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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Sinful on May 18, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
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It seems most everywhere I read or hear about this game, most almost always praise it's graphics. Only I don't quite see why all the praise or at least so much of it? I think one of the main things that upsets me about them are the many lame drab in-between colours this game uses? I miss all them more bold primary colours of the NES, PC-Engine, and Sega Genesis Castlevania game (and maybe it was like that because these systems didn't have near as much total available colours). Heck, even Dracula XX for SNES does a much better job with colours in my opinion. Course there are other things that bother me about this games graphics, but this is more then a good enough start.
So I'm just making this post to see if anyone else likes Super Castlevania IV's graphics the least out of all the classic Castlevania games, or at least close to least? If not, why not explain why you love this games graphics so much?
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Of all the things someone could put down Super Castlevania IV over, the graphics cannot be one of them. ;) I'd go so far as to be an ass and say that it's purely objective how great them grafix is.
Dracula XX is terribly cartoony. I like it, but IV has a much more refined look. Despite the cartoony color palette of the SNES, the developers managed to create something really dark and moody. It's much like Demon's Crest in that regard. A high level of artistry was put into CV IV, and the music goes hand-in-hand with its visuals.
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Nope. CV4 had great graphics for it's time.
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are you contrarian or what
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NO.
Why does this thread exist?
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Graphics for Super Castlevania IV was pretty much awesome.
Especially around the time when I first played it on my Super Nintendo so many years ago.
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Graphics for Super Castlevania IV was pretty much awesome.
Especially around the time when I first played it on my Super Nintendo so many years ago.
Don't you see? You guys are all blinded by nostalgia. ;D
:rollseyes:
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Coming out in 1991 and being one of the first SNES games, I'd say they pretty great. And aside from that I still think they hold up nicely
And as far as saying that it didn't have as bright of colors as Dracula XX, I like that better, since when is ancient castles full of monsters and demons supposed to be colorful?
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Castlevania Adventure had shit graphics! And hell, even its sequels. You would think after the first game they would have made an effort to at least ADD A LITTLE COLOR TO THE GAME!
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How does Sinful have only 88 posts with a -45 respect rating lol?
anyway the graphics are universally praised for obvious reasons. veterans that have been playing CV since the 80s agree, and even n00bs agree with some oddball exceptions. no one here needs to sit down & explain to you why they think so just so you can pick apart each post & try to prove them wrong. don't tase me, bro
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NO.
Why does this thread exist?
Apparently because it can?
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How does Sinful have only 88 posts with a -45 respect rating lol?
I'd say it'd be pretty likely for him to be the first one to hit -100 rep, especially after he proved himself an idiot through this thread.
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I'd say it'd be pretty likely for him to be the first one to hit -100 rep, especially after he proved himself an idiot through this thread.
If someone does get there a special badge should be awarded :P
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Of all the things someone could put down Super Castlevania IV over, the graphics cannot be one of them. ;)
I know most prefer this games graphics. I opened up with that. So without a doubt I know there was gonna be strong resistance to this topic. But what I want to know is if anyone out there thinks like me, that they aren't all that great? And, if they have the balls to say it too, and not fear losing popularity at the same time?
You see, we all have preferences, and to me, this game's graphics aren't within my preferences. If they're within your, then yeah that's great, and wouldn't be the first time I heard it.
And I highly doubt me starting a topic like this would put a samper on this games popularity anyways. So let's not go there.
Don't you see? You guys are all blinded by nostalgia. ;D
:rollseyes:
Now this is interesting. This is actually one way I wanted to open this thread. As I'm wondering if this is a possibility too? You see, I played this game at the start of the 32-Bit era, and maybe because of that I didn't have any nostalgia holding me back? It would like to hear if anyone who played this game after it's time still thinks this game is not overrated graphics wise?
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Now this is interesting. This is actually one way I wanted to open this thread. As I'm wondering if this is a possibility too? You see, I played this game at the start of the 32-Bit era, and maybe because of that I didn't have any nostalgia holding me back? It would like to hear if anyone who played this game after it's time still thinks this game is not overrated graphics wise?
I did not play Sciv till I got a wii so I really do not think the graphics are overrated.Hell what I think is good graphic wise is probably different from most people my age I just missed the mark of 16-bit(born in 92') but I grew up on them with a bit of 32/64 bit 3d gaming If anything the only classicvania that really has nostalgia for me is CVIII, the beginning of my gaming life.
