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Title: A new female lead?
Post by: crisis on July 09, 2011, 08:48:32 PM
So far we've had 2 females as the protagonists (one of 'em "canon" but lets not get into that).. should we get a third?

Does the series really need a third? Should the LoS timeline have a female lead at one point? Would it matter if she was a Belmont/Belnades or not?

hmmm...
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 09, 2011, 08:51:33 PM
I answered no only because we already got a femal lead with the last handheld CV game OOE.

I would not be against a female lead at some point in the future but in the very near future I currently want a male lead.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Munchy on July 09, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
Provided she's not yet another Belnades type spellcaster, I can get behind this.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Mega Man Model T 101 on July 09, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
I'd prefer to have another main female lead who uses real weapons. I'm a fan of Shanoa, but I'd prefer one who uses more equipment. Also, slight creative note, I'd prefer below the knee boots, since we have so many thigh highs for so many girls now a days, it's getting kinda silly.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 09, 2011, 10:14:27 PM
I'd prefer to have another main female lead who uses real weapons. I'm a fan of Shanoa, but I'd prefer one who uses more equipment. Also, slight creative note, I'd prefer below the knee boots, since we have so many thigh highs for so many girls now a days, it's getting kinda silly.
Yes, I agree.  We need a female warrior who uses actual weapons.  She could have some magic, but should be mostly a weapon user.  A female Belmont would be perfect.  I'm tired of all the women being nothing but spellcasters.  What we need is a female warrior!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Mega Man Model T 101 on July 09, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
Yeah, an actual female warrior/fighter, what ever! e have so many spell casters it's insane really. Not to mention all the fighter/warrior females come from RPGs. Come on, we need more platformer girls than just Samus people!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 09, 2011, 10:22:10 PM
Bring on the Vampirekiller wielding woman Belmont!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: cecil-kain on July 09, 2011, 11:49:28 PM
Female leads have been done before.  What Castlevania really needs are more Somalian transgender heroes that love goats.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Kale on July 09, 2011, 11:58:18 PM
oO Frozen Half traps!

I can't say I care either way.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Renonsgoods on July 10, 2011, 12:07:53 AM
A female Belmont would be a great change of pace.  I wouldn't mind a game starring a female Belnades lead, but at this point I think it might be too predictable...unless its a pre-CVIII gaiden about Sypha (THAT would be awesome).  But if they do decide to give us a female Belmont protagonist....please, no scantily clad bimbo carrying a whip designs.  I appreciate a good sexy virtual female as much as the next adult male, but I'd really like to see a woman wearing something that's actually period correct for once.  A virtual female character can still be sexy without having an exposed midriff and thighs or a halter top with massive cleavage.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Pemburu Vampir on July 10, 2011, 12:27:11 AM
I dunno what is the third option.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 10, 2011, 12:30:11 AM
Issue with a female belmont is that unless she's like, a sister or something, the Belmont name would be lost due to yknow, marital custom of the female taking the Male's surname.

other than that- and if that is worked around, ive got no issue with it.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Mega Man Model T 101 on July 10, 2011, 12:49:39 AM
Issue with a female belmont is that unless she's like, a sister or something, the Belmont name would be lost due to yknow, marital custom of the female taking the Male's surname.

other than that- and if that is worked around, ive got no issue with it.

That's easily fixable, and it's not something that needs to be thought too hard about. For reference, take a look at my fangame thread.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 10, 2011, 01:37:09 AM
Its certainly easily fixable- If the belmonts are important as they are, it would be understandable even, if that tradition is foregone so that they keep their name.

Plus not ALL cultures actually do that.

Argentina comes to mind. despite marriage, both keep their surnames. I think. dont remmeber now
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Ahasverus on July 10, 2011, 02:14:27 AM

Argentina comes to mind. despite marriage, both keep their surnames. I think. dont remmeber now
Actually all hispanic countries (latin america and spain) Portugal, Brasil and Italia I think, keep both surnames, I have two of them  ;D
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Pemburu Vampir on July 10, 2011, 02:35:01 AM
They certainly not in Japan.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Reinhart77 on July 10, 2011, 03:52:54 AM
a new female lead?  yes, definitely, but not for a couple more games down the road.  of course, i'd be willing to take a resurrected Sonia any time, but i guess that really wouldn't be a "new" lead.  i'm all for another Belnades witch too, as long as it sheds some light on who these people are.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Von Doodling on July 10, 2011, 05:55:20 AM
A new female lead wouldn't hurt. Preferably a huge hulkish brute like Aveline from Dragon Age 2.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Chernabogue on July 10, 2011, 05:55:39 AM
a new female lead?  yes, definitely, but not for a couple more games down the road.  of course, i'd be willing to take a resurrected Sonia any time, but i guess that really wouldn't be a "new" lead.  i'm all for another Belnades witch too, as long as it sheds some light on who these people are.
Yeah, it's time for the Belnades to show up! Maybe not in next game, as we got Shanoa, but near in the future, who knows? :)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 10, 2011, 06:06:12 AM
I liked sonia, as long as they put here somewhere else in the timeline, its all good.

Oh, and this time, NOT having her bang Alucard would be nice.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Lil Chillbil on July 10, 2011, 03:32:49 PM
Yes i totaly agree a female Charicter who uses the whip would be awesome. they might even be able to make a sub plot out of this.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 11, 2011, 12:44:31 AM
How about this:

20 years after DoS.  Julius has settled down and has a daughter who has just turned 18 and has been trained by her father to wield the whip so that she may become his successor.  With that, Julius can retire knowing that his families legacy will continue.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 11, 2011, 12:55:40 AM
How about not. Please... we need to leave the 21st centuryvanias alone. IGA already ruined Aria's perfect ending with Dawn of Sorrow. we dont need anything more after that. the novel might be OK since it doesnt revolve around Dracula or anything at all. Its just his lackeys deciding to take the world for themselves.

if im correct actually, isnt Soma just a cameo in the novel?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 11, 2011, 06:36:19 AM
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20 years after DoS.  Julius has settled down and has a daughter who has just turned 18 and has been trained by her father to wield the whip so that she may become his successor.  With that, Julius can retire knowing that his families legacy will continue.

