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Title: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: pimp dracula on June 23, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
Lords of Shadows soundtracks are good but they are nowhere near Yamane's masterpieces. How many classic tunes did she made? I heard the musical team of LoS2 is trying to make a a Guinness world record by making the largest team on a video game music. She should be one of them. I already moved on from IGA but I can't move on from changing the musical team.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Johnny Alucard on June 24, 2012, 12:41:41 AM
That's if she wants to come back. She's been independent since 2008.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Dremn on June 24, 2012, 12:55:42 AM
I would like to see her back as well, but I believe she left Konami on her own free will, so I'd rather not have her forced back into it.

I do hope the series returns to it's original direction in music after LoS though, it's just not the same without the familiar poppy Konami tunes.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Flame on June 24, 2012, 01:03:55 AM
I do believe that if Yamane and Oscar bumped heads they could create a fucking masterpiece.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: X on June 24, 2012, 02:02:24 AM
There have been others who have made excellent CV scores through the series' history and not just Yamane. Any one of these artists could be brought in after the LOS composers are done.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Ahasverus on June 24, 2012, 02:02:52 AM
You should let Konami manage their property the way they feel it.
Yamane as a guest composer? absolutely, Yamane as a new in-house composer for Konami? oh yes, Yamane as the only Castlevania composer? No
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: KaZudra on June 24, 2012, 02:03:08 AM
I do believe that if Yamane and Oscar bumped heads they could create a fucking masterpiece.

cinematic yet catchy tunes with the epicness and style.... pure eargasms
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: shelverton. on June 24, 2012, 06:42:31 AM
In my opinion, Yamane needed a break after Order of Ecclesia. I like the music but I never felt it was up to her previous standards, except maybe 3 excellent tracks. Also, listening to her latest work on the Skullgirls soundtrack, I am not really feeling it anymore. Again, it has maybe 2 great tracks but the rest is pretty forgettable IMO.

I do want her to make more Castlevania music, but I'd also like to see someone completely new have a go at it. I was very impressed by Jake Kauffman and his castlevaniaesque work on Bloodrayne Betrayal, but I've said that millions of times already.

But yeah, Yamane and Oscar would make an interesting duo, possibly awesome!
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Leirbag on June 24, 2012, 06:47:17 AM
120 piece orchestra vs synthetizer...
Sorry dude , but if Yamane came back , konami should ban the synthetizer from the project.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Sumac on June 24, 2012, 06:53:58 AM
I think that her OOE soundtrack was one of the best in the whole series and definitely much much better then anything DOS and POR could offer. I am not sure, if it was because she was that good or because of the another composer, though. I am not exactly against her return, but not in the LOS series.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: shelverton. on June 24, 2012, 07:04:53 AM
I think that her OOE soundtrack was one of the best in the whole series and definitely much much better then anything DOS and POR could offer.

Yeah, I get that a lot from people. Dunno, I'm just not hearing it. Personally I think PoR has the best soundtrack of any handheld Castlevania, which is ironic since the actual game is probably my least favorite. Well, well... opinions!
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: pimp dracula on June 24, 2012, 07:18:23 AM
120 piece orchestra vs synthetizer...
Sorry dude , but if Yamane came back , konami should ban the synthetizer from the project.
So SotN, LoI and CoD were produced from a synth, is that what you are trying to say?
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 24, 2012, 08:08:48 AM
120 piece orchestra vs synthetizer...
Sorry dude , but if Yamane came back , konami should ban the synthetizer from the project.

 You are wrong my friend here, because Yamane has an orchestra composing and playing her songs and then because you see almost all Castlevania games after Symphony of The Night are for handheld consoles, she has a team that renders them into digital sounds, since nintendo handheld consoles and other companies handheld consoles have limited sound capabilities. There is an interview with her, when PoR came out that they have asked her about her music compsitions and she has answered what i have wrote above.

