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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Orlox on October 04, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
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I read the LoS story and I dont like it at all(dont have an Xbox). I always considered the vilain was Tepes, I never really dig in CV storyline but as they took Stocker's character I assumed he was Vlad 3 Basarab as the story evolve in Transilvania. Anyone else disapointed?
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LoS has a completely different story than other "traditional" CV games.
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This has been debated a thousand and one times. The real historical Vlad is not the same as Castlevania's Vlad. They share the same name, that's it.
Original Timeline Dracula: Born Matthias Cronqvist in the 11th century, becomes a vampire in rebellion against God for taking his wife & chooses the name Vlad Tepes Dracula.
Lords of Shadow Dracula: Bastard son from the Cronqvist family, he is adopted by the Brotherhood of Light & is named Gabriel after the archangel. He adopts the name Belmont because he likes mountains, rebels against God after feeling "betrayed" for serving Him, and calls himself Dracula.
Stoker was inspired by the real Vlad Tepes and called his character Dracula, but they too share just as many differences as they do similarities.
Only thing that disappoints me is the fact that they made a Belmont turn into Dracula.
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Only thing that disappoints me is the fact that they made a Belmont turn into Dracula.
It's not the only thing that dissapoints me, but it certainly one of them.
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man, this is the best Game adaptation of that Van Helsing movie... oh wait...
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I read the LoS story and I dont like it at all(dont have an Xbox). I always considered the vilain was Tepes, I never really dig in CV storyline but as they took Stocker's character I assumed he was Vlad 3 Basarab as the story evolve in Transilvania. Anyone else disapointed?
Just wanted to point out that Vlad II =/= Basarab.
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Oh look, its those two topics again.
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Stoker simply took the name "Dracula" for his character, that's it. He already had a name for him, but then he read a brief excerpt about Vlad the Implaler in a book, saw that the name Dracula means "Son of the Devil," and then he gave that name to his character. In order to make a tiny bit of historical accuracy, he wrote the one sentence in the novel about how he "must have been that Voivod who won his name against the Turk..." and that's where it ends.
That's all the connection there is, simple as that. Stoker just borrowed the name, nothing more.
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Stoker simply took the name "Dracula" for his character, that's it. He already had a name for him, but then he read a brief excerpt about Vlad the Implaler in a book, saw that the name Dracula means "Son of the Devil," and then he gave that name to his character. In order to make a tiny bit of historical accuracy, he wrote the one sentence in the novel about how he "must have been that Voivod who won his name against the Turk..." and that's where it ends.
That's all the connection there is, simple as that. Stoker just borrowed the name, nothing more.
actually more... On Stoker's end.
After a bit of Convenient Digging (aka a few special features on Dracula 1931) Stoker is the one Responsible for Linking Vlad III to the Vampire Legend.
In other words... He Made Dracula and all of his aspects.
Stoker's novel also put Vampires on the map (whilst they existed before, now they are recognized)
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Yeah, Stoker did a LOT for vampires. I forgot where I read, but the story of Dracula(Stoker's Dracula) has been made into over 200 different movies. And as I've been saying for a while, Stoker's Dracula is more "famous" than Vlad III himself. Almost EVERYBODY knows how "Count Dracula" is. Not many know as much about Vlad III the Impaler. Stoker's Dracula would be the inspiration for Graf Orlok(Nosferatu), and an early movie adaptation(starring Bela Lugosi as the title character) would give the world it's the most infamos depiction of Dracula, inspiring other fictional characters like Sesame Street's The Count, cereal's Count Chocula and personality Count Floyd, among many, MANY others. And at the root of it's base, Stoker's responsible for setting the cornerstone. As a kid, I knew who Count Dracula was before I even got the first Castlevania game. I knew who Count Dracula was, as did all my friends. It wasn't until years later did a lot of us learn than he was based on a REAL person. Believe me when I say this, when we found out, literally, the entire class(almost in unison) said, "He was REAL?!". Prior to that, Stoker's character, the movie depiction, Lugosi and Lee's depiction, they were and probably are STILL the standards of the name "Dracula". Yeah, it's odd, but to pop culture, the fictional character TOTALLY trumps Vlad III in sheer notoriety.
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I had produced a theory (a little of which is explained HERE (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,3465.msg67609.html#msg67609)) where I produced the idea that the Matthias/Vlad Dracula that WE all know from the Castlevania series may have taken over the life or stolen the life of the historical Vlad Tepes Dracul III and assumed his identity. If you look at the way the timelines of both the games and of the historical Vlad the Impaler's life, they can theoretically be plausible.