This can work. Dracula is no-longer the villain since he is now Soma, but there are other great evils out there that the Belmont family can tackle. There's still Death who never dies. He could easily take over where Vlad left off and get his @$$ handed to him every time. And Death isn't limited to the hundred years resurrection cycle as Dracula was so you can have multiple games with the same protagonist if you so desire. And of course there's also Galamoth so that's 2 major villains for the Belmonts to deal with. Aw heck I'd even pay money for a game that has the Belmonts going up against Cthulhu. And the 21st century doesn't need to be all futuristic with high technology either. The game could easily take place out in the middle of nowhere or in an abandoned land with ruins, villages and castles to boot.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: jestercolony on July 11, 2011, 10:42:55 AM
I find it very ironic that some claim there are only 2 female protagonist in the Castlevania universe. Let's do a little bit of history shall we? :)

Sypha <-- CV3
Sonia <-- CVL
Carrie <-- CV64
Charlotte <-- OR
Maria <-- Rondo/SoTN
Shanoa <-- OOE.
ADA <-- ....wait wrong game ;P

Nope, sounds like to me Castlevania is doing fine with female protagonist. Just because Maria and Sypha are considered sub characters really doesn't mean anything, this also includes Charlotte; if they are tied to the story as a main character (i.e apart of the part) then they have their own unique storyline around them and their reasons as  to why they are putting the Demon Castle and its dark master back to rest.

And yes there should be more female protagonist. Now here is an even more interesting factor that is slightly off topic - and honestly I find this funny, so don't take it too seriously: Anyone ever notice how racist Castlevania is? It's always a white guy with a whip. ;o Let's see some brother's as protagonist! :D
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Francis on July 11, 2011, 10:58:10 AM
Actually all hispanic countries (latin america and spain) Portugal, Brasil and Italia I think, keep both surnames
no, Italia not  ;)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 11, 2011, 12:05:21 PM
werent Sonia and Carrie's games stricken from Canon?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on July 11, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
I find it very ironic that some claim there are only 2 female protagonist in the Castlevania universe.

I'm pretty sure they mean 'lead' as this is what the title of the thread says.

A protagonist is someone in working in favor of the lead. This of course almost always includes the lead themselves. The lead however is the single most focal character, and almost always a protagonist. Being a lead and a protagonist are not the same things though. There have been many female protagonists, but only two female leads.

Carrie is arguably a lead, since you select your playable character at the beginning of the game, but it's pretty much accepted that she takes a back seat to Reinhardt in the overall big picture.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 11, 2011, 04:49:16 PM
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Anyone ever notice how racist Castlevania is? It's always a white guy with a whip. ;o Let's see some brother's as protagonist!  :D
Yeah we could call it Castlevania: The Disco of Evil and you'd have to fight Blacula  8) Incidentally Castlevania The Disco of Evil is also a websit (for those who're unfamiliar with it.)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Pemburu Vampir on July 11, 2011, 09:16:30 PM
Anyone ever notice how racist Castlevania is? It's always a white guy with a whip. ;o Let's see some brother's as protagonist! :D

The 1999 game will have a brother with black sunglasses that among the Vampires he was known as "The Day Walker".

Don't you think It'd be cool if he make an appearance in Castlevania?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 11, 2011, 10:03:57 PM
No. I want to save the girl, not play as her.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Von Doodling on July 11, 2011, 11:15:27 PM
The 1999 game will have a brother with black sunglasses that among the Vampires he was known as "The Day Walker".

Don't you think It'd be cool if he make an appearance in Castlevania?

Oh sure and the merchant in this game would sell liquor and handguns. Castlevania would take an undefined slope to hell if there was a black lead character. :-X
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 12, 2011, 12:28:47 AM
Oh sure and the merchant in this game would sell liquor and handguns. Castlevania would take an undefined slope to hell if there was a black lead character. :-X

Wow that is kinda racist don't you think?

If the main character was a "black" man/girl I see no reason to add racial stereortypes such as a Merchant selling liquor and handguns. :-\
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 12, 2011, 01:07:39 AM
Oh sure and the merchant in this game would sell liquor and handguns. Castlevania would take an undefined slope to hell if there was a black lead character. :-X
Racist much..?

Its about a white guy with a whip because the Belmonts are white folks with whips. that simple.
I doubt there are that many Black people in Romania.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Von Doodling on July 12, 2011, 02:47:17 AM


So I have a sense of humor about the subject. Big deal.

Racist much..?

Its about a white guy with a whip because the Belmonts are white folks with whips. that simple.

Right and let's keep it simple. It makes better sense. A black lead character? Why? How would it be integral to the series? Or  be an interesting diversion?

Castlevania could use a black lead character....

It's a purposeless misdirected gripe for the sake of apeasing a certain croud or to reshape the existing croud and ultimately screw shit up.  Some things are fine the way they are. It's not wise to destroy a franchise just for the sake of diversity. I'm not worried about it though because I know it will never happen, though the idea is scary. Now a female character, that works. It's a plausible change to the dynamic stream of heros in the series.

Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Kale on July 12, 2011, 05:01:29 AM
Sypha <-- CV3
Sonia <-- CVL
Carrie <-- CV64
Charlotte <-- OR
Maria <-- Rondo/SoTN
Shanoa <-- OOE.
ADA <-- ....wait wrong game ;P

And yes there should be more female protagonist. Now here is an even more interesting factor that is slightly off topic - and honestly I find this funny, so don't take it too seriously: Anyone ever notice how racist Castlevania is? It's always a white guy with a whip. ;o Let's see some brother's as protagonist! :D
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Sypha, Carrie, Maria are far from leads. They are supporting characters, or side to side with the lead at best.

As for teh racist statement... I see it the other way around... people pulling the race card when there isn't one... well, maybe because the story has nothign to do wit black people! I really do hate the insertion of random black guys. Always so out of place.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 12, 2011, 05:46:51 AM
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As for teh racist statement... I see it the other way around... people pulling the race card when there isn't one... well, maybe because the story has nothign to do wit black people! I really do hate the insertion of random black guys. Always so out of place.

It's probably not that far off considering that good ol' IGA has introduced Asian characters and Asian mythology into Castlevania. And if there is to be a Black protagonist then chances are it'll be a Castlevania Gaiden (sidestory) game or an assistant lead alongside the hero.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Pemburu Vampir on July 12, 2011, 05:53:41 AM
What is an Asian boy doing in my game called Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow? I thought the game only involves white people as the lead?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: jestercolony on July 12, 2011, 06:42:39 AM
The 1999 game will have a brother with black sunglasses that among the Vampires he was known as "The Day Walker".

