldn't have appeared in legends at all. ;D
not to mention dracula shouldn't have been the final boss of legends either. he wasn't supposed to be fighting the belmonts (and especially be defeated by them) until trevor came along and killed him for the first time, ending his long life.
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The Dracula thing is easily explainable. He could have just faked his death like in Adventure. It's lame, but he did it once already, and this way Trevor is still the first to kill him.
The age thing is an easy fix also. Have Alucard born in 1432, that would make him 18 in Legends. This way, when he goes into hibernation until CV3, he still has that teenager mentality Iga wants him to have and it would still make him about 400 years old like SotN says.
Then there's Lisa. Let's say she was 18 when she had Alucard and she dies when she's 30. That would put her birth at 1414 and her death at 1444. When Dracula finds out she died he curses humanity and declares war.
1414 -Lisa is born.
1432 -Alucard is born to Lisa(18) and Dracula(370).
1433 -Sonia Belmont is born.
1444 -Lisa(30) is condemned to death as a witch.
1450 -CV Legends: Sonia(17), with the help of Alucard(18), defeats Dracula(388). Dracula escapes. Alucard goes into hibernation.
1476 -CV3 Dracula's Curse
It's not perfect, but it's workable and I think it's better than saying all the games fit in somehow except this one.
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The Dracula thing is easily explainable.
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1444 -Lisa(30) is condemned to death as a witch.
1450 -CV Legends: Sonia(17), with the help of Alucard(18), defeats Dracula(388).
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In Reply To #112
No, in mine his war on humanity starts after Lisa's death but before Legends, which at most is also six years.
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Julius because he was the latest belmont lost most of his powers and had a teleport move in AOS (Akuma's Ashura Senkuu) and he had a remix of Heart of Fire however you can't truly judge him until the CV game set in 1999 takes place.
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and he had a remix of Heart of Fire
Which is totally much better than something completely original. That's always been something that bothered me. Julius is the only Belmont with a remix as a theme, which is pretty lame. A good remix, but still.
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In Reply To #112
No, in mine his war on humanity starts after Lisa's death but before Legends, which at most is also six years.
oh so yours is basically an alternate reality fanfic type of timeline i guess.
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In Reply To #115
That's always been an issue with what is otherwise a very solid and original Belmont warrior. I tend to hold out hope though for our favorite old-timer. While I never felt that any of the other themes in Aria really suited him (the Phantom Palace cue to me felt perfectly suited for Yoko while "Holy Cross Obsessed by the Moon" always seemed to harken to Genya/Alucard), I do feel "Pitch Black Intrusion" from DoS suited his persona even if it did get replaced in his game mode. I dunno, I suppose it just lends itself to him thematically now that in Dawn he came back fully into his own as a hunter. Still, there may yet be a chance for the J-Man to revel in his own signature theme. You never know.
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In Reply To #112
*snickers* Dracula "chilling," as you so quaintly put it, is always great for a laugh.
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In Reply To #116
No, not a fanfic. Just an example of how easy it would have been for Iga to create a complete timeline.
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In Reply To #118
Serio dismisses anything alternate as "Fanfic" and to him Fanfic = bad. He'll associate anything that could be plausable but has the smallest kink in it, as a glaring flaw.
He also dismisses anything remotely Japanese-oriented as "Animu bullshit" and to him that is bad too.
He's a Castlevania perfectionist. It's quite admirable, as it's certainly a daunting task... but on this forum, it's becoming a bit irritating.
Basically if you disagree with him on anything you're wrong.
Also, you're not allowed to like PoR and announce so publicly. He WILL find a way to let you know how much he disagrees with your opinion, in multiple threads if necessary.
Serio, please understand that your overbearing attitude regarding your opinions does not really help friendly discussion. I hate to point it out time and again, but I feel I must.
The reality is that any of the ideas mentioned 'could' work. They would not work perfectly but they could work adequately enough. There have certainly been more wild ideas in the CV universe and we have accepted them. This isn't any different.
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In Reply To #119
Oh, really?
Hey, Serio! I liked Portrait of Ruin! A lot!
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In Reply To #120
Oh yes, trolling him is totally a good idea.
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Eh, depending on who you're trolling, it can be pretty fun.
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well good for you
jorge blows everything out of proportions. i stopped trolling portrait's fanboys long ago, it got boring
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Damn...
*Crosses something off a list*
...Castlevania: The Anime?
