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Title: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 26, 2010, 10:57:50 PM
I'm sure we're all familiar with the succubus. Even people who haven't played Castlevania know who the succubus is.

However wouldn't it be cool to introduce an incubus in future games? An incubus is the male equivalent to a succubus and they prey on women instead of men. There was an incubus named Magnus who appeared in the audio drama Castlevania: Nocturne of Recollection, but none in the actual games.

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I think an incubus could work well with a female protagontist, like he could take the form of a male that the female character loved just like the succubus takes the form of women to try and seduce the male heroes.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Oralox on October 26, 2010, 10:59:30 PM
just my opinion

The Office- Michael Scott No God No (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ#ws)
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: uzo on October 26, 2010, 11:18:35 PM
Would have been cool in Order of Ecclesia I'd say. Not enough woman teasing in CV games. Then again we're low on female playables as is.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Heuss on October 26, 2010, 11:28:08 PM

Greysun369: Mr. Cox, I desire Incubus in future games...

Cox: Ok, Alucard's friends coming soon

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Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Dremn on October 26, 2010, 11:32:03 PM
Isacc was already the gayest thing to ever come out of Castlevania, doesn't have to get any gayer than that.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: corneliab on October 27, 2010, 12:43:07 AM
Yeah, that shit needs to stay far away from Castlevania...
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: whitedragon_nall on October 27, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
I think it sounds like a good idea. Remember how the succubus from PoR would try to seduce Jonathan, but get angry when she saw Charlotte? It would've been cool to have an incubus in there to balance things out.

Enemy variety is a good thing, right?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: crisis on October 27, 2010, 01:00:21 AM
u mean Astarte? Or a random enemy Succubus?

excuse me been a while since I played that game.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Aridale on October 27, 2010, 01:05:36 AM
no... just no... theres absolutely no reason to have one since 99% of the time the main char is male. Now if they wanted to do a gay hero in CV *cough*chronicles simon*cough* then maybe... or a female main char... other than that I agree with the office clip
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Alutwon on October 27, 2010, 01:30:16 AM
just my opinion

The Office- Michael Scott No God No (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ#ws)

LOL

Not unless he's some badass with a purpose, i wouldn't want him as a normal enemy
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 27, 2010, 02:05:19 AM


OK, what exactly is so "gay" about an incubus? It's basically just a male succubus. They're bat-winged demons who torment mortals, only they tend to prey on mortal women instead of men like the succubi perfer. I fail to see what's so gay about that, unless we just have a classic case of sexism going on here...

Anyways I think it would fit fine in Castlevania. It's true most of the main characters tend to be male, but we're starting to get some playable female heroines such as Maria, Charolette, and Shanoa. I could see an incubus villain trying to tempt one of them just like Magnus did Maria in Nocturne of Recollection.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Ahasverus on October 27, 2010, 02:15:02 AM
Actually I don't ger the homophobia. If there's a gay character, ok do it, however, I didn't like they TURNED Alucard into a pussy (He was a fierce warrior in CvIII). Isaac was laughable BTW, but a real "gay" character could be interesting, the bad part is that it will always fall into the "effeminate she-man" estereotype so better not touch them.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 27, 2010, 02:24:02 AM
Actually I don't ger the homophobia. If there's a gay character, ok do it, however, I didn't like they TURNED Alucard into a pussy (He was a fierce warrior in CvIII). Isaac was laughable BTW, but a real "gay" character could be interesting, the bad part is that it will always fall into the "effeminate she-man" estereotype so better not touch them.

Well we have Carmilla if that counts. She's suppose to be a lesbian vampire and Laura was her consort right? Except of course in Lords of Shadow when they turned Laura into her daughter, completely throwing away the point of the character as she was based off the heroine of the novel whom Carmilla was attracted to and wanted to turn into a vampire.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Oralox on October 27, 2010, 10:07:17 AM
the bad part is that it will always fall into the "effeminate she-man" stereotype so better not touch them.
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Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: uzo on October 27, 2010, 10:48:01 AM
Well we have Carmilla if that counts. She's suppose to be a lesbian vampire and Laura was her consort right? Except of course in Lords of Shadow when they turned Laura into her daughter, completely throwing away the point of the character as she was based off the heroine of the novel whom Carmilla was attracted to and wanted to turn into a vampire.

I wonder if she calls her "mother" simply for the sake of her being the head honcho, and Laura having a warped mind.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 27, 2010, 11:27:36 AM
I wonder if she calls her "mother" simply for the sake of her being the head honcho, and Laura having a warped mind.

lol maybe, and it's possible that in edition to being a lesbian Carmilla is also a pedophile who likes little girls.