Don't you think It'd be cool if he make an appearance in Castlevania?

LOL! If this was so linked to FB I'd so like this comment on this thread :P
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Von Doodling on July 12, 2011, 07:33:26 AM
Changing the cultural landscape with Soma in AoS/DoS wasn't really a good move but I didn't make me dislike the games. They had decent music, good mechanics etc. but it didn't make me feel like I was playing a CV game. Independently they're great games, but the storyline is more like "the Asian wonderboy who's warped to Dracula's castle to save his love interest, kick some ass, have interesting encounters with CV related characters, finds out he has an 900 year vampire living inside him, and save the world and himself from destruction end of story". Almost as if the supporting characters and the castle itself is just a giant cameo appearence.

The original CV feel is pretty much unrooted to support the Soma's background and explain who he is. So much is lost from the original formula. A black leading character would just do the same thing or possibly worse.

I know the original poster was being facetious with their comment, but we've already had a mishap with Aos/DoS and don't need anymore and the thought is just unsettling.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: jestercolony on July 12, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
Changing the cultural landscape with Soma in AoS/DoS wasn't really a good move but I didn't make me dislike the games. They had decent music, good mechanics etc. but it didn't make me feel like I was playing a CV game. Independently they're great games, but the storyline is more like "the Asian wonderboy who's warped to Dracula's castle to save his love interest, kick some ass, have interesting encounters with CV related characters, finds out he has an 900 year vampire living inside him, and save the world and himself from destruction end of story". Almost as if the supporting characters and the castle itself is just a giant cameo appearence.

The original CV feel is pretty much unrooted to support the Soma's background and explain who he is. So much is lost from the original formula. A black leading character would just do the same thing or possibly worse.

I know the original poster was being facetious with their comment, but we've already had a mishap with Aos/DoS and don't need anymore and the thought is just unsettling.


Well - eventually the game does have to go in to the modern times. Remember that in the original cannon that the Church has been keeping this battle secret for centuries and will continue, eventually Soma will have to die and the reincarnation will have to happen again. I think I understand from official Konami sources from an interview (someone on the forums mentioned this in a post before, but not this one.) is that with every regeneration cycle he "forgets" certain things now.  The reason why the tied mythology from Japan was put into it is for a lot reasons - mostly business and tribute to the country the game origins from, but also keep in mind is that Castlevania has borrowed sources with other forms of Mythology (Atlantis/Greek/Egypt...etc.) so I honestly don't see why there is a problem with implementing this aspect in to the series because the Japanese do have a very interesting mythology, when demons and evil are involved.

What really doesn't make sense to me is the fact that the Japanese normally don't believe in the Christian deity, even to this day, even though there are some who have converted to said religion. And as to why you think is un-rooted is alien to me. The original purpose since day 1 of the series was the fact the game was to pay tribute to classic horror film monsters of movies of the 40s/50s and novels of past ages. (Wolfman, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Dracula...etc.) That was its real purpose behind it. It didn't fully start developing a story around it until Simon's Quest came out, which implanted a curse on Simon, which we found in CV3 that Dracula has a regeneration cycle.  And as for Soma's love interest, in fact that she is the reincarnation of his two other wives (Elizabetha/Lisa.) I mean, shit... Who else would be shocked to know that he is the reincarnation of a true and prime evil? I know I would be... As for the 'save' himself part - yeah I can understand that. But prevent the world from destruction? No you're honestly wrong because there -will- always be a Belmont or someone of that bloodline to put him back in to his regeneration cycle. Had Soma turned - it would of set the Castle free and the cycle, again would continue. 


Why do you think Alucard was so afraid? It was because of the fact that he puts himself to sleep for centuries until he is needed due to this 'greater' evil is because of the fact that he is his father's son. And (I am not christian btw.) that the Father's sins will be passed on to their sons. So if Soma is secure it is more than likely a chance (a slim one) that Alucard will take over his father's throne and become an even more threat because he is a day walker. And we all know that Alucard was able to instantly slaughter a Belmont if he really wanted to. The Vampire Killer just damaged him, he was only  resistant to it because of his dampirism.

As IGA said - there was a LOT more going on in CV3 then what was released to the public in the US and its been lately since SoTN that we have been discovering more and more elements. It's kinda like saying that Satan in a Castlevania game doesn't mix - especially with the current cannon, in which I find strikingly odd because how can Dracula by the "Prince of Darkness" and have the "Castle of Hell" and have rule of the under world and dominion over its monsters? Well obviously something is going on here...

And what's wrong with a black guy being in Castlevania? Just an fyi guys - Hammer was said to be an African, if I remember correctly (I honestly don't remember where I had read that, but I know it was somewhere. If I find it through a little big of digging I'll post it later.) And also the reason why Ayami's designs are the way they are to give the men a feminine appearance was to attract the female gender to the series... Its a very common thing in Japan, the "Pretty boy" look, as it is very not laughed at thing in their society is known to have a lot of cross-genders, its been in their culture for centuries and respected.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on July 12, 2011, 02:52:10 PM
I think the "Black Guy with Sunglasses who is a 'Day Walker'" thing was a nod to Blade, another famous Vampire series.

And yes Von Doodling, that was very very racist, and we do not tolerate that around here.
Keep it up and you'll be banned.  You've been warned.  I don't care how funny you think it is.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Pemburu Vampir on July 12, 2011, 07:18:27 PM
I think the "Black Guy with Sunglasses who is a 'Day Walker'" thing was a nod to Blade, another famous Vampire series.

Yes, it's Blade the Daywalker that I was talking about.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 12, 2011, 08:30:44 PM
who DIDNT get the blade reference?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Von Doodling on July 12, 2011, 11:17:14 PM

Well - eventually the game does have to go in to the modern times. Remember that in the original cannon that the Church has been keeping this battle secret for centuries and will continue, eventually Soma will have to die and the reincarnation will have to happen again. I think I understand from official Konami sources from an interview (someone on the forums mentioned this in a post before, but not this one.) is that with every regeneration cycle he "forgets" certain things now.  The reason why the tied mythology from Japan was put into it is for a lot reasons - mostly business and tribute to the country the game origins from, but also keep in mind is that Castlevania has borrowed sources with other forms of Mythology (Atlantis/Greek/Egypt...etc.) so I honestly don't see why there is a problem with implementing this aspect in to the series because the Japanese do have a very interesting mythology, when demons and evil are involved.

