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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Death on March 07, 2010, 04:58:46 AM
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Anyone know what happened to the game they showed at TGS 2008? They showed a trailer and we haven't heard a single thing since. It looked like a SOTN sequel, it definitely was not Lords of Shadow. I hope the game wasn't cancelled. Here's the trailer for anyone who doesn't know what i'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phX4ExPgHr8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phX4ExPgHr8&feature=related)
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It's not canceled, it's in "freeze mode" or something. Don't listen to people who say it's never going to come out, IGA is still around and making Castlevania games.
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It's not canceled, it's in "freeze mode" or something. Don't listen to people who say it's never going to come out, IGA is still around and making Castlevania games.
Yeah, they're probably working on it as we speak. They're likely taking they're time to make sure it's good. Plus, they may also want to see how LoS does. I would expect to hear something new after LoS comes out.
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I think you all have wishful thinking.
I think it's def been canceled. I mean come on, they are showing off the next 3d castlevania yet show the other one first? It's obvious they were working on that and they didn't like what they saw so they scrapped it and said IGA can continue to work on 2d games while this new group gets the 3d shot.
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i don't think it is a 3D Castlevania in the normal sense, but a Dracula X Chronicles 2.5D style game. that way, it wouldn't be redundant to LoS. heck, it might even be a 3D upgrade to SotN like DXC was to RoB, but I hope its something new.
i've said before i'm going to continue to hold a reasonable amount of hope that this game will happen unless we find out Iga's next "big" project is something totally non-Castlevania related.
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Dead. That's it.
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I remember this clip from a previous thread. Didn't they show this long before LoS was even anounced?
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It's not going to be made. Even if it did it would have been like Curse of Darkness I bet. :-[
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they showed the clip after we already knew about Lords of Shadows, but didn't know it was a Castlevania game (but apparently LoS was always intended to be a CV game). hence why i doubt it'll be a full 3D game, since that would be redundant.
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Wow, look at all the Debbie Downers in this thread. ;)
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I've said this before and I'll say it again;
IGA didn't even want them to show this game, he thought it was too early. Konami probably showed it because they were unsure about LoS at the time. Now that LoS is coming, they don't wanna talk about the IGA Vania to avoid confusion. After LoS is released, we'll probably hear about this game. I would be VERY surprised if it's cancelled.
Someone should ask Cox, he probably knows. If the game is indeed cancelled there shouldn't be a problem talking about it, right? The silence from Konami makes me think the game is still in development.
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All the signs would say it's not going to happen.
Mr. Cox: "This is not going to be a game that is remade or rehashed with imagery that you are familiar with. Why? Because this is one of the core reasons people have not been buying the games. This game is taking a different approach. A new look and new game play elements to broaden the appeal."
"... the sad fact is that this tiny minority who cling to the same formula are just that, a tiny minority, and pandering to the likes of them has made the series unattractive to the market at large and resulted in a tiny number of sales."
"There are a whole host of reasons why we chose to change the look and the feel of the game, some of which I have already touched upon. If you think CV games haven't done well simply because of game play you are wrong, I am afraid. The DS games have great game play, in my opinion, but people aren't buying them, either. The visuals and the visual choices are not popular amongst the gaming public at large."
IGA could well be working on a new 2D series though.
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I think those are all Cox's personal opinions, and if anything, that would prove that IGA ISN'T working on a 2D DS game.
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If we have learned anything from the last 10 years of Castlevania games, it should be obvious that IGA is working on another DS (or DS 2) game, but wants to wait for the release date for the DS 2 to be finalized before making any official announcement.
Furthermore, the reason that Kojima, and Dave Cox and Mercury Steam are making Lords of Shadow, is so that Iga and crew can take their time and focus on the Alucard game...which has more expectations to live up to than any castlevania game evar.
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I think those are all Cox's personal opinions, and if anything, that would prove that IGA ISN'T working on a 2D DS game.
I hope you're right.
If we have learned anything from the last 10 years of Castlevania games, it should be obvious that IGA is working on another DS (or DS 2) game, but wants to wait for the release date for the DS 2 to be finalized before making any official announcement.
Furthermore, the reason that Kojima, and Dave Cox and Mercury Steam are making Lords of Shadow, is so that Iga and crew can take their time and focus on the Alucard game...which has more expectations to live up to than any castlevania game evar.
