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Title: MGS Rising
Post by: Neobelmont on December 12, 2011, 02:36:30 AM
Look what I found.


VGA 2011: Metal Gear Solid: Rising Exclusive Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SNo8h-KfAU#ws)
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: cecil-kain on December 12, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
So much for Tactical Espionage Action...  This is looking very nice.  8)
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: A-Yty on December 12, 2011, 03:14:03 PM
Would someone mind adding a huge, wet fart to the end of that video? It would fit well with that game looking like a really big turd and with Flynn trying to sound like Two-Face. Hell, he even says it's "time for Jack to let it rip"  :)
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: X on December 12, 2011, 03:59:48 PM
This game has an entirely different feel from the others. I didn't think I'd see the Gekkos or Metal Gear Ray in there either. In fact this almost looks like it could be a Ninja Gaiden title. I also noticed that Kojima dumped the 'Solid' part in the title so now it's just MetalGearRising. This is probably intentional as Solid Snake isn't anywhere in there. Be it for better or worse, I'll pick up this title once it comes out. and yeah that 'let'er rip' part was kinda funny  :)
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 12, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
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Would someone mind adding a huge, wet fart to the end of that video? It would fit well with that game looking like a really big turd and with Flynn trying to sound like Two-Face. Hell, he even says it's "time for Jack to let it rip"
I wonder, why so much negativity?

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So much for Tactical Espionage Action...  This is looking very nice. 
Rising never was supposed to be TEA. Even the first version.
It always was called Lightning Bolt Action.

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I didn't think I'd see the Gekkos or Metal Gear Ray in there either.
I was much more surprised to see Vamp...alive...again.

Some information about reboot / recreation of the game:
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Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: A-Yty on December 12, 2011, 04:27:24 PM
I wonder, why so much negativity?

Looks and sounds silly. All of a sudden Raiden thinks his terrible child soldier monster killer pet name is something to be proud of (or at least something to casually joke about). He throws cheesy oneliners. The action looks very un-Metal Gear yet it still has the series name on it. Just not my cup of tea, it seems.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: A-Yty on December 12, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Not my cup of TEA. Heh heh.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 12, 2011, 04:51:59 PM
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Looks and sounds silly. All of a sudden Raiden thinks his terrible child soldier monster killer pet name is something to be proud of (or at least something to casually joke about). He throws cheesy oneliners.
OK, somewhat agree with that. But genre-shift demands it's sacrifices. And playing as a straightfaced hero, who mostly acts like he is mute would be boring in the game that build upon idea of over the top action. Not much of the tragedy.

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The action looks very un-Metal Gear yet it still has the series name on it.
Gee...Where have benn back, when MGS4 debuted? And MGS remake. Well you could not count remake as a part of the series, if you want. But MGS4 had the same over the top action, when it came to the Raiden vs...basically anything scenes. And Raiden managed to stop Outer Haven ship, while being wounded in that game. Everything that was shown in that trailer is a mere a child play comparing to that.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: A-Yty on December 12, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
I don't care about that genre when it comes to MGS, so I don't see why I should care about the "sacrifices" this silliness demands.

Raiden reached a level of badass in MGS4, but now it seems he was too much of a badass so they want to make him into a generic cybernetic hackityslash figure.

Doesn't matter to me much, though. I largely stopped paying attention after watching MGS4 played through. The story is over. Snake is dead and Raiden was supposed to follow Guile's advice (but I guess he got enough of Rose's nagging and figured the only way he can escape that is to become a killing machine again). So whatever.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Rugal on December 12, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
We have a ninja in every MGS game, now we get to play as one. It wouldn't make sense for Raiden to be sneaking around anymore.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Neobelmont on December 12, 2011, 10:35:57 PM
I wonder, why so much negativity?
Rising never was supposed to be TEA. Even the first version.
It always was called Lightning Bolt Action.
I was much more surprised to see Vamp...alive...again.

Some information about reboot / recreation of the game:
(click to show/hide)

That spoiler what I am thinking is that while I will buy this on day one, but this could have been a reboot of nanobreaker. That is the feeling I get off of this.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Munchy on December 12, 2011, 11:59:02 PM
As usual, Metal Gear gets the prime candidate for outsourcing while all other series must be sent to The Poop Company of Yugoslavia.

Why isn't Platinum working on Castlevania, Konami? Or a new Getsufuu Maden?
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: JR on December 13, 2011, 12:39:36 AM
While I've grown a bit tired of the Metal Gear series in general, I've always had enough of an interest to see what happens next. But this...this looks kind of derivative, and just uninteresting to me. This will be the first time on a while that I won't pre-order a Metal Gear game. I may not even buy it at all, who knows.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 13, 2011, 01:29:08 AM
Alot of hardcore Metal Gear fans are hating this.