I won't disagree that the Japanese have an interesting mythology and in many ways it could be suitable to Castlevania, but does Castlevania need to expand beyond Europe in the future years to come? Why not use Japanese mythology in the realm of Castlevania itself? Or at least have something like the portals in Portrait of Ruin if traveling to another land is really that important. If the purpose of removing Castlevania from Europe is to change the scenery and eliminate the repetitive nature of the game it's pointless, because the game operates on repetitive structure itself of constantly ressurrecting Dracula. It just functions best that way. The whole Soma or Malus (CV64) incarnation thing is just this temporary bypass to the greater scheme of things which is Dracula. An interesting plot, but a diversion that only ends in the similar way as every other Castlevania. Besides anything plot based that happened in AoS/DoS could have happened in Europe right? It didn't have to be Japan.

Sadly to say there's only so much left to do with the series, how many more times can Dracula be ressurected from the time of his first reign all the way past Dawn of Sorrow? I don't want to see Castlevania turning into The Fifth Element or the Jetson's. Dracula is going to have to eat shit at one point. I never was a big fan of the whole Aos/Dos games and if they keep making new games I really hope they continue to recycle the old time periods so we can keep the original feel we remember the series to be.

On another note,

Yeah I had no idea about the Blade movies till you guys told me. I actually just finished watching one and you know what? I didn't like it. Can you guys guess why? Just kidding don't answer that.

No but seriously, the Blade movies are ok and I think the Blade character is fine as a black guy, and to be honest I don't think it would make a difference what color he is. However in Castlevania....that's another story and a conflict that would shake the integrity of the series itself. The purpose of my argument altogether so I'm not gonna keep chipping away at that. I have my own point of view of that subject and I'm sure many would agree with me to an extent.

As for my earlier stereotype, well that's a matter of perspective. It can be seen as a racist comment in one light or seen as an observation based on a large body of substancial evidence that's possibly true. I just see things differently, it's not a crime. Anyhow for the purpose of forum etiquette I won't say anything else like that again.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Corpsecrank on July 13, 2011, 01:00:25 AM
Provided she's not yet another Belnades type spellcaster, I can get behind this.

I do agree with that to a degree. I would love to see some of the former female leads return though at some point either in the near or far future.

Don't forget about portrait it did technically contain a female lead also... I am counting 4 or 5 total now with possible others.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Pentagram-cracker on July 13, 2011, 03:06:34 PM
I want to point out something regarding these "Spellcasting Females" in the series.

The thing you have to understand is that the Castlevania games are set in Old Europe but also contain a lot of Japanese influence. While I'm not trying to accuse Japan of being a sexist country, in their culture women have always been viewed as less phsyically imposing than men. I mean we're talking about a country where even today the female police officers still wear skirts instead of pants and aren't even allowed to carry firearms. However in their same culture women have traditionally been thought of as having a higher spirituality than the men do. There were believed to be many priestesses and old hags who had a strong connection with the supernatural and could banish evil spirits and demons. That is probably the main reason why in a lot of anime and fantasy video games made by Japan, you see a lot of those "magic girls" which are young female heroines that fight evil with spells and magical blasts. Then when you consider the fact that a lot of these Castlevania games are set in Colonial Era Europe where women had little to no rights and their status depended entirely on their husbands or fathers, I think the Japanese creators felt that if they wanted to include playable heroines to fight Dracula that they should give them the kind of strength they felt the women in their own culture had at that time, which was using magic rather than weapons. Plus European Mythology was known for its enchantresses too.

Of course here in the US we're more accustomed to the strong independant woman archetype, which I think has come from the fact that in our culture women were always forced to work hard in order to support themselves and their families and couldn't afford to just sit around and look pretty, and it's in our culture that women have proven they can be just as tough as the men which is why we have female police officers (who actually carry guns) and soldiers. Sonya Belmont seems to be the first example of a strong female heroine introduced in Castlevania who could fight with actual weapons, and of course she was created for an American-made Castlevania game that was sadly cancelled and made her a non-canonical character.

I think Shanoa is the closest we'll get to a strong female heroine that appeals to Western fans of the series. While she does fight by magical means, she actually uses weapons and gets phsyical while slaughtering demons and the undead.

I personally would love to have a new strong female protagonist who is like Sonya or Shanoa, but as long as this game is made by Japanese developers whatever playable females we are given in the series will be created with Japan's ideals of what a woman should be like.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 14, 2011, 12:36:50 AM
^^This is a very logical way of looking at it and it does make a lot of sense. But it is unfortunate that much of the Japanese culture hasn't elevated woman status beyond what has long since been established. As this is the 21st century, a lot of countries need to make the efforts to destroy inequality and build up better relationships and understandings between the two sexes. As the old saying goes: 'He who does not adapt, shall perish.' I take this saying to heart every day of my life as it speaks volumes of meanings in just one small sentence. If said countries want survive in the new millennium they need to change with the times. Anyways back to the topic (sorry bout this rant). A female lead is needed for CV. Especially a female Belmont.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 14, 2011, 11:30:37 PM
^^This is a very logical way of looking at it and it does make a lot of sense. But it is unfortunate that much of the Japanese culture hasn't elevated woman status beyond what has long since been established. As this is the 21st century, a lot of countries need to make the efforts to destroy inequality and build up better relationships and understandings between the two sexes. As the old saying goes: 'He who does not adapt, shall perish.' I take this saying to heart every day of my life as it speaks volumes of meanings in just one small sentence. If said countries want survive in the new millennium they need to change with the times. Anyways back to the topic (sorry bout this rant). A female lead is needed for CV. Especially a female Belmont.
This is why I put forth the idea that Julius could have a daughter that succeeds him as a vampire hunter.  First of all, it continues the bloodline.  And second, it's set in the near future where it's more likely to see a woman doing something that men traditionally do regardless of what country they're in.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on July 15, 2011, 12:58:38 AM
That's an excellent breakdown. It really does make sense in why it happened when you really think about it, right or wrong.