This is what I'm thinking.
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Taken from here (http://"http://g4tv.com/games/ps3/62174/castlevania-lords-of-shadow/articles/68404/Castlevania-Lords-Of-Shadow-GamesCom-2009-David-Cox-Interview/"):
G4: So, is this defining what the clean break – what Konami’s relationship with [Koji] Igarashi-san is?
Cox: No, I don’t think so. I know Igarashi’s company is working on projects. I don’t know anything more than that. So, I’m sure he’s gonna make some big announcements and I’m sure he’s other things. He’s a very talented guy.
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Personally I think it got canned but there isn't any evidence that proves it actually did so as of right now the whole being put on "freeze" seems to be the best way to describe it.
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they showed the clip after we already knew about Lords of Shadows, but didn't know it was a Castlevania game (but apparently LoS was always intended to be a CV game). hence why i doubt it'll be a full 3D game, since that would be redundant.
Actually they showed this trailer long before they announced Lords of Shadow. They showed this trailer at TGS 2008 which was in October I believe, and they announced Lords of Shadow at E3 2009 which was in June. So they announced Lords of Shadow 8 months after they showed the trailer for this game. Hopefully we hear something at E3, if not then I think it's definitely been canned.
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no, E3 2009 was when they told us Lords of Shadows was a Castlevania game. it had been known for about a year before then as a stand-alone game without the "Castlevania" title in it.
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The only problem I see with this game still being in development is that the teaser trailer - quite frankly - looked like utter c r a p. It reminded me of a Playstation 1 cutscene. The teaser said the game was for the 360 and PS3 (right?) which is downright odd. The PSP can produce better stuff than this. But yeah, no need to jump the conclusions just yet...
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heh, if i found out that they officially canceled it i would say "i'm not surprised". but if i found that they are officially making it, i would also say "i'm not surprised". so, i'll go with what i hope is the case and believe it until shown otherwise.
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I think its unlikely that this game will ever see the light of day. Konami has thrown their eggs into the Lords of Shadow basket. If that game is successful, subsequent Castlevania installments will likely follow in that style and storyline. It would be foolish of them to confuse the new players they brought into the series by immediately shifting gears back to the old style that wasn't working before (at least from a financial perspective), after spending all this money and effort to re-brand Castlevania for a new audience.
Conversely, if Lords of Shadow bombs, you won't see this game either. A LoS failure will only prove to the Konami suits that Castlevania just doesn't sell. Iga's games didn't sell, the new direction didn't sell either, so what's Konami to do? Put the Castlevania series in a box in the attic and focus on game series that are more profitable.
I think the only hope this game had was to release before Lords of Shadow, sort of a last hurrah for Iga before launching the new direction. Since Lords releases later this year, and its been over a year and a half since we've heard a peep on this game, I think its safe to say its dead.
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Did you even read what people in this thread said at all?
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I don't think we should take this reboot too seriously really. Mercury Steam is having a go at the franchise - fine! But IGA is most definitely not done with the series. Just because Lords of Shadows is in the making doesn't mean we'll never revisit the old metroidvania style or even the old timeline. What makes some people think that every game in the series from now on MUST be modeled after LoS if it turns out a success? Is every Zelda game modeled after Ocarina of Time? No. Is every Mario game like Super Mario 64? No. And Castlevania has proven time and time again that it changes every once in a while. It goes back and forth from oldschool to Metroidvania to DMC-clones to fighters, and then back to oldschool sidescrolling again.
And we don't even know if this patricular "secret IGAvania" is anything like any of the older games. People just assume it is because it's being developed by IGA. It may be something completely different. In fact, I can almost guarentee it's not gonna be modeled after either SotN nor LoI/CoD. That is, if the game is not cancelled. And we don't know that. Not you, not me - no one. Except Konami.
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I don't think we should take this reboot too seriously really. Mercury Steam is having a go at the franchise - fine! But IGA is most definitely not done with the series. Just because Lords of Shadows is in the making doesn't mean we'll never revisit the old metroidvania style or even the old timeline. What makes some people think that every game in the series from now on MUST be modeled after LoS if it turns out a success? Is every Zelda game modeled after Ocarina of Time? No. Is every Mario game like Super Mario 64? No. And Castlevania has proven time and time again that it changes every once in a while. It goes back and forth from oldschool to Metroidvania to DMC-clones to fighters, and then back to oldschool sidescrolling again.