Lesbian Vampire Pedophilia (Castlevania Judgment, Carmilla vs. Maria) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjjEzXiOeEA#)
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on October 27, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
I wouldn't mind an Incubus.
However, as people have pointed out above, the problem isn't that there'd be a male demon that preys on women.  The problem is that he will be heavily stylized to the point of which anyone male playing the game will think he's just a gay demon, since the stylization will make him, inevitably, look and dress incredibly gay/metro.  And yes that may be attractive to some women, but since it's mostly men playing the game, it will just trigger a gag reflex.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: knightmere on October 27, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
I think its a bad idea. It would come off as gay honestly, and some of the heroes are already kinda metrosexual looking so I think it would only make things worse >_>
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: angevil on October 27, 2010, 12:19:31 PM
I would like both Incubus and Succubus to be in CV games. Make some new cool sprites for both..
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 27, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
Pairing Incubs with Succubs would've been a great boss fight for Portrait of Ruin. If they ever do a "character swapping" game in the future(would be cool to see in a new 3D game), you could fight the two together, and depending on who you have(just like the mentioning of Astarte), a male character or female, the two will act differently. If you are fighting with the male character, the Succubus will try to seduce you, but the Incubus will go batshit crazy. If you have a female character, the Incubus will try to seduce you, and the Succubus will be brutal. Such a battle would be interesting if you had the tactics of switching back and forth. It would be like Astarte, time two.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: X on October 27, 2010, 04:13:52 PM
That would be a brutal fight. You'd have to switch back and fourth just to avoid either the inccubi or the succubi from trying to seduce you. Having and incubus in a CV game is not a bad idea. It'll just turn out bad if we let people like IGA do it since he sees popularity in the emo/androgynous/homo-type male characters *cough* Mathias/Issac/chronicles simon/juste/Hecter *cough*. maybe the best course of action would be to have a hardcore gamer/historian do a CV game with an incubus in it. That way it won't be messed up and mess with our heads.

-X
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: whitedragon_nall on October 27, 2010, 04:34:11 PM
u mean Astarte? Or a random enemy Succubus?

excuse me been a while since I played that game.

I believe it was just the normal enemy succubus. I forget what she would say, but she was always all sexy sounding when you were Jon. Switch to Charlotte and she would attack immediately, calling you a "filthy cow".
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Harrycombs on October 27, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
Actually I don't ger the homophobia. If there's a gay character, ok do it, however, I didn't like they TURNED Alucard into a pussy (He was a fierce warrior in CvIII).

How did they turn Alucard into a pussy? The guy never even really says much and just goes around and kills stuff... A better way to describe him would probably be stoic. I don't see what you think is so effeminate about him, or how they made him anything but a fierce warrior. Also, Alucard didn't even say anything in CV3, how can you get any idea about his original personality? And if you think Alucard looked better in CV3 than in Symphony then... what? Alucard looked horrible originally. Really, which do you prefer?

CV3:
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or

SotN:
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Kojima did an awesome job on Alucard. My only problem with her is that just about all of her characters are effeminate, and its getting repetitive.


An Incubus character would be interesting. I just wonder if they would make them unique. I fear Konami would probably just make them act exactly like a succubus but have a different sprite.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: crisis on October 27, 2010, 07:13:22 PM
What you guys call "effeminate," I prefer "elegant" & "refined." Is it because Alucard has heels on? A lot of men wore heels like that throughout history.

Or maybe it's because he has blonde highlights? His mother had blonde hair, so.

It's gotta be his super-smooth face then, right? Pretty typical in vampire lore.

I guess it's because Alucard didn't pursue Maria in the ending. But maybe he did get laid, they were living together for a short time in the Nocturne of Recollection Drama CDs (i think)
 

Ayami's reimagining of Alucard shits all over the original depiction, btw.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 27, 2010, 07:32:34 PM
While I agree, that most of it is really more elegant and refined... the face structure and body build never looks manly. They are always thin and womanly (face wise). Like a guy with no adam's apple or whatnot.

I love the Alucard and Richter sotn version though. I just wished Richter had more muscle, or if he already does, have it showing through his sleeves.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: thernz on October 27, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
Muscle never really shows through sleeves does it? I mean, unless it's tight.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 27, 2010, 08:01:05 PM
Dude, muscles like the ones that Richter and Simon and Trevor had, would definitely show.
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Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 27, 2010, 08:18:58 PM
I personally think Ayami Kojima's art fits the series perfectly. I mean being metrosexual and gothic is what vampires are all about. And her characters aren't the "emo" kind of goth, they're more like the style of classical goth from the artists and poets like Edgar Allan Poe. I agree that incubus from Nocturne of Recollection is kind of emo rockstar looking, but I think a real incubus could be done in the game with the same deviousness and style as the other male enemies.

As for the subject of homosexuality, I agree it would be interesting if done tastefully and not like yaoi fanservice where we find out Richter and Alucard are secret lovers who out of nowhere decide to get it on with hot vampire/human sex.

It's like Carmilla's implied lesbianism. It is done rather tastefully because we know there's something going on between her and her servant Laura just like in the novel the two characters are based on and it's not dramatic or overly-done in the plot.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Hanniballistic on October 27, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
What's up with all the "Bleh! Gay stuff, icky!" vibe from everyone?  I see no problem with an Incubus in the games, personally.  Just because I'm not gay doesn't mean I'm going to get all defensive if I saw what is basically a demon seducing my character.  Who cares?  It's a game, the incubus is not going to jump out of the screen and molest you.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 27, 2010, 10:47:18 PM
What if he does!? *GASP!*

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Here we go... this is perfect.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Hanniballistic on October 27, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
What if he does!? *GASP!*

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Here we go... this is perfect.