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I really don't think nostalgia plays into it. Great pixel art is great pixel art.
I just started playing Blood for the first time and it's a beautiful looking game. Great sprites, awesome environments, and even some voxels. If someone were to only play modern FPSs and then go back to that and balk at the graphics and gameplay and say that people only dig it out of nostalgia, that'd be pretty ridiculous.
The nostalgia angle just doesn't work, ever.
...Unless we're talking shitty American cartoons from the '80s. ;)
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...Unless we're talking shitty American cartoons from the '80s. ;)
You're crazy. The 80's had the best cartoons of all time.
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You're crazy. The 80's had the best cartoons of all time.
-1? How the @#$% could anybody disagree with this!? The 80's had the best everything! Toys, cartoons, movies, video games, etc.
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The 80's had the best everything! Toys, cartoons, movies, video games, etc.
I don't disagree. I grew up in the 80's and these cartoons gave me lots of fond memories :)
I think the main reason is why SCV IV's graphics are the way the are is because with all the new hardware the SNES could sport, Konami wanted to see if the could finally create the right mood for the series that they could only dream about when they only had the NES to work with. SCV IV's graphics were essentially the epitome of what the other previous titles could not live up to. The NES had a limited palette to work with and this ultimately showed on the earlier CV games, though they did the best they could at that time. Even the gameboy titles were even more strapped due to using only gray scale. Until the SNES came along there was just no way that Konami could bring about the type of feel that SCV IV was able to convey.
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I wasn't going to reply since I didn't wanna change the subject, but since you've addressed it twice in a row... ;)
I just don't dig those shows. Cartoons meant to sell a product with usually terrible writing. He-Man, G.I. Joe, The Real Ghostbusters... Cartoons that have always left a bad taste in my mouth and heinously drawn to boot. I was glad to grow up on Batman, Exosquad, Ren & Stimpy, etc. instead. Shows that had more substance and artistic merit.
Even my brother who grew up during the '80s was kind of envious of the stuff I had as a kid. :p Even Transformers and TMNT are bland, although I hold a special place for them regardless. That and it's impossible to deny the greatness of The Transformers: The Movie.
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I wasn't going to reply since I didn't wanna change the subject, but since you've addressed it twice in a row... ;)
I just don't dig those shows. Cartoons meant to sell a product with usually terrible writing. He-Man, G.I. Joe, The Real Ghostbusters... Cartoons that have always left a bad taste in my mouth and heinously drawn to boot. I was glad to grow up on Batman, Exosquad, Ren & Stimpy, etc. instead. Shows that had more substance and artistic merit.
Even my brother who grew up during the '80s was kind of envious of the stuff I had as a kid. :p Even Transformers and TMNT are bland, although I hold a special place for them regardless. That and it's impossible to deny the greatness of The Transformers: The Movie.
I was fortunate enough to have been born in a time where I was able to grow up with both generations and all I can say is man, you and your brother have some shitty taste.
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I agree with Abnormal Freak. Everyone hop on the shit train. I didn't even have cable, so I never saw any of those shows until now.
But yeah, even in the NES Castlevanias, you could see that they were increasingly going toward that darker feel that Super Castlevania IV established. Castlevania II is kinda really really darn obvious about it, but III uses a lot of rich black and shadowing too.
I don't mind the percieved darkness in Super Castlevania IV, it pulls out a strong color palette and even manages to inject some really saturated colors to contrast with everything else. There's a great deal of abstract-ness and patterning in the landscapes too. I loved that Super Castlevania IV retained some of that odd tiling found in the NES titles.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wQoiNpwv9QU/TlnyJrVhhFI/AAAAAAAAAos/edWexnPwVyI/s510/keepview.png)
If there's anything I don't entirely love about it, it's the sprites. They're muddy, and lack the technical polish of titles like Rondo's sprites.
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I really don't think nostalgia plays into it. Great pixel art is great pixel art.
Hm, I don't know? I'd like to think so too, but I can't help think & feel that part of the things I enjoyed the most as a kid has some sort of phycological hold over me now to have the same preferences again even if I'm not fully aware of it... I mean, the best things in life were through the eyes of our youth. Our youth seemed to have more of an imagination and knew how to make everything much more interesting then we can now (why so many instead rely on dope and/or alcohol to try to achieve the same results, lol, and thank goodness I have good childhood memories to not have to rely on these other methods). So even now a days, things I can relate to my youth, I seem to enjoy a lot more. So same with others I assume, and why the word nostalgia always gets lumped with great things...