And we don't even know if this patricular "secret IGAvania" is anything like any of the older games. People just assume it is because it's being developed by IGA. It may be something completely different. In fact, I can almost guarentee it's not gonna be modeled after either SotN nor LoI/CoD. That is, if the game is not cancelled. And we don't know that. Not you, not me - no one. Except Konami.
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Well said!!! I personally think that the "secret IGAvania" has just been put on hold for now and we will hear more about it after LoS has been released. Being that we don't know much about that "IGAvania", it could turn out completely different from what any of us think. If LoS does well, then the IGAvania may be modeled after it. Keep in mind this is just speculation.
All we can do is watch and wait as things develop.
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Suddenly, IGA returns to roots, roots even deeper than you can imagine.
Tokimeki Castlevania, the stunning gothic dating sim.
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In Reply To #23,
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Was getting tired of reading those nonsensical posts claiming otherwise.
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I don't think we should take this reboot too seriously really. Mercury Steam is having a go at the franchise - fine! But IGA is most definitely not done with the series. Just because Lords of Shadows is in the making doesn't mean we'll never revisit the old metroidvania style or even the old timeline. What makes some people think that every game in the series from now on MUST be modeled after LoS if it turns out a success? Is every Zelda game modeled after Ocarina of Time? No. Is every Mario game like Super Mario 64? No. And Castlevania has proven time and time again that it changes every once in a while. It goes back and forth from oldschool to Metroidvania to DMC-clones to fighters, and then back to oldschool sidescrolling again.
And we don't even know if this patricular "secret IGAvania" is anything like any of the older games. People just assume it is because it's being developed by IGA. It may be something completely different. In fact, I can almost guarentee it's not gonna be modeled after either SotN nor LoI/CoD. That is, if the game is not cancelled. And we don't know that. Not you, not me - no one. Except Konami.
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This is something I've said many times for many games, and yeah, the proof is in the pudding. Maximo didn't kill off the original Ghost N Goblins series. Final Fantasy didn't concentrate FULLY on JUST science fiction/futuristic games after FFVII, and would turn it's back on the medieval setting of the classic games(like many thought). Hell, just because people remade George Romero's zombie flicks doesn't mean HE'D stop creating movies that take place in his own continuity(and that, say, Zack Snyder's vision will become the new standard from now on, as far as "...Of The Dead" movies were concerned. Just because Marvel created the Ultimate universe doesn't mean the classic universe was rendered obsolete(Ultimate came and went, hehehe). This happens with everything, and like I said, the proof is out there, plain as day. I mean, "New Coke" what? Nuff said!
What strikes me more is that some people could have so little faith in a series they supposadly love.
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What strikes me more is that some people could have so little faith in a series they supposadly love.
Yeah, it's odd. Though there are a LOT of people here who claim they hate everything IGA has done post SotN. Of course I don't believe a single word they say, cause no one in their right mind would cling to a VG message board for years if they hate all the games in question. That's just... not normal. I stopped going to Shining Force-boards because the new games in the series were atrocious. I just didn't care anymore.
I bet a majority of us in here enjoyed even the later Castlevania games - HoD, CoD, PoR - or whatever is generally considered to be the "worst" of IGAs efforts. And PoR is only "bad" because it has silly main characters and some questionable recycled level design (which isn't as bad as some people say. The "dark portraits" were not executed well, but other than that the level design is actually superior to that of OoE. In my opinion). The only game I really couldn't stand was Judgment. I liked watching the game, but play it? no way. It was just awkward.
Gee.. I can't even remember what the topic was anymore... oh yes, the secret IGAvania...
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Reading all those posts from Cox really amplifies one of my major gripes with Konami and the LoS reboot. They keep going on and on about how huge of a failure the Iga games are and how they just clearly haven't been working or selling to the general public--this is either very creative goal-posts movement (defining the series as a failure in comparison to mega-sellers like Mario, God of War or other flagship tent-pole titles), or they are reaching this conclusion disastrously late. They've been making at least one game a year for quite some time now, and I can only reasonably conclude that they've been making a profit or else they're very slow to analyze their sales and budgeting numbers.
