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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Super Waffle on August 27, 2010, 03:27:44 PM
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my god. It's dawned to me. After eluding me for years (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20135#p240057), I now understand how Sony ultimately got the PS3 to sell competently despite constant marketing and PR mismanagement. To see it for yourself, you only need to consider the following words spoken by Rene Emile Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Ark:
Dr. Jones, again we see there is nothing you can possess which I cannot take away.
Now apply this theory to:
- Your money (referring to the PS3's initial $600 price tag and it's ongoing status as the most expensive gaming console available while offering no major technological advantage over its closest rival, other than maybe less disc-swapping)
- PS2 backwards compatibility
- Playstation Network (referencing the disastrous March 2010 glitch)
It all makes sense now. The reason why people find the PS3 appealing is because it's being subliminally advertised as a suave, antagonistic fictional character from a 1980s adventure movie. There is no other logical explanation.
Do you have a better explanation?
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looks like somebody is a Microsoft fanboy
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Or you know... he could just be making a joke.
And just because he doesn't like the ps3 means that he's a microsoft fan boy... maybe he jsut doens't like the ps3, or sony, or the color black on his consoles.
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A PS3 Slim is actually quite affordable these days. You don't spend $600 anymore (that I know of).
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I don't really care much for either the PS3 or 360. Modern games are just...so boring to me. They offer nothing that intrigues me. When gaming, both systems I use mostly for downloading older games or new sidescrollers. The PS3 I use the most, but as a Blu-ray and upscaling DVD player. It's very good for that.
I'm all about the Wii. Houses more of the quirky niche games that I enjoy. Been playing Wario Land: Shake It! a bunch lately, and enjoying the poo out of it. Plus the Virtual Console is overall just a better system for classic game re-releases. Compare the Sonic games on the Wii to their 360 counterparts; the latter look ultra shitty and filtered, even with all filters in the options turned off.
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Holy, I hope you're joking... wii? Seriously?
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I have all 3 systems, and I play them all equally. But lately I've been showing love to the Wii with MMX Collection & Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. Haven't played Harmony of Despair in a few weeks... haven't touched the PS3 in a while but that'll soon change once LoS is released.
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looks like somebody is a Microsoft fanboy
Simply acknowledging the endless marketing faults of Sony and seeking a more sane alternative does not a fanboy make.
Or you know... he could just be making a joke.
No joke. I am thoroughly baffled over how Sony got the PS3 to actually sell. I am honestly half-convinced that they've secretly discovered magic exists and they figured out how to squeeze blood out of a turnip. I'm not quite ready to give up my faith in humanity and say people are just that stupid.
And just because he doesn't like the ps3 means that he's a microsoft fan boy... maybe he jsut doens't like the ps3, or sony, or the color black on his consoles.
The only home consoles I own are a 360 Elite and a black Gamecube.
A PS3 Slim is actually quite affordable these days. You don't spend $600 anymore (that I know of).
It's still a relative problem. You apparently didn't read the thread I linked to, but I already said:
[PS2 games aren't backwards compatible on Slim PS3s] because PS2 games need the Emotion Chip to run. Only the original PS3 line has a physical Emotion Chip built into the console, and it was removed from the Slim line to keep costs down. There have supposedly been attempts to re-enable PS2 backwards compatibility by emulating the Emotion Chip, but obviously all of these attempts have failed.
So, yeah, to recap: Sony released an overpriced piece of crap and nobody bought it. Sony then re-released it as an even bigger piece of crap to slightly lower its price while still making it $100 more expensive than any other starting console at the time (Xbox Arcade and the Wii were both $199 by that point). And then it magically sold like hotcakes.
Your guess is as good as mine.
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So... this is basically a "ps3 is stupid" thread.
Despite all the problems the ps3 may have, it still doesn't compare to the 360's RROD, that 95% of owners have experienced. Microsoft doesn't have a clean track record either. Nyah!
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So... this is basically a "ps3 is stupid" thread.
From his reply... yea...pretty much he's just hatin' on the ps3. I'm not entirely disagreeing with him, but seriously, hate in your own room, don't bring out here.
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This isn't Gamefaqs. What are you trying to accomplish here exactly? So far you've made yourself look quite silly.