See, something like that would be great if they could get away with it.  It would start out as a handsome guy and turn into that. 
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 27, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
I don't get the gay tones either. Incubi would be, by their very definition, non-gay demons. Their purpose is the IMPREGNANT WOMEN. It's not like they are going to use their sex appeal on male characters. That's what the Succubi are for.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Ahasverus on October 28, 2010, 01:38:10 AM
And if you think Alucard looked better in CV3 than in Symphony then... what? Alucard looked horrible originally. Really, which do you prefer?

Of course not I'm not blind :P I'ts something "more" than appareance:

- "Goodbye land of my birth, I will never see your beauty again"
- "The blood flooding through my games is cursed, it wil, be the best for the world for me to dissapear"

Seriously WTF? Now that's emo.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 28, 2010, 02:13:06 AM
Well, yea... when you think you're cursed.... you'd normally be pretty depressed.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Munchy on October 28, 2010, 05:29:43 AM
Well, I rather like the Succubi enemies so I guess it's only fair to have Incubi too.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Valtiel on October 28, 2010, 07:14:27 AM
I'm not exactly an Alucard lover, but I'm not a hater either. However, considering the Twilight hate CV fans often display, it's sort of amusing how much "Twilight"ness Alucard already had in SotN. Just look at the game's ending - the entire "forbidden love for a cursed handsome fellow" protostory is there in full force. Not necessarily a bad thing, expecially since it was done in unsuspicious times, but if there's a Cullen in CV, it's Alucard  ;D .
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 28, 2010, 08:48:24 AM
Yea... but Adrian isn't a puss.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Valtiel on October 28, 2010, 09:21:54 AM
Yea... but Adrian isn't a puss.

Certainly not. Besides, Soma would make Kirby look badass next to him.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 28, 2010, 10:17:07 AM
Certainly not. Besides, Soma would make Kirby look badass next to him.

Wait, are you implying Kirby isn't a badass? Dude, he eats his enemies! WHOLE! then steals their powers to kick their friend's asses!
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Valtiel on October 28, 2010, 10:51:11 AM
Wait, are you implying Kirby isn't a badass? Dude, he eats his enemies! WHOLE! then steals their powers to kick their friend's asses!

Problem is, odds are the that the inside of Kirby is as cute and fuzzy as the outside is. Your lifestyle improves once you're inside Kirby.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on October 28, 2010, 02:14:39 PM
I'm not exactly an Alucard lover, but I'm not a hater either. However, considering the Twilight hate CV fans often display, it's sort of amusing how much "Twilight"ness Alucard already had in SotN. Just look at the game's ending - the entire "forbidden love for a cursed handsome fellow" protostory is there in full force. Not necessarily a bad thing, expecially since it was done in unsuspicious times, but if there's a Cullen in CV, it's Alucard  ;D .
^^^ Well, I think the love story in SotN was probably the worst thing about it. At first, I really thought nothing of it as being a love story at all, more than it being a one-sided love story with Maria becoming enamored over Alucard, in the same way that wacky girls have been swooning over guys like David Cassidy, Donny Osmond, or even Justin Beiber. Y'know, classic one-side "dream boat" infatuation. I mean, nothing gave me the impression that Alucard felt anything for her. Nor did I ever get the impression that a few chance meetings(BRIEF meetings) could result in them totally falling in love with each other. Alucard seemed like he could care less. It wasn't until the SotN radio drama that it became apparent that they DID love each other, which felt totally strange to me.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Nagumo on October 28, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
Well, the only thing that you really get from NoR is that they live together but Alucard is still acting like an Edward Cullen. Hopefully it stays that away since the whole thing is indeed really dumb.     
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: veyladrone on October 28, 2010, 09:55:10 PM
I wouldn't mind at all, nor would i be bothered if it were to be homo/bi/heterosexual. Something is kinda bugging me though and maybe someone could clarify for me.  I thought male succubi (Inccubi) are actually described in lore to be the opposite of the females, that is they were disfigured and disgusting.  Didn't have the ability so change their appearance and possibly hide their actual horrible appearance from their prey. Is my memory off or did i actually read this before?

Edit: nvm did a few quick searches and it seems this only applied to certain regional lore.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Richter on October 28, 2010, 10:00:35 PM
I don't get the gay tones either. Incubi would be, by their very definition, non-gay demons. Their purpose is the IMPREGNANT WOMEN. It's not like they are going to use their sex appeal on male characters. That's what the Succubi are for.

This.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 29, 2010, 01:20:16 AM
I wouldn't mind at all, nor would i be bothered if it were to be homo/bi/heterosexual. Something is kinda bugging me though and maybe someone could clarify for me.  I thought male succubi (Inccubi) are actually described in lore to be the opposite of the females, that is they were disfigured and disgusting.  Didn't have the ability so change their appearance and possibly hide their actual horrible appearance from their prey. Is my memory off or did i actually read this before?

Edit: nvm did a few quick searches and it seems this only applied to certain regional lore.