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Meh, they are not bad. The mode 7 FX are the main treat and a sweet one at that, as for the rest of it... I didn't see anything that couldn't be done on Sega Genesis.
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Nope, Castlevania IV may not be my favorite ClassicVania but it's far from unpleasant to look at. Particularly when you consider it was an SNES launch title, while XX came out towards the end of the console's lifecycle. That's where you're comparing apples and oranges. Once developers get more experience with hardware they naturally get better at developing for it in all respects, this is (presumably) why CotM* had a too-dark color palette and why Adventure* had such crippling slowdown, and also why the follow-ups to these games fixed those respective problems. Considering the above it's even more impressive that Konami managed to hit it so far out of the park on their first try on the SNES.
Also while I really like the game (odd I know) I'd have to say the ClassicVania with the worst graphics would have to be Castlevania Legends, the devs obviously weren't able to spend as much time (or cart space) on graphics when Nintendo/Konami wanted those Super Gameboy "enhancements" shoehorned in as well.
*Two other first-on-the-system games in the series, with CotM being a launch title like SCVIV
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all I can say is man, you and your brother have some shitty taste.
>implying Batman TAS is a shit taste
I will fight you, sir.
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As I understand it Castlevania IV was well received when it was first released. There was nothing to be nostalgic about then so I think you've just discovered a game that the rest of the world seems to love but you don't. It happens, I personally found SOTN pretty ordinary. Just because others don't share the same opinion doesn't mean they're simply being deluded by nostalgia.
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Wow, we really need a new Castlevania... I mean, come on? This topic... argh.
Edit: Whoops!
@Topic: CV4 is a great game. I´ll never understand those people who are complaining or nitpicking about older game´s graphics. Take the game as it is, or leave it. Oh, there´s no HD remake of it? Bad luck, I guess.
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I am actually more impressed by SCV4 graphics now than I was back in the early 90's. Looking back at the 16 bit era, SCV4 is one of the best looking games I can think of. Some of the backgrounds are strange, I admit that, and I'm not always 100% sure exactly what I'm looking at. But that only makes the graphics that much more interesting.
I'd say EVERYTHING in the world is more or less overrated if you nitpick too much. So in that regard - yes, the graphics are probably overrated. Some of the levels look less awesome than others. But c'mon! It's such a classy and timeless game. Don't hate on it!
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SCV4 has one of the best and stylish graphics in the 2D series. It is undeniable fact.
And I speak about without the hint of Nostalgia, because I played this game only in 2004. 8)
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The graphics are fine, I like the darker atmosphere it suits Castlevania very well. The 64 games seemed to borrow from IV in this regard. My only knock against the game is it is too damn easy because Simon is overpowered with the 8-way whip. Also the Dracula battle is one of the easiest in the series which is a disappointment considering the build up to the fight. Don't get me wrong I still think it one of the best in the series, just not my personal favorite.
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I think we have determined by the answers to this thread, the answer to the thread's question:
No, they're not overrated.
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"Overrated" and "underrated" are terrible words.
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No they arent. They still are beautifull to this day, even compared to the oneslike SotN and saving their respective plataform strenghts. The 3D tunnel part stills wows me and make me look at the now very old Snes and say: "really?"
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Castlevania Adventure had shit graphics! And hell, even its sequels. You would think after the first game they would have made an effort to at least ADD A LITTLE COLOR TO THE GAME!
They did
[TAS] GBC The Castlevania Adventure (Europe) by arukAdo in 14:58.7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgQHC5OMg0s#)
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They did
[TAS] GBC The Castlevania Adventure (Europe) by arukAdo in 14:58.7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgQHC5OMg0s#)
Yeah too bad they only released it in Europe as part of a Konami Collection :(
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Nothing about Super Castlevania IV is overrated, favoritism and nostalgia be damned. It was and will remain, one of the best classic Castlevania titles in the series.
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>implying Batman TAS is a shit taste
I will fight you, sir.
Batman TAS is and will always be my favorite adaptation of the comic. It's, IMO, perfect. No other animation/live action has actually come close to capturing the true comics as TAS(not even Nolan's movies, which are respectably their own thing). Probably one of the best cartoons around.