I am personally of the opinion that a woman can do just about everything a man can, only a hell of a lot sexier. Female leads don't bother me at all. In a lot of cases I prefer them, if only for their obscurity. It's refreshing, and new in a lot of cases.

When done right, a female lead can give an interesting new outlook on the experience. And by done right, I don't mean a soulless object with beach ball breasts.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: thernz on July 15, 2011, 01:04:55 AM
I hope they make a sexy male lead some time. The sexiest Castlevania will ever have should be a male. Subvert those conventions, baby.

i dont mean sexy like isaac
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 15, 2011, 01:39:30 AM
Youve got about half a dozen Belmonts to choose from. You mean you dont dig ANY of them?

Not even badass beard Julius?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: C Belmont on July 15, 2011, 01:42:36 AM
Western mythology isn't exactly overflowing with strong female characters either you know, in Arthurian legend female characters often relied on magic or trickery/deception to achieve their goals that is if they were'nt simply damsels in distress.So I wouldn't go blaming Japanese culture solely for the prevalence of female characters that rely on something other than physical strength because it's pretty common to fantasy in general.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: thernz on July 15, 2011, 01:47:05 AM
Youve got about half a dozen Belmonts to choose from. You mean you dont dig ANY of them?

Not even badass beard Julius?
They certainly look sexy but they don't act sexy.

besides trevor
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 15, 2011, 12:49:44 PM
i am so glad this is brought up here! yay! what a fantastic idea! and i agree, but i wonder how a warrior woman would be believable. making her a belmont would certainly help, i'd imagine. but is society (even this day in age) ready for a believable female warrior?

as for making her 'sexy', i feel would detracted from her. what she would probably need is VERY good and VERY strong voice. and a proper back story.

and realistic and 'sexy' simply do not mesh, in my thinking.

it is not practical for a female warrior to prance around, surrounded by enemies, with little on but a metal bra and panties. i would want this role to be believable.

if we were to follow the CLOS timeline, europe in the dark ages is cold, rough place. even moreso for women. so how could this warrior womon escape those harsh realities? look into history my friends. there are plenty of civilizations that had warrior women and societies that far exceeded 'equality among the sexes' we have even in our time.

i'd like to think that CLOS, while riddled with plotholes and inconsistancies, was still rich in history if not mythology. however,
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Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: crisis on July 15, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
what if a new CV heroine game looked like this?

Heavenly Sword Intro with Gameplay (Play Through) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vY_--PhaG0#ws)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 15, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
certainly looks capable ^_^ and i had her in mind when i was writing my post LOL but i feel she is too skinny. and doesn't seem able to actually hold up that sword. lol but a very good idea! also... needs more clothes >< LMAO for castlevania climate... yes... clothes and armour.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 15, 2011, 04:21:42 PM
If there is to be a woman warrior for a Belmont lead then I'd look no further then the northern tribes of Europe. Nordic/Celts/Vikings/Germanic/Anglo-Saxons would supply the perfect body-type for just such a warrior woman. In many of these tribes (believe it or not) there was equality amongst the sexes especially in the Viking circles. The Greek Amazon warrior women would be another good choice but they're in the wrong time period  :P And before I forget Spartan woman were also expected to be fit and strong. But again, wrong time period.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 15, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
If there is to be a woman warrior for a Belmont lead then I'd look no further then the northern tribes of Europe. Nordic/Celts/Vikings/Germanic/Anglo-Saxons would supply the perfect body-type for just such a warrior woman. In many of these tribes (believe it or not) there was equality amongst the sexes especially in the Viking circles. The Greek Amazon warrior women would be another good choice but they're in the wrong time period  :P And before I forget Spartan woman were also expected to be fit and strong. But again, wrong time period.

history is awesome!!! and yes... it's in the nords my friend! i'd say they were beautiful too, because the roman women complained of them taking all of their men LMAO... i think it is more of a location issue rather than time period issue. keep in mind the gauls were a very nomadic people. so they could have been around... who knows? LOL gosh i'm so glad you knew about the nords! i didn't want to come right out and say 'helloo... valkyries... celts?" but oh well...
i don't know why, but i'm super fired up about the idea. 
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: C Belmont on July 16, 2011, 11:45:19 PM
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   ...dhampirs anyone? (NOT THAT I LIKE THE IDEA)

If LOS introduced a female lead it would probably adhere to the more profitable sexy vampire stereotype in the same way that Gabriel was a morally ambiguous anti hero
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 17, 2011, 01:11:33 AM
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   ...dhampirs anyone? (NOT THAT I LIKE THE IDEA)

If LOS introduced a female lead it would probably adhere to the more profitable sexy vampire stereotype in the same way that Gabriel was a morally ambiguous anti hero

aww that makes me sad, pandering to the basic side of the masculine >< if they do that... you'd basically have bloodrayne. (i laugh at her stupid head)

are there no games, movies, books, where the female lead was both a believeable character AND sexy and or beautiful? see... that's why i asked if society was ready for a realistic female lead.

and i, like the idea of a dampire belmont almost as much as i like watching paint dry. it suggests that 'dracula' wasn't such a bad guy and then you run into softening the one baddy that was never meant to be anything but perpetual evil.

it will further romantasize a freaking demon. which is just silly! well, to me it is. oh i could go on, but... i really hope if there is ever a female belmont in the CLOS world... she is gabriel's sister... or some kind of far reaching relative, proved by some old manuscript somewhere LOL stretching it a bit... but i can imagine. and she takes on gabriel's surname because his true demise is still unknown to all others.

Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on July 17, 2011, 01:54:53 AM
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and i, like the idea of a dampire belmont almost as much as i like watching paint dry. it suggests that 'dracula' wasn't such a bad guy and then you run into softening the one baddy that was never meant to be anything but perpetual evil.

it will further romantasize a freaking demon. which is just silly!

