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Title: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 06, 2009, 11:02:32 AM
This poll is inspired by Metal Gear Solid.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 06, 2009, 11:12:39 AM
In Reply To #1

I'm excited about it. However, maybe you should make this poll after the game is released.

There will be a time for that.  This is about first impressions.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2009, 11:18:45 AM
Isn't he just an executive producer?
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 06, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
Isn't he just an executive producer?

Executive Producer -correct.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: Archdemon on June 06, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
surprised, just hope it lives up to the castlevania name?
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2009, 11:52:58 AM
In Reply To #5

Yeah, but EP is less hands-on, so he's more of a figurehead.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 06, 2009, 12:06:50 PM
In Reply To #5

Yeah, but EP is less hands-on, so he's more of a figurehead.

Without a doubt.  I still wonder if Kojima really wanted the job; he's never shown much interest in Castlevania up until now.  I still get the feeling Konami threw this in his lap, and with IGA MIA, we can only wonder if we're going to see some heart and soul put into this game.  I don't think Kojima would risk his reputation on crappy production values --but we could still end up with something very un-castlevania.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: Ahasverus on June 06, 2009, 04:21:49 PM
That game will rock. If some fanboys just could understand that this game is a rebirth and must to be seen with new open minds and eyes... ::)
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2009, 04:27:09 PM
In Reply To #9

And which one would you be? Open minded or fanboy? Saying a game will rock after seeing a couple of screens and two teaser videos sounds more like blind optimism.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: Ahasverus on June 06, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
Why to be blind optimistic with this game:

1- Hideo Kojima: This man doesn't make mediocre things, he's an expert, he has experience making good histories with great gameplay.
2- European staff: It's true, how could a Japanese man who only knows big cities of Europe make a game in the real Europe?. Castlevania takes place in Europe, with European myths, locations, mood.
3- Platafforms: Castlevania is a platafform game in 2D, but in 3D, he lacks of platafforms. Now, it not only has platafforms, but also whip swinging! :D
4- Movements: The attack of 3 sprites is cheap and lame. Now the character has attacks with the whip, with melee, with subweapons and with the enviroment. Isn't it great?
5- Werewolves: Castlevania is the only Vampire tale where werewolves aren't important. LoS has cool ones!
6- Hollywood Soundtrack-type: The trailer music sounds like the Dark knight; certainly, one of the greatest
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2009, 05:47:44 PM
In Reply To #11

1. And you call other people fanboys..

As an MGS fan, I can say that PO and MGS4 were very much mediocre. And that's being gentle.

3. You can tell this from one video that actually shows any gameplay?

5. WTF? Werewolves have been around CV almost as long as skeletons. They have been major stock enemies. There was even a game that starred one.

6. Uh..and Dark Knight has what to do with Castlevania? I love the movie, but its music is nothing like Castlevania.

7. How the fuck do you know how cool this storyline is going to be when we know diddly squat about it at this point? I agree with a reboot, but not if it means scrapping all there was; Belmonts, Dracula, supporting characters like Grant. So, there's room for some optimism in this one, but not jumping blindly in while not knowing what rebooting means in this case.

8. He has become weak because of the abundance of games and the compulsive obsession to make Akumajou Dracula live up to its name too literally.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 06, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
Why to be blind optimistic with this game:

6- Hollywood Soundtrack-type: The trailer music sounds like the Dark knight; certainly, one of the greatest
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2009, 09:36:05 PM
Castlevania doesn't need castles?

*brain implodes*
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 06, 2009, 09:49:30 PM
Castlevania doesn't need castles?

*brain implodes*

It's a debatable topic, but I'll go out on a limb to say Simon's Quest doesn't have a Castle (ruins and petty Mansions don't make the cut) --OoE doesn't have a Castle if you get the bad ending.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A-Yty on June 06, 2009, 10:11:39 PM
Mansions and ruins will do.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: cecil-kain on June 07, 2009, 01:32:47 PM
In Reply To #16

It was somewhat interesting to see the mansions come back in OoE, but we'd best not set the bar too low.  The trailer has a nice looking Castle in the background, so that's certainly a good sign.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: CastleDan on June 07, 2009, 03:26:24 PM
In Reply To #17

There will obviously be a castle. They did show one in the trailer, just because they don't show you in it IN THE FIRST TRAILER, doesn't mean you wont go in one.
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: Mikepjr on June 07, 2009, 08:35:20 PM
I think he will do well with this game.. Iga is great but its time for something different.. i was a bit dissapointed with the Wii castlevania so im sure what ever Kojima has up his sleev will be great.. its looking great so far.

Maybe Iga can make a Wiiware CV game later on.. something..
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: A n t r a x x on June 09, 2009, 10:50:05 PM
I'm more a fan of the classic days of CV than IGA's, but that said SotN is my favorite of them all, so I try to keep an open mind about this stuff.

I love the basis of the characters, setting, the eternal fight and the unique weapons and gameplay, but I'm not so hardcore a fan that I couldn't enjoy a CV without some of them. And it sounds like Kojima and MS aim to change things.

Castlevania has changed it's identity over the years so many times that it's hard to classify just why we like it so much and what makes a Castlevania game just that. Cuz there are times you're scratching your head realizing that this era of CV plays so different from this other one yet you still like it and it still feels Castlevania-ish enough... But why?

I don't think it's the Belmonts, because there's several IGA CVs that don't even star them. In several instances Dracula, too, has felt like a secondary presence. It's not the VK because several protagonists can't even use a whip. It's no longer the 100-years resurrection thing either, because the current timeline has shot that to hell... and it probably should be.

What exactly does Castlevania stand for? Is it just the good platforming style action based in a vampiric/horror mythos that earns our attention on a consistent basis? Is it the promise of great graphics, music and presentation? Perhaps the presence of a pretentiously stylistic castle? Is it Konami itself? 

Is it all of the above?

Maybe CV's very identity is that it doesn't really scream one (although certainly maintained its own image through Ayami's and Yamane's work). Maybe it's that it incorporates so many cool ideas into one experience that it's just hard to not like.

If it's all of the above, then why can I get so excited from a 3 minute trailer that claims to rewrite what we know about the series itself, or at least how it is on the 3D side of gaming. It was enough for me to see a whip-wielding badass in a medieval world and a game engine built around pummeling ugly creatures with a dark story to drive it.

There's no sub-weapons or even candles to be seen anywhere in the video, and only half of the enemies look like they'd fit in with previous outings.

Lords of Shadow will either be a true test of how well Castelvania's identity is defined, or else yet another confusing question as to why it isn't. Will we accept it as part of our beloved series even if it turns out Dracula and the Belmonts weren't invited or that Gabriel has to get all of his hearts and moneybags off of dead enemies? Will there even be hearts? (CV64s didn't need them)

Only time will tell and only Kojima and Mercurysteam really know what direction they're taking things. I have no choice but to trust them for the time being.

(I chose the "surprised" option, as I am still a little uncomfortable with this notion of change, as change usually brings)
Title: Re: Your opinions here. Lords of Shadow Poll
Post by: Gunlord on June 10, 2009, 02:33:56 AM
In Reply To #1

 :o

for me.

I dunno where he'll take the series, but I can only hope it'll be towards a good place, unyuu!

Also, first vote, I think! :D