Well in all the old paintings I've seen of incubi from the 1800's and such they always potray them as scary and demonic, with ugly faces and warped bodies. However I'm sure they have the power to take the form of really attractive men to seduce women. Even though succubi tend to get potrayed as sexy scantity-clad bat winged divas, I'm sure even their true forms were originally ugly and monsterous like all demons. Strangely I've never seen any old art potraying succubi, except for a painting of Lilith (Adam's first wife who became a succubus) where she was naked and had a snake wrapped around her. She didn't have bat wings though.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 29, 2010, 01:27:05 AM
Wait, where di you read that she became a Succubi?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 29, 2010, 01:30:59 AM
From a couple of different websites like this:

http://www.lilithgallery.com/library/ (http://www.lilithgallery.com/library/)

It makes sense, I mean in Castlevania all of Lilith's sprites are just recolored succubi. So I guess that makes her a "unique succubus".
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 29, 2010, 01:35:55 AM
Thats interesting... never seen that before. But I rarely look up Lilith.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 29, 2010, 01:39:48 AM
Well being a succubus fanboy I know a lot about these things.  ;D
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Mystic Myotis on October 29, 2010, 04:56:44 AM
Before I get into the actual discussion:

^^^ Well, I think the love story in SotN was probably the worst thing about it. At first, I really thought nothing of it as being a love story at all, more than it being a one-sided love story with Maria becoming enamored over Alucard, in the same way that wacky girls have been swooning over guys like David Cassidy, Donny Osmond, or even Justin Beiber. Y'know, classic one-side "dream boat" infatuation. I mean, nothing gave me the impression that Alucard felt anything for her. Nor did I ever get the impression that a few chance meetings(BRIEF meetings) could result in them totally falling in love with each other. Alucard seemed like he could care less. It wasn't until the SotN radio drama that it became apparent that they DID love each other, which felt totally strange to me.

Ugh, that isn't considered canon, is it? D:


I think its a bad idea. It would come off as gay honestly, and some of the heroes are already kinda metrosexual looking so I think it would only make things worse >_>

Really?  I think more along the lines of 'it wouldn't be out of place within the series both in terms of content and art style.'

It's a game, the incubus is not going to jump out of the screen and molest you.

:(

I personally think Ayami Kojima's art fits the series perfectly. I mean being metrosexual and gothic is what vampires are all about. And her characters aren't the "emo" kind of goth, they're more like the style of classical goth from the artists and poets like Edgar Allan Poe. I agree that incubus from Nocturne of Recollection is kind of emo rockstar looking, but I think a real incubus could be done in the game with the same deviousness and style as the other male enemies.

I agree.

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As for the subject of homosexuality, I agree it would be interesting if done tastefully and not like yaoi fanservice where we find out Richter and Alucard are secret lovers who out of nowhere decide to get it on with hot vampire/human sex.

Never understood people's obsession with trying to make obviously straight characters... not straight. :/

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It's like Carmilla's implied lesbianism. It is done rather tastefully because we know there's something going on between her and her servant Laura just like in the novel the two characters are based on and it's not dramatic or overly-done in the plot.

I think one could argue that they already implied that a male character was homosexual when they made Isaac. XD  He looks (and acts) like he's the favorite at an S&M club or something.  Oh, Isaac...



Anyway, I think it could be interesting.  Properly done, pitting an incubus against a female protagonist... it could be extremely creepy.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Valtiel on October 29, 2010, 06:27:50 AM
I don't think having an Incubus trying to "hit" on a male character would be problematic.

Man on man seduction doesn't need to revolve around sex. A man could tempt another man with power, luxury, friendship.
A large part of the vampire mythos hints at homosexuality being more prevalent among them. Vampires are nigh immortal; boredom can easily lead to "trying new things", but that's the tip of the iceberg. Vampires are powerful, and lonely. They would be attracted to each other as rivals and partners. In the Ann Rice books, it's quite common for straight vampires to practice some seduction on mortals or other vampires.

In a similar vein, an Incubus could tempt a male character promising him sex with women. "Come with me, and we'll have all the women you can dream of".
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Mystic Myotis on October 29, 2010, 06:39:29 AM
I don't think having an Incubus trying to "hit" on a male character would be problematic.

Man on man seduction doesn't need to revolve around sex. A man could tempt another man with power, luxury, friendship.

Agreed... succubi and incubi are first and foremost sexual tempters, traditionally striking while their victims sleep, hence the 'Nightmare' Alucard had in SotN... in the Castlevania series they seem to focus on illusions rather than seduction, so I guess that would work.

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A large part of the vampire mythos hints at homosexuality being more prevalent among them. Vampires are nigh immortal; boredom can easily lead to "trying new things", but that's the tip of the iceberg. Vampires are powerful, and lonely. They would be attracted to each other as rivals and partners. In the Ann Rice books, it's quite common for straight vampires to practice some seduction on mortals or other vampires.

I've always thought of it being more a byproduct of vampires not having a sexual preference because... well, they're vampires.  But they come off as very hedonistic and thence can be sexual.

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In a similar vein, an Incubus could tempt a male character promising him sex with women. "Come with me, and we'll have all the women you can dream of".