Though, I disagree with the notion that cartoons made to sell toys are bad. When you are a kid, you couldn't care less about that. Toys are fuckin FUN, ESPECIALLY if your a kid, and I know, when I was a kid, I wanted toys of cartoon characters. Hell, I loved the Batman TAS, Exo-Squad, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles figures they had out in the 90s. 90s had some fuckin AWESOME toys(loved the Aliens and Predator figure lines, as well as the Toy Biz Marvel figures). Holy shit, nostalgia overload! Wild West Cowboys of MOOOOOO Mesa, son! Loved the figures, cartoon and the arcade game! Of course, probably one of the more commercial FORCES to come out in the 90s was Power Rangers. Damn, never saw so much crap(though, to be fair, I was never into Power Rangers, though my younger sibs were). 90s tries to pretend it wasn't as commercially driven. It kinda still was. Hell, even today, it still is.
In the end, you don't need something thought provoking to be happy, just something fun. That's what the 80s was all about.
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Batman TAS is and will always be my favorite adaptation of the comic. It's, IMO, perfect. No other animation/live action has actually come close to capturing the true comics as TAS(not even Nolan's movies, which are respectably their own thing). Probably one of the best cartoons around.
Though, I disagree with the notion that cartoons made to sell toys are bad. When you are a kid, you couldn't care less about that. Toys are fuckin FUN, ESPECIALLY if your a kid, and I know, when I was a kid, I wanted toys of cartoon characters. Hell, I loved the Batman TAS, Exo-Squad, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles figures they had out in the 90s. 90s had some fuckin AWESOME toys(loved the Aliens and Predator figure lines, as well as the Toy Biz Marvel figures). Holy shit, nostalgia overload! Wild West Cowboys of MOOOOOO Mesa, son! Loved the figures, cartoon and the arcade game! Of course, probably one of the more commercial FORCES to come out in the 90s was Power Rangers. Damn, never saw so much crap(though, to be fair, I was never into Power Rangers, though my younger sibs were). 90s tries to pretend it wasn't as commercially driven. It kinda still was. Hell, even today, it still is.
In the end, you don't need something thought provoking to be happy, just something fun. That's what the 80s was all about.
Batman TAS might be the best American animation of that decade imo. It was good enough to inspire the DCAU, which lasted almost 15 years. Though you saw a lot of innovation and experimentation around that time. With the success of the Simpsons and Ren & Stimpy allowing lots of unusual creations like Beavis and Butthead, The Critic, Duckman and Rocko's Modern Life to have a shot at the mainstream. Even if they didn't always succeed.
Whether or not commercialism can inspire genuine "art" is something that's been pondered since the Pop Art movement in the late 50s, but I think most people today agree that it can even if it usually doesn't. And I think a lot of people would agree Batman TAS is.
there is another show, probably my favorite cartoon ever made, that comes from the 90s. With the exception of the pilot and a few quirky episodes it pictured a dystopian world in which evil had already won. Only a small handful of survivors formed a resistance to the evil dictator who had not only conquered the planet but turned everyone they had ever loved into mindless robotic servants. That series? Sonic the Hedgehog.
PS- Let's not forget that without Batman TAS we wouldn't have gotten Big O either.
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Batman TAS might be the best American animation of that decade imo...PS- Let's not forget that without Batman TAS we wouldn't have gotten Big O either.
Technically speaking, I think [the amazing] Batman: The Animated Series was animated in Japan by some of the same people who would go on to animate The Big-O. Working on Batman was an influence on their style. Shame about The Big-O losing that "optioned" 3rd Season, but good to hear it get a shout out! :)
As for Castlevania IV, I think it still holds up. I like Dracula X SNES' graphical style a lot, but Castlevania IV has a mood that's incredible. (It, Simon's Quest, and the 64 entries are perhaps the creepiest/moodiest. As was noted, Castlevania IV seems to have had an influence on the "dark" style of CV64). One thing that BAFFLES me is how Castlevania IV, Dracula X SNES, and Bloodlines can get their respective power out of 16-bits, and yet the later GBA and DS entries, while competent-looking, feel graphically inferior on the whole. What's up with that?
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I loved The Critic, but perhaps I'm a bit biased since I live in NY ;D
Duckman was also quirky & funny as hell (Cornfed was the man!). Does anyone remember the Mario Bros. show where the first 5 minutes was live-action with actors, then the rest was animated? lmao
about Ren & Stimpy... anyone remember this??
Nickelodeon, accidental porn moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoWrbKs-QNE#)
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It seems this topic has run its course, since it's being taken into non sequitur directions.
Thus, locked.