LOL! Like Twilight and the Anne Rice novels? Thankx a lot writers!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: darkwzrd4 on July 17, 2011, 06:21:05 PM
LOL! Like Twilight and the Anne Rice novels? Thankx a lot writers!
Yeah.  They completely killed the concept of a vampire as a monster.  They have essentially reduced them to a bunch of emo pretty boys.  While I can see how that caters to the tastes of the ladies, it alienates the straight guys (really pisses me off).  The best example of a true vampire outside of CV is the Alucard from the hellsing anime and manga.  Now that is a vampire!!!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 17, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
Yeah.  They completely killed the concept of a vampire as a monster.  They have essentially reduced them to a bunch of emo pretty boys.  While I can see how that caters to the tastes of the ladies, it alienates the straight guys (really pisses me off).  The best example of a true vampire outside of CV is the Alucard from the hellsing anime and manga.  Now that is a vampire!!!

i know right?! even integral is totally badass. i'm a lady... and alucard from hellsing... definately catered to me... there was nothing romantic to him. it was all raw power (and a good looking mug) that lended him the attractivness. but on the unlikely event that he was real and i met him... no... just no. i'd run away screaming.

LOL! Like Twilight and the Anne Rice novels? Thankx a lot writers!

EXACTLY!

as for a believable leading belmont lady... yeah, i could really go for that. i just wish there was a way to bring her about. *le sigh
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Gunlord on July 18, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
Would you? As I recall, he was something of a gentleman...didn't he save Seras Victoria's life? Albeit by turning her into a vampire, but still...
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 18, 2011, 12:08:20 AM
Would you? As I recall, he was something of a gentleman...didn't he save Seras Victoria's life? Albeit by turning her into a vampire, but still...

hence the running away. the life (or the unlife rather) of a vampire has been glamourized. it's gruesome thing. nearly immortal, watching everyone around you die, limitless power that eventually takes it's toll. nope, i'll leave that to the already damned... count me out... hehe, i crack myself up.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Kale on July 18, 2011, 02:20:12 AM
LOL! Like Twilight and the Anne Rice novels? Thankx a lot writers!

I agree twilight is a piece of crap but Anne Rice's Interview with the vampire is pretty good imo.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on July 18, 2011, 03:30:46 AM
Anne Rice is who Stephanie Myers WISHES she was.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: gortaithe on July 18, 2011, 07:37:18 PM
Anne Rice is who Stephanie Myers WISHES she was.

i don't think stephanie myers has ever read anne rice novels... much less anything else that is better than her. stephanie is in a league of her own... poor dear. 
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: CapriciousWitch on September 29, 2011, 05:53:01 AM
YES! I've noticed that they're aren't many women who kick ass in the series, what the fuck are the developers chauvinist dudes or what?! To be honest I think they made females pretty half ass, yeah lets A- make one a warrior type (Kind of) B-Make her spellcaster type. Not much in the middle well rounded characters.

The idea of being sexy some say? Well she's a vampire hunter, doesn't matter how she's dressed, if she's got a rockin' body, a pretty face, and kicks ass, she's going to be sexy. (LOL I used an eff load of commas!  :P)

She can be dressed like Mother Teresa for all guys care but if she meets the prerequisites above, the sex appeal will come.

I'm waiting for the day when the developers will bring a female hero.
What we I want for a female Hero.

List of Wants
Kick Ass
Looks Good *Physically includes body,face,hair, etc Blah Blah*
Sounds Good *If she has a voice I hear from Japanese Hentai's I swear I will choke a b*ch*
Has Charisma *Never FORGER about Personality*
Has a History (Back Story! Why should we care about this chick? Why does she want to kill?)
Great Moves/Variety of Moves ( She better defend herself well or again I will choke a b*tch)

I'm sure people have other ideas I can't think of anything else really needed for a female heroine at the moment.

PS. Sir Integral Fairbrook Wingates Hellsing owns. ;D

Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on September 29, 2011, 03:31:58 PM
Don't you dare question my resolve! I've already given you your marching orders, soldier! You will search and destroy! SEARCH AND DESTROY!! Any resistance you encounter is to be crushed! Hellsing does not run from our enemies! Kill them all!! I order you to leave nothing but bloody stains in your wake!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Gunlord on September 29, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
You're a Hellsing fan too, Uzo? 8)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Neobelmont on September 29, 2011, 07:44:15 PM
Yeah.  They completely killed the concept of a vampire as a monster.  They have essentially reduced them to a bunch of emo pretty boys.  While I can see how that caters to the tastes of the ladies, it alienates the straight guys (really pisses me off).  The best example of a true vampire outside of CV is the Alucard from the hellsing anime and manga.  Now that is a vampire!!!

You forget the most important part they sparkle now instead of burning into ash.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on September 30, 2011, 01:05:57 AM
Don't you dare question my resolve! I've already given you your marching orders, soldier! You will search and destroy! SEARCH AND DESTROY!! Any resistance you encounter is to be crushed! Hellsing does not run from our enemies! Kill them all!! I order you to leave nothing but bloody stains in your wake!
Integra <3
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Super Waffle on September 30, 2011, 03:34:56 AM
oh boy another character who will quickly disappear into the series' endless misogyny.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Munchy on September 30, 2011, 04:21:54 AM
If another female protagonist is introduced, please please please don't just be another goddamn mage. Though I thoroughly enjoyed OoE, the fact that Shanoa could only use swords and maces with magic glyphs was kinda... telling.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Dengo vlad tepes on September 30, 2011, 04:33:21 AM
If a warrior yes !!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: KaZudra on September 30, 2011, 06:53:32 AM
Shanoa was Awesome, she was a big element toward making OoE the best DS cV game.

Another female lead would have to be a tough girl with emotions though, that way we can have a story.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on September 30, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
You're a Hellsing fan too, Uzo? 8)

Damn straight.

And I do agree with whats being said here. Shanoa was a step in the right direction, though I can see how the Glyph system could be interpreted as "an excuse for a woman to wield 'real' weapons". I really did like Shanoa though. She had class and wasn't afraid to beat down the undead, all while sporting a really hot look. Even her voice was confident and stood out. I really enjoyed playing as her.

I do not however believe that IGA is sexist. Legends being booted from canon makes sense in that it defies several long standing canon facts. Not because Sonia is a woman. In general though, I think IGA is just trying to make things a little more close to real world standards for the time periods. That's not to say that there have not been exceptions, but it is a general guideline of the time periods used. As evidence of this, Shanoa, Charlotte, and Yoko come from a later time period where it's a bit more acceptable.