  Here is an example:
Castlevania Lament of Innocence OST - 212 - The Cross of Fate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSKv_NGFIvc#) Orchestrated version of corridor from aria of sorrow.
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow - Castle Corridor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5lTIHq45Q#) In game version.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Leirbag on June 24, 2012, 08:46:23 AM
I wasn't talking about the whole stuff but some voices and other sounds that ruins the rest.
Example: the voices in here would have rendered nicer with a choir:
requiem of gods:
Castlevania SOTN Soundtrack- Requiem of the Gods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH_3Q87Z40#)
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Dark Nemesis on June 24, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
I wasn't talking about the whole stuff but some voices and other sounds that ruins the rest.
Example: the voices in here would have rendered nicer with a choir:
requiem of gods:
Castlevania SOTN Soundtrack- Requiem of the Gods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH_3Q87Z40#)

 For me sounds fine as it is, but you can't expect everything to be 100% perfect.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Leirbag on June 24, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
In fact it would be cool to hear what she can do with a hi budget and a big orchestra
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Sumac on June 24, 2012, 01:48:43 PM
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Yeah, I get that a lot from people. Dunno, I'm just not hearing it.
Well, for me OOE OST is great because pretty much all the music in the game has the same theme going for it - "cold and melancholic". It's one of the very few games in the series where music had the general theme for it and supported mood (others being SCV4, CVB, CV64). Also, this soundtrack finally was arranged nicely as opposed to the DOS and POR OSTs which good melodies were butchered by very questonable arrangement, IMO.

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In fact it would be cool to hear what she can do with a hi budget and a big orchestra
And good sound hardware that could make her songs sound good in-game.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Rugal on June 24, 2012, 03:46:54 PM
Half the reason why people like Castlevania so much is because of the music. LoS took all that and flushed it down the toilet. Bring back Yamane. She brought soul into the series.

Lords of Shadow just sucks and doesn't deserve the title of "Castlevania".
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Flame on June 24, 2012, 04:04:29 PM
Half the reason why people like Castlevania so much is because of the music. LoS took all that and flushed it down the toilet. Bring back Yamane. She brought soul into the series.

Lords of Shadow just sucks and doesn't deserve the title of "Castlevania".
0/10
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Rugal on June 24, 2012, 05:11:33 PM
LoS doesn't deserve THAT low of a score.. But hey, whatever you want. I was going to give it like a 4/10.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Sumac on June 24, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
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She brought soul into the series.
Good soundtracks were in the series way back before Yamane come on board. Since the very first game in the series, to be exact. The same case with the soul. LOS has soundrack that is appropriate for what game attempt to do.
As for your LOS rant, I am with Flame on this, 0/10.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Rugal on June 24, 2012, 08:00:28 PM
LoS isn't a 0/10.. Done trying to argue that.  :-X

You're right about how the music for Castlevania always had soul, but this new shit just doesn't fit at all.. Maybe if I was watching Lord of the Rings.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Ahasverus on June 24, 2012, 09:05:01 PM
See you in 3 years when the LoS canon is finished, Rugal.
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Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: crisis on June 24, 2012, 09:09:58 PM
well Cox did say the LoS trilogy should be viewed as a book; LoS2 being the absolute end/last chapter of the story. Once MercurySteam completes it, it'd be pretty pointless for another team to make more games in that canon, since every chapter would have already been completed [with MoF], so to speak.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Ahasverus on June 24, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
well Cox did say the LoS trilogy should be viewed as a book; LoS2 being the absolute end/last chapter of the story. Once MercurySteam completes it, it'd be pretty pointless for another team to make more games in that canon, since every chapter would have already been completed [with MoF], so to speak.
I hope so, but that didn't stop Konami before (AoS pretty much finishes the old timeline)
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on June 24, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
I hope so, but that didn't stop Konami before (AoS pretty much finishes the old timeline)
I don't recall Konami saying AoS was the end of the old timeline. Maybe the last(when it was released, for that time) in the timeline, but not the definite end. I always felt, though, AoS was an attempt to create a new series within the original canon. Kinda like BC and AD, DE(Dracula Era) and AD(After Dracula).
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Flame on June 24, 2012, 11:34:35 PM
AoS feels like the natural ending to the timeline though. You defeat the chaos within the castle, make the castle vaporize, reject your fate of becoming Dracula, thus ending the eternal struggle between Belmonts and Dracula, and giving Mathias a second chance at Humanity with someone he loves.