That's an interesting idea.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 29, 2010, 07:34:39 AM
Agreed... succubi and incubi are first and foremost sexual tempters, traditionally striking while their victims sleep, hence the 'Nightmare' Alucard had in SotN... in the Castlevania series they seem to focus on illusions rather than seduction, so I guess that would work.

I've always thought of it being more a byproduct of vampires not having a sexual preference because... well, they're vampires.  But they come off as very hedonistic and thence can be sexual.

That's an interesting idea.

Maybe Dear little Adrian has an oedipus complex... the real kind.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 29, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
Lilith (Adam's first wife who became a succubus)

According to Jewish mythology, heh, but not as part of their faith. Lilith and the idea of Adam having a wife before Eve is entirely unbiblical.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 29, 2010, 02:21:24 PM
According to Jewish mythology, heh, but not as part of their faith. Lilith and the idea of Adam having a wife before Eve is entirely unbiblical.

Yeah, but it's still cool to read about. I love mythology of any kind.  ;D

Also here's an idea, but I'm not sure Konami could get away with it. Incubi not only seduce mortal women, they're known to attack and rape them too. In the old days whenever women were victims of rape they used to blame it on incubi and would believe that the bastard children the woman birthed would also grow up to be a rapist.

I could see an inucubus in Castlevania attempting to rape a female protogantist, or even better would be a male protogantist with a female lover who he has to rescue from being raped by an incubus. Of course it doesn't have to be as dirty as that sounds, it could just be an implied thing. Like maybe the incubus posesses her and the main character has to release the demon from her body without killing her.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on October 29, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
Maybe Dear little Adrian has an oedipus complex... the real kind.
Now that's funny and I'm an Alucard fan too.  On another note,  I think the having an Incubus enemy in the series isn't a bad idea at all.  It all comes down to how it is executed.  Hell, in terms of story, it would make sense to have both a incubus and a succubus guarding the same room.  This way one can distract/tempt the hero/heroine while the other slaughters them.  The two of them could even be lovers (that is if demons can love).
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 29, 2010, 08:32:07 PM
Well according to some legends when succubi collect semen from mortal men it's the incubus who takes it to impregnate the succubus so she can give birth to new baby demons. So it could be possible to have an evil succubus/incubus couple, and I could see them working together in a boss fight to torture a mortal to death with their powers.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 29, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
Well according to some legends when succubi collect semen from mortal men it's the incubus who takes it to impregnate the succubus so she can give birth to new baby demons. So it could be possible to have an evil succubus/incubus couple, and I could see them working together in a boss fight to torture a mortal to death with their powers.

What are they gonna do? Masturbate a Belmont to death?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 29, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
What are they gonna do? Masturbate a Belmont to death?

 lol that was pretty funny.

But I don't think they have to fight sexually like the Lament of Innocence succubus. They could just blast magical powers at the main character and maybe do some kicking or scratching. It'd be cool if the demon couple had like opposite powers, like the succubus could summon fire and the incubus could summon ice (I know that sounds like Twinrova from Legend of Zelda). It'd also be cool if they fought with teamwork, like the succubus could absorb magical attacks and the incubus could take those same magical attacks and blast them back at the main character.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: whitedragon_nall on October 30, 2010, 02:36:47 AM
Why fire and ice and why not light and dark magic? ;D We already have that in LoS. They can improve that for the sequel and jazz up the bosses a bit. It'd be cool to have to switch up your magic attacks while fighting 2 bosses. The succubus can be dark magic so she will only be hurt by light, and the incubus can be light magic so he will only be hurt by dark. Combine that with your magic absorption idea and we have a pretty interesting boss battle.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 30, 2010, 02:59:12 AM
lol I don't know about light. Light kind of implies divine holiness, and aren't demons the opposite of that? :P

How about something feminine for the succubus and masculine for the incubus? Like most of the succubi use a lot of flower-based spells such as the one in SotN shooting sakura pedals and the one in LoI summoning monsters roses and vines.

Maybe the Succubus could attack with flowers and the Incubus could attack with fire?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: thernz on October 30, 2010, 05:32:09 PM
Maybe he can be a Cho Aniki-esque bodybuilder who the Belmont has to MANWRESTLE with.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: whitedragon_nall on October 30, 2010, 05:57:10 PM
You do make a good point , but....

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Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 30, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
Yea... but Satan is renowned for once being an angel.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 30, 2010, 06:06:30 PM
Yeah but I think that has to do with his name Lucifer which means "Light Bringer" or something like that, at least that's what I read about in Alone in the Dark 5. I dunno. :-\
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 30, 2010, 06:22:53 PM
His name does mean light bringer, but I was just thinking that he's the only one that's ever been repeatedly mentioned he used to be an angel, while all ther other fallens are more or less ignored about that point.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 30, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
Well true, most demons were originally something else before they turned. Like Lucifer was an angel who fell from heaven for disagreeing God, and Lilith was the first wife of Adam who ran away from the Garden of Eden because she refused to be submissive to Adam (which is why God created Eve to basically be Adam's door mat when Lilith refused).
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on October 30, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
In terms of a boss battle, the succubus could be a magic user and the incubus could be a fighter.  I mean typically women are magic users and men are fighters.  Most of the cannon women in the series are magic users where as most of the men seem to be fighters.  Ok, the belmonts and Alucard may wield magic, but for the most part, they rely heavily on weapon attacks.   Then again, both the succubus and incubus could use both magical and physical attacks, but only one at a time.  In other words, one would charge in with a physical attack while the other covers them with a magical attack.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 30, 2010, 08:08:44 PM
Maybe he can be a Cho Aniki-esque bodybuilder who the Belmont has to MANWRESTLE with.