Curse of Darkness was a missed opportunity though, in my opinion. Some women of the era turned to the dark arts as a form of social relief. Within those circles they had more freedom and power than society would allow them normally. Hector could have EASILY been a woman who joined Dracula's dark arts as a social escape.

Even then, mage girls don't have to be weak and timid. You can still pull off a powerful and badass mage girl. It's really more how it's presented than the powers they wield.

In general, I can see why things have gone the way they have, but I think with a little creativity and clever writing you can keep this concept and still introduce strong female leads.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: KaZudra on September 30, 2011, 04:30:28 PM
Damn straight.

And I do agree with whats being said here. Shanoa was a step in the right direction, though I can see how the Glyph system could be interpreted as "an excuse for a woman to wield 'real' weapons". I really did like Shanoa though. She had class and wasn't afraid to beat down the undead, all while sporting a really hot look. Even her voice was confident and stood out. I really enjoyed playing as her.

I do not however believe that IGA is sexist. Legends being booted from canon makes sense in that it defies several long standing canon facts. Not because Sonia is a woman. In general though, I think IGA is just trying to make things a little more close to real world standards for the time periods. That's not to say that there have not been exceptions, but it is a general guideline of the time periods used. As evidence of this, Shanoa, Charlotte, and Yoko come from a later time period where it's a bit more acceptable.

Curse of Darkness was a missed opportunity though, in my opinion. Some women of the era turned to the dark arts as a form of social relief. Within those circles they had more freedom and power than society would allow them normally. Hector could have EASILY been a woman who joined Dracula's dark arts as a social escape.

Even then, mage girls don't have to be weak and timid. You can still pull off a powerful and badass mage girl. It's really more how it's presented than the powers they wield.

In general, I can see why things have gone the way they have, but I think with a little creativity and clever writing you can keep this concept and still introduce strong female leads.

This and Saturn Maria is the Strongest being in the CV universe which IGa had part in.

Seriously, go look at some videos of Saturn Maria being OP, then you'll all understand why I spit on the PSP maria
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Gunlord on October 01, 2011, 01:45:25 AM
You know, that's a very perceptive comment, uzo-sama :o I never knew you were interested in medieval history either. I would just add a bit to this:

"mage girls don't have to be weak and timid."

I think mages in general don't have to be physically weak, either. I just wrote a fanfic where the main evil mage was a tall, muscular man who wore plate mail and fought with his fists as well as dark magic. It might be possible to do something similar with a woman--a very lean, physically-fit woman with toned muscles wearing a sexy yet classy suit of armor who fought with physical swords and axes but used magic to enhance her weaponry. ;o
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: thernz on October 01, 2011, 01:52:19 AM
Well, unlike Saturn Maria, PSP Maria actually plays like,
you know,
Maria.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Neobelmont on October 01, 2011, 03:52:06 AM
You know, that's a very perceptive comment, uzo-sama :o I never knew you were interested in medieval history either. I would just add a bit to this:

"mage girls don't have to be weak and timid."

I think mages in general don't have to be physically weak, either. I just wrote a fanfic where the main evil mage was a tall, muscular man who wore plate mail and fought with his fists as well as dark magic. It might be possible to do something similar with a woman--a very lean, physically-fit woman with toned muscles wearing a sexy yet classy suit of armor who fought with physical swords and axes but used magic to enhance her weaponry. ;o







It sounds like this


Ys II: Castle in the Heavens, Ep2 part 3/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5GDnpvFVk#)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Zydalc on October 30, 2011, 07:59:26 AM
Damn straight.

And I do agree with whats being said here. Shanoa was a step in the right direction, though I can see how the Glyph system could be interpreted as "an excuse for a woman to wield 'real' weapons". I really did like Shanoa though. She had class and wasn't afraid to beat down the undead, all while sporting a really hot look. Even her voice was confident and stood out. I really enjoyed playing as her.

I do not however believe that IGA is sexist. Legends being booted from canon makes sense in that it defies several long standing canon facts. Not because Sonia is a woman. In general though, I think IGA is just trying to make things a little more close to real world standards for the time periods. That's not to say that there have not been exceptions, but it is a general guideline of the time periods used. As evidence of this, Shanoa, Charlotte, and Yoko come from a later time period where it's a bit more acceptable.

Curse of Darkness was a missed opportunity though, in my opinion. Some women of the era turned to the dark arts as a form of social relief. Within those circles they had more freedom and power than society would allow them normally. Hector could have EASILY been a woman who joined Dracula's dark arts as a social escape.

Even then, mage girls don't have to be weak and timid. You can still pull off a powerful and badass mage girl. It's really more how it's presented than the powers they wield.

In general, I can see why things have gone the way they have, but I think with a little creativity and clever writing you can keep this concept and still introduce strong female leads.

Well I think IGA didn't look into history deeper enough and there were women back then who fought back then and you said something about "missed opportunities" and also the part bolded they could have explored that possible exception. So yes IGA was sexist.

Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: TheouAegis on October 30, 2011, 09:44:31 PM
Wow, semi-necroed topics.

Just look at Xena and Gabriel. Girls can be good, violent protagonists!

And going back to an old post in this thread, whoever said a female Belmont would have to be married? The Belmont family has been cast aside by the Church so many times, there's no reason they'd have to follow cultural standards. I'm not saying Mrs. Belmont would be a slut, but maybe her fiance was killed by Dracula or his minions or whatever (while trying to fight Dracula). The Belmonts weren't the only ones to fight Dracula, remember, they were just the only ones to defeat him. So fate could have played a part in preserving the Belmont name -- by killing off the soon-to-be husband and making the heir-apparent an illegitimate bastard child.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on October 30, 2011, 10:32:58 PM
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And going back to an old post in this thread, whoever said a female Belmont would have to be married? The Belmont family has been cast aside by the Church so many times, there's no reason they'd have to follow cultural standards. I'm not saying Mrs. Belmont would be a slut, but maybe her fiance was killed by Dracula or his minions or whatever (while trying to fight Dracula). The Belmonts weren't the only ones to fight Dracula, remember, they were just the only ones to defeat him. So fate could have played a part in preserving the Belmont name -- by killing off the soon-to-be husband and making the heir-apparent an illegitimate bastard child.