In fact, during a boredom streak I was reading even more about Vlad the Impaler's life, and found even more little interesting tidbits about his real life that could EASILY be used as plot for the Castlevania games and add weight to my theory.
So, if Konami really gave a flying fuck, someone who was story-writing suave could come in (raises hand) and easily add more story linking Matthias Cronqvist to how he became Vlad Tepes Dracula in a semi-believable manner. (or at least, more believable a manner than most of IGA's/Cox's story)
- Sindra: The Castlevania Storymonger
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would give the world it's the most infamos depiction of Dracula, inspiring other fictional characters like Sesame Street's The Count, cereal's Count Chocula
this made me lol
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/c20080918_dmedal_01_cs2w2_296x.jpg)
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110419172357/uncyclopedia/images/b/b4/Count-chocula.jpeg)
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Yes, Kamui's and Dragonslayr's posts hit on the point I was trying to make in my above post. Which was that nobody would ever associate the name "Dracula" with vampires if it weren't for Stoker. The name just fit the character, but he then made the historical parallel to give it some validity. Maybe it was fate, who knows, but the name was perfect for the character and all these years later people still associate "Dracula" with "Vampire." Had he chosen the name "Bob" or something it probably wouldnt've had the same effect :D
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I had produced a theory (a little of which is explained HERE (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,3465.msg67609.html#msg67609)) where I produced the idea that the Matthias/Vlad Dracula that WE all know from the Castlevania series may have taken over the life or stolen the life of the historical Vlad Tepes Dracul III and assumed his identity. If you look at the way the timelines of both the games and of the historical Vlad the Impaler's life, they can theoretically be plausible.
In fact, during a boredom streak I was reading even more about Vlad the Impaler's life, and found even more little interesting tidbits about his real life that could EASILY be used as plot for the Castlevania games and add weight to my theory.
So, if Konami really gave a flying fuck, someone who was story-writing suave could come in (raises hand) and easily add more story linking Matthias Cronqvist to how he became Vlad Tepes Dracula in a semi-believable manner. (or at least, more believable a manner than most of IGA's/Cox's story)
- Sindra: The Castlevania Storymonger
I'm actually pretty content with CV's explaination the way it is. I've never been tender over the whole "not incorporating the historical facts behind Dracula into fiction", especially the CV series. Most of the adapatations of Dracula, which based on Stoker's book, are re-imagined to some extent. Whether they change the origin of Dracula, it never bothered be. Like I said, to me, the importance of Dracula(the infamous vampire) himself outweighs that of Vlad III(and his historical accuracies). Besides, I actually don't mind considering how these are works of fantasy. I've never been a stickler for historical accuracy.
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I had produced a theory (a little of which is explained HERE (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,3465.msg67609.html#msg67609)) where I produced the idea that the Matthias/Vlad Dracula that WE all know from the Castlevania series may have taken over the life or stolen the life of the historical Vlad Tepes Dracul III and assumed his identity. If you look at the way the timelines of both the games and of the historical Vlad the Impaler's life, they can theoretically be plausible.
I mentioned the same possibility to my sister a while back when I was playing one of the Castlevania games... probably Lament of Innocence. I always thought that was what Lament of Innocence's ending kind of implied.
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I'm actually pretty content with CV's explaination the way it is. I've never been tender over the whole "not incorporating the historical facts behind Dracula into fiction", especially the CV series. Most of the adapatations of Dracula, which based on Stoker's book, are re-imagined to some extent. Whether they change the origin of Dracula, it never bothered be. Like I said, to me, the importance of Dracula(the infamous vampire) himself outweighs that of Vlad III(and his historical accuracies). Besides, I actually don't mind considering how these are works of fantasy. I've never been a stickler for historical accuracy.
Like alot of parts of different fandoms, you got the people who like story and people who don't care so long as the game is good. I've had an incredibly active imagination since I was a young kid, and adding onto stories that were already partially established helped me develop a taste for far-reaching and elaborate stories that had depth to them. Being a video game addict, this just transferred into the realm of gaming, and I liked thinking about the whole "What If" theoreticals.
To each their own. I'm just saying that it COULD be developed more.
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I'd rather see a game that has CV's original Dracula kill off Mathias and show that prettyboy wannabe who the real bad@$$ in CV is.
