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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Thomas Belmont on November 10, 2007, 02:54:45 AM
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Anybody else pissed off on how Iga treats the Belmonts that he didn't create? Just a couple of examples:
1.Allows Richter to succumb to a spell cast by Shaft.
2.Has Richter use his "most powerful" attack against Alucard to only have it do basically nothing.
3.Doesn't even have Alucard fear Richter. Trevor defeated Alucard hundreds of years prior. Especially since, according to legend, each Belmont becomes more powerful every generation, you'd think Alucard would at least have doubts.
4.Has Jonathon Morris defeat Richter through the Whip's
memory. That's just bull shit.
5.Has Trevor get stabbed.
6.Doesn't even mention what happens to Trevor in CoD's ending.
7.Insinuates that Trevor wouldn't have been able to defeat Dracula if Hector didn't "betray" Dracula, though this was only insinuated by an angry, upset Isaac.
I'm sure there are plenty more but I can't think of any at the moment. I always fear that Iga is going to remake Castlevania 1 and/or 2 because he'll most likely down play Simon, making him need help from others or something. However, he always seems to make the characters he creates all mighty. Does this piss anybody else off?
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Uh...I think you're taking these games a little too seriously.
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In Reply To #2
Uh...he makes some valid points, but thanks for ignoring those and instead downplaying his argument completely.
For the record, I agree with OP.
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In Reply To #1
According to someone, and I'm replaying CV3 to check out. Trevor didn't beat Alucard, atleast notreally. Since Alucard was just testing Trevor.
What do you mean his most powerful move? Hydro Storm? I guess I can get where you're coming at. But no doubt Alucard is a hell of a powerhouse.
AS for a Belmont falling under a spell.... I like it, it just comes to show that they aren't invincible. Though, why shaft is still around .... really confuses me.
I don't know about the Johnathon Morris thing but whatever. The rest I can agree, Trevor getting stabbed like that was retarded. He should be able to tell a homo is behind him witha knife. But then again I think CoD should not be canon, but if I had my way, alot of games would be rewritten or retconned.
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In Reply To #1
Well, Iga wasn't the producer of SOTN, he was assistant director at the time, so number 1 is probably not IGa's fault.
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In Reply To #3
So "Richter's boss fights gotta be invincible cuz but since they're not IGA hates him!!1!" is a valid point?
I mean, "Doesn't even have Alucard fear Richter."?
Well, if we're going to nitpick this much:
1.)Why does Julius lose to Soma? I mean, Soma wasn't even all the way to being Dracula! That pissess me off that Julius F'ing Belmont loses to some albino Japanese kid. IGA hates the new Belmonts!
2.) Julius can only use the Holy Cross once in DoS before admitting he'll be too weak to continue?! I can spam that move all I want in Julius mode. Since Julius is a Belmont, it is only natural that age doesn't apply to him. This insult just proves my point that IGA gets off to humiliating the more recent Belmonts.
3.)And Leon. Leon Belmont is a Belmont; thus, it is only logical to say that he would've been able to save Sara from turning into a vampire. It just proves that IGA hates the Belmonts he makes.
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You know, I don't like how Iga churns out castleroid after castleroid. I think the localization of DXC is laughable, and the reworked Symphony had barely any new content. But these personal attacks on him are just pathetic. If you really think a professional game director, leading a design team and with significant fiscal responsibility, is concerned with making "his" characters win in a video game then you need to grow up.
And what's beyond ridiculous are these Alucard vs. Richter comparisons. Alucard is even less of "Iga's character" than Richter is. He's from Dracula's Curse, a game made long before Iga was even remotely connected Castlevania design, while Iga had at least a slight involvement with Rondo.
Allows Richter to succumb to a spell cast by Shaft.
The ending of Rondo itself suggested that Dracula had something up his sleave. "Descendent of Belmont... we'll meet again!" Symphony just ran with the torch Rondo passed it.
Has Richter use his "most powerful" attack against Alucard to only have it do basically nothing.
