and what about that Alucardvania they announced 4 years ago ? of course its not canceled yet , some peoples say they replaced it with los ok i'll tell why it is not possible to replace Akumajovania with losvania , they both announced at the same time , the same event and the same publisher "konami" so its really impossible to replaced it with los or they wouldn't let iga announce that 3d game at the first place right ?Hmm man, I hate, really hate to crush someone's illusions but.., look, the (horrible looking) Alucardvania trailer was not meant to be released, shown or announced. Igarashi was UPSET that it was shown at that event (it's not the same. Lords was annou8nced at gamescom, AlucardVania "shown" at TGS) The trailer was for Konami internal showing only, it kinda leaked in the show. It was probably the pitch Igarashi made for the internal competition about the current gen Castlevania, won by Mercury and Lords.
Wanna hear my prayers?
Please God, if the AlucardVania is still in the works against all odds, make it be in the hands of competent developers hopefuly a team formed by ex capcom employees, and for your love, keep Igarashi out of the series until Armageddon, amen.
Hmm man, I hate, really hate to crush someone's illusions but.., look, the (horrible looking) Alucardvania trailer was not meant to be released, shown or announced. Igarashi was UPSET that it was shown at that event (it's not the same. Lords was annou8nced at gamescom, AlucardVania "shown" at TGS) The trailer was for Konami internal showing only, it kinda leaked in the show. It was probably the pitch Igarashi made for the internal competition about the current gen Castlevania, won by Mercury and Lords.
Do you think it was unfair? ok, let's compare this
Castlevania PS3/360 '08 prototype (English Subtitles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODb3IWXVh7o#)
To this
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Simon Belmont Beta Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2bb2OfdbY#ws)
IGA had no chance.
So, with the remote posiility of AlucardVania being alive (it's not), IGA shouldn't put his incompetent hands on it.
I'm a classic castlevania fan , so i prefer to play a castlevania with a horrible graphics than to play Los
In a perfect world, the "Alucardvania" would be retrofitted to the PS Vita. However there's no indication that this will happen (yet).This would be perfect. Konami could market it as the sequel to its "PSP Classic Dracula X Chronicles" and give it a musical title keeping the "Rondo" and "Symphony" tradition, like, "Sonata of Twlight" or something. Having it markete as the sequel to SOTN would give the game skyrocket expectations it wouldn't live up in a million years so as a sequel to it's "Highly remarked Dracula X series" is certainly better :)
This would be perfect. Konami could market it as the sequel to its "PSP Classic Dracula X Chronicles" and give it a musical title keeping the "Rondo" and "Symphony" tradition, like, "Sonata of Twlight" or something. Having it markete as the sequel to SOTN would give the game skyrocket expectations it wouldn't live up in a million years so as a sequel to it's "Highly remarked Dracula X series" is certainly better :)
Ash, is it any wonder why your respect points are -40?And I should care because...?
Well, let me put it into perspective for you: Your blatant fanboyism is irritating.
And I should care because...?
;)
And one more thread for nothing special or new.
C'mon, guys, something new should be announced at E3. They can't announce a new game every 6 months.
why there's still hope
So long as there is still one fan bitching about this series, there is hope!
But seriously, how many IGAvanias are there? If you are unhappy with the direction that Konami has decided to take the series, there are plenty of other CV games to play. In fact, new games in general just don't interest me that much anymore, but there are tons of old games out there that will always be awesome.
All this time bitching about things online that we have no control over could be better spent, I don't know, outside & talking to women?
All this time bitching about things online that we have no control over could be better spent, I don't know, outside & talking to women?
What are these "outside" and "women" you speak of?
So why are you here ?! if you have nothing to say , go out of the whole forum because of this site made for castlevania fans and !! i post this thread on the general discussion forum to talk and discuss with peoples .. nothing more or nothing less , if you have nothing to say so please be silent , you must know that your noiselessness is a gold and i'll be so grateful if you did
What are these "outside" and "women" you speak of?
Also what is an IGAvania
Honestly, the terms "classicvania" "metroidvania" "alucardvania" and "igavania" all sound retarded and does nothing but belittle the CASTLEVANIA name. Whoever coined these terms should be shot.
IMO the only two terms that count are Classicvania and Metroidvania. One referring to the strictly linear pathway platformers of CV1-X, and MetroidVanias referring to the Metroid style open world Symphony - Dawn.Copyvania.