And I can kinda see where they are coming from.

Just by looking at it you can tell its definitely not the same old Metal Gear people are used to.

Its on a whole different level.

And I LOVE IT!

As a fan of over the top action games like Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden I must say I'm loving the way this game is looking. DEFINITELY going to be getting into the game once it arrives.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Kingshango on December 13, 2011, 01:54:01 AM
Im hyped for it even though the tailer looked rough around the edges but im sure Platinum will fix all that by the time E3 rolls around.

Plus I love me some Platinum.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Gecko on December 13, 2011, 12:16:07 PM

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WHAT?! I thought that the whole point of the game was supposed to be the story of what happened in the lost years between 2 and 4 with Raiden. At the end of 2, Raiden's all depressed and confused, but when he shows up in 4, he's an amazing badass with a personal mission. Identity achieved, and all that, then at the end he gets to live a relatively normal life with a family. It was touching, and full of closure.

So.... WHY THE HELL IS HE GOING NINJA AFTER 4, AND NOT BEFORE?! Ugh...

Yeah, I'll still play it.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: KaZudra on December 13, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
Request to update topic name:
Metal Gear Rising: Revengance
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: thernz on December 13, 2011, 06:38:48 PM
The best thing about the trailer was the font.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: crisis on December 13, 2011, 07:21:03 PM
'Revengeance' is such a clever title for a work of fiction.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Neobelmont on December 13, 2011, 08:45:27 PM
Request to update topic name:
Metal Gear Rising: Revengance

Could do that but I do not know how.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: JR on December 13, 2011, 10:25:53 PM
'Revengeance' is such a clever title for a work of fiction.

It made me laugh too, especially since it was used on Metalocalypse. It was funny seeing it used in a non-joking way this time.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Kingshango on December 14, 2011, 01:01:18 AM
25 minute long interview about the development of Rising(and some new gameplay near the end)

INTERVIEW : The Truth Behind RISING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV1BMUg4NsA#ws)
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Super Waffle on December 15, 2011, 01:40:33 AM
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WE HAD A GOOD STORY AND CHARACTERS, WE JUST NEEDED TO FIX THE GAME DESIGN

WE HAD A GOOD STORY AND CHARACTERS, WE JUST NEEDED TO FIX THE GAME DESIGN

WE HAD A GOOD STORY AND CHARACTERS, WE JUST NEEDED TO FIX THE GAME DESIGN

WHEN PLATINUM GAMES CAME UP WITH A NEW DESIGN, WE DECIDED TO COMBINE THE CHARACTERS AND PLOT WE ALREADY HAD WITH THEIR GAMEPLAY ENGINE

THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY TOTALLY TRASHED OUR ORIGINAL STORY AND RETCONNED IT INTO A MGS4 SEQUEL

Kojima you wacko.

btw I've already seen people (rightfully) criticizing the change since it craps all over MGS4's ending with Raiden regaining his humanity.
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Yeah, how dare we let that guy find some fraction of peace and closure in his life after he figuratively killed himself to protect the human race.
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I just don't get how that pseudo-documentary video was all WRITING WRITING WRITING WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD WRITING; THE GAME ENGINE JUST NEEDED TO BE TWEAKED, and then they inexplicably threw months of writing out the window along with the old engine.

Those are my thoughts on that video.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: A-Yty on December 15, 2011, 09:09:10 PM
That documentary is kind of funny. Such a serious thing about TEH TRUTH. And the game hasn't even been released yet. Maybe Kojima is feeling like the whole thing should have been cancelled.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Arma on December 18, 2011, 09:25:36 PM
yesterday I tried MGS 3 and by the time all the dialogues ended and I had to actually play I didn't want to anymore, same happened when I tried the first one. I'm sure the Metal Gear series is great I just... well it's not my style, way too much talking even just to save the game the characters started talking about Godzilla, I don't care about giant lizards I just wanna play the fucking game without being interrupted every 5 minutes you know lol.

However MGS Rising seems to be different, perhaps I can play this one. I'm looking foward to this game. 
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 19, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
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yesterday I tried MGS 3 and by the time all the dialogues ended and I had to actually play I didn't want to anymore, same happened when I tried the first one
That's exactly that made me want to play the game - ephasis on storyline and dialogues. MGS2 was the first game where I stumbled upon such storytelling in the videogame. And to this day it still one of the brightest game experiences that I ever had.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: X on December 20, 2011, 03:52:51 PM
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That's exactly that made me want to play the game - ephasis on storyline and dialogues. MGS2 was the first game where I stumbled upon such storytelling in the videogame. And to this day it still one of the brightest game experiences that I ever had.