Alucard thanks you in the name of his mother, and Julius feels the power slipping from Vampire killer. (Probably Sara's soul finally being able to rest and therefore leaving Vampire killer) It all feels so final and so absolute. And it worked, it was well done.

The came DoS and fudged all that up.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Leirbag on June 25, 2012, 04:54:13 AM
well Cox did say the LoS trilogy should be viewed as a book; LoS2 being the absolute end/last chapter of the story. Once MercurySteam completes it, it'd be pretty pointless for another team to make more games in that canon, since every chapter would have already been completed [with MoF], so to speak.
Los is here to draw the story of dracula and install a new canon for future developers.
Cox pretty much said that...
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: pimp dracula on June 26, 2012, 09:19:15 AM
Imagine these songs type of songs on a new CV title. It would be epic even if the game fails.

Castlevania: Lament of Innocence Music: Dark Palace of Waterfalls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izj8elq1o1Q#)

Castlevania SOTN: Finale Toccata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dknftT3LjX4#)


I have yet to play CoD so I can't judge it's soundtrack yet.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Odile Kuronuma on June 27, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
I always thought that Sotn and LoI had the best soundtracks. CoD is good but it has too much electric guitar pieces for my taste. If they ever bring back Yamane, she should do something in the vein of LoI, with dark yet very beautiful pieces that don't use too much guitar .Don't get me wrong I love the guitar as an instrument, but it doesn't convey emotions as good as a piano or a violin does, especially if it's an electric one.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Dominus Agony on June 27, 2012, 11:49:16 AM
Los is here to draw the story of dracula and install a new canon for future developers.
Cox pretty much said that...

Um, not exactly; he said they [MercurySteam] wanted to tell THEIR story, and move onto other things once finished. Never said anything about leaving their "canon" open for other developers, just that they only have CV "THE BRAND" for a short time & are gonna pass it off or relinquish it back to Konami since their story will be completed.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Profbeanburrito on June 27, 2012, 04:36:35 PM
I always thought that Sotn and LoI had the best soundtracks. CoD is good but it has too much electric guitar pieces for my taste. If they ever bring back Yamane, she should do something in the vein of LoI, with dark yet very beautiful pieces that don't use too much guitar .Don't get me wrong I love the guitar as an instrument, but it doesn't convey emotions as good as a piano or a violin does, especially if it's an electric one.

I fully agree with this, I like her music but I don't like Castlevania all rocked out.

I loved LoS's fully orchestrated music, and I feel like if Yamane had music performed that way it would be great, but after LoS I don't know if I could enjoy CV music in future games if it's not
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Neobelmont on June 27, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
Bloodlines>SoTN

Yamane is good but I think the series should have new comers to show their style to cv like the old days.
Maybe a fan soundtrack like what street fighter did from my understanding with SFIIHD that was the fan-made soundtrack right?
Title: katy perry
Post by: crisis on June 27, 2012, 07:30:48 PM
I'm betting that if IGArashi ever returns to make another game, then he'd ask Yamane to do a few guest tracks. I don't think we've heard the last of her, at all. Prunyuu
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Flame on June 27, 2012, 07:47:30 PM
Bloodlines>SoTN

<3

One of the reasons music for older games often seems superior to current games, is because since the systems could only do music with what was in the system, they had to emphasize a strong melody.