They are convenient terms to describe the two prominent halves of the Castlevania series.
Not sure what you could Call LoS though...
'Modernvania?"
Notcastlevaniavania.
I'm playing through Lords of Shadow right now and it's certainly more entertaining and engulfing than a lot of IGA's CV productions. Not understanding the hate.That's certainly the case. The game is alright, just like Uncharted, God of War, Shadow of Colossus, Zeldas, Marios and many other experiences. I mean, it's not like Castlevania has that many great games in it's library.
I'm playing through Lords of Shadow right now and it's certainly more entertaining and engulfing than a lot of IGA's CV productions. Not understanding the hate.
Because it's more engulfing and entertaining than a lot of IGA's CV productions.(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1128.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm493%2FStephanie_Stull%2FTumbler%2520GIFs%2Fcitizenkane.gif&hash=f7312b1e9f3030c69fcb151662938d9bce6efcb9)
I will say this:
The first 4 chapters suck and don't feel like a CV game at all.
It's a toss up between either "GodofWarvania" or "Modernvania."
Perferably I suggest "Modernvania" since it's shorter and it's easier to say than "GodofWarvania". Plus a Modernvania could consist's of Modern or mainstream game design.
Rate my trolling, please. 10/10 or 10/10?0/10
Also, people complain about the name drops and continuity nods, but if they werent there, people would have bitched even more, instead about how they werent there. About how it's not castlevania because everything is completely original, including characters and backstory.
Instead what they did was adapt certain parts of the old mythos and incorporate it. Bernhards creating a demon castle, Cronqvists being Gabriel's true origins, Rinaldo creating the Combat Cross...
Daylight is present in a number of games:
It's a mechanic in Simon's Quest.
It's sunset in the Castle Courtyard (Block 7-0A) in Dracula's Curse.
It's sunset in the Sumberged City (Block 3-03) in Super Castlevania IV.
It's broad daylight in the Aqueduct (Stage 2') in Rondo of Blood (it becomes afternoon and night-time toward the end of the stage).
It seems to be a cloudy afternoon in the entrance stage of Symphony of the Night (though in that game, the time of day, the type of moon, and other aspects freak out on a stage-by-stage basis in the castle).
Seems to be early morning (or late afternoon) in DraculaXX's Stage 2 (the bridge to the castle entrance).
It can be argued that some of the stages in the Gameboy games are set in daylight, though there's really no way to be certain.
Harmony of Dissonance's "Corridor of Air (errr... "Sky Walkway") and Chapel of Dissonance are set on a bright afternoon blue sky (green in the deformed castle).
I cannot tell what time of the day it is in Dawn of Sorrow's Village stage, but that's 'cuz it's cloudy and snowy... but it doesn't look like night-time.
Order of Ecclesia has a number of areas that are set in the morning.
The paintings in Portrait of Ruin fit into this, but technically they're fantastic landscapes and not actual locations in the world.
And then there's Lords of Shadow.
Gabriel doesn't call himself Dracula, instead he refers to himself as Dracul, as in "the Dragon."
So is Lords Reverse-Legends?
The Sumberged City has one segment with a red background that may have some believe it's during sunrise. However, afterwards the background becomes purple, indicating night, so I think the red was just used to give the area a scary and surreal atmosphere.
So why in the in-game concept art of him, he's labeled as "Dracula?"
So why in the in-game concept art of him, he's labeled as "Dracula?"
In fact, this way Mercurysteam can ease in Alucard in a way that makes sense. Dracula opposes Dracul and turns against his father for some reason(maybe Dracul started assaulting innocent humans and since he's half human he disapproves of it) and then disowns his title as "Dracula" and refers to himself as the opposite, "Alucard" and fights along side the hunters.
As for the fate of the Belmonts? My theory is that the Brotherhood of Light renames themselves "The Belmont Clan" in memory of Gabriel, who they presumed had perished after his fight with Satan (remember, he never went back to the order after beating Satan). Then the Brotherood/Belmont Clan get's wiped out by Dracul's forces, except for a few survivors who would take up arms against the forces of the night.
Flame, it's official - you are awesome.Aww shucks. Im blushing. >///w///<
you motherfuckers D:Oh please. we've been discussing these things ever since it came out. (which was a long while ago)
Spoiler tags exist. Use 'em.
you motherfuckers D:
Spoiler tags exist. Use 'em.
you motherfuckers D:
Spoiler tags exist. Use 'em.