Either way, I'd appreciate it if Cox and Konami would stop histrionically declaring the series in ruin and in dire need of rebooting. If they want to shake things up in the interest of gaining a larger audience and more success than the franchise has enjoyed lately, that's perfectly fine, and makes all the business sense in the world. But turning on the waterworks to pretend the series hasn't had any success is a slight to all of us who have been buying every installment, even the ones we weren't entirely wild about.
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well said. i don't blame them for taking the tact they have, but it is irritating.
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They've been making at least one game a year for quite some time now, and I can only reasonably conclude that they've been making a profit or else they're very slow to analyze their sales and budgeting numbers.
I completely agree.
I honestly thought the DS games sold reasonably well?
My only guess is that Cox is comparing Castlevania to GTA or Halo. And yes, Castlevania is not up there, or even close. LoS may very well sell more copies than both PS2 Vanias combined, but I think the OMG MULTIBILLION DOLLAR train kinda left years ago. Castlevania could definitely need a boost, but I think Konami is kidding themselves when thinking they're gonna compete with GTA, Halo, GoW or even Devil May Cry. It ain't gonna happen.
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What strikes me more is that some people could have so little faith in a series they supposadly love.
I think some people are putting much of their faith in change, and in Lords of Shadows.
I really hope it is successful for Konami. To my mind, there's absolutely no reason why Mercurysteam and Cox/Kojima cannot create a game which is as good (better even!) than the likes of DMC or God of War. Did anyone play DMC4? Enjoyable, but not terribly great to my mind. And this seems to be the year for action adventure, I just hope Konami don't "miss the boat". :) edit: I also think the worry is that, with all the competition, the game may get overlooked a bit, so it may be difficult to compete given those conditions (i.e. people may have had had enough with the genre).
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Did anyone play DMC4? Enjoyable, but not terribly great to my mind. And this seems to be the year for action adventure, I just hope Konami don't "miss the boat". :) edit: I also think the worry is that, with all the competition, the game may get overlooked a bit, so it may be difficult to compete given those conditions (i.e. people may have had had enough with the genre).
I actually liked DMC4 a lot. It may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I think it's really fun and stylish. Hardcore fans probably disagree, especially after DMC3 which I understand is considered the pinnacle of the series. I thought it was too hard and got kinda tired of dying all the time. Have no patience for such things these days. I'm too old.
Anyway, I don't think the genre is in any danger of being exhausted anytime soon. The biggest problem for LoS is probably that it's a Castlevania game. No matter how much Cox believes that this reboot will attract new players, the name Castlevania is wellknown, and most people will not even know that it's a reboot (unless it says so on the box). They'll think to themselves; "Castlevania? Nah, I didn't like that DS game.. what was the name again? Oh yes, Dawn of the Ecclesia Portait! I'm gonna pass on this".
People are ignorant like that.
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I think we finally know the true fate of the TGS 2008 game:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1082798p1.html
Here's a quote from the article: "Even more surprising is the previously undisclosed fact that there were in fact a number of prototypes in parallel development competing to continue development as the current generation's Castlevania resurgence. "Konami came to us and said 'Japan is going to pitch, America is going to pitch, and you guys are going to pitch. We'll pick one" to make the series exciting again, Cox told me."
If that is true, then the game that was shown at TGS 2008 had to be the prototype that the Japan team pitched and that Lords of Shadow was chosen over. Does that mean Iga is completely done with the series? Not necessarily, its very possible that he will continue making handheld games. But does that mean that the game Iga was creating to be the current gen console version of Castlevania is dead? Most likely.
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That's what we have been saying since long ago, and the reason I think it's completely scrapped.
Move over guys, there's nothing to see here (about the game, not your post ^^)
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I really have to wonder at this point if anything beyond that rudimentary teaser was ever actually produced for SoTN2. It may have just been blue sky; Team Japan's last minute thrown-together pitch to come up with something, anything to secure the project. Perhaps we'll never know. . .
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Team Japan's last minute thrown-together pitch to come up with something, anything to secure the project. Perhaps we'll never know. . .
Wow, i never thought about it, yeah, it could be used like a way to put pressure on KOnami to aprove Iga's project, however it went wrong lol
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So that's the end of the next gen Alucard game eh?
Oh well, I hope to see what IGA is planning to do next but we might end up waiting for a loooong time.
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Well, they did say IGA was STILL with Konami and was working on "something" last we heard. Even if it's not a console CV, it's something. So, who knows?