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I never pain $600 for my PS3 and it's one of the older system. And I also bought it back when they were still hot on the shelf. Mine is backwards-compatable for both PS2 and PSX games and it only cost me about $499 or so. I do find the PS# to be a much more stable system then the XBOX 360. At least that's how it is with the older 360 systems. I'm not sure about the newer fance-looking ones as I have yet to look into them. But I know I will not pick up a 360 until 'ALL' the bugs and mechanical problems have been eliminated. I will not stand for the red ring of death. :P
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I love having a ps3, I've never had problems with it, the psn and online features are perfect, the exclusives for the ps3 interest me more than the ones for the 360, its got a blu-ray player, which is great, and even though mine isn't backwards compatible I don't care cause I have a ps2. I payed $400 for it and don't regret it at all, I think its well worth it.
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Isn't the only Xbox360 exclusive game the Halo series? I'm pretty sure you can download most of the "exclusive non ps3" titles on Steam or something. Even Mass Effect 2 is now coming to PS3, but It's been on PC forever.
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It's got Operation Darkness too, which is a pretty kick ass game imo. Though I doubt a lot of other people would think so.
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Yeah the only two I could think of at the moment are gears of war and halo, and they don't interest me, ps3 has uncharted and god of war and mgs4, so ill take those over anything on 360 any day
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Holy, I hope you're joking... wii? Seriously?
You're fucking right I'm serious.
These are some of the games that I love for the system, the kind of stuff that's actually fun—and not all about running down ugly monochromatic corridors accompanied by piss-poor, repeated, backward-thinking gameplay:
No More Heroes
No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories (better on Wii than PS2 'cos of motion controls and slightly better graphics and effects)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (though I prefer this on GameCube despite its lack of 16:9)
Mario Kart Wii
Wario Land: Shake It!
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
MadWorld
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Smash-Up
Resident Evil 4 (the best version of the game available)
A Boy and His Blob
Elebits
The House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return
The House of the Dead: Overkill
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Rayman: Raving Rabbids
Excite Truck
Resident Evil Archives: Resident Evil (better than the GameCube one since this one's progressive scan)
Resident Evil Archives: Resident Evil Zero (same as above; progressive scan makes a huge difference, especially on an HDTV)
Boom Blox
And I still have to get Sin & Punishment: Star Successor. Then there's some other games I own but haven't gotten around to playing yet that I'm sure kick ass, such as de Blob, Let's Tap, Dewy's Adventure, Nights: Journey of Dreams, Little King's Story, and Metroid Prime Trilogy (though I hear the first two games are missing some effects present in the GameCube versions, which sucks, but adds widescreen support and supposedly some new textures and effects).
There's also some great-looking games coming out:
Metroid: Other M
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Donkey Kong Country Returns
GoldenEye 007 (on the N64, one of the last great first-person shooters, in my opinion—I can't stand the FPS genre now besides something rare and unique like BioShock; the whole genre has plateaued)
There's also some really great WiiWare games:
Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth
Contra ReBirth
Zombie Panic in Wonderland
Mega Man 9 (according to critics it's best on Wii)
Mega Man 10 (not sure if this one is, though)
Muscle March
—and probably others I'm forgetting
Add all that to the great backlog of amazing old school games, including previously-unreleased-in-North-America games like Sin and Punishment (now, like all the other Virtual Console N64 games, in full 480p resolution, so it looks and operates way better than on its native console, barring lack of ideal N64 controller; Nintendo oughta release an N64 Classic Controller) and DoReMi Fantasy, and you've got one kick-ass little console.
So yeah, I'm serious. For my tastes, Wii wins this console generation hands-down. Couple that with the amazing library the DS has, and the ever-rockin' DSi XL, and I'm one happy Nintendo fan.
The games I've enjoyed on the PS3 and 360 are few, and most of the ones I do like are PSN and XBLA games (mostly ports). Though the 360 has Deadly Premonition, one of my favorite games in recent memory, and I thoroughly enjoyed Silent Hill: Homecoming and Heavy Rain on the PS3 (and am looking forward to playing Siren: Blood Curse). Currently playing 3D Dot Game Heroes, which also rules.
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I have to agree, the wii is awesome, has a lot of great games and gets shit on all the time, and I don't understand why. For a long time I was playing the wii more than my ps3. It's a great piece of hardware, it would be nice if it got more credit
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I can't agree... while it has it's games..... most of them are pretty crappy imo. And most of the good games are 1st party...
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No joke. I am thoroughly baffled over how Sony got the PS3 to actually sell. I am honestly half-convinced that they've secretly discovered magic exists and they figured out how to squeeze blood out of a turnip. I'm not quite ready to give up my faith in humanity and say people are just that stupid.
