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Title: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: crisis on September 08, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
The obvious answer may be Trevor, but think about it... The Belmonts have 300+ years of fighting evil before Trevor was conceived. And none of that woulda been possible if it wasn't for Leon, so he gets all my credit and my vote. He also has some of the best ending dialogue in the series, and possibly in all of video games.

Sonia was supposed to be the progenitor of the clan & in theory she works, but... her butt on her sprite is too big.

Gabriel makes for an awesome template to establish the clan, he's strong and can probably beat any other Belmont in an arm wrestling match. Maybe not Simon but I digress. He has a cool outfit & his attitude towards creatures of the night is just boss. but there's A LOT of controversy there. I'm still waiting for him to "split himself in half," if ya get my drift  ;)



So who do you think did it best? If you think they all suck and no one did it right, plz explain.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: KaZudra on September 08, 2011, 12:33:12 PM
Quote from: Crisis on September 08, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
I'm still waiting for him to "split himself in half," if ya get my drift  ;)

THAT would sell Millions, Any game that would take an internal conflict to a literal level has me sold ten copies.

My votes on Ralphie/Trevy

As the game's Named, Akumajo Dracula, not Akumajo 300+ years before Dracula.
Sonia didn't have my vote cause I dislike playing the GB titles, although I do love the soundtracks.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: K.G. Morder on September 08, 2011, 01:47:20 PM
Imma say Gabriel if only because he's the best represented character. The others had little story to them or were just not that interesting.

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Gabriel makes for an awesome template to establish the clan, he's strong and can probably beat any other Belmont in an arm wrestling match. Maybe not Simon but I digress. He has a cool outfit & his attitude towards creatures of the night is just boss.

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Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: darkwzrd4 on September 08, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
I said that a "Dark Priest Violates" because I can't make a decision.  I'm torn between Gabriel and Leon.  Gabe is a beast in battle was just brutal when it came to finishing off Camilla and Cornell.  Leon, on the other hand, seemed more mature.  He lost someone he loved, but he didn't mope around like Gabe.  He grieved for a little and then killed Walter.  He never lost his humanity what so ever.  They both lost someone they loved, but Leon handled it better.  I like Gabe's brutal way of fighting, but I prefer Leon's mature personality.  I'm really torn and can't decide between the two.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Mortificator on September 08, 2011, 03:18:28 PM
This poll leaves out Christopher, the character originally envisioned to be the progenitor of the Belmonts. It was Dracula's Curse that shoehorned in one before Chris and solidified the idea of the Belmonts' fight being cyclic.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: whitedragon_nall on September 08, 2011, 04:08:09 PM
I went with Leon because...
Quote from: Crisis on September 08, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
The Belmonts have 300+ years of fighting evil before Trevor was conceived. And none of that woulda been possible if it wasn't for Leon, so he gets all my credit and my vote. He also has some of the best ending dialogue in the series, and possibly in all of video games.

Gabe would come in second because he definitely has the most character out of all the Belmont's.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 08, 2011, 04:09:52 PM
I actually really liked LOI as a origin story.

And I really like Leon also.

So I voted for Leon.

Although Trevor is still more badass lol.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Inccubus on September 08, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
I voted Ralph (pronounced 'ray-ph' in German) because he is the only one the establishes "The Legend" which I take to be the legend of the Belmont Clan taking down Dracula. Leon & Gabe don't fight Dracula. I like Sonia, but no. Just... no.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: GuyStarwind on September 08, 2011, 05:40:25 PM
My vote is for Leon.

Btw is there some sort of talk regarding Gabriel splitting him self in half or is that just wishful thinking? I'm so out of the loop XD. I admit if that's the case it could be cool if done right. However, I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: whitedragon_nall on September 08, 2011, 05:56:55 PM
Quote from: GuyStarwind on September 08, 2011, 05:40:25 PM
My vote is for Leon.

Btw is there some sort of talk regarding Gabriel splitting him self in half or is that just wishful thinking? I'm so out of the loop XD. I admit if that's the case it could be cool if done right. However, I'm not holding my breath.

Just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: X on September 08, 2011, 06:10:38 PM
My vote goes to Sonia. My other choice would've been Ralph (Trevor). I'm not really fond of Leon as he comes across to me as a male version of Sonia.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Gambit Belmont on September 08, 2011, 07:13:25 PM
The reason I am going "UWHAAAAAAAAAAAA?? O_O" at all the Sonia voters:

Don't you realise that if Sonia and Alucard gave birth to Trevor then that means that not only does Trevor becomes 1/4 Vampire, but also that the entire Belmont bloodline after him would be corrupted by Alucard's vampiric blood?  The fact that Alucard remains a "good" Vampire (half-vampire rather) makes little difference, either.  To be good was a decision of his.  But by biology however, he still possesses unholy traits due to what he partly is.  This unholy being would also be passed onto Trevor as well as the rest of the Belmont bloodline, even if the unholiness is lessened with the birth of each Belmont successor.  I mean, okay, I guess it would give somewhat of a humorous explanation as to why the earliest Belmonts succeeding Sonia are unable to swim in games, but... XD