I've been saying this too. It very easy to have a female Belmont heroine while at the same time preserving her house name. If only this had occurred to IGA...
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Arma on October 30, 2011, 11:51:37 PM
hmmm... as long as the character is strong and interesting I don't really care their gender so... yeah why not, if everyone wants a female lead then they should give the fans another one.
As long it is a warrior.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on October 31, 2011, 04:59:17 AM
Not to mention, and this is something Ive mentioned before I think- Its really more of a US custom, (cant speak for if it came from Britain back in the day though) for the Wife to take the Husband's surname. In many parts of South America and Europe, The Wife keeps her last name. Also, the Belmonts would be important enough that any Female member would preserve her surname upon marriage.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on October 31, 2011, 12:01:24 PM
Its really more of a US custom, (cant speak for if it came from Britain back in the day though)

It far predates the USA, and predates Britain too for that matter.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: knightmere on October 31, 2011, 12:48:01 PM
Maybe IGA should bring back Sonia Belmont into a new game and give her a new story?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on October 31, 2011, 03:06:59 PM
It far predates the USA, and predates Britain too for that matter.
Ah, alright then. Still though, not every place in the world does it, was the point.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Nagumo on October 31, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
If they would ever want to have a female Belmont as a character, I doubt they find themselves unable to do so because of surname complications.   
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: TheouAegis on October 31, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
Metroid-style speed-run female Belmont!
No, no, I don't mean beating the game under a certain amount of time let's you see her naked or in just her bra and panties. This is IGA we're talking about! Beat the game in record time and it's secretly revealed to you that she's a cross-dresser! And that's the "good ending"!
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: crisis on October 31, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20070713161605%2Fmetroid%2Fimages%2Fb%2Fb5%2FMetroid_II_Best_Ending.png&hash=b9961526de8475b2438078b0e9293e1cce90fca7)
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: thernz on October 31, 2011, 11:00:14 PM
If they would ever want to have a female Belmont as a character, I doubt they find themselves unable to do so because of surname complications.   
Or they could just not care about that. It's not like the process of picking the heir is detailed.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on October 31, 2011, 11:37:42 PM
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Maybe IGA should bring back Sonia Belmont into a new game and give her a new story?

Only as long as he doesn't degrade her into a second-rate character or something any less then what she's supposed to be; A warrior.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: TheouAegis on November 01, 2011, 03:24:51 AM
She's almost packing in that pic.
That's the "Bad Ending" in IGA's version.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Nagumo on November 01, 2011, 06:30:47 AM
Or they could just not care about that. It's not like the process of picking the heir is detailed.

Yes, I thought about that too. And it's kind of what I meant.   
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on November 01, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
Though it hasn't been explicitly mentioned, it's implied that the heir carries on the whip through the bloodline and passes that whip and their skills down through to the children they raise. Which is why it makes sense that all the Belmont warriors have been male and kept their surname. There may also be the explanation that Sara's soul only accepts male Belmont warrior heirs, otherwise it sucks the life out of you (see also; John, Jonathan).

I do recall a curious comment in Harmony of Dissonance though, where Maxim wanted Juste's title which suggested it was the heir's title but also suspiciously named "Vampire Killer". I'm not sure if it was explicitly said, but it sounds like Maxim wanted to be the heir to the whip. Anyone have any clarification on that and or a better translation from the original?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: TheouAegis on November 01, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
But a lot of male genealogical traits are passed down through the mother, from grandfather to mother. A purely male Belmont line would degrade the lineage over time. At some point in the Belmont history, a woman had to posess the power of the Belmont bloodline in order to pass it down to her son, otherwise eventually the Belnades/Vernandez (transliteration can be a bitch) bloodline would eventually overtake the Belmont bloodline.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Husky on November 05, 2011, 12:53:01 AM
also remember Belmonts aren't the only ones to weild Vampire Killer, If memory serves me correctly wasn't Nathan's from Cotm, (I can't remember if EGO/IGA removed this from cannon) sirname Graves. and Reinhart's sirname was Schnider, both weilded Vampire Killer, and never had menchion of ill effects, but then again the CV time line has been so poluted with BS that cannon is extreamly questionable.

Sooo Maybe they can do the While the Belmont clan was out of action and the whip was changing hands and being held for a heir have one of them be a female protagonist, a strong woman   
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on November 05, 2011, 06:14:22 AM
Nathan used the "Hunter's Whip". It wasn't vampire Killer. (could be a mistranslation, but its not the only time a non "Vampire Killer" whip has been mentioned, the second being Julius' apprentice in that novel, so its not a stretch.)

And Reinheart was originally supposed to be a Belmont character. Schneider Belmont if I recall.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Husky on November 06, 2011, 12:25:33 AM
Julius was in a novel?
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Flame on November 06, 2011, 02:45:19 AM
Akumajo Dracula: Kabuchi no Tsuisoukyoku (rough translation: Demon Castle Dracula: Ricordanza of the God's Abyss)

Takes place a year after Dawn. Soma and Mina make a cameo role.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Zydalc on November 08, 2011, 07:37:13 AM
Shanoa was a step in the right direction,

Oh one more thing to add, The entire Order of Ecclesia game is just a side story which made Shanoa irrelevant and her involvement is not remembered in the main storyline which also shows that IGA is obviously sexist.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Gunlord on November 08, 2011, 05:49:50 PM
Zydalc, that's a little extreme...OoE isn't just a 'side story,' it's from IGA and is acknowledged as canon. Shanoa has also showed up elsewhere, like in CV Judgment. I don't think IGA is "sidelining" her due to "sexism" or anything like that.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: uzo on November 08, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Oh one more thing to add, The entire Order of Ecclesia game is just a side story which made Shanoa irrelevant and her involvement is not remembered in the main storyline which also shows that IGA is obviously sexist.

Totally, because all the other countless side stories with male protagonists would totally not destroy your argument completely.

Oops.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Chernabogue on November 08, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
I want the next game's protagonist to be a DARK PRIEST.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: thernz on November 08, 2011, 07:34:04 PM
Beating Dracula is a pretty important thing.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: X on November 09, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
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I want the next game's protagonist to be a DARK PRIEST.

And if you beat the game to see the secret ending, the dark priest looks directly at you from the game screen and violates your mind.
Title: Re: A new female lead?
Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 09, 2011, 06:00:50 PM
And if you beat the game to see the secret ending, the dark priest looks directly at you from the game screen and violates your mind.

That would be awesome!!!