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Yeah, Stoker did a LOT for vampires. I forgot where I read, but the story of Dracula(Stoker's Dracula) has been made into over 200 different movies. And as I've been saying for a while, Stoker's Dracula is more "famous" than Vlad III himself. Almost EVERYBODY knows how "Count Dracula" is. Not many know as much about Vlad III the Impaler. Stoker's Dracula would be the inspiration for Graf Orlok(Nosferatu), and an early movie adaptation(starring Bela Lugosi as the title character) would give the world it's the most infamos depiction of Dracula, inspiring other fictional characters like Sesame Street's The Count, cereal's Count Chocula and personality Count Floyd, among many, MANY others. And at the root of it's base, Stoker's responsible for setting the cornerstone. As a kid, I knew who Count Dracula was before I even got the first Castlevania game. I knew who Count Dracula was, as did all my friends. It wasn't until years later did a lot of us learn than he was based on a REAL person. Believe me when I say this, when we found out, literally, the entire class(almost in unison) said, "He was REAL?!". Prior to that, Stoker's character, the movie depiction, Lugosi and Lee's depiction, they were and probably are STILL the standards of the name "Dracula". Yeah, it's odd, but to pop culture, the fictional character TOTALLY trumps Vlad III in sheer notoriety.
I remember the day I found out that Dracula was based on a real person. It was the day they first aired the episode of G.I.Joe where Dr.Mindbender was gathering DNA to base Serpentor on. I think it was Leatherhead that explained to ...Roadblock? that the reason that they got stuck guarding in old castle in Transylvania was because it housed the crypt of Vlad Tepes, Dracula. I remember how blown away I was by that. ^___^
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I remember the day I found out that Dracula was based on a real person. It was the day they first aired the episode of G.I.Joe where Dr.Mindbender was gathering DNA to base Serpentor on. I think it was Leatherhead that explained to ...Roadblock? that the reason that they got stuck guarding in old castle in Transylvania was because it housed the crypt of Vlad Tepes, Dracula. I remember how blown away I was by that. ^___^
S**t! I don't recall that at all! I have to watch that episode again. Damn, how could I forget that!?
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I remember the day I found out that Dracula was based on a real person. It was the day they first aired the episode of G.I.Joe where Dr.Mindbender was gathering DNA to base Serpentor on. I think it was Leatherhead that explained to ...Roadblock? that the reason that they got stuck guarding in old castle in Transylvania was because it housed the crypt of Vlad Tepes, Dracula. I remember how blown away I was by that. ^___^
It's really one of those rare accounts that fiction and mythology trumps reality. Same could be said of King Arthur. For however interesting the real man's life was, it would never come close to being as infamous as the mythical tales of the Sword in the Stone, Lady of the Lake and all the other cool widely known mythology associated with the name. The myth is BIGGER than the actual man. That's what Stoker did for Dracula.
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Like alot of parts of different fandoms, you got the people who like story and people who don't care so long as the game is good.
There are also people who likes the story of the game for what it is, and don't pretend there is tonnes of hidden depth. :)
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Yes, I'm able to accept CV's story the way it is for what it is, just like I'm able to accept Dracula being Judas in Dracula 2000 or being some ancient pre-Roman monster in Blade Trinity.
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I'd rather see a game that has CV's original Dracula kill off Mathias and show that prettyboy wannabe who the real bad@$$ in CV is.
The original CV Dracula is Mathias. Deal with it.
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I was reading a bio of Vlad III and noticed something interesting.
Matthias Corvinus was the King of Hungary/Croatia and he was buddies with Vlad III until Vlad pissed him off and Corvinus had him imprisoned in Buda. Corvinus later released him and Vlad III married Corvinus' cousin.
Corvinus' fiance who died (I don't know the cause) was Elizabeth of Cilli.
Sooooo... one could speculate that in the Castlevania-verse Matthias Corvinus *coughCronqvistcough* and Vlad III actually SWITCHED PLACES.
Edit: Oh, looks like I wasn't the first one to notice this. It's mentioned in the trivia section of Cronqvist's Wiki page. Now I don't feel as crazy. >_>
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The original CV Dracula is Mathias. Deal with it.
Indeed....
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The original CV Dracula is Mathias. Deal with it.
Indeed....
Yep. Just like I remember high school. Ganged up on.
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I was reading a bio of Vlad III and noticed something interesting.
Matthias Corvinus was the King of Hungary/Croatia and he was buddies with Vlad III until Vlad pissed him off and Corvinus had him imprisoned in Buda. Corvinus later released him and Vlad III married Corvinus' cousin.
Corvinus' fiance who died (I don't know the cause) was Elizabeth of Cilli.
Sooooo... one could speculate that in the Castlevania-verse Matthias Corvinus *coughCronqvistcough* and Vlad III actually SWITCHED PLACES.
Edit: Oh, looks like I wasn't the first one to notice this. It's mentioned in the trivia section of Cronqvist's Wiki page. Now I don't feel as crazy. >_>
Now that would make for an interesting plot for a CV game.