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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Mathias Hyperion on December 09, 2007, 09:11:22 PM
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Poll doesn't include things such as the original Famicom Disk version of Castlevania and the original Sharp X68000 version of Chronicles, as from what I know they're basically the same games as their corresponding entries in the poll.
I'm by no means an expert on this, but you guys have played a lot more games than I have.
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SCVIV=best.
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My favorite of those is Super Castlevania IV, although the original NES Castlevania and the Sharp X86000/Chronicles version are both classics in their own right. I consider Super Castlevania IV to have the best graphics, best gameplay and physics, and the best difficulty curve. The game is rather long, but consistently enjoyable, and it's got a very well composed, atmospheric soundtrack to compilment the gothic visual presentation.
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The original NES Castlevania gets my vote!
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The original NES Castlevania gets my vote!
Agreed, nothing beats the classics.
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The orginal is my fav i like the reto style although i never finished it on my wii it is still great
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I think Castlevania 1 has the best boss line-up in the series, even though you can spam them with Holy Water if you're feeling kind of cheap ;D
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In Reply To #7
I do that to nearly every boss, except drac and bat!! lol
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Super Castlevania IV.
This is the game that brought back all of the same feelings I got when I first played CV 1 back in '87.
There are so many things about SCV IV that make it great (music, atmosphere, gameplay, graphics), but the one that stands out is the fact that it did all of those things while being a FIRST generation SNES game!
Even today I still play it regularly....
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The Nes one, tough as nails. :)
call me crazy but i like the unhindered purity of the basics, vampire killer. sure the difficulty level is rediculous and the hit detection wasn't all there, but man if you can make it through that game my hat goes off to ya.
what i wouldn't give to be able to do some work on it...
curse your awkward encryptions, konami!
Yeah memorizing where all those keys are is a bitch and really makes the game tough, not to mention no continues.
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The Nes one, tough as nails.
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In Reply To #12
NES one is easy as pie as long as you know where everything is.
My vote right now goes to SCIV, though, just because of the soundtrack and epic length.
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Much as I love Castlevania Chronicles, IV gets my vote. I just love the level variety, and how you have to go so far just to get to the castle in the first place. Then the castle itself is a whole new beast! Beautiful graphics and soundtrack too.
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I disagree, the NES one is crazy easy.
only if you use holy water on everybody, death is insanely tough if you don't soak him.
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only if you use holy water on everybody, death is insanely tough if you don't soak him.
Why wouldn't you use holy water on Death, or any other boss for which it's particularly effective in the original NES Castlevania? Don't you always try to use the best strategy for a given situation when you play videogames?
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Why wouldn't you use holy water on Death, or any other boss for which it's particularly effective in the original NES Castlevania?
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no, I generally use the one that offers me the most fun. Now if I'm just trying to finish the game then I'll use the best strategy but it sucks all the challenge out to just soak all the bosses to death I like challenging boss fights. I've even taken drac down using just the whip. (granted it took 3 hours)
But, you're just artificially inflating the difficulty by imposing restrictions on how you play the game. The original Castlevania is easy because there is a very effective and legitimate strategy you can use to overcome a majority of the bosses in the game. You can make any game "really hard" by imposing enough gameplay restrictions on yourself, i.e. no extra weapons, no power ups, no continues/extra lives, etc.
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In Reply To #18
So, wait. Are you telling him how he must play and enjoy his video games, or something? I never saw him say the original Castlevania wasn't easy.
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To add to that, I don't think Castlevania is necessarily an easy game. It is possible to get really good at it, but I wouldn't call it outright easy. Someone that's performed a root canal 200 times may find doing so easy, but is it an easy thing to do in and of itself? Probably not.
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In Reply To #18
So, wait.
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I agree with Wolfman Jake. Why would you cause yourself pain and frustration? For me, having the most fun in a game is where there is no difficulty and I actually beat it without losing all my hair.
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Difficulty makes thigns fun, as long as you don't get pissed off ad frustrated. That is why people make their own challenges for games they think is too easy.
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But, you're just artificially inflating the difficulty by imposing restrictions on how you play the game.
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In Reply To #23
I don't think its a glitch, its more of somehting that they probably didn't forsee giving death that type of weakness where he is frozen when hit.