Keeping strictly to the mythology, Hydro Storm and Holy Cross shouldn't hurt Alucard at all. Dhampirs aren't vulnerable to religious items like full vampires are. Alucard uses holy water himself and even sleeps in a coffin with a cross on it.
Doesn't even have Alucard fear Richter.
Alucard was fighting Belmonts centuries before Richter got his first training whip, and that was with his old abilities. Next to the power he had after awakening, that's like nothing at all. Besides, the game clearly shows that Alucard respects Richter, who calls him "supreme among vampire hunters."
Has Jonathon Morris defeat Richter through the Whip's memory.
Do you worship Richter so much that a later fighter beating a simulation of him is sacrilege?
Has Trevor get stabbed.
It had to happen that way. There wouldn't be much of a finale if Trevor just fought Dracula for you, and Isaac could never beat Trevor in a straight fight. Not that Isaac would ever want to play things "straight."
Doesn't even mention what happens to Trevor in CoD's ending.
Julia tells Hector that Trevor survived. What else is there to say, that he went out for ice cream afterwards?
Insinuates that Trevor wouldn't have been able to defeat Dracula if Hector didn't "betray" Dracula, though this was only insinuated by an angry, upset Isaac.
Yeah, it's so unusual for a deranged villain to think he could beat a hero. The actual fight between the two shows that Isaac has nothing more than delusions of grandeur.
I always fear that Iga is going to remake Castlevania 1 and/or 2 because he'll most likely down play Simon, making him need help from others or something.
Iga already re-released Simons's battle as Castlevania Chronicles and had him given a bad-ass new character design. And Iga included Simon as a secret character in Harmony, where he is vastly stronger than Juste.
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In Reply To #1
Eh, I have to agree with some of these posts here. #7. was just Isaac's "grandeur", and probably taunting Trevor, trying to lower his morale in the fight. Which obviously failed.
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My back is itchy. Damn that crazy IGA!!
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Trevor not being mentioned in the ending of CoD is my biggest pet peeve, too. Sure, Julia mentions when Dracula's Castle rises that he's barely made it out by a thread of his life, but some recognition at the end of the game would have been nice. An appearance, an end note, something! Jeez.
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In Reply To #10
Blatantly bad storytelling.
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Well, Iga wasn't the producer of SOTN, he was assistant director at the time, so number 1 is probably not IGa's fault.
That's not what I heard. I heard Iga became the main director not too long into the game development, since the original one had to quit. And that it was his idea to include Alucard since cv3's his favorite and Al could be its only alive remaining character.
What was the game before his takeover it's not known. Perhaps a port of Bloodletting.
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Richter>Iga=Alucard
The whip doesn't have a very good memory. The brain is only in the tip.
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Anybody else pissed off on how Iga treats the Belmonts that he didn't create? Just a couple of examples:
1.Allows Richter to succumb to a spell cast by Shaft.
2.Has Richter use his "most powerful" attack against Alucard to only have it do basically nothing.
3.Doesn't even have Alucard fear Richter. Trevor defeated Alucard hundreds of years prior. Especially since, according to legend, each Belmont becomes more powerful every generation, you'd think Alucard would at least have doubts.
4.Has Jonathon Morris defeat Richter through the Whip's
memory. That's just bull shit.
5.Has Trevor get stabbed.
6.Doesn't even mention what happens to Trevor in CoD's ending.
7.Insinuates that Trevor wouldn't have been able to defeat Dracula if Hector didn't "betray" Dracula, though this was only insinuated by an angry, upset Isaac.
I'm sure there are plenty more but I can't think of any at the moment. I always fear that Iga is going to remake Castlevania 1 and/or 2 because he'll most likely down play Simon, making him need help from others or something. However, he always seems to make the characters he creates all mighty. Does this piss anybody else off?
No, not at all. The only things that annoy me are what happened to Trevor. You're making it seem the Belmonts are some "super-human" force that can obliterate anything in their path, but they're not. One Belmont is just one person, not something that should be immune to everything bad that could happen. If they did everything easily and it was just a cakewalk for them, Castlevania would be SUPER booooooooooooooooooring...
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In Reply To #3
So "Richter's boss fights gotta be invincible cuz but since they're not IGA hates him!!1!" is a valid point?