I vote Leon simply because of the story revolving around him.  Especially the creation of Vampire Killer. =D
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: C Belmont on September 08, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
I voted for Leon but I like Ralph equally as much, they both come across as classic good guy heroes that anyone could like as progenitor to the clan.Sonia's fling with Alucard & it's consequences on the bloodline are about the only issue I have with her & although Gabriel makes a decent Dracula I think he makes a terrible Belmont, he's powerfull sure but everything else about him is pretty dark & miserable - I'm hoping that it's not a hereditary trait should MS choose to bring the clan back.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Neobelmont on September 09, 2011, 12:20:13 AM
This was not fair between my favorite belmonts. Trevor and Gabriel are tied for second for me as favorite belmonts and as for Sonia well I just like blonde girls  ;D do not care for Leon all that much he is decent at best not bad but not great as well. But Gabriel takes it for me.

As for Gabriel spliting him self up it sounds so wrong  :-[
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 09, 2011, 09:13:21 AM
Leon was a good "start of it all" guy.  I like the idea of a Crusader becoming a vampire hunter. 

Legends didn't explain where the Vampire Killer came from, which Sonia had inherited, so there's still a feeling that there's something that came before her.  She was taught how to handle a whip by her grandfather, so why would he start using a whip if it wasn't for vampire hunting?  Even if Legends isn't cannon to LoI, LoI seems to answer questions like why her grandfather used a whip.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 09, 2011, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: Gambit Belmont on September 08, 2011, 07:13:25 PM
The reason I am going "UWHAAAAAAAAAAAA?? O_O" at all the Sonia voters:

Don't you realise that if Sonia and Alucard gave birth to Trevor then that means that not only does Trevor becomes 1/4 Vampire, but also that the entire Belmont bloodline after him would be corrupted by Alucard's vampiric blood?  The fact that Alucard remains a "good" Vampire (half-vampire rather) makes little difference, either.  To be good was a decision of his.  But by biology however, he still possesses unholy traits due to what he partly is.  This unholy being would also be passed onto Trevor as well as the rest of the Belmont bloodline, even if the unholiness is lessened with the birth of each Belmont successor.  I mean, okay, I guess it would give somewhat of a humorous explanation as to why the earliest Belmonts succeeding Sonia are unable to swim in games, but... XD

I really don't have a problem with this.  It would explain some of the weirder superpowers they appear to have, and also how they are flawed down the timeline (Richter's corruption, specifically).  Some people really have a giant ball of a problem with it, and I don't really see why this is so.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: A-Yty on September 09, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
Got nothing against Leon. Sure, his hair was silly and he was pale and I would've preferred him to use his sword too, but he was still ok. LoI's story at least gives a personal reason for the Belmonts' crusade against vampires instead of just the usual "he/she's a Belmont. It's what Belmonts do". He was tried, he was tempted, but ultimately he chose to fight instead of succumbing like Mathias (or Gabriel).
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 09, 2011, 11:41:14 AM
Nice way to put it.

And I agree.

I think it was a great move to give a reason why the Belmonts fight Dracula.

And its a pretty damn good reason to.

Former best friend manipulates you and forces you to kill your soon to be wife and puts you through a ton of shit.

Now you have forever sworn that your family will hunt him and his minions down.

Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Vampire Killer on September 09, 2011, 01:55:48 PM
Hard to decide. Want to vote Gabe simply because of insane fighting prowess. Would rather give it to Trevor since I kick it oldschool.

As for Leon, he was certainly the more traditionally Belmont-like, but I disliked to origin story for the whip.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Kingshango on September 09, 2011, 02:16:33 PM
Im tied between Gabriel and Leon.

On one hand Gabriel has sheer power going for him and will viciously kill anything that's a threat, plus he can no sell fatal attacks that would normally kill Kratos. However he's such a depressed person (granted rightfully so) that it really doesn't fit a Belmonts character IMO, a Belmont should be strong and determind instead of emo and hopeless.
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Leon on the other hand is determind to save his loved one and while not as strong as Gabriel he can hold his own against the forces of darkness and he fit the bill of what a Belmont should be but the origins of the whip was kinda lame plus he had the nerve to ask "What is this?" when he got the whip of Alchemy IT'S A FRIGGIN WHIP EINSTEIN WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS!?
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Munchy on September 09, 2011, 03:22:53 PM
Chris, because he gives Dracula the smackdown twice. And he's an old fogey the second time around.

...Oh, he's not on the list.

I vote Trevor.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Chernabogue on September 10, 2011, 01:17:03 AM
The Sonia/Alucard stuff has always bothered me in the timeline. It's not a good point IMO.

I'd go with Gabe or Trevor.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Kale on September 10, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
I voted for Sonia... because I forgot Ralph = Trevor... I always liked Trevor better. But I'd like an alternate Sonia story than Leon...
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Koutei on September 10, 2011, 01:57:50 AM
Ralph=C=Belmondo, Akumajo Densetsu.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: Pemburu Vampir on September 10, 2011, 02:37:14 AM
I voted for Ralph Christopher Belmont.
Title: Re: Best Progenitor Belmont
Post by: JooohnShaft on September 14, 2011, 12:47:55 AM
leon is boss! i mean he can walk in the air while doing his air combo