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been there, done that
rondo of blood
dawn of sorrow
portrait of ruin
here, 3 animu based games , two of which have animu plots, characters and story progression exist already. it's as close as you can get in a game format
if you mean as in series for tv/dvds, give me hellsing ultimate like plot style/designs and i'll download it before you
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*lifts up pinky*
You know, in Serio's defense I've never once gotten a reply on any thread rebuffing me anytime I mention that I enjoyed Portrait. Then again, I always pointed out how it wasn't my favorite title. Maybe that had somethin' to do with it?... Eh, whatever. Johnny and Charlotte got lynched, so I guess it's all good. I'm gonna go sing karaoke and get shitfaced now. Bye y'all.
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I was thinking more along the lines of stuff like InuYasha or Lucky Star or something. But seriously, getting someone like Kouta Hirano or Hiroya Oku to do an original Castlevania Manga or Anime would be kickass. Hirano would probably fill it with slapstick humor, though. Jan Valentine, anyone?
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if you think you'll get me raging with stuff like that, you've got much to learn about effective trolling, grasshopper. ;D :D
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Eh, I've kinda had a case of Troll's Block for a while now...
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In Reply To #129
No trolling would be terrific. It'd make my job a helluvalot easier.
I don't think it's possible though...
Good discussion here, though. "Strongest Belmont" topics are rather dated though, since we've had them here since Godknowswhen. :P
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I was thinking to vote Richter but I chose Juste instead because of his book spells.
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Wow, amazing how much this topic played into how I ended up writing the Castlevania Pub skits...
Oh, yeah. Richter still owns.
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Richter sucks. >:( :P
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Richter sucks. >:( :P
Hard!
But his coat outfit looks cool imo. Trevor's still better though.
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Bah, Richter > Trevor. Simply because Richter's a Char.
...Oh, wait...
(/BAD Maria joke)
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Portrait of Ruin might as well have been a fanfic.
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but simon broke his own curse by himself, while feeling it's effects.
Exactly (ultimate Badassness right there). And he holds out for 7 days against draculas Godly power.
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In Reply To #137
make that 7 years. the curse was eating him alive for 7 years until he figured out how to get rid of it.
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I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree that Richter would be the weakest of them. He got fucked up bad by Shaft, and true, Simon got cursed but at least he broke it himself. Richter on the other hand had to be saved, by Alucard. I just don't think there's anything ''special'' about him. And it doesn't matter he saved a lot of ladies, because in the end each and every Belmont saved the whole damn world and every human being living in it.
Personally I'm gonna vote for Simon, for the same reasons everyone else has. He fought Dracula twice and he broke his own curse. Not to mention he looks totally badass in his Chronicles remake design. I don't really see why so many people disaproves of it. His design fit in much better in the Castlevania world compared to the old-dumbnut-rock-eating-wife-beating-crapping-in-a-hole-in-a-cave-brute-warrior. And even if the new Simon look kinda femenine he at least doesn't look like a homosapiens.
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Oh sorry, I was going for "neanderthal" there XDD
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Wait what? Homo Sapiens are humans. you lost me in that last bit there.
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Personally I'm gonna vote for Simon, for the same reasons everyone else has. He fought Dracula twice and he broke his own curse. Not to mention he looks totally badass in his Chronicles remake design. I don't really see why so many people disaproves of it. His design fit in much better in the Castlevania world compared to the old-dumbnut-rock-eating-wife-beating-crapping-in-a-hole-in-a-cave-brute-warrior. And even if the new Simon look kinda femenine he at least doesn't look like a homosapiens.
no...that's just plain bad, and the ass who thought of that should be ashamed of themselves...
maybe for what it's become, but when the series started, the caveman look worked, quite well for over a decade too.
ah, so you admit he doesn't even look human like that.
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Simon stronger than Trevor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQAYUn-xU4
4:00 - 4:38
Trevor rules.
I have to admit though, the first time I saw this clip I laughed my a** off at what Simon does. :D Poor thing, Trevor scared him senseless. ;)
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Lol, that was pretty funny...I don't like their outfits in this game though..
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wow...watching that makes me glad i don't have a wii...
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wow...watching that makes me glad i don't have a wii...
::)
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I'm going to vote for Richter 8)
He is the first to use item crashes which would blow any other Belmont away and has the power to unleash a fiery strike of his whip without the help of a sub-weapon. That and he has the coolest sprite out of any character.
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^game made wise, true. But timeline wise, it wouldn'tbe true,like everyone else before him has it now in remakes and such.
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has the power to unleash a fiery strike of his whip without the help of a sub-weapon
simon had a permanent flame whip in cv2. didn't use any hearts either unlike richter. :o
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wonder if people realize this discussion is NOT a popularity contest...
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I voted Simon, mostly because he's the original and IMO the best. But its not a popularity contest, so...
He gets my vote because he was the only one on the list who took down Dracula at full power on his own. Trevor and Richter got help, and we don't really know how much help Julius got, if any, so we can't really call that one. Simon had no friends or tag-alongs, he went it alone... twice.