This.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: X on October 31, 2010, 04:58:55 AM
Well true, most demons were originally something else before they turned. Like Lucifer was an angel who fell from heaven for disagreeing God, and Lilith was the first wife of Adam who ran away from the Garden of Eden because she refused to be submissive to Adam (which is why God created Eve to basically be Adam's door mat when Lilith refused).

Good play on Lilith's part. No woman, for any reason should willingly or otherwise, bow down to the corruption of the patriarchal system. It's nonsense. And if I were in Lilith's shoes, I'd make the same choice without hesitation. Besides, all peoples were created as equals so there's a serious contradiction there.

-X
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Inccubus on October 31, 2010, 06:27:18 AM
OK! I volunteer to be in a future CV title! ^_^
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on October 31, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
Well true, most demons were originally something else before they turned. Like Lucifer was an angel who fell from heaven for disagreeing God, and Lilith was the first wife of Adam who ran away from the Garden of Eden because she refused to be submissive to Adam (which is why God created Eve to basically be Adam's door mat when Lilith refused).

Good play on Lilith's part. No woman, for any reason should willingly or otherwise, bow down to the corruption of the patriarchal system. It's nonsense. And if I were in Lilith's shoes, I'd make the same choice without hesitation. Besides, all peoples were created as equals so there's a serious contradiction there.

-X

That's why I think Lilith is cool. In those days she was considered evil and represented the fear men had of women trying to become dominant and was an excuse for men to justify how they treated women badly. Now someone like her would be considered a heroine in Women's Rights because she dared to stand up to male authority. ...even though she's an evil whore and a child murderer. :P
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Alutwon on October 31, 2010, 09:49:53 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi727.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww274%2FSHIRLP_2009%2FPokemon%2520album%2Fpokemon%2FMachamp.png&hash=c8a338d32ba3feccf6f96c7fc2f2c0652ee7f581)  
Can he be the incubus?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on October 31, 2010, 10:14:27 PM
If he had a bigger bulge >.>

Sides, Incubus doesn't need to be all manly looking. He could look like a rapist... in fact that might even fit more.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Inccubus on November 01, 2010, 03:07:34 AM
If he had a bigger bulge >.>

Sides, Incubus doesn't need to be all manly looking. He could look like a rapist... in fact that might even fit more.

In that Case I'm definitely in the running!
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on November 03, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
I think the best way to incorprate an incubus would be to feature another female protogantist like Shanoa, after all incubi are suppose to feed on women. I think that unlike the succubi who play the more seductive temptress role, and incubus could be more sexually aggressive like a rapist as people said. Incubi are known to rape women in their dreams in order to force the mortal women to give birth to new demons. It is also believed that incubi were the consorts of evil witches and that witches would give birth to monsterous children from sleeping with incubi. What if the female heroine was an ex-witch, kind of like that ex-Devil Forgemaster Hector from Curse of Darkness? I could see an evil witch turned good having to face off against an incubus.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Sindra on November 03, 2010, 01:13:11 AM
Perfect enemy for Sypha, if we ever got a stand-alone game for her.

I once had an idea for the Battle of 1999 that featured succubii for Julius and the male playable side-characters, and during the female playable side-character's run would be switched to an incubii, making each character's playthrough different.

An incubus torturing the female captive of the male protagonist could be a very interesting plot point as well, without all the "gay" connotations a male lead coming into contact with an incubus is apparently making.

Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on November 03, 2010, 01:22:17 AM
Hah, imagine if a Belmont went up to one and to save the girl he goes "Take me instead!"  >.> Then the incubus would roll over and die from disgust >.>
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Amduscias on November 03, 2010, 02:33:40 AM
hehehe... hahahah... wheahAHAHHAHA !!!  huehuahuehua(?)

Ok... are u serious? we got enough with gay character designs and now that homo incubus from that cheesy novel? thats pure fangirl service
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Mystic Myotis on November 03, 2010, 04:52:40 AM
Ok... are u serious? we got enough with gay character designs and now that homo incubus from that cheesy novel? thats pure fangirl service

Androgynous =/= gay. :/

I'll take pretty boys over those... steroid-addicted monstrosities...


