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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: crisis on January 19, 2010, 07:27:51 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cwbbxVaNY8
At 1:05 IGA says "Shanoa" is just a codename. What could her real name be??
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Hm, I remember this interview... but, I don't recall this subject was ever touched upon in the actual game, was it?
I sometimes skip dialogue in games though :-[ (yes, I'm that kind of person).
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Who knows. For all we know, she could be some kind of decendent of the Belnades family. Though I doubt it. I get the feeling that it's one of those things that we aren't suppose to ever learn.
Hm, I remember this interview... but, I don't recall this subject was ever touched upon in the actual game, was it?
I sometimes skip dialogue in games though Embarrassed (yes, I'm that kind of person).
You realize that by skipping dialogue you may be missing key parts of the game's story. Oh well, to each their own.
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You realize that by skipping dialogue you may be missing key parts of the game's story. Oh well, to each their own.
Yeah, and I've learnt my lesson a few times, getting stuck in peculiar places just because I missed valuable information. Usually I don't skip dialogue when I play RPGs or Adventure games, and I actually don't remember skipping dialogue in OoE. Then again, I hardly play story-driven games anymore... when I was younger I definitely had more patience. :-\
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I was hoping that Shanoa would turn out to be Nathan Grave's mother, since both his parents had fought Dracula together. If OoE was really in the mid-1800's though, doesn't work so well.
Actually, she kind of resembles Hugh Baldwin, maybe she's his daughter? Albus resembles Nathan Graves a bit, maybe he's his kid? Then something horrible happened to both of them?
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Aos/DoS/OoE SPOILERS!
I've always imagined Shanoa to be a great great great great grandmother of Soma. I don't remember if it was ever really explained why Drac's soul picked him in the first place. Perhaps because some remnants of the Dominus remain in his soul.....or something similar to that.
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Who knows. For all we know, she could be some kind of decendent of the Belnades family. Though I doubt it. I get the feeling that it's one of those things that we aren't suppose to ever learn.
I agree I dont think we were even suppose to really know anything about her. Thats one thing I hated about OoE was the fact the lead character had such a dull personality in my opinion.
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Aos/DoS/OoE SPOILERS!
I've always imagined Shanoa to be a great great great great grandmother of Soma. I don't remember if it was ever really explained why Drac's soul picked him in the first place. Perhaps because some remnants of the Dominus remain in his soul.....or something similar to that.
Very good idea! I like it.
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Aos/DoS/OoE SPOILERS!
I've always imagined Shanoa to be a great great great great grandmother of Soma. I don't remember if it was ever really explained why Drac's soul picked him in the first place. Perhaps because some remnants of the Dominus remain in his soul.....or something similar to that.
That would work but wouldn't she also have to be the great great great great grandmother of Dmitri and Dorrio since they were born with the same powers as Soma unless others had the power of Dominus with in them and passed it on.
Which Im sure this has been mentioned but Dominus sounds like a latin form of Dominance.
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Unless IGA plans to put Shanoa in another game, or at least refer to her in some way in a new game, she's one of the most pointless characters in the history of Castlevania. It's always easier to put a Belmont in a game cause you don't have to explain that much - he/she is related to all the other Belmonts. End of story. But a character that doesn't even have a surname comes off as really anonymous in a series where it's always been about continuity (well, not always, but sorta).
It would've been kinda easy for IGA to connect OoE with something - Like you said; AoS/DoS could've been an option. (Though it would've been even better if he had been planning ahead with his goddamned storyline, and maybe mentioned Shanoa in AoS/DoS as some kind of OMFG LEGENDARY ANCESTOR :o. Except he didn't know what games he'd be doing next, and therefor closed all sorts of opportunities for connection with characters from the past. If I was writing a long ass storyline, I'd be do A LOT of planning ahead, like, just come up with some random name and get back to it someday when I knew what to do with it. It's not that bloody hard, is it?) I know he comes up with the gameplay first, and then writes the story, but seriously... where there's a will, there's a way.
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That would work but wouldn't she also have to be the great great great great grandmother of Dmitri and Dorrio since they were born with the same powers as Soma unless others had the power of Dominus with in them and passed it on.
Which Im sure this has been mentioned but Dominus sounds like a latin form of Dominance.
They weren't born with the same powers. The only reason Dario, Dmitrii, and Graham are thought to be Dark Lord candidates is because they were born at the same time as when Dracula died. They each had powers of their own, but Soma was the only one with the power of Dominance, which is a power exclusive to Dracula's soul as far as they have shown. Ironically, Soma was born seventeen years after Dracula's death and the birth of the other three candidates. Those cults were barking up the wrong tree.
