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Title: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Behest on November 05, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
hello everyone,

     I'm in the middle of remaking CV3 8-bit. please check it out on youtube. under castlevania 3 remake or under CV2 remake and you ll see my videos there too. there are three of them. please leave your comments good and bad opinions are your right. since its a fan game leave some ideas if you like. thanks everyone.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on November 05, 2011, 05:30:19 PM
hello everyone,

     I'm in the middle of remaking CV3 8-bit. please check it out on youtube. under castlevania 3 remake or under CV2 remake and you ll see my videos there too. there are three of them. please leave your comments good and bad opinions are your right. since its a fan game leave some ideas if you like. thanks everyone.

CV3 for NES is already 8-bit...
If you search for CV3 remake, there's one by kasilbrazil03.  Are you that person?
'cuz the other stuff is my remake.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: thernz on November 05, 2011, 06:08:02 PM
No, it's this (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBehest). And everything is wonderful and I love it.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on November 05, 2011, 06:11:06 PM
Ah, so an Akumajo Densetsu ROM Hack, then?
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: TheouAegis on November 05, 2011, 06:18:35 PM
Why are so many torches misaligned and tiles non-existent?

The backgrounds are nicely done though. If you made them yourself, I'd love to have you work on my own game if I ever get to that point.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on November 05, 2011, 06:19:49 PM
My guess is that there's a level editor being used to work on this hack and the candle placements are being difficult to work with.
Or it's just an alpha.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: TheouAegis on November 05, 2011, 06:24:06 PM
Yeah I know ReVamp has some issues with aligning enemies and torches. It doesn't let you make new ones, just lets you edit the old placements. That's what I figured, too.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Behest on November 05, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
hey guys thanks for your responces!

   well whats happening is  i ha vent gotten around to setting the torches and all the tiles yet. but as of now I'm working on the levels and BG graphics. and yes i made them myself. thanks for considering me.

  and yes CV3 is an 8 bit game. what i meant to say was I'm recreating the 8 bit classic and no way am i out to steal anyones credit. but about the misplaced candles and what not revamp is a fair programme when it comes to that. where i can not place an tour ch or candle i place else where making up for the lack there of. and please everyone rest assured this game will be done. that's a promise. please leave comments on youtube as well. thanks guys and thanks for your support. ill stay in touch.
                                                             at thy behest.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Esco on November 06, 2011, 12:43:07 AM
Coming from a guy who hacked a 32 bit game for several years; forget a hack, and just program it from scratch in game maker. It will be much quicker, much easier, teach you more, and give you much more control.

But it's your decision. I honestly have no interest in 8 bit remakes anymore; with all the technology we have I see no point in it. I still wish you luck either way regardless. :)
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: X on November 06, 2011, 02:04:52 AM
I'll definitely try this one once it's all ironed out! Love the graphics dude!
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 06, 2011, 02:22:24 AM
Very impressive work here my friend!!! I will totally try it out, when it's done!!!
I honestly have no interest in 8 bit remakes anymore; with all the technology we have I see no point in it. I still wish you luck either way regardless. :)

Shiny graphics might look nice, but as a retro gamer, i would like to say that still i prefer some games in 8bit/16bit than 3D. I'm looking at your work Esco, since you started it and i'n impressed how far you have gone!!! Anyway, i'm wishing best luck to both of you guys!!!  :)
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: BingleGod on November 06, 2011, 01:24:40 PM
Almost all of the graphic resources in this have been stolen from Optomon's and Thaddeus' to-be-released Simon's Quest revamp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZWLp31Rvto#).
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: darkmanx_429 on November 06, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
The background and main character sprites are nice!
Almost all of the graphic resources in this have been stolen from Optomon's and Thaddeus' to-be-released Simon's Quest revamp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZWLp31Rvto#).
What?! If you read his post on his youtube site he gave credit to Thaddeus.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Behest on November 06, 2011, 02:48:39 PM
Almost all of the graphic resources in this have been stolen from Optomon's and Thaddeus' to-be-released Simon's Quest revamp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZWLp31Rvto#).


          I find the word stolen to be very powerful and untrue. The graphs represented in my game are all made from scratch, not stolen. If you put both videos side by side you ll see there not exact replicas. The re son for them looking similar is because, looking at optomons and thadds work... i saw how much potential 8 bit graphics had. it was almost like learning from them, and there work inspired me to do this project, and so i paid homage to them buy making the first board ( the forest) based on there forest scenery, and for artistic reason to make it look like the same world. Furthermore Optomon himself seen my work and knows what I'm doing. Therefore none if this was ripped or stolen.  Thank you for having a look at my project. Ill be in touch...