I bought my PS3 solely as a Blu-ray player, and a lot of people I know did the same as well. Could be why it's sold quite a lot of units; it's still one of the best BD players on the market for its price, in that the load times are quick and it upscales DVDs to 1080p better than any other BD player or DVD upconverter in its price range. Gaming on it is just something I do whenever something cool comes along—and boy am I looking forward to The Last Guardian.
Oh yeah, and there's also Metal Gear Solid 4. That probably sold a lot of consoles—and supposedly the MGS4 PS3 bundle had the EmotionEngine. Wish I had friggin' known that when it came out; I would have bought it for sure.
Whenever a game comes out on both 360 and PS3, I read up on any graphical or performance capabilities one might have over the other. I chose Resident Evil 5 for the 360 because, well, I can't remember anymore, lol, but I think it had something to do with faster rendering, although if I recall, the PS3 slightly edged it out in graphical detail up close. But I'll take smoother gameplay over that.
But, I usually go for the PS3 version of a game. It's a sturdier console, built much better to be sure. I was kinda worried though when I bought BioShock 2 for the PS3, thinking I may not like playing with the PS3 controller, but it came perfectly natural to me; didn't feel any worse than using the 360's.
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I can't agree... while it has it's games..... most of them are pretty crappy imo. And most of the good games are 1st party...
Which of the games in my list did you play and think were bad?
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I would love to try my Wii on a projector, but my room isn't big enough. It's just physics.
I still haven't beat Muramasa. That game is beautiful.
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I had a falling out with Mario after 64, so the mario games.
I can't say Muramasa was bad, but I really didn't enjoy it much at all. It was interesting though, but I couldn't get into it.
I never played no more heroes.
Brawl is boring imo, but I just hate that style, i guess.
Zelda was fun... for a while, near the end it just seemed to drag.
Rayman just sucks... period. Never played taht specific one, and I do admit that the trailers kind of interested me but mini games is just meh.
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It's just a difference of likes and interests then, ha. The Wii's library practically caters to my tastes.
I don't know whether you'd enjoy them, but the No More Heroes games are two of the best I've played. Ever. If you go into them with the wrong mindset, you may find that the repetitive, rather simplistic gameplay gets old fast, but it's more so about the experience than anything. Same goes for killer7, directed by the same guy, and also one of my absolute favorite games.
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I've been enjoying the hell of out of my Wii and play it at least seven times more than my ps3.
Pretty much, all of the games that Abnormal Freak has described (I also love World of Goo, haha).
On top of that, now that my Wii emulators can play Playstation and N64 at nearly-full speed, I can play Castlevania Chronicles and Symphony of the Night on my Wii. I can play 'almost' every CV!, hahaha! Including Haunted Castle on MAME! Hahaha!
So yeah, it's no joke, the Wii has a nice bunch of games that cater to my interest. No waggle, either, all cool gaming.
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yeah the wiis were its at... if you hate on it cause you think itd kiddy or the graphics suck your only hurtin yourself. The wii is somethin any gamer should want if for nothin more than the virtual console. Add in how easy they are to softmod and you can do anythin ya want with em like Jorge just said with the emulators
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Yeah! Here is my Wii-Friendly Castlevania Emulation extravaganza:
Super Castlevania IV - via Virtual Console
Castlevania - DraculaX: Rondo of Blood - via Virtual Console
Castlevania (NES) - via Virtual Console
Castlevania Adventure Rebirth - Via WiiWare
FCE Ultra GX - For Castlevania 1, 2, 3, Akumajo Densetu, and Kid Dracula.
BlueMSX-Wii - For Vampire Killer, Metal Gear 2.
SDL Mame Wii - For Haunted Castle Version K, M
Snes9XGX - For Castlevania: DraculaXX (SNES), also again for SCV4.
VBAGX - For Circle of the Moon, Harmony of Dissonance, Aria of Sorrow. ALSO for Castlevania Adventure, Belmonts' Revenge, Legends.
WiiSX - For Castlevania Chronicles, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
Genesis Plus GX - For Castlevania Bloodlines
Technically, Yabuse can play Nocturne in the Moonlight (Saturn) but it's not full-speed yet. And Wii64 doesn't seem to load Castlevani64 or Legacy of Darkness yet, so I have to wait for an update. There is a DS emu for the Wii but it's not full-speed yet either. Otherwise I'd have almost every CV in my Wii.
Also honorable mention to DOSBOX Wii (DOS), GxGeo (Neo Geo), Hugo GX (PC-Engine), NeoPop Wii (Neo Geo Pocket Color), Quasi88 (PC-88 and 98, so I can play the Castlevania clone game "Rusty"), ScummVM (Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion games), SMS Plus (Sega Master System), and Wii2600 (all Atari games).