EDIT: Its like giving an enemmy a good AI, but the enemy, when falls gets up slowly and the player has an attack that knocks him back down. Cheap, and effective, and probably unforeseen by the ai/game/character desginers.
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Difficulty makes thigns fun, as long as you don't get pissed off ad frustrated.
Exactly
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Dude the death holy water trick is a glitch, I don't think the programmers meant for death to be killed that way and it's boring. It's more fun to take him out with an ax or cross. I prefer to beat a game the way the programmers intended and I get a real sense of accomplishment. And I don't think it would be considered handicapping myself if I prefer to go into the boss fights with another subweapon other than holy water.
You really don't know how the creators intended you to defeat Death, or even they had ANY preconceived idea of how you "should" or should not do it.
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You really don't know how the creators intended you to defeat Death, or even they had ANY preconceived idea of how you "should" or should not do it.
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If
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See? Right here you're making a judgment about the proper way to fight Death in NES Castlevania. On the one hand, you claim that everyone is free to play however they want, but you also believe that "you really haven't beaten the game if you just soak death and he can't do anything." That sounds a LOT like telling people the "right" way to play the game.
but it's not it's common sense, everything isn't black and white. Konami at the time had a habit of making hard games, look at the MSX castlevania for proof. I'm sure if they knew death could be beat like that they would have fixed the game. If you beat death with the water trick you haven't even given him a chance to attack or do anything, it's like poisoning someone your fighting against, yeah you won the fight but you didn't overpower and beat the guy. I'm not gonna waste anymore time arguing this cuz it's obvious you won't listen to anybody and twist everything they say around to try and prove your own point(s). And no I never said my way was the "proper" way to play it, people can play it however they want.
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For those of you who are saying CV1 is easy...how many times did you play the game before you beat it? How did you find out about the Holy Water trick? How far did you get on your first game? Your second, and third?
Any game becomes easy after you've played through it enough to master the controls and the tricks, and you've memorized enemy and item locations.
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Then look here:only if you use holy water on everybody, death is insanely tough if you don't soak him.
Maybe you missed that before?
That actually means that he thinks the game is easy. However, it is only easy if a certain thing is done. I still haven't seen him say "Castlevania is not an easy game," in any of those posts. But, that's just semantics anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
I still hold that Castlevania isn't an easy game. It's not hard to say that after you've gotten accustomed to everything in it, but I've seen plenty of people play it and get slaughtered time and again, if not on the first level, then usually the second. That says something to me.
About the holy water, none of us can say for sure, but I really don't think it was meant to be exploited that way by the creators. And I don't do it, either.
Oh, and another thing. Why are some basing all of Castlevania 1's difficulty on the bosses?
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but it's not it's common sense, everything isn't black and white. Konami at the time had a habit of making hard games, look at the MSX castlevania for proof. I'm sure if they knew death could be beat like that they would have fixed the game.
Common sense doesn't ensure you're correct.
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Hmmm, I've always used the Boomerang or Axe on Death in CV1.....
Holy Water works great on Frankenstein though, whom I think ties Death for the hardest boss in the game. (Without sub-weapons of course...)
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I'm not twisting any of your words. You keep saying over and over that you don't "really" beat Castlevania if you use the holy water strategy on Death. Do you not understand your own words?
yes you can use that strategy on death if you just wish to pass him, but have you really overpowered and beaten him strength wise when he was at full power? no. So technically speaking you would still be beating the game no matter what strategy you used, but you wouldn't have defeated death at his fullest, just utilized a flaw in the programming to get a flawless victory. So in my opinion you haven't really beaten the game until you've defeated death w/out the holy water trick, now this doesn't mean you can't use holy water on him, I was just talking about that one trick. And this is all my opinion, this is just what I believe as I don't really feel I've beaten a game until I've defeated all the bosses w/out utilizing a flaw in the programming. Not to badmouth anyone who does, to each his own, but I find it more fun and rewarding not to.
Holy Water works great on Frankenstein though, whom I think ties Death for the hardest boss in the game. (Without sub-weapons of course...)
Yeah Frankenstein is tough, he wouldn't be so bad if all you had to do was dodge igor and he wasn't constantly advancing too, hell even with the holy water even though it damages him alot he can still be tough if you don't hit him jus right.