I do love myself that Bloodlines soundtrack. The Genesis instruments give real good unique sound, and they really lend themselves to castlevania. I think The Adventure rebirth with it's genesis sounding soundtrack can attest to that besides Bloodlines.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Neobelmont on June 28, 2012, 01:07:55 AM
<3

One of the reasons music for older games often seems superior to current games, is because since the systems could only do music with what was in the system, they had to emphasize a strong melody.

I do love myself that Bloodlines soundtrack. The Genesis instruments give real good unique sound, and they really lend themselves to castlevania. I think The Adventure rebirth with it's genesis sounding soundtrack can attest to that besides Bloodlines.

Bloodlines was really memorable for me
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But over all bloodlines soundtract was just incredible for me even if I cannot remember all the themes most of them are still in my head not to mention Reincarnated soul and Iron blue intention(had this on when I was making Eric for soul calibur V), and the sinking sanctuary also this

 The Prayer of a Tragic Queen
Castlevania Bloodlines - Stage 5 [Genesis] Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDDXwW12Cw#ws)




Calling from Heaven
Castlevania Bloodlines - Stage 6 [Genesis] Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BVFbBXuYtI#ws)

And the Italy (pisa) level in my opinion one of the most ominous, dreary, and overall one of the most uncomfortable songs in the franchise which is awesome in this case.

The Discolored Wall
Castlevania Bloodlines - Stage 3 [Genesis] Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwB71kLmuKE#ws)
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Flame on June 28, 2012, 01:42:51 AM
Forgot the awesomely melodic Atlantis Shrine

Castlevania Bloodlines - Stage 2 [Genesis] Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJsfwHObvw#ws)
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Neobelmont on June 28, 2012, 01:48:31 AM
Forgot the awesomely melodic Atlantis Shrine

Castlevania Bloodlines - Stage 2 [Genesis] Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJsfwHObvw#ws)

Aka sinking sanctuary ;)
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Jbetbrice on June 28, 2012, 06:05:00 AM
She is Independant i think Now , but , just listen to ''The Lost Paintings'' in SOTN , This Ambiance is Awesome Man ! , she has made an incredible job for SOTN and i hope she'll be called for MoF
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: pimp dracula on June 28, 2012, 08:34:38 AM
Forgot the awesomely melodic Atlantis Shrine

Castlevania Bloodlines - Stage 2 [Genesis] Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJsfwHObvw#ws)
This version is better IMO

castlevania circle of the moon Ost-Sinking Old Sanctuary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RaZtKUt4MA#)

The sound quality is kinda poor though since it's on GBA.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Sumac on June 28, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
Bloodlines have one of the best OSTs in the series, rivaling SCV4 itself. I mean its good not only in composition quality, but in how all the tracks fit the levels and have the kind of the same  atmosphere, something that even ROB and SOTN didn't had, IMO.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Neobelmont on June 28, 2012, 04:53:23 PM
This version is better IMO

castlevania circle of the moon Ost-Sinking Old Sanctuary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RaZtKUt4MA#)

The sound quality is kinda poor though since it's on GBA.

This version is better pimpy ( This was the first time I heard it when I was a child fell in great love with it, and in my opinion the best version even better than bloodlines)


CastleVania ~ Legacy of Darkness Soundtrack ~ Art Tower ~ The Sinking Old Sanctuary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRrJQiYR5Gw#)
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on June 28, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
Gotta love the Legacy of Darkness version.  Primo arrangement.
Title: Re: Konami should bring back Michiru Yamane
Post by: pimp dracula on June 29, 2012, 10:50:13 AM
The only one who can match Yamane's masterpieces is Final Fantasy's Nobuo Uematsu. Too bad he is tied with Square Enix and I don't want him to leave there either.

It would be a dream if these two teamed up.

If Konami can somehow pull a string on recruiting Uematsu, I'd definitely shit my pants. Uematsu on CV scoring? Kinda crazy.