I mean, "Doesn't even have Alucard fear Richter."?
Well, if we're going to nitpick this much:
1.)Why does Julius lose to Soma? I mean, Soma wasn't even all the way to being Dracula! That pissess me off that Julius F'ing Belmont loses to some albino Japanese kid. IGA hates the new Belmonts!
2.) Julius can only use the Holy Cross once in DoS before admitting he'll be too weak to continue?! I can spam that move all I want in Julius mode. Since Julius is a Belmont, it is only natural that age doesn't apply to him. This insult just proves my point that IGA gets off to humiliating the more recent Belmonts.
3.)And Leon. Leon Belmont is a Belmont; thus, it is only logical to say that he would've been able to save Sara from turning into a vampire. It just proves that IGA hates the Belmonts he makes.
You can't deny the fact that Richter has been pissed on quite a few times now. And why wouldn't Alucard fear Richter, or any Belmont for that matter? They're Belmonts, the world's greatest vampire hunters. And Julius doesn't actually lose to Soma. It is stated that Julius didn't use all of his power because he felt that there was "good" in Soma. Also, at this point , Julius is in his 50's. Why you would feel that age doesn't apply to Belmonts is ridiculous. On a side note, even Soma knew how powerful Julius was. He couldn't believe that Julius was able to beat the shit out of the monsters without having to seal them in DoS. And when Julius told Soma that if he were to succumb to his evil side that he'd have to come after him and destroy him. Soma said he understood. As for your Leon argument...it's just so moronic that it isn't even worth refuting.
No, not at all. The only things that annoy me are what happened to Trevor. You're making it seem the Belmonts are some "super-human" force that can obliterate anything in their path, but they're not. One Belmont is just one person, not something that should be immune to everything bad that could happen. If they did everything easily and i was just a cakewalk for them, Castlevania would be SUPER booooooooooooooooooring...
I disagree. I think the Belmonts should be portrayed as "super-human" forces that can obliterate anything in their paths. It's their destiny. Doesn't mean the games have to be easy. In the beginning, only a Belmont could slay Dracula. Now it appears any Tom, Dick, and Harry can, without even having to use the Vampire Killer. It just doesn't seem right.
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In Reply To #1
According to someone, and I'm replaying CV3 to check out. Trevor didn't beat Alucard, atleast notreally. Since Alucard was just testing Trevor.
What do you mean his most powerful move? Hydro Storm? I guess I can get where you're coming at. But no doubt Alucard is a hell of a powerhouse.
You were misinformed. Alucard stopped the battle saying " I can't believe you beat me!" in Castlevania 3. And yeah, I was referring to Richter's Hydro Storm. In the PSP version of Sotn, Richter screams out "...My most powerful attack..." and it does such little damage it's ridiculous. However,I don't know if he said that in the original Japan version and I don't recall him saying that in the American Playstation version though. And not to get off topic, but wouldn't you think Grand Cross would be the most powerful attack? The cross is normally the most powerful sub weapon in each game.
And yes, Alucard is strong, but he shouldn't be portrayed as that strong, especially when the attack harmed the hell out of his father.
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That can't be right, as its trying to tie into Bram Stoker's Dracula right? Which means he got owned by some guy witha stake >.> There goes Belmonts are the only ones who can kill Dracula.
Sides, if you want main characters that can obliterate the enem, you shold watch Dragon ball Z, and pretend the enemies are vampires.
I still see no reason Alucard should fear anyone, Dracula sure as heck doesn't. And hes lost lots of times. And Alucard should be portrayed as the stronger being of the two, Dracula. Atleast against Belmonts, hes half human. That means hes not as susceptable to the holy powers that the Belmonts has. Thats the best thign about being a dhampir, the best of both worlds.
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You can't deny the fact that Richter has been pissed on quite a few times now. And why wouldn't Alucard fear Richter, or any Belmont for that matter? They're Belmonts, the world's greatest vampire hunters. And Julius doesn't actually lose to Soma.
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You know, it's just a video game.