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Unless IGA plans to put Shanoa in another game, or at least refer to her in some way in a new game, she's one of the most pointless characters in the history of Castlevania. It's always easier to put a Belmont in a game cause you don't have to explain that much - he/she is related to all the other Belmonts. End of story. But a character that doesn't even have a surname comes off as really anonymous in a series where it's always been about continuity (well, not always, but sorta).
I have to agree and also state that I find OoE to be pointless over all given they didn't give an exact year when it happened. That whole "mysteriously vanished from the history books" thing is just a cop out in my opinion. Shanoa over all is a very lame "code name" and even it was her real name she didn't have a surname that could possibly link her to other characters in the series. I know OoE was suppose to break way from the usual Castlevania story but it was pourly executed since every story though self contained is linked to one another in some way. OoE isn't linked other then Dominus is obviously related to the same powers Soma uses. Thats it. Shanoa is as bland as a character as they come (and take it from me I know bland I'm from the town of Bland.) She doesn't have any memories (wow like that hasn't been covered in fifty million other games) and no emotions except towards the end of the game. To be honest if any game really deserves not to be mentioned in the time line its OoE.
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at least Dracula remembered her in Judgment.
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Chu-know-uh?
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Perhaps, IGA has not decided the real name of Shanoa.
from japanese magazine "game side" (february 2009)
Q: What is the bloodline of Shanoa?
Belnades? Aulin? Shaft?
IGA: Solly, I have not decided anything.
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Perhaps, IGA has not decided the real name of Shanoa.
from japanese magazine "game side" (february 2009)
Q: What is the bloodline of Shanoa?
Belnades? Aulin? Shaft?
IGA: Solly, I have not decided anything.
Well if IGA produces another game maybe he will shed some more light on her.
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It would certainly be a lot cooler if Shanoa happens to be the ancestor of someone EVIL from AoS or DoS (or that 1999 game). Though there's not enough room in the timeline to elaborate on such matter, unless they put another game between PoR and 1999. And who would Shanoa have a child with anyway? Nathan Graves perhaps, or Hugh Baldwin (depending on exactly when OoE takes place). Or anyone from Legacy of Darkness. Except they don't exist in the same timeline. Blah.
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I always thought that Shanoa's real name was supposed to be a huge plot twist in the game. But I guess not.
They shouldn't link her to any of the established famillies like Belnadeses (or even worse Belmonts) because that would only cheapen her character. I like just the way she is.
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Perhaps she will be referenced in a future game. For example:
there could be another game with Soma in which someone evil tries to corrupt Soma using the Dominus glyph somehow. After all, when someone who absorbed a glyph dies, it leaves their body. It could be said that after Shanoa's death, someone took and seal the three dominus glyphs and stored them somewhere safe. However, one day they were stolen. And then, a monster with dominus attacks Soma. He kills it and when the glyph appears he recognizes it as being connected to Dracula's power. At which point, Arikado tells Soma not to go near it, that someone may be after him again, and to let him handle it. However, like in DoS, Soma doesn't listen and gets further involved.
Something like this. Also, the reason I think that the three glyphs are called Dominus is because they are suppose to be the strongest and thus they Dominate. This all just speculation.
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Her name is Shanoa Canterbury.
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After I´d played OoE several times, I just came to the conclusion that, perhaps, Shanoa IS her real name.
It´s never stated elsewhere, just in that one interview, that it´s a codename. So yeah, I refuse to bother anymore just because of something that seems like IGAs former (?) vision of the Game.
---> But if Shanoa was just a Codename..... well, I always thought of "Lilly" to be a good name for her.
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good point. i think Albus would have certainly called her by her real name at least during some of the more heartwarming scenes.
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good point. i think Albus would have certainly called her by her real name at least during some of the more heartwarming scenes.
That assumes he knows what her real name is.
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if "Shanoa" is a title, i don't think she would have gained it by the time she was a little girl playing tag with Albus.
it could be a name she was given because they didn't know her real name when she was found. but probably not a title then.
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if "Shanoa" is a title, i don't think she would have gained it by the time she was a little girl playing tag with Albus.
it could be a name she was given because they didn't know her real name when she was found. but probably not a title then.
So... *SPOILER if you haven't finished the game, whch I'm sure most of you have, but still...*...