                                                                          at thy behest.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Behest on November 06, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
OK then!

    I have another video up thats not related to the project im doing but another CV3 hack of the 1st stage its the same game with better graphics and metal sound track. i did this for fun. enjoy! ill stay in touch ...

                                                                  at thy behest.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on November 06, 2011, 06:08:58 PM
Keep us posted on new developments. :)
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Jago on November 06, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Lookin' good! Can't wait to play it.   :D
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: TheouAegis on November 07, 2011, 09:35:41 AM
I thought they may have been borrowed from some fan game, and I thought about that CV2 remake right off the bat, but even I could tell they were different. I remember thinking like everyone else his forest stages were awesome looking, with excellent use of black. In your case, I was thinking excellent use of blue. Yours seemed more colorful. I was almost trying to find faults in the coloring, trying to think things like, "This must be in a game maker because he has too many colors," but I realized (from the torches and zombies falling from the air) that you were using ReVamp and I knew the palettes were all legit. That's what really got me. I was like, "This game is true to form and looks so gorgeous!"

Remember some things with ReVamp:

You have about 4 pages of torch placements to work with (the scrollbar under the various item drops). Enemies are much more limited. There are 99 or so enemy slots. Each slot has a predefined field of placement. These are shared across all maps (I think). This is the hardest part.

Bone Pillars have their direction predefined and it's very easy to work with. The ReVamp help file says he doesn't know how it works, but it's not rocket science. Every odd-numbered TSA column makes the Bone Pillar face one direction (right on the bottom I think) and every even-numbered TSA column makes the Bone Pillar face the other direction (so right on the bottom, if I was right the first time). So a Bone Pillar with its x-origin between 0 and 31 will face the same way as a Bone Pillar with x-origin between 64 and 95. Likewise, a Bone Pillar with x-origin between 32 and 63 will face the opposite direction as the former two, but the same direction as one with x-origin between 96 and 127.

One of the Medusa Head controllers makes them fly from behind or the left, the other makes them fly from whatever direction Trevor is facing.

All controllers are active when their center point (their origin) is in view. Three controllers in view should create three enemies at a time (never more than 3 of the same type, though).

Messing with active sprites can be fun. Setting the wrong sprites for the Bone Pillars can make, for example, Zombie Pillars. Test them out. :D

Although the Cathedral, for example, is in the same TSA sheet as the ruined town, and even though the ruined town has two distinct sets in the same TSA sheet, only the same sets should be shown on either side of a door. The area at the beginning and the one room with the two skeletons share the same TSA as the room above the cathedral, but the cathedral uses different TSAs, hence it's connected by stairs. And then the hall after the bone-tossing skeletons with the Medusa Heads uses a different TSA set (but still in the same sheet), so it's connected by stairs too.

But I'm with Esco. Eventually you should learn to make a game in C++, Game Maker or Media Fusion or whatever it's called. Then you can put your creativity to better use. Make boss fights even more epic. Make the Skull Knight a sub-boss instead of a stage boss, for example.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Behest on November 07, 2011, 01:29:27 PM
I thought they may have been borrowed from some fan game, and I thought about that CV2 remake right off the bat, but even I could tell they were different. I remember thinking like everyone else his forest stages were awesome looking, with excellent use of black. In your case, I was thinking excellent use of blue. Yours seemed more colorful. I was almost trying to find faults in the coloring, trying to think things like, "This must be in a game maker because he has too many colors," but I realized (from the torches and zombies falling from the air) that you were using ReVamp and I knew the palettes were all legit. That's what really got me. I was like, "This game is true to form and looks so gorgeous!"

Remember some things with ReVamp:

You have about 4 pages of torch placements to work with (the scrollbar under the various item drops). Enemies are much more limited. There are 99 or so enemy slots. Each slot has a predefined field of placement. These are shared across all maps (I think). This is the hardest part.

Bone Pillars have their direction predefined and it's very easy to work with. The ReVamp help file says he doesn't know how it works, but it's not rocket science. Every odd-numbered TSA column makes the Bone Pillar face one direction (right on the bottom I think) and every even-numbered TSA column makes the Bone Pillar face the other direction (so right on the bottom, if I was right the first time). So a Bone Pillar with its x-origin between 0 and 31 will face the same way as a Bone Pillar with x-origin between 64 and 95. Likewise, a Bone Pillar with x-origin between 32 and 63 will face the opposite direction as the former two, but the same direction as one with x-origin between 96 and 127.

One of the Medusa Head controllers makes them fly from behind or the left, the other makes them fly from whatever direction Trevor is facing.