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Even thogh Trevor got help. I'd still think the Dracula he fought wouldve been the strongest. I mean, all the other times, Dracula more or less just rose back from his grave. For Trevor, Dracula's been going strong for 300 years. He also broke 3 curses along the way.
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Even thogh Trevor got help. I'd still think the Dracula he fought wouldve been the strongest. I mean, all the other times, Dracula more or less just rose back from his grave. For Trevor, Dracula's been going strong for 300 years. He also broke 3 curses along the way.
What do you mean three? Alucard wasn't cursed.
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In Reply To #150
Christopher fought Dracula on his own twice as well.
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In Reply To #153
yeah, but he didn't kill drac in cva1, while simon ripped his head off with the sheer force of his attacks in his first game. :o
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In Reply To #154
Oh yeah, I remember that when I first played.
But then Phil came out and was like RAWRGH and Simon was like OHSHI-
Simon all the way, though. Richter got JediMindTricked.
Oooh but he could do ItemCrashes ooooh... if you go by timeline, Juste did 'em earlier, and as Serio pointed out, Simon did the flamewhip earlier for free. Simon has more whip skill, and Juste had more magical skill. And slightly later, both John and Eric could use ItemCrashes with their modified weaponry as well.
Simon Belmont Forever. :P
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if you go by timeline, Juste did 'em earlier,
if you go by the timeline, even trevor and leon did them earlier. ;D
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In Reply To #152
He was something, since there was no dialogue, I'd say he was cursed.
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In Reply To #152
He was something, since there was no dialogue, I'd say he was cursed.
Oh, ha ha. You aren't funny.
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In Reply To #152
He was something, since there was no dialogue, I'd say he was cursed.
But there was dialogue.
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i always thought it was more of alucard testing trevor's strength to determine if he's strong enough to help him in his quest to kill his father.
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But there was dialogue.
Well, I sure as hell don't remember it, its been years, you can't blame me.
Care to reiterate what they say exactly for me, in any case?
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Care to reiterate what they say exactly for me, in any case?
I'll tell you exactly what Alucard says.
I'm surprised you beat me. I've been waiting for you. I need you to help me destroy Dracula.
(denied) Well, I'll have to find someone else. Please be careful!
(accepted) Good. Let's get him. My name is Alucard.(I'm not sure of this one)
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Dear god that's lame..... *sigh* oh well. I guess I'll make him curse in my write up story then.
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Dear god that's lame..... *sigh* oh well. I guess I'll make him curse in my write up story then.
Alucard:
I'm surprised you beat me. I've been waiting for you. I need you to help me destroy Dracula.
Trevor:
No.
Alucard:
You're a real fucking asshole you know? Now I'll have to find someone else. I hope you die in fire.
there, i made him curse. not like a sailor, but i'm sure you can do something with that template. ;D
did you mean cursed? :o ;)
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I meant what I wrote. It was just a typo.
BTW, what I wrote was cursed. It's my keyboard's fault. The detection on this keyboard isn't stellar... which pisses me off right now, since I've had to(this was a space undetected)press space like twice and a bit hard to get it to detect.
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If you see well, Simon isn't a great great belmont, Chrisatopher could be strongest (Still, I like more Simon) because he fought Dracula 2 times at his full power.
Still
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If you see well, Simon isn't a great great belmont, Chrisatopher could be strongest (Still, I like more Simon) because he fought Dracula 2 times at his full power.
Still
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In Reply To #168
In DoS they said it was the Belnades clan that sealed Drac off with the eclipse. Alucard probably helped out too, though.
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Simon Belmont is the Strongest-Charakter.
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I just realized that Chris, Soleyu, and Desmond are missing from the poll...
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In Reply To #172
Let me get a 'Hell Yeah!' on that one, people!
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The poll fails because there's no Christopher.
I really hate how he always seems to get the short end of the stick, it's as if people just try to find reasons for hating him :-\
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It wouldn't matter anyway because Christopher isn't Simon, so he'd not win. Besides, Christopher's games are slow, and ropes are lame.
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simon trumps Christopher's rope climbing by having the cajones to swing from the whip on hooks (SCIV), Richter gets 3 highlights in my book for being the most agile Belmont with backflipping, sliding on the floor, and jumping on the freakin' cealing before any other CV protagonist, mastering the item crush (Simon never had that!), and having an outfit that retains his masculinity.
Chronicles Simon (in the artwork) isn't that homoerotic when you think about it's combination of both Spanish Conquistador and Scottish highlander.
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Richter... having an outfit that retains his masculinity.
That is, of course, if you ignore the flaps extending down his legs. ::)