Oh please. we've been discussing these things ever since it came out. (which was a long while ago)
you motherfuckers D:Ouch
Spoiler tags exist. Use 'em.
If this were a fucking LOS discussion thread, that'd be one thing. I avoid those threads—and I also barely ever venture into the CV section of the board.
Anyway, I'll get over it. I still love you guys. :o But damn...
I mean, I already kinda saw where things were going withbut still. It's nice to see things unfold.(click to show/hide)
We have more clever ideas than they do.Yeah, sure. Let's remake SOTN over and over and over...
Yeah, sure. Let's remake SOTN over and over and over...
No thanks. I prefer to see what MS writers has in stock.
Yeah, sure. Let's remake SOTN over and over and over...
No thanks. I prefer to see what MS writers has in stock.
Let's remake Lords of Shadow instead!
well , we only deal with true castlevania games sorry ... XD
Exactly, neither we do with Super Metroid clones :rollseyes:
But the metroid style castlevanias won both old school fans and the new comers by mixing two castlevania styles ! the old school one and the new oneOh really? where is your proof? And how could you said that it's not the same that happened with LoS? (I dno't know if it happened, so I won't go out and say that everyone loves it, because that's false, same with SOTN you know)
its easy , they kept the story which the first castlevania game started with ... ^^ so all the fans got interested and maybe you can ask the ooooold ooold old school fans like jorge and many peoples who played both metroidvanias and classicvaniasAnd what about people who played the three eras and liked those three? (as you said, ask Jorge...) see,there's the flaw of your argument, you say LoS is not CV game.. for YOU, and quite a few people yes, but it could be said the same for whom SOTN and its children are not CV games.
And what about people who played the three eras and liked those three? (as you said, ask Jorge...) see,there's the flaw of your argument, you say LoS is not CV game.. for YOU, and quite a few people yes, but it could be said the same for whom SOTN and its children are not CV games.
And if anything, LoS is how an Old School vania (say, True castlevania) would look in modern times. Linear, atmospheric, location-varied, slashing type, with a few puzzles here and there, oh, and big bosses, very big bosses.
(And no, SOTN doesn't have the same story of old castlevanias, Dracula was Count Dracula alias Movie Dracula until 2003, there was no Vampire killer per se - it was a different whip each time, play Simon's Quest) also SOTN retconed plot points from ROB and Cv3 the same HoD to SQ. See? The story you "know and love" has been as constant as Dracula's look :P
I've said it, and I'll said it again, LoS hate reasons are completely aesthetic. If it had less vibrnant colors, if Gabriel was an anrdorgenus pretty boy and if music was j-pop and "catchy", haters would be drooling all over it.
Sad, because CV was not like that until 1996.
I can play this game too:Haha so true
Man I hated Symphony of the Night. It just isn't a true Castlevania.
Where is the linear straight path to or through Dracula's castle? What is this RPG stuff? The music sucks too, there's no older themes from previous games! Theres no music I recognize! OH BIG WHOOP, TWO REMIXED TRACKS FROM DRACULA X.
Why does Alucard look like a long haired pretty boy? He looks like a woman! Where's my tough looking manly Belmonts? What!? Richter is the enemy and the Lord of the Castle? That's stupid. Why would they Make a Belmont the bad guy? What the fuck, Konami? And why does Richter look like a woman too?
And sorry, If I wanted to play Metroid I would have played Metroid, they should make up their own unique gameplay instead of copying Super Metroid's open world and upgrade system. And they totally copied Metroid's super jump, by the way. How unoriginal can they get!
3 - sotn is a true castlevania no matter what you say , it won the old school fans more than it lost some "like what happened to los"Your argument is.. so... strong..
Haha so true
Your argument is.. so... strong..
lol NO
I won't even try, it's just 2 (add now 3?) guys who searched all my posts and started spamming with with -1's.
Fix your negative respect rates ^^
then i'll be so glad to argue with you mister
1 - I didn't said i haven't liked or even i hated it , los is a good game but not as a castlevania game !Could you explain what qualities it possesses that make you feel that way?
2 - you said SOTN has cutted down the story of the old castlevanias well .. it was a sequel of your beloved castlevania "rondo of blood"So? Curse of Darkness is a sequel to Castlevania 3, and it's a terrible game which just further drives home the fact that pretty much anyone can kill Dracula with pretty much any weapon.