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well, technically its a video game series >.>
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That can't be right, as its trying to tie into Bram Stoker's Dracula right? Which means he got owned by some guy witha stake >.> There goes Belmonts are the only ones who can kill Dracula.
Sides, if you want main characters that can obliterate the enem, you shold watch Dragon ball Z, and pretend the enemies are vampires.
I still see no reason Alucard should fear anyone, Dracula sure as heck doesn't. And hes lost lots of times. And Alucard should be portrayed as the stronger being of the two, Dracula. Atleast against Belmonts, hes half human. That means hes not as susceptable to the holy powers that the Belmonts has. Thats the best thign about being a dhampir, the best of both worlds.
They are trying to tie in with Stoker's book? They are really failing at that. And it was a combination of a slash to the throat by Harker and a bowie knife in the heart by Morris that killed Dracula, not a stake.
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In Reply To #21
CV: Bloodlines was the game that tried to tie in to Stoker's dracula, so don't go blaming IGA for that, at least.
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You know, it's just a video game.
Excactly. But as for what you've said, Thomas Belmont, about Alucard fearing Richter, he shouldn't fear anything. He's an immortal half vampire and the son of Dracula. If anything, Richter should fear him.
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That's not what I heard. I heard Iga became the main director not too long into the game development, since the original one had to quit. And that it was his idea to include Alucard since cv3's his favorite and Al could be its only alive remaining character.
What was the game before his takeover it's not known. Perhaps a port of Bloodletting.
That is what I have read on this forum several months ago in which that IGA was assisting director or whatever.
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first off richter is been under shaft's control so richter isn't really using his holy powers for good.
so who's to say they were working at full power?
just the way i think about it holy power won't work to do evil ends :P
but thats just imo not part of the story really.lol
but alucard being a dhampir theres no way holy powers will hurt him like his father.
sure you can hit the rain storm in sotn and kill drac easy.
but alucard is half human not going to hurt him as bad ;D
and who's to say richter really lost?
shaft was controlling him so richter wasn't really fighting kind of like in por with the WM fight.
i don't like iga story telling in alot of ways like making bemonts weaker.
cod was a good game it reminded me of a half ass 3d sotn ;D
but what can you do iga is making the games all you can do is deal with it :-\
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Before someone says something about "How come holy water and other religious items hurts humans like the battle between Maria (I never used holy water against her, so I don't know if this is true) and Alucard?
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In Reply To #16
It is a commonly held logical assumption that he was tesing him. As an opponent of Dracula, he would not kill Dracula's top rival. Although, it is possible he did not know he was facing Trevor Belmont, or who that was. Either way, he doesn't halt the battle, but is completely defeated and falls to the floor.
It has always been my assumption that Alucard's power, like Dracula's, increases over time, as Alucard's power is begotten of Dracula.
Here are some more considerations about Hydro Storm. It actually is pretty potent at lower levels, and I believe it may be moreso at the midway point when Richter starts trying harder. It is all a matter of what "level" Alucard is at, or what armor he is wearing. What armor does Dracula wear? Who knows. In my experience, Hydro Storm is not all that weak.
And so what if Alucard can take more pain? Dracula has many variations, and the ways of his power are mysterious. Hydro Storm wouldn't completely annihilate end-game Dracula in SotN. That's a fairer comparison as it was the same resurrection.
Alucard is kind of badass. If he did fear Richter, he wouldn't show it, but as has been said, there is no reason to assume he should. If anyone should be fearful of Belmont, it is Hector, and in fact, in the first encounter with him, Trevor is nearly invincible against him.
As for tying Castlevania to Stoker's, we shouldn't assume the connection goes any further than explicitly stated. They do not fit. Most obviously, where is Dracula's army in Stoker's? And yeah, Dracula got owned in Stoker's, but only because it was daytime and he was killed in his sleep. How cheap. At least he can exist in sunlight.
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In Reply To #16
It is a commonly held logical assumption that he was tesing him. As an opponent of Dracula, he would not kill Dracula's top rival. Although, it is possible he did not know he was facing Trevor Belmont, or who that was. Either way, he doesn't halt the battle, but is completely defeated and falls to the floor.
