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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: JooohnShaft on September 15, 2011, 06:38:06 AM
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You knew it was gonna happen...
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Actually, I didn't know at all. Why these two? Then again, why not?
I voted Bloody Tears. After all these years I still don't like Theme of Simon that much. It's catchy and all, but for me it's the weakest track in CV4. I mean, I LIKE it, but there are so many great tunes in that game... Theme of Simon falls short.
Oddly enough, I only recently started to REALLY like Bloody Tears too. Yeah, I'm weird. It's been used way too many times and none of the remixes can really beat the version in Simon's Quest. It's kinda awesome. But I honestly like Monster Dance even more.
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It's nigh impossible to just choose one, but if somebody was pointing a gun to my head, I would choose Da Theme. It has more variety and has not been overused. It's also really badass.
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Theme of Simon Belmont. I like Bloody Tears but I feel Simon's Theme has more power behind.
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Can't stand Bloody Tears in most of its reincarnation, so I'm all for Simon's theme.
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I voted bloody tears. Something about it's use in the chapel in rondo of blood that just gives me chills.
I don't really see why you would want to compare these two songs though, One is a chapel song and the other is an entrance theme. Then again bloody tears is kinda Simon's theme in CVII but that would mean you should have added VK to the poll as well since it's Simon's entrance theme in the first game.
Do a favorite entrance theme poll next! or maybe I'll do it later?
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Although I enjoy bloody Tears depending on the game it's featured, I chose Simon's theme. SCV4 was the first time the theme showed up and they made it epic with the final battle against Dracula. No other CV game to date has ever done it like SCV4 had.
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It's strange though, that the final battle in SCV4 is one of the most underwhelming in the history of Castlevania, yet at the same time it's SO epic. They really NAILED the atmosphere. Dracula himself is pretty damn uninteresting - he doesn't even transform! - but the battle is still perfect. I can't wrap my head around this enigma.
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Ive heard Bloody Tears too many times to really find it special anymore.
So Simon it is.
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@Alutwon: I'll make positively sure to make one. thx for request!
@shiverton: Yes, maybe it was the simple gameplay of the battle and the nostalgic value?
@every one else that voted for theme of Simon: yeah, i agree, Simon's theme was kick ass! though i still like bloody tears.
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Theme of Simon. Bloody Tears is overrated.
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A few years ago I would have voted for Bloody Tears. Nowadays though, that Castlevania 4 tune is just fantastic to me. They're both cool songs, but I loved hearing Theme of Simon at the last stage of Chronicles. It really caught me by surprise and felt really appropriate. Bloody Tears tends to show up in chapel levels, and just doesn't have that same OH MY GOD I'M SO CLOSE TO THE END feeling. Very well-played in Chronicles.
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A few years ago I would have voted for Bloody Tears. Nowadays though, that Castlevania 4 tune is just fantastic to me. They're both cool songs, but I loved hearing Theme of Simon at the last stage of Chronicles. It really caught me by surprise and felt really appropriate. Bloody Tears tends to show up in chapel levels, and just doesn't have that same OH MY GOD I'M SO CLOSE TO THE END feeling. Very well-played in Chronicles.
hahah yes I totally agree!
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Simons theme for me. Something about it for me just struck me as amazing and I always tend to come back to it, more than Bloody tears at least.
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I like them both a lot but I prefer Dance of the Holy Man/Theme of Simon Belmont. It's actually one of my favorite character themes, period.
It's been used way too many times and none of the remixes can really beat the version in Simon's Quest.
I feel the same way. I've yet to hear a remix of Bloody Tears that retained the almost eerie quality the original had. If I knew more about music structure and terminology I could put to words exactly what it is the original has that all of the remixes (both in the series and fan-made) I've heard lack because I KNOW it's actually a sound/structure thing but... >_>
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I feel the same way. I've yet to hear a remix of Bloody Tears that retained the almost eerie quality the original had. If I knew more about music structure and terminology I could put to words exactly what it is the original has that all of the remixes (both in the series and fan-made) I've heard lack because I KNOW it's actually a sound/structure thing but... >_>
This link has all of the versions:
Castlevania Music: BLOODY TEARS COLLECTION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshGL3nYpIQ#)
I can't express myself with music terminology either, but the NES version is just so darn catchy and epic. Maybe it has something to do with the drums, or the bass... dunno. The one in Super CV4 sounds downright melancholic and sad in comparision. It's beautiful, but something gets lost in the translation IMO.
As for the others I don't know what to say. They just don't give me the same feeling. The Bloodlines version is especially blah. Which is weird since the rest of the Bloodlines soundtrack is awesome. I also cannot stand the version in Akumajo Dracula X: Gekka no Yasoukyoku - Nocturne in the Moonlight.
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The one in Super CV4 sounds downright melancholic and sad in comparision.
This goes for pretty much everything in SCV4. It's so uniquely atmospheric that when I played it for the first time, it felt like playing the last Castlevania that's ever going to be made.