Edit: Wait, did you mean gay as in not cool or gay as in homosexual? XD
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: X on November 03, 2010, 04:24:56 PM
Androgynous doesn't nesissarily, or automaticly equal gay. But yes, Castlevania has seen way too much of that kind of persons over the past decade. It'a also unrealistic for the time in that part of Europe. If we wanted to see a game featuring Androgynous beings, it would take place in France, spain or Italy. Not Romania

-X
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on November 03, 2010, 04:47:24 PM
I don't really mind the androgynous males. I think they're one of the things that make Castlevania unique, and it kind of fits with what was considered attractive for European men at the time. In those days muscular rugged men weren't considered sexy, it was smooth-skin men who wore colorful silk clothes with clean trimmed hair and beards (as that was a sign of wealth and nobility). In my opinion the males from the older games like Simon and Richter Belmont really looked out-of-place with the European timeline. Ayami Kojima makes her characters look closer to what was considered normal in Europe during those days, except for how she dresses Maria. In those days no girl would ever dare to go around in an outfit like hers. Succubi can get away with dressing scantity-clad because they're suppose to be evil demons and represent what Europeans thought women shouldn't do, also they wear corsets which fit in with the timeline as corsets were very popular in Europe.

Anyways I wouln't mind an androgynous incubus as I feel it wouldn't be Castlevania without him being one. As long as he behaves as an incubus should, which would be the male equivalent to the succubus. I also think he would be better suited for a female heroine to face as a boss.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Sindra on November 03, 2010, 05:58:27 PM
The androgynous designs worked for a few of the characters. Alucard's half-vampire and vampires in alot of fiction were depicted as very handsome and regal in human form (or could simply make themselves look that way to fool prey). It makes sense that he'd be supernaturally very pretty. His mom was a looker too so that helped.

Richter was around 18-19 when he fought Dracula, so technically its believable that he could still have some boyish looks about him. His image in Symphony could use a bit more of a chiseled look to it, but it's not totally unreasonable.

Trevor got pretty-fied during Curse of Darkness, but also was given some scars to still try and keep him in the "badass" category as best he could be.

Simon's redesign was un-needed and probably the worst example of Ayami Kojima's re-imagined designs.

Gabriel is the happy medium. He's hard-edged but still very handsome. I have confidence that if Kojima's character designs were given the same treatment he got, they'd probably get less flack for being "too" pretty. I'm hoping if and when a 1999 game is done, they keep Julius with some chin fuzz to even the look between "handsome" and "realistic".

And honestly, I thought we were in an age when using the word "gay" to describe how something looks was outdated and passe. I'm honestly surprised its still used like that. Thought that crap stopped around 2005.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: thernz on November 03, 2010, 07:20:41 PM
I thought the whole point of Chronicles Simon was to make him a bizarre wild man. He has some pretty feral eyes to him. Of course, I guess Kojima didn't harden the face enough so the whole thing brings another feeling to people. I would pin that more just on the way she draws than an intent to draw him as handsome though. I'm hoping that with her technical improvements from Harmony of Despair, that it might hint at greater range of looks if she designs more characters.
Of course, I would've preferred a more minimalist reserved approach to Simon. He always struck me as this stern, no frills, quiet man.
I don't personally mind the androgynous or buff men. I wish they would have both, and of course, characters that balance between the two.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on November 03, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
I think the high heels on the boots, the neckbuckle (which screams BDSM) and the black-feathered/furred boa ruined it.  The armor wasn't that bad.  I'd still take the single-pauldron brown armor and blonde hair and conan boots from the original design instead (anyday).
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 04, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
Well, in terms of appearances of characters, it depends.  In the case of the Belmonts, it depends on how you see them.  For example, at first they seemed to be rugged warriors who fought evil, but that changed.  They now seem to be somewhat refined.  In other words, to me at least, it's like a poor person living "off the grid" becoming upper middle class.  They're actually fully clothed instead of wearing that armor that seemed to not cover everything.  They actually seemed barbarian like and now it's like they're nobles.

I don't know.  If you ask me, the Trevor from CoD was the best example of what a Belmont should be.  He was buff, but not overly muscular and his clothing reflected the times.  As for Alucard's appearance, it is about what it should be.  Being the son of a count, his clothing should be that of a nobleman.  And his "inhuman" beauty is standard for how vampires are described in most novels these days.

Regarding an incubus, he should be a "pretty boy".  After all, if an incubus is the male equivalent of a succubus (as we all know) then he should be attractive to women and from what I know, most women like pretty boys.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on November 04, 2010, 01:09:04 AM
Regarding an incubus, he should be a "pretty boy".  After all, if an incubus is the male equivalent of a succubus (as we all know) then he should be attractive to women and from what I know, most women like pretty boys.