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So, in your opinion, The Last Belmont, you haven't really beaten VS. Castlevania?
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no, but I was glad to just finish it it's so damn hard, I might try to beat it on normal and hard modes w/out using the water trick someday, if I could just get an axe and a triple shot and was persistent I could probably do it. :)
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I picked the original CV. Awesome game for the time and is sooo damn memorable.
CV Chronicles/X68000 came close, IMO. I really liked how it's general layout was.
I didn't care for SCV4. It wasn't really memorable, and I cannot see why so many people rave about the music. I know it's all personal taste, but I can never find myself listening to it's music outside of the game. The colors of the graphics were too bright for me(and they kinda clashed). There was some interesting ideas(loved the spinning room), but not enough to replace CV1 as my definative "Castlevania".
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^I agree I love SCV4 but it still pales in comparison to the nes original, something about going all through the castle and having to figure out where all the food is and how to dodge all the enemy attacks because you can take so few hits in those later levels and figuring out all kinds of ways to beat the bosses and what works best really as well. Also the nes (and MSX version if your good at it and know where the keys are or use save states) has a length that makes you want to keep playin' but doesn't overwhelm you. (first time I played 4 I kept wondering when I was gonna finally get to the keep) 4 is too forgiving for an oldschool game for my tastes as well. I like the ones that force you to get good and go through the levels just about perfect so you can beat the boss. 4's fun and I play it every now and then but it can't live up to the nes one. :)
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The original Castlevania on the NES is truly a classic game, still fun and satisfying to play to this day. However, Super Castlevania IV really improves on the original in almost every aspect. The graphics are much better, period. The sound is also much better, in terms of both music and sound effects. Many of the classic themes first introduced in the NES Castlevanias (e.g. Vampire Killer, Bloody Tears, Beginning, etc.) are reproduced with much better composition and sound quality (even if SNES sound is still very synthy), plus MANY more new tracks were introduced, including some newer classics like the Theme of Simon. The music compliments the grahpics well, creating a very moody and gothic ambiance, which is perfect for a game like Castlevania. There are many more types of enemies and bosses. You play through many more stages, each rather unique. The difficulty of the game is true to Castlevania form, but the challenge seems more "legitimate" in that you're not limited by stiff controls, unforgiving physics, or odd collision detection. Super Castlevania IV is just such a big step up from the NES Castlevania, but it doesn't diminish the appeal or fun of the original. It's very similar to the situation with the original Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3. They're both classic games. I enjoy playing both again and again, but Super Mario Bros. 3 is an obvious improvement on everything that makes the original Super Mario Bros. such an enjoyable game.
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Super CastleVania IV by far. As much as I hold the original near and dear to my heart, the Super CastleVania IV just did everything right: perfect difficulty, detailed graphics and backgrounds, innovation (whip-swinging, multi-directional whipping, change direction of jump, jump on, etc.), and a masterful soundtrack.
...plus, it didn't take me four years to beat, like the original...damn you, Death, DAMN YOU!!
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For those of you who are saying CV1 is easy...how many times did you play the game before you beat it?
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It really didn't take me that long, I'm just an awesome gamer.
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In Reply To #42
Shut up! (JK) And I'm getting Chronicles for Christmas, so that may be a problem for me. :o
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In Reply To #42
Shut up! (JK) And I'm getting Chronicles for Christmas, so that may be a problem for me.
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In Reply To #44
Oh dear. Well, I still plan to play both versions. :)
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In Reply To #44
Oh dear. Well, I still plan to play both versions. :)
I recommend gamefaqs if you gets stuck cuz some of those boss fights are TOUGH and it can be insanely hard to figure out the correct strategy. :)
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In Reply To #46
Thanks. Yeah, I use GameFAQ's for all my gaming troubles. :)
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Yeah gamefaqs is great they have stuff for like every game ever made. Just finished X68000 Castlevania, took me 2 hours to pass level 8 that is one TOUGH level, and the funny thing is I was only playing it on the normal mode I've never finished it on hard mode so I decided to go ahead and try it and I'm stuck on level 2.
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In Reply To #48
All of a sudden, I wanna play chronicles again.
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Super Castlevania IV gave me nightmares as a child due to it's absurdity and creepy atmosphere...
Therefore, I love it the most.
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Aye, Super Castlevania IV reigns supreme.