You should also get your hands on the Gamecube title Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes. It does what the later games do in terms of story-telling. There's much more there then in the original PSX MGS.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 20, 2011, 05:39:46 PM
I don't have GameCube and not planing to acquire one in the future. As of now my PC is to weak for the GC emulation, so playing it is completely out of question.

From what I seen of this game (mostly cutscenes) it's really much better in presentation and voice acting than original MGS (of course die hard fans of the series will disagree with that), save for a few Matrix-like moments. Death of the Gray Fox and practically every major episode with Liquid Snake especially impressed me.
I played original MGS on PC, but it lacked proper articulate models with faces. Usually I'm not the one to complain about graphics, but since MGS is basically like a movie, I'd prefer to see it characters to be rendered as close to the human actors as possible. And it's really hard to take anything seriously, when characters doesn't have faces and have articulation of the  wooden manequines.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Munchy on December 21, 2011, 12:03:45 AM
Get Platinum working on Castlevania Konami! Hideki Kamiya said he'd like to do it!
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 21, 2011, 12:17:59 AM
Get Platinum working on Castlevania Konami! Hideki Kamiya said he'd like to do it!

GREAT idea!

DMC1 was a better castlevania game than CVLOI and CVCOD anyway IMO.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: VladCT on December 21, 2011, 12:22:30 AM
GREAT idea!

DMC1 was a better castlevania game than CVLOI and CVCOD anyway IMO.
So long as it's not divided in missions, I'm in.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: X on December 21, 2011, 02:58:36 AM
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I don't have GameCube and not planing to acquire one in the future. As of now my PC is to weak for the GC emulation, so playing it is completely out of question.

you don't need a gamecube system to play a gamecube game. If you have the Wii, it'll do the job just fine.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 21, 2011, 04:55:24 PM
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you don't need a gamecube system to play a gamecube game. If you have the Wii, it'll do the job just fine.
And I don't intend to buy Wii either.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 21, 2011, 04:58:18 PM
And I don't intend to buy Wii either.

Do you hate nintendo or something?

Just curious.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 22, 2011, 06:53:09 PM
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Do you hate nintendo or something?
LOL.
I wonder why did you made such conclusion?
Actually Nintendo is my favorite game company.

No, I just not very rich and I don't see any neccessity to buy game console for one-two games. I do care only about several series and I don't care about most of the modern games like God of War, Uncharted and the like - they just don't appeal to me.
Besides I already have PS3, so it will be my console priority for now.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 22, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
LOL.
I wonder why did you made such conclusion?
Actually Nintendo is my favorite game company.

No, I just not very rich and I don't see any neccessity to buy game console for one-two games. I do care only about several series and I don't care about most of the modern games like God of War, Uncharted and the like - they just don't appeal to me.
Besides I already have PS3, so it will be my console priority for now.

Not sure whats so funny.

And the reason I asked is obvious.

You seem pretty darn reluctant to buy a nintendo console so my question was not without purpose.

And what does being rich have to do with anything?

Someone ask you earlier to buy a gamecube and you turned the notion down.

A GAMECUBE!

Those things cost about 20 bucks now lol.

Definitely not a wallet breaker by any means.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 24, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
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Not sure whats so funny. And the reason I asked is obvious.
Nope.
It was funny because I never implied that I dislike Nintendo. You just made wrong assumption, based on zero evidence.

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And what does being rich have to do with anything? Someone ask you earlier to buy a gamecube and you turned the notion down.
A GAMECUBE!
Those things cost about 20 bucks now lol. Definitely not a wallet breaker by any means.
You do forget that things tends to vary in the costs, depending on location.
I live in the country, where GameCube was the least available / popular console on the market. Also, we have unfair practice here, that make game consoles cost more, than usual.
So for me it would be useless purchase. That's aside from the fact that I don't want to buy out of date and rare console for just one, single game.
I prefer make purchases depending on "neccesity" and "usefullness" and GameCube has absolutely none of this for me. I hope this concept will be easy for you to understand.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on December 24, 2011, 04:17:48 PM
zero evidence?

I thought I made it pretty clear with the fact that you seemed pretty darn reluctant to buy a nintendo console.

Perhaps you simply did not understand.

Whatever,

The conversation went no where fast.

Forget about it.
Title: Re: MGS Rising
Post by: Sumac on December 24, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
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I thought I made it pretty clear with the fact that you seemed pretty darn reluctant to buy a nintendo console. Perhaps you simply did not understand.
I did understand, but there is simple fact that I don't need any of this consoles. I would say the same, if we talked about X-Box or Dreamcast.