3 - sotn is a true castlevania no matter what you say , it won the old school fans more than it lost some "like what happened to los"I love the compelling reasons for calling it a true castlevania you give.
please don't talk about the themes of SOTN cuz they didn't brought a movie composer to a "game" at leastOscar Araujo had composed for 3 more games before LoS.
Are you sure there are no previous themes ? Lol it haven't you played The saturn version ? they brought both Bloody tears , 2 versions of the beginning , vampire killers song and the divine bloodline when you fight against richterLoS had Waterfall, Couryard, Vampire Killer, and a reprise from beginning (where its almost as hidden as divine bloodlines in the richter fight theme) and the motfif from CV1 Dracula's Battle
Oscar Araujo had composed for 3 more games before LoS.
Just sayin'LoS had Waterfall, Couryard, Vampire Killer, and a reprise from beginning (where its almost as hidden as divine bloodlines in the richter fight theme) and the motfif from CV1 Dracula's Battle
a reprise from beginning (where its almost as hidden as divine bloodlines in the richter fight theme) and the motfif from CV1 Dracula's Battleoh right, totally forgot those. *edit*
u still want to mention that childish vampire killer remix ? , my little brother slept when he heard that theme ...just telling ya xDIt's a music box remix. It's supposed to sound a bit more lighthearted. it's for nostalgic value, and I'd say it works very well. I must admit, when I first heard it in game, It brought a grin to my face.
u still want to mention that childish vampire killer remix ? , my little brother slept when he heard that theme ...just telling ya xDThat was the idea, it was a Vampire Killer lullaby, you know, in a music box.
That was the idea, it was a Vampire Killer lullaby, you know, in a music box.
See, this is getting tiresome. We are not saying that SOTN is a bad game or even a bad CV game, yes, it's a super metroid clone, and yes, it changed too much from the originals, but.. is it bad? No, it's a masterpiece. It was a change, a neccsary change, and a good one. Was it good Castlevania game? Yes, or no, whatever you think, but it's part of the series, just like Judgemnt, Despair and Order of Shadows, and obviously not in their same league, it'¿s an important part of history and one that will be remembered fondly, even if it shattered the series into new grounds.
The same with Lords.
Lords deserves the same respect and admiration of Castlevanias before it (A good 3D Castlevania game that works is a huge merit on its own). It was a game created with care, love you could say, there was no lazyness in it (and that's more that could be said about other efforts in the series, even SOTN with its recycled sprites) it brought the seris to modern times while expanding its original (you could say, forgotten) foundations. And besides of that, it's a GREAT game and one that is considered of the best of its genre in the entire generation by some outlets, if that doesn't deserve respect I don't know what could do.
I'm being called a fanboy, and If I'm one for admiring the brave work of this new direction, so be it, I can't live in the past, I had those games, I love them, and so I'm glad this the present is being given to me for the series. For me, these are bright times, times with hope.
You're right , but i was talking to "Flame" he called it a bad CV ! lolI was responding to the common criticisms against LoS by usingsimilar criticisms against Symphony of the Night. They arent criticisms I personally believe, they are just criticisms that can be held against the game. I love SoTN as much as the next guy, I love Yamane's music and I love Ayami Kojima's artwork. the map was neat. But the fact is, people complain about LoS calling it "not a true Castlevania" for the most superficial obnoxious reasons, so I applied the same concept to SoTN.
i'm not a los hater or lover i'm a castlevania fan , lords of shadow need some points of fixes to get more castlevanish !Nobody argues that, the LoS universe definitely needs some polishing.
- change the composerThere's nothing wrong with the composer. it just isnt the same baroque influenced gothic music we have heard in every metroidvania since symphony. What LoS DOES need however, is more music in general, and stage specific tracks. I wasnt a big fan of reusing the soundtrack as ambience pieces. I mean, I loved the soundtrack, but theres only so many times i can hear the same tunes over and over depending on the situations.
- change the characters design and then i'll be happy ^^
I'm just saying that los need to bring some classics in the next sequelIm sure they will. they will have more freedom with this one since they are not under the hovering dagger of "will it be released as a CV game or an original IP?" if they have more freedom, they will be able to do more.
- change the composer
get rid of the flying pig orcs they call vampires
That reminds me of something.... (Spoilers for Abnormal Freak)(click to show/hide)
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