Why would it be a logical assumption to think that Alucard was only testing Trevor when it was clearly stated by Alucard himself that he was under a spell cast by his father?
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In Reply To #28
I don't think that is the case, but it doesn't affect your main point, because I agree Trevor could have beaten him either way.
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That can't be right, as its trying to tie into Bram Stoker's Dracula right? Which means he got owned by some guy witha stake >.> There goes Belmonts are the only ones who can kill Dracula.
Nope. The Castlevania continuity only makes references to Stoker's novel; it doesn't attempt to follow it. For example, in the book, Quincey Morris helped to kill Dracula by stabbing him with a Bowie knife, whereas in the account of the games, he was a close relative of the Belmonts who slew Dracula with the Vampire Killer.
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Well, I got a bad memory so I get things mixed up here and there. Still, it doesn't mean the Belmonts are the only ones who can. They're teh most powerful vkillers, god knows its beensaid enough times. But that doesn't mean they are "OMG INVINCIBLE"."
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Anybody else pissed off on how Iga treats the Belmonts that he didn't create?
1.Allows Richter to succumb to a spell cast by Shaft.
Um he's only human and shaft was a ghost. Simon gets cursed by dracula in Simon's Quest, the belmonts aren't all powerful they're human too, shaft did his homework and was able to curse Richter.
2.Has Richter use his "most powerful" attack against Alucard to only have it do basically nothing.
Alucard is a badass I actually thought that was cool, we never actually see alucard's true strength in III or Legends, so that really didn't bother me too much.
3.Doesn't even have Alucard fear Richter. Trevor defeated Alucard hundreds of years prior. Especially since, according to legend, each Belmont becomes more powerful every generation, you'd think Alucard would at least have doubts.
Alucard is a proud member of the Tepes family, showing fear in front of a friend or enemy is just not in his character. He hates himself and wants to die, that's why he sleeps all the time, he had no reason to show any kind of fear, and he couldn't afford to let it get in his way, and we also don't know what effect his vampiric blood has on him in relation to the emotions he exhibits, he may not show fear because he honestly doesn't feel it.
4.Has Jonathon Morris defeat Richter through the Whip's
memory. That's just bull shit.
But the belmonts get stronger every generation as was said so he should have been able to take him.
5.Has Trevor get stabbed.
Do you mean in COD? It was to further the story Trevor didn't die or anything, even Richter is shown with injuries or so I'm told in some cutscenes in Rondo.
6.Doesn't even mention what happens to Trevor in CoD's ending.
Uh Trevor wasn't the main character, Hector was. Trevor went on to have kids/do whatever he did in his spare time, it wasn't necessary to show it he was a minor character. He may have also done that for a reason.
7.Insinuates that Trevor wouldn't have been able to defeat Dracula if Hector didn't "betray" Dracula, though this was only insinuated by an angry, upset Isaac.
I didn't get that at all, Trevor even says he did it by his own power + warriors who helped him.
I'm sure there are plenty more but I can't think of any at the moment. I always fear that Iga is going to remake Castlevania 1 and/or 2 because he'll most likely down play Simon, making him need help from others or something. However, he always seems to make the characters he creates all mighty. Does this piss anybody else off?
He won't do that for one Castlevania was already remade for the PS1, however he only changed simon's appearance for the most part. He admitted that he loves the classics, III is his favorite so I fail to think he'd intentionally do anything to tarnish the
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But the belmonts get stronger every generation as was said so he should have been able to take him.
True belmonts, those who use the whip for generations since almost 1000 years. Not some offshot family that didn't even have it for 100 years, and has to seek help just to be able to use it properly.
Richter lost in por only because it wasn't really him, but just an image of him, an avatar created by the whip, made only to serve as a ritual battle to test a potential new wielder, not to kill him. The battle just stops after enough damage is dealt, not ends in victory or defeat for either fighter.
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True belmonts, those who use the whip for generations since almost 1000 years. Not some offshot family that didn't even have it for 100 years, and has to seek help just to be able to use it properly.
