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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: darkwzrd4 on December 10, 2008, 12:23:39 AM
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What is Death?
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As stated by the games, he is the god who governs Death.
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a miserable little pile of bones. and a cloak.
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What Doth Life?
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As stated by the games, he is the god who governs Death.
If that is true, then why is he working for Dracula. If he is a god who governs death, then won't he be unbiased?
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a miserable little pile of bones. and a cloak.
Damn you beat me to it!
Well i believe in most characterizations, Death is a guide of sorts to the after life. Normally he would be unbiased, being a guide and all, but this is not the case in CV. Since Death is controlled by Big D, he is now an entity that seeks to collect the souls of those of threaten Dracula. So your soul hunting daemon notion is not to far off since his previous function is now over-ridden.
However, if you go with the whole personification of death angle you would have to argue that the stone gave death this physical form....i say that's a hard sell.
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If that is true, then why is he working for Dracula.
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Again, we go back to the games. Dracula possesses the crimson stone.
I know that, but what does the crimson stone have to do with Death?
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In Reply To #8
If you remember from Lament of Innocence, Death only obeys his "master, who wields the Crimson Stone."
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If that is true, then why is he working for Dracula.
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Eh, the universe made him owned by a stone made by man.... stuff happens. It's like Gods in other stories that has to obey someone because they were sealed or chained by something.
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I see Death as more of a friend --a willing accomplicce rather than Dracula's slave. Canon is vague on the issue --Death doesn't hail Dracula his master in Lament --he merely offers Walter's soul to Mathias "the King who wields the Crimson Stone" like a gift... This hardly implies that Death is somehow enslaved by the stone --although that remains a possibility as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvkKw4EtCU
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Well, the monster encyclopedia of LoI states that he is "loyal to the owner of the crimson stone." It says nothing about him being a slave though.
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I think Death may be some manner of formerly divine being, as Leon does mention his powers are of divine origin.
My guess is that Death was something akin to a heavenly guide who abused his powers and was cast out as a result.
As for his connection to the Crimson Stone, it's possible that it may be what keeps Death from going to Hell, if my above theory is correct. But, the stone wouldn't work unless it had bonded to a soul from our world, so Death protects the person who holds the stone, in this case, Dracula.
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I kinda thought that Death was the Angel of Death (and that his name would be Samael), and his role was to collect the souls of the dead and take them to wherever they're going. In Castlevania, however, he can be manipulated and controlled to some extent.
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or maybe he is an angel of death who became corrupted and now is pure evil.
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or maybe he is an angel of death who became corrupted and now is pure evil.
I don't really buy that though, an angel has no concept of good and evil. Those are manmade concepts. If you look at the natural order of nature for one we would classify it insanely evil if we went by the textbook definition of the word because it comes down to who is the most selfish. I think if we look at the extreme narrow concepts of pure "good" and "evil" he would have a mixture of both just from what we've seen in the games by telling alucard he doesn't want to kill him and even showing some sort of respect or fondness for him in SOTN, telling him to escape because he didn't want to kill his allies son and stripping him of his weapons in an attempt to convince alucard that his only choice was to escape and stop the coup against his father and ally. He also shows more "good" by helping juste figure out the castle in HOD and giving him the option to escape and keep his own life. And death being a supreme being with supernatural powers could possibly look at the war against humans as say we'd look at exterminating a house full of ants.
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As always, LB, you offer both the most straight-forward explanation and most reasonable link to the mythology of Castlevania.
I always felt that Death was a very subtly structured being in the series once it came to defining his character. The massacre of innocent lives, the dominion of vampires upon the earth; all seemed little more to him than the elements of a much larger picture only he/it can perceive on a level of consciousness that no earthly being (vampires included) could ever really appreciate.
On the other hand, if we are to consider that the dark lord is the being directly opposite to God than it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine the harbinger of the end to all existence as holding such a powerful source of destruction in, to some degree, a measure of respect or even esteem. Perhaps in some way Death recognizes that the active force of darkness that offsets the light in our world is necessary and thus works to help aid in its progression purely out of instinct. And maybe... Just maybe mind you, Death as a divine but dark being knows that the dark lord is fated to lose. Best to maintain the balance as much as possible in the one-hundred year stretch darkness is allotted while it's possible.
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Just maybe mind you, Death as a divine but dark being knows that the dark lord is fated to lose. Best to maintain the balance as much as possible in the one-hundred year stretch darkness is allotted while it's possible.
sup mobius hadn't seen you around in awhile. This is a very good explanation. It would then make sense why he takes a temporary vulnerable form to fight the belmonts.