Also, Sin & Punishment: Star Successor is a fantastic game.
EDIT:
I finished Castlevania Chronicles' Original Mode on the Wii, wh00t! Definitely playable:
(http://www.inverteddungeon.com/jorgefuentes/images3/cvchron-wii.jpg)
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dude whats the DS emu? I havent seen it
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I only have a PStripple at the moment, but I want a Wii and Xbox 360 p_p
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FCE Ultra GX - For Castlevania 1, 2, 3, Akumajo Densetu, and Kid Dracula.
I like how this emulator has a palette now that kind of resembles the actual NES colors.
How are the MAME and N64 emulators? They were pretty crappy years ago, so never looked back into them. Heard MAME took forever to load a game. Is this still the case?
Also, DOSBOX? On Wii? I'll have to look into this.
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On SDL MAME Wii, Haunted Castle plays at full speed, and the loading time is minimal.
However, I have not tried 'heavy' ROMs. I don't think it will play CPS3 games like Third Strike or Super SF II.
N64 Emulation, a long while ago, was pretty crappy, and you'd only get 15-20 frames per second...
HOWEVER, the latest version of Wii64 is just about as fast as it should be. It's much much much better than it used to be. My nephew and I have been enjoying Mario Kart 64 at nearly-full speed (the original N64 one was used as a test, and even that version, on original hardware, did not run at full frames per second. By comparison, I will be trying out F-ZeroX because that one did run at nearly 60fps on original hardware).
So it's pretty great now! :D
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So... this is basically a "ps3 is stupid" thread.
Despite all the problems the ps3 may have, it still doesn't compare to the 360's RROD, that 95% of owners have experienced. Microsoft doesn't have a clean track record either. Nyah!
I guess the point the thread starter wanted to make was this: Why buy a ps3 at 3 times the price of the other two consoles while it only has slightly better graphics and a bigger HDD? (not that I care)
Sure the PS3 was overpriced, true. Reason number one I didn't buy it, that and the fact that only very few PS3 exclusives were games that I wanted to play so I could just borrow a friends console for that.
Not sure if these were still xbox360 only exclusives but amongst them I liked:
Kingdom under fire: Circle of Doom (it's predecessors kicked even more ass but that aside)
DOA
Dead Rising
Fable II
Operation darkness
But who cares? all three consoles can be used for a variety of purposes: PS3 = Blu-Ray player
xbox360 can still be modded but not the the extent the old xbox was, wii has come in the place for that as Jorge has shown. And let's be honest, who doesn't want a single console he or she can play a thousand games on without lifting a finger? Sure as hell I do, reason why my most used consoles to this day are xbox (classic you heard me right) and wii having recently purchased it I'm lovin it more than I have the PS3 and 360 thus far.
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What am I missingz? :( I tried a number of ROMs with Wii64 and they all run shatty, no matter how many times I fiddle with the video and CPU core options.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the speed of my SD card? Data transfers on it rather slowly. Could also be the ROMs? I'm using US ones, with the little bracketed exclamation mark [!] which I thought were the most stable ROMs, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Super Waffle, your thread has backfired. Nyah!
I was thinking on hacking my Wii but I never went through with it. Last I recall I needed a copy of Twilight Princess. Dunno if there's a new method now. Playing every CV except the ps2 ones on 1 console sounds awesome.
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I guess the point the thread starter wanted to make was this: Why buy a ps3 at 3 times the price of the other two consoles while it only has slightly better graphics and a bigger HDD? (not that I care)
Sure the PS3 was overpriced, true. Reason number one I didn't buy it, that and the fact that only very few PS3 exclusives were games that I wanted to play so I could just borrow a friends console for that.
Not sure if these were still xbox360 only exclusives but amongst them I liked:
Kingdom under fire: Circle of Doom (it's predecessors kicked even more ass but that aside)
DOA
Dead Rising
Fable II
Operation darkness
Woah, another Operation Darkness fan! Awesome! I also loved Circle of Doom, but I was never a fan of the series.
At first, the PS3 sounded pretty awesome. But it was so costly.
Then it got a bit less in money but it's not as awesome... they went back on everything they were going on about. PS2 backward compatibility was what really made me ignore the console for the most part. I have lots fo PS2 games that I like. And back then the PS3 had minuscule number of games that I was interested in. Though more games are popping up... like the Last Guardian.