All controllers are active when their center point (their origin) is in view. Three controllers in view should create three enemies at a time (never more than 3 of the same type, though).

Messing with active sprites can be fun. Setting the wrong sprites for the Bone Pillars can make, for example, Zombie Pillars. Test them out. :D

Although the Cathedral, for example, is in the same TSA sheet as the ruined town, and even though the ruined town has two distinct sets in the same TSA sheet, only the same sets should be shown on either side of a door. The area at the beginning and the one room with the two skeletons share the same TSA as the room above the cathedral, but the cathedral uses different TSAs, hence it's connected by stairs. And then the hall after the bone-tossing skeletons with the Medusa Heads uses a different TSA set (but still in the same sheet), so it's connected by stairs too.

But I'm with Esco. Eventually you should learn to make a game in C++, Game Maker or Media Fusion or whatever it's called. Then you can put your creativity to better use. Make boss fights even more epic. Make the Skull Knight a sub-boss instead of a stage boss, for example.



      RIGHT ON MAN!

                   Thanks for your input. I do have a basic understanding of how enemy place ment works but you made it alittle more comprehenciv. as for the TSA and needing to be the same behind both doors, that i do understand completely. My only problem with that is the way i make my graphics is like a painting, and it takes alot of my tsa sheet so sometimes i use a TSA sheet (like the cathedral) and sacrifice it for the sake of level design. witch creates the jumbled shit you see when passing through a door. So its like a compremise for the sake of diversity of a board.

    I also hear Esco loud and clear i have gamemaker pro 7. I might have to use it to fix some of the above mentioned problems. im haveing a hard time trying to comprehend it, cause i dont know what all the terminology is. im learning it along the way. also my prayer entro is ate up. and i cant map it out on revamp. Thank you for your complement on the colors. I try to use all the color slots to their max, and for you to think i used gamemaker to make it look the way it does is an awsome complement. you guys seem to know your shit really well... im a noob at this stuff. ill stay in touch...

                                                               at thy Behest.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Jago on November 08, 2011, 02:35:11 PM
I believe someone is working on a NES style CV engine in Game Maker too. Maybe you could use that to help you and to help you learn more about Game Maker, I think it would be a big help to you.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: TheouAegis on November 08, 2011, 08:56:06 PM
I believe someone is working on a NES style CV engine in Game Maker too. Maybe you could use that to help you and to help you learn more about Game Maker, I think it would be a big help to you.

*clears throat*

It would be a great learning tool if I actually commented out everything I did. Only Jorge, Inccubus and I think Esco ever really saw the commented version. Actually, dunno if Esco ever saw it or if he just took whatever Inccubus threw at him.

It's certainly a great learning tool for me, seeing as how so far by version 0.4alpha, I've recoded some things four or five times over. I'm not going to say I'm the guy that found a bunch of bugs in GameMaker - there have been others before me that have noticed peculiar bugs, but I think it's safe to say I've done more for the bounding box bug than probably anyone else in GM's history.

My code is very messy, so it'd actually be pretty difficult to learn from. It does have some nifty little features that I had developed over the months or year or however long it's been since I started on it. I know Inccubus and Esco like the block tiler script I created and have since revived two or three times over (small revision again in v0.4a). The stair "script" (wasn't really a script, but a series of messy code) I made was the main reason I even started up on it. I was sick of all the "jump onto stairs" or "ramp stairs" games that were out there, so I made what I felt would be good stairs close to the NES style. My first attempt failed miserably due to too many bugs, but my revision worked out and when I downloaded ReVamp and played around with it, I realized my stairs were pretty close to the originals.

My engine tries to stay close to the source, but I take a liberty here or there (called "rounding off") and it is super, super messy in terms of handling jumps and falling (I have this nagging suspicion that the NES games used some sort of gravity that I haven't worked out). I have ADHD though, so it's taking me a while to progress. Currently I'm working on implementing breakable walls while utilizing my block tiling script. I'm sure you all can understand how difficult it is for someone with ADHD (at least I think I have it, even though I don't believe in it) to program frame-by-frame, meaning I record gameplay of Dracula's Curse to an AVI and then analyze the video one frame at a time.
Title: Re: castlevania 3 remake 8-bit
Post by: Behest on February 09, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
Greetings people,

                     IM still working on  castlevania 3 8 bit remake. check it out on youtube for those who do not know. ill have new videos up really soon so keep checking back. im sorry for not responding sooner. im also working on a musical project. so... YES this project is still in working progress... dont fret.


                      ill be in touch at thy behest.