Jonathan is a belmont, if anything it his not being able to use it at first that is at fault, not him beating Richter. He's descended from the same bloodline, his last name shouldn't matter, the whip should have been able to sense his belmont blood and let him use it.
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Yeah but so? Ever since the family was branched out after trevor and before Christopher they never used the whip even once until quincey. They never fought dracula either, so I don't see why should they be getting stronger. I'd assume the fact that he couldn't use the whip was because of the centuries his family was just idly leading normal life.
If something, the constant usage of the whip, training for their whole life and battling the lord of darkness is what makes the real Belmonts stronger with each generation. You could say they got "battle hardened" and compatible with the whip over the generations, while the offshot families didn't do shit.
jonathan would be a total wimp and pushover if he were to fight a real Belmont. I think he even said so himself, that he was barely able to beat the fake image of a belmont.
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Yeah but so? Ever since the family was branched out after trevor and before Christopher they never used the whip even once until quincey. They never fought dracula either, so I don't see why should they be getting stronger. I'd assume the fact that he couldn't use the whip was because of the centuries his family was just idly leading normal life.
Well yeah but being vampire killers they were still training and may have been going after other vampires.
If something, the constant usage of the whip, training for their whole life and battling the lord of darkness is what makes the real Belmonts stronger with each generation. You could say they got "battle hardened" and compatible with the whip over the generations, while the offshot families didn't do shit.
We don't know what they did, dracula isn't the only vampire and they may have had other magic weapons too.
jonathan would be a total wimp and pushover if he were to fight a real Belmont. I think he even said so himself, that he was barely able to beat the fake image of a belmont.
He did? I don't remember him saying it in the game. Though if that's true it may have been the whips doing, we don't know if the image of Richter he fought was like a clone of the real Richter or if it possessed more endurance etc. Also as said before Jonathan doesn't have that much battle experience while he may be strong, he never undertook proper Vampire Killer training (unless I just forgot him mentioning that as I haven't played the game in awhile, though I do remember him saying his father John died when he was younger)so just being able to beat a fully trained warrior like Richter with his lack of experience was a huge feat.
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In Reply To #32
Just because Trevor wasn't the main character, doesn't mean they can't tell you what happens to him. The fact that he was disregarded was bad story telling, leaves an open end and it doesn't seem like he'll add more.
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He did? I don't remember him saying it in the game.
Yes, he did say that. I think he said it to Eric or perhaps his daughters (Eric's, not Jonathans!).
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7.Insinuates that Trevor wouldn't have been able to defeat Dracula if Hector didn't "betray" Dracula, though this was only insinuated by an angry, upset Isaac.
I didn't get that at all, Trevor even says he did it by his own power + warriors who helped him.
OMG!!! Do you people even know what it means to "taunt your enemy"? Isaac was pissed off because he knew Trevor was beating him, that's why he fled, and he tried to annoy Trevor by saying he, and I quote, "beat Lord Dracula by a fluke, a mere twist of fortune." He wasn't serious, only a complete idiot (someone dumber than Dario. lol.) would believe a Belmont couldn't beat Dracula. And, Isaac may be gay (he KISSED Trevor!!), but he's NOT totally stupid. lol
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In Reply To #38
As Trevor was the first Belmont to defeat Dracula, that precedent had not been established yet. No one had any way of knowing whether a Belmont could beat Dracula.
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In Reply To #39
Ooooh, well then, I guess I have to slightly alter that. Isaac didn't really know he could beat Dracula, but he was serious, I guess,that's to be expected, though, since he was Dracula's servant. Still, I think he said that in a kinda pissed off mood.
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In Reply To #39
Ooooh, well then, I guess I have to slightly alter that. Isaac didn't really know he could beat Dracula, but he was serious, I guess,that's to be expected, though, since he was Dracula's servant. Still, I think he said that in a kinda pissed off mood.
Isaac = Dumbass, Trevor totally overpowered dracula and pwned him in 3, you beat all 3 forms of drac at 100% power saying it was a fluke is just a dumbass statement and I think it just shows Isaac refused to accept the truth.
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In Reply To #41
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to get at, just couldn't think of the words :)
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In Reply To #42
np bro.