I agree, an incubus should be attractive just like a succubus. But he should also have the same level of deviousness that the succubi have, like you know he means something evil. As for how an incubus should dress, succubi are often potrayed as wearing leather corsets, thongs, and sometimes high heel boots and gloves. Amusingly when you see the outfit the first words that pop in your head are "S&M", but it actually fits the succubi as they are demons of sinful sex. I think an incubus should dress kind of similar, but not in a Heavy Metal Rockstar way like the one from Nocturne of Recollection. Maybe he could wear a black loincloth with boots and gloves, and have tattooos marking his body? Maybe throw in a black leather armband or two.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Kale on November 04, 2010, 01:59:00 AM
Not really, an incubus doesn't have to be a pretty boy. Often, it's men who does the raping, and women who do the seducing... and when you're a rapist, you don't have to look pretty.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on November 04, 2010, 02:14:47 AM
Not really, an incubus doesn't have to be a pretty boy. Often, it's men who does the raping, and women who do the seducing... and when you're a rapist, you don't have to look pretty.
True, but I thought that incubi tempt and seduce women into sinful sex like succubi do to men. 
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on November 04, 2010, 02:22:01 AM
Well they do both, sometimes they seduce women and sometimes they rape them. The same can be said about succubi. But I guess that way would could work, having the succubi be the seducers and the incubi be the rapers. But just because incubi are the rapers doesn't mean they can't be good looking like the succubi.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Mystic Myotis on November 04, 2010, 04:03:54 AM
I think the high heels on the boots, the neckbuckle (which screams BDSM) and the black-feathered/furred boa ruined it.  The armor wasn't that bad.  I'd still take the single-pauldron brown armor and blonde hair and conan boots from the original design instead (anyday).

And on top of that... he bears no resemblance to the other Belmonts at all. XD  Even Juste looks like Leon, but redesigned Simon?

I don't know.  If you ask me, the Trevor from CoD was the best example of what a Belmont should be.  He was buff, but not overly muscular and his clothing reflected the times.

Trevor has one of the best Belmont designs Kojima came up with for this reason, imo.  When I first saw her design for him I was like... (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.net%2Ffs23%2Ff%2F2008%2F025%2F4%2F4%2FKaminaGAR_shades_emoticon_by_ximena_chan.gif&hash=5af12f37376b9cf9e1f787f3e41cf8bb6f44dc5d)

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Regarding an incubus, he should be a "pretty boy".  After all, if an incubus is the male equivalent of a succubus (as we all know) then he should be attractive to women and from what I know, most women like pretty boys.

I agree.  He shouldn't look like a 'pushover,' though... there should be something about his design that exudes danger.

Maybe he could wear a black loincloth with boots and gloves, and have tattooos marking his body? Maybe throw in a black leather armband or two.

That sounds like what Isaac form CoD would wear to bed. XD

... Well, you know how the succubi are often disguised in these games?  Like the succubus in LoI?  The incubus could start out disguised as a human, perhaps robed/cloaked.

I imagine it would wear something like a cross between these two:
http://niekra.deviantart.com/art/As-you-wish-M-Lady-For-Suza-43618298?qj=2&q=boost%3Apopular+incubus+demon&qo=504 (http://niekra.deviantart.com/art/As-you-wish-M-Lady-For-Suza-43618298?qj=2&q=boost%3Apopular+incubus+demon&qo=504)
http://glasssnake.deviantart.com/art/Incubus-Colored-127871473?qj=1&q=boost%3Apopular+incubus+demon&qo=403 (http://glasssnake.deviantart.com/art/Incubus-Colored-127871473?qj=1&q=boost%3Apopular+incubus+demon&qo=403)

Only the clothing should be studded with spikes.  An incubus should be attractive, but intimidating... and not look like an S&M sub.  Go for the dom look while accounting for the wings.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on November 04, 2010, 12:31:04 PM
lol OK, maybe that was a bad example I had.  :P

I think an incubus should dress revealing like the succubus, but the clothes should still be something contemporary with Europe in the old days. Succubi often wear corsets, what is something a male incubus could wear that's kind of like that only more masculine?
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: thernz on November 04, 2010, 03:29:02 PM
why would demons with the intent of having sex have clothes anyway
i dont see why he should be attractive anyway when unlike the succubus, incubi tended to rape rather than seduce

otherwise,
loincloth
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on November 04, 2010, 03:36:44 PM
why would demons with the intent of having sex have clothes anyway

Because even demons know that just because you're an immortal being of pure evil who loves to steal the souls of humans to take to hell doesn't mean that you can't look stylish while doing it.  ;D
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Mystic Myotis on November 05, 2010, 12:07:27 AM
why would demons with the intent of having sex have clothes anyway
i dont see why he should be attractive anyway when unlike the succubus, incubi tended to rape rather than seduce

otherwise,
loincloth

Succubi are rapists, too. :/  The myth is that they are responsible for wet dreams, which would be non-consensual.

That said, if you're a being that thrives off of sexual energies of humans it doesn't make evolutionary sense to be unattractive to your prey or at least not even bother to appear so (illusions, which succubi have already been shown to use, so why not incubi); the same argument has been made for vampires but I would argue that it has more prevalence when talking about succubi and incubi.

Also, we already have naked male demons in the series:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080831144750/castlevania/images/4/42/Cagnazzo.PNG (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080831144750/castlevania/images/4/42/Cagnazzo.PNG)

And I don't know about anyone else, but that monster just made me laugh.
Title: Re: An Incubus in future Castlevania games?
Post by: Inccubus on November 05, 2010, 12:25:34 AM
Speaking of myth in legend... IIRC in all of my years of research and general interest in mythical creatures, demons, spirits and monsters I have only ever recalled incubii describes as hideous counterparts to succubi who forcefully molest and rape women in their dreams. That said, it would be interesting to have me appear attractive at first just to find out it was some sort of illusion hiding my truly horrible nature.