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Next IGA game will be launch title for the 3DS, watch ;D
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And to think that Konami would show this trailer at TGS and then change its mind... They must've been pretty anxious to show the teaser, and confident too! Even IGA didn't wanna show it that early, but Konami insisted. That must mean that Konami didn't really believe in LoS at first, so Mercury Steam worked their asses off in the following months - with great results, it seems.
I still wanna hear someone from Konami say "Yes, the TGS 2008 Teaser trailer with Alucard in it, was only a pitch. The game is cancelled and replaced by Lords of Shadow.". After that I can rest my mind.
EDIT: Just thinking.... isn't there be a chance that the japanese prototype or the american prototype for a current-gen Castlevania could be in development still? Maybe Konami, in fact, liked all three prototypes, or at least two of them? And that it will be released after LoS? I'm not saying it's the Alucardvania, but what about the american one? Maybe Konami just picked the european prototype as the Castlevania for 2010? (Christ, I'm still not accepting that this game is canceled...) :D
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i can personally think of a way were Konami can still release the next gen Alucard game while NOT being in competition with LOS.
and thats to make it a next gen 2.5d game to be released shorty AFTER LOS.
that way all parties could be happy in my opinion.
if you remember it was never said that the game would be a full blown 3d game so this could very well be likely
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EDIT: Just thinking.... isn't there be a chance that the japanese prototype or the american prototype for a current-gen Castlevania could be in development still? Maybe Konami, in fact, liked all three prototypes, or at least two of them? And that it will be released after LoS? I'm not saying it's the Alucardvania, but what about the american one? Maybe Konami just picked the european prototype as the Castlevania for 2010? (Christ, I'm still not accepting that this game is canceled...) :D
That would be heaven.
By the way, I'm pretty sure that some guy at Konami said the Alucard game was in "freeze mode" and I believe this was said AFTER E3 2010. I'm sure of it.
But we probably have to wait until E3 or TGS next year until news of it comes out. Man, I wish it was like the summer of 2008 again when they announced some exciting Castlevania news every week or so. Good times. :(
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By the way, I'm pretty sure that some guy at Konami said the Alucard game was in "freeze mode" and I believe this was said AFTER E3 2010. I'm sure of it.
E3 2010 is yet to happen. Are you from the future? :) I hope we get more news at E3, hopefully there will be another CV on 3DS, by IGA! Maybe it is that Alucard game and it found its way to the handheld.
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Oh, I meant E3 09. :P
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Let's just be patient and wait to here the official word on whether the Alucardvania is canceled or not. The only canceled CV I know of was Resurrection for dreamcast and that we had an official word on. We have yet to have one for the Alucardvania. The game is likely in a "freeze mode" and will likely stay that way until a few months after LoS is released. As I said, we should just be patient and wait for the official word of cancellation, that is if it is truly canceled.
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Yes, let's be patient. I'm still super curious to what IGA's doing with Konami. He's working on SOMETHING.
But, I am wondering, also, what the American team was pitching. If it was anything like Resurrection(which was also American), it might've been for the best.
Well, anyhow, if there is a sliver of a chance, and we are getting other games AFTER LoS, who knows? My guess was that, if IGA's still a part of the CV team at Konami, maybe he's holding out to see what Mercury Steam does with LoS, and taking notes on how to do things right.
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Yes, let's be patient. I'm still super curious to what IGA's doing with Konami. He's working on SOMETHING.
But, I am wondering, also, what the American team was pitching. If it was anything like Resurrection(which was also American), it might've been for the best.
Well, anyhow, if there is a sliver of a chance, and we are getting other games AFTER LoS, who knows? My guess was that, if IGA's still a part of the CV team at Konami, maybe he's holding out to see what Mercury Steam does with LoS, and taking notes on how to do things right.
There's also a chance that whatever the american team pitched, will end up being a new game, unrelated to Castlevania. Unless Konami was really just looking for ONE game and threw everything else away. Sounds like such a waste of time for both the japanese and the american teams though...
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There's also a chance that whatever the american team pitched, will end up being a new game, unrelated to Castlevania. Unless Konami was really just looking for ONE game and threw everything else away. Sounds like such a waste of time for both the japanese and the american teams though...
Agreed.
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It DOES seem like a waste of time, especially considering how much it must cost to make a trailer to showcase your pitch. I mean, add on to that the potential of the teams coming up with their own characters, story ideas and such, just to build a teaser around them.