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Shanoa and Albus aren't related by blood you mean? I can't remember the exact storyline now, but I thought they were real siblings? Again, I shouldn't skip dialogue in games :-[ If Shanoa was found as a child, it opens up for many cool possibilities. Maybe she's related to Elizabeth Bartley. Nah.
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I thought it was fitting to give Shanoa a bland background to go along with her total lack of emotions throughout most of the game.
HOWEVER, I do not excuse that Iga didn't bother to explain why the hell there are no Belmonts or how exactly the Morris clan gets involved. Sure they hint that everyone in the town is a descendant of the Belmonts; they even go as far as to hint that the old lady's grandfather was a vampire hunter, but come the fuck on! It is ok, from time to time, to reveal a little bit of the story in a non-ambiguous manner. I would have taken anything, a book item that tells what happened without using names, a cut scene, a friggin' still picture, but fuckin' something. As it stands we can assume anything even down to the most mundane and lame like the line just dying out through marriage.
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I thought it was fitting to give Shanoa a bland background to go along with her total lack of emotions throughout most of the game.
HOWEVER, I do not excuse that Iga didn't bother to explain why the hell there are no Belmonts or how exactly the Morris clan gets involved. Sure they hint that everyone in the town is a descendant of the Belmonts; they even go as far as to hint that the old lady's grandfather was a vampire hunter, but come the fuck on! It is ok, from time to time, to reveal a little bit of the story in a non-ambiguous manner. I would have taken anything, a book item that tells what happened without using names, a cut scene, a friggin' still picture, but fuckin' something. As it stands we can assume anything even down to the most mundane and lame like the line just dying out through marriage.
But that's not possible. In the Sorrow games, Julius still has the Belmont last name.
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It appears that Death believed the Belmont Clan actually died out during that period of time. He tells Simon in Judgment "Your line will die out and fade from memory... It is your fate." Of course, we don't have complete context, but his dialog with Carmilla and Cornell makes me think he entered the Rift at the time of Legacy of Darkness.
You know, if the Belmont Clan did die out, I think "Death" of all beings would have known. Makes me think some awfully tricky magic was used to fool Death and the world, they actually "resurrected" in the late 20th century, or one of the offshoot clans such as the Morris's "became" the new Belmonts by their heroic accomplishments and ability to defeat Whip's memory.
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It appears that Death believed the Belmont Clan actually died out during that period of time. He tells Simon in Judgment "Your line will die out and fade from memory... It is your fate." Of course, we don't have complete context, but his dialog with Carmilla and Cornell makes me think he entered the Rift at the time of Legacy of Darkness.
You know, if the Belmont Clan did die out, I think "Death" of all beings would have known. Makes me think some awfully tricky magic was used to fool Death and the world, they actually "resurrected" in the late 20th century, or one of the offshoot clans such as the Morris's "became" the new Belmonts by their heroic accomplishments and ability to defeat Whip's memory.
But then in AoS and DoS, Julius would be shortening his life-span and he shows no such sign. Then again, that detail of the whip shortening the lives of non-direct Belmont descendants wasn't added until PoR which came out in 2006 (after AoS and DoS).
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being able to defeat Whip's Memory would only be one of the steps along the way to become a "true" Belmont that would be able to wield it without the need for it to take the life force. something else may have happened after Portrait of Ruin.
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I think the whole point of Shanoa was to be someone unrelated to any of the established family. It's kinda hammered in when it states that this event was forgotten to memory and that she disappeared and etc, that she isn't meant to have a connection.
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The bottom lines here are not all that hard to pinpoint.
1) Igarashi-sama has gone on record stating that he considers the gameplay first, the story second.
2) OoE was a good outlet for him to try out the first female protagonist in his timeline and he felt a whole new character unrelated to any past bloodlines was the way to go.
3) Albus implies through his memories that he and Shanoa are not in fact related by blood but still sees himself as her brother seeing as how he is really all that she has.
4) Overall, OoE's plot turned out to be one of the most pointless and unnecessary CV outings to date, adding nothing of relevance to the mix and leaving only more plot holes and questions for the fans to mull over.
And finally 5) I think we can all agree that any dialogue from Judgment can't really be taken even remotely serious.
That being said, I got nothing to contribute to the actual topic at hand. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Ohh-kay fine. You ask me, Shanoa is related to Hector and/or Isaac. They gave up their surnames, she has none. In fact neither do Barlowe or Albus. Do the math.