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@Kale
Yeah I would probably enjoy my PS3 if it had PS2 backwards compatibility... but then again, my PS2 is right there, so that's no problem for me.
As for the 'bigger hard drive', I'm savvy enough that I can swap out hard-drives on my PS3 (you just buy a new laptop-style hard drive and swap it if you need new space). So I purposefully chose to buy the lowest HDD PSP-Slim, so that I can just cheaply replace the drive when I need to. ;)
@Freak
Which version of the emulator do you have? They have a new version that came out only last month. I use the Homebrew Browser to update all of my emulators, whenever I have a chance. I also love how some emulators self-update when you run 'em (FCE UltraGX, Snes9xGX, and VBA-GX do this).
@Crisis
Wow, the Twilight Hack. No, people don't use that anymore. There are much simpler, much easier methods, now that you can load games off the SD Card Slot. You download a special trick 'game' and put it in your SD Card, then when you go to your Wii Menu, choose to load that 'game' and it'll exploit the system and install the Homebrew Channel (and if your system isn't updated, it might even give you more functions and a secondary boot process so you can 'backup' your entire system). Once you have the Homebrew Channel, plenty of emulators and some decent homebrew games become available through the "Homebrew Browser" app.
I love playing Quake on the Wii with Wii controls! xD
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I thought the old one uses 3.5 hdds. Does the new slim use 2.5s? But someone I know said it's the same... maybe it was in a different context.
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Quake on Wiiz iz funz. But sucks that it lacks the music. Unless there's a newer version of it that does play the tunes (like MP3s or something, or maybe enables the music to be played from the PC game disc)?
I downloaded the most recent Wii64 available on WiiBrew just last night—so, Beta 1.1 "Honey".
I used the Smash Stack (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Smash_Stack) method last night to install HBC and BootMii. I had had (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher) all this stuff on my Wii long ago, but wiped it clean with a Nintendo system update because I noticed some weird sound issues going on ever since a friend of mine did some overly complex hacking to my Wii. This was after the Twilight Hack was obsolete and before saner methods appeared, and I can't remember why my HBC and stuff disappeared after installing it that way, lol. Probably having to do with another system update to play a game or use the store. But yeah, Smash Stack was super easy, if ya own Brawl.
Only thing is I kinda hate having to go to the BootMii menu when firing up the system. Shoulda done BootMini? Apparently you access it through the HBC. But I backed up my Wii, in case something horrible ever happens.
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I don't need to go through BootMii to boot the system, and you shouldn't either.
For me, you'd only go through Bootmii if you hold RESET as you turn the Wii on.
You can probably configure your Bootmii to not do that. Mine doesn't do that at all.
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mine goes to bootmii right off too but I like it that way so I can go straight into HBC if I want
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Well, I installed boot2 (which installs to and changes the NAND memory, I believe) instead of installing it as an IOS, if that has anything to do with it. I know the older versions of BootMii had an option to not have the Wii go to it on startup. Couldn't really find the option on this newer version; it has a different look and everything. But, it is kind of nice for it to begin with BootMii in case my Wii bricks, 'cos I can hopefully restore it with my backup.
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I go into the regular System Menu, and go into the HBC off... the Channel.
I only go into BootMii if I wanna backup my system.
And my version of BootMii looks pretty slick. It's got these four nice-looking Chrome buttons in it. I don't know the version though. I'll take a look in a little bit, haha.
Edit:
This is my BootMii info:
BootMii v1.3
Stub v1.3
Mini v0.4
SysMenu : 4.1U boot1a boot2v4
Also Freak, the newer emulators do better with playing/saving/loading if your SDCard is SDHC. If it's an older card, perhaps it's slow and as such, those N64 games may run slow as a direct result of that.
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Yeah, it's an older, standard SD card. Well, actually, it's a microSD through an adapter, so that may be slowing it down some more.
Looks like I'll have to just get an SDHC card—a really sizable one so as to cram it with all sorts of gaming goodies. Any recommended brand(s)?
Think I might go with a Kingston 16GB. $35 at Newegg. I'll likely never need that much space for Wii gaming, but ya never know—I once loaded my 2GB card with a bunch of GBA ROMs, and I filled it up in no time, with plenty of games left to transfer.
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I have a Kingston 8GB SDHC. It's only got 2.3GB free by now though. >_>
You should be fiiiiiine with 16GB. It might actually be too much, hahaha. Although if you're putting PSX ISOs and Saturn ISOs, it might actually fill up.