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Bloody Tears is used in:
-CV2 (original)
-Haunted Castle (very close to original)
-Bloodlines (essentially original, but instrumentation weakens it)
-Super CV4 (intro is changed, some chords are different)
-X68000-Rondo/DXX (Rock version, added a guitar riff)
-Rondo/DXX (added a n organ requiem at the end, thus establishing it as a chapel tune)
-Nocturne in the Moonlight (absolutely different!)
-Legends (Super PowerRock, very different chords)
-Dawn of Sorrow (with some slight chord changes, it's mostly the same as Rondo of Blood)
-CV64/LoD (just an organ riff, though in the crypt in the villa it uses very eerie chords)
-Judgment. (Very nice rock version)
...did I forget any?
Theme of Simon has been used in:
-Super CV4 (original, has four-note intro)
-X68000 (this version has the fanfare as its intro, plus brasses in the 2nd section)
-Bloodlines (similar to X68000, some slight chord changes)
-LoD (just a small fanfare when Henry rescues the children)
-Circle of the Moon (unused but in the game data, just a fanfare)
-Portrait of Ruin (similar to the MIDI power pro disc version)
...did I forget any others?
For both themes, I did not mention other disc versions.
EDIT: Fixed a little reverse I did, there. ;)
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The Dawn and Rondo versions sound pretty different to me. Only similarity is they use that organ sound in it, but the tone of the intro is different from usual. it sounds almost optimistic or holy or something. Cant quite express it.
The best version ive heard so far is the Rondo version. Although Dawn's comes in close second.
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I agree with Rondo having the best version of Bloody Tears. It's fresh enough without compromising the mood of the original. It's, however, a tad more "epic" and less like a theme of a desperate fight against time. But it suits the setting better.
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Rondo has the best Bloody Tears, but Super Castlevania has second best since MAP C is the intro to the song.
As for Simon's Quest... I thing HD and The Arcade has the best versions, HD has a Rock Orchestra Version that replicates the original while the Arcade has a more cut loose version.
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wow, so many votes for theme of simon! some great trivia here!
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This link has all of the versions:
Castlevania Music: BLOODY TEARS COLLECTION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshGL3nYpIQ#)
I can't express myself with music terminology either, but the NES version is just so darn catchy and epic. Maybe it has something to do with the drums, or the bass... dunno. The one in Super CV4 sounds downright melancholic and sad in comparision. It's beautiful, but something gets lost in the translation IMO.
As for the others I don't know what to say. They just don't give me the same feeling. The Bloodlines version is especially blah. Which is weird since the rest of the Bloodlines soundtrack is awesome. I also cannot stand the version in Akumajo Dracula X: Gekka no Yasoukyoku - Nocturne in the Moonlight.
Links by the same guy let us all take a look at versions of both we like/dislike
Castlevania Music: DANCE OF THE HOLY MAN (THEME OF SIMON BELMONT) COLLECTION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFjPjsQtpGo#)
Also
7 Deadly Bits covers Castlevania IV 'Theme of Simon' Guitar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm-erOna6o0#) Yes I voted for Simon's theme but it is odd how both songs related to him in some way.
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Simon's theme, hands down. It's probably my favorite song in the series.
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Bloody Tears is used in:
-CV2 (original)
-Haunted Castle (very close to original)
-Bloodlines (essentially original, but instrumentation weakens it)
-Super CV4 (intro is changed, some chords are different)
-X68000-Rondo/DXX (Rock version, added a guitar riff)
-Rondo/DXX (added a n organ requiem at the end, thus establishing it as a chapel tune)
-Nocturne in the Moonlight (absolutely different!)
-Legends (Super PowerRock, very different chords)
-Dawn of Sorrow (with some slight chord changes, it's mostly the same as Rondo of Blood)
-CV64/LoD (just an organ riff, though in the crypt in the villa it uses very eerie chords)
...did I forget any?
Theme of Simon has been used in:
-Super CV4 (original, has four-note intro)
-X68000 (this version has the fanfare as its intro, plus brasses in the 2nd section)
-Bloodlines (similar to X68000, some slight chord changes)
-LoD (just a small fanfare when Henry rescues the children)
-Circle of the Moon (unused but in the game data, just a fanfare)
-Portrait of Ruin (similar to the MIDI power pro disc version)
-Judgment. (Very nice rock version)
...did I forget any others?
For both themes, I did not mention other disc versions.
Actually, Bloody Tears was used in Judgment, but not Simon's Theme. It was Vampire Killer. ;)
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hey, fans of theme of Simon, listen up! check out king baldwin's version of t.o.s
it is BOSS!
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Argh, I had it backwards (it was Carmilla's theme).
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@Jorge: I thought something was wrong there, but anyways good list.
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I edited my post.
And yeah I did not mention fan versions, Konami disc arrangements, etc. 'cuz there are just too many out there.
Also, it's not "Dance of the Holy Man". Someone made that up about a fan version and it's bad because people can (and do) get it mixed up with Richter's Ending Theme from Rondo of Blood "March of the Holy Man" (an awesome ending tune, by the way).