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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Mooning Freddy on September 16, 2007, 08:25:05 AM
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Since some one opened a topic about a game being overrated, in a more optimistic way, how about a topic of games that are underrated, but you still really like them?
By underrated, I do not mean only "most people think those games suck", I also mean games that are overall good in the ratings, but nobody ever heard of.
Oh, and no Castlevania games, please, this isn't CV discussion.
For my choice, I would like to recommend a GBA game called Tactic Ogre: Knight of Lodis.
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This game belong to a quite rare game genre, that could be best defined as "Strategy RPG". For those familiar with the Fire Emblem series, this game plays similarly, but in my opinion, is much better. The gameplay is a chess-board-like turn by turn movement on the battle scene, where height and obstacles, and basically the whole battle-scene has an important role in determining the flow of the battle, it's length, and even the outcome. Whether it's in the mountains, where flying characters have an advantage, in towns, where archers could be positioned on roofs to gain an advantage, or in open areas, where the quicker of the characters could strike the hardest. As you advance through the game, you could see that RPG elements are even more important, deciding between victory or defeat. The game has a surprisingly wide variety of classes your characters could gain, from warriors to knights, minor and major wizards, priests, archers, ninjas, and even classes as special as Dragon-slayers and Leeches. There are special classes for male and female characters (ex: Witches, Valkyries for females, Warlocks, beastmasters for males), and if that is not enough for you, there are also many special races along the game: fairies, beasts and dragons, hawkmen (powerful warriors, very useful to have one on your side), mermaids, undead, demons and angels, and many others. And all of them (almost) could join your ranks and help you in battle.
So I give the gameplay 9/10, a really good one in my opinion.
And haven't even said a word about the storyline... The story is... AMAZING. Just amazing. A whole world uncovers before the player, with it's history and secrets, wars and enmities. Every character has its own quest and its own story to tell you, as you discover more and more of the story of the island the game happens on. The story is very nonlinear, allowing you to make decisions, and options to change the path you are taking very often, what would ultimately decide the ending you would receive when you complete the game (and there are plenty of them)
Go throughout the whole game, and you'll get the opportunity to fight a fallen angel, disappointed with god and loathing humanity. There is even a romance story inside the game between you, the main character ("Alfonse"), and a girl who saved your life named Eleanor.
The story gets 10/10.
The graphics in the game are really not bad, even excellent for a GBA game. I give them 8/10. I cannot rate the music, but I can say that it's very nice as well, creating the right atmosphere in the game.
In conclusion, if you are an RPG fan and have yet to play the game, do it. It would be PRICELESS for you.
If you are not, play it nevertheless. In my opinion, best game made for the GBA. I have absolutely no idea why such a piece of gaming art doesn't have a sequel and is so unknown among RPG fans.
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If you like that then maybe military madness on the Duo would be your cup of tea also? I think its on the VC now too.
My favourite underrated game?
I havent had an Amiga in years but i remember playing a game called Revenge of the mutant camels , developed by Rob Hubbard at Llamasoft ( he's done space Giraffe on Xbox live arcade ) it was a side scrolling shooter where you played as a camel and had a Goat sidekick that was used vaguely like R-types Force pods. you'd shootpost boxes and all sorts of crazy enemies though it wasnt realy like parodius.
It's been so long i cant explain it all too well but thats my vote right there. I also vote Parasol stars as a good game people dont remember.
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Legacy of Kain Series..... people might know about it but its definitely not known enough.... the gameplay isn't that great but the story still makes you want to go on, and the Voice acting is phenominal.
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I've played through this game 2 times now, working on my third. This is one of the best games I've every played in my life, and is severely underated because it came out at the exact same time as Half-Life 2 did.
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I've played through this game 2 times now, working on my third. This is one of the best games I've every played in my life, and is severely underated because it came out at the exact same time as Half-Life 2 did.
Completly agree on that. Though they had a contract with valve that they couldn't release it before half-life2 since they used the source engine for it. Still it's a masterpiece you can play this game over and over again and you will keep on finding new things you didn't notice before. It's one of the best games of this generation I might add.
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Indigo Prophecy (Fahrenheit in Japan and Europe) for PC, PS2, and Xbox. AO version is available for PC download. Made by the same guys who made "Omikron" on Dreamcast.
Best way I can describe this game is "Interactive Drama" or "Paranormal Thriller". BEST storyline I've ever seen in a game, incredible characters, and while the graphics aren't the absolute best the PS2's seen, they're still impressive, and in-game facial expressions alone are amazing.
Lot of controversy surrounding this game, too. Its original name "Fahrenheit" was changed to "Indigo Prophecy" in America because it came out around the time Fahrenheit 9/11 came out. Also, the little adult content it had (two sex scenes, one of which was interactive) had to be edited out because of the Hot Coffee scandal, happening around the time of the game's release. The two scenes were later added in in Fahrenheit "Indigo Prophecy" Director's Cut, available for PC download, rated AO.
Game starts off very serious, CSI-Drama like, but quickly turns into some Sci-fi Fantasy, but the transition is great. Action scenes are played out with the analog sticks in a "Simon Says/DDR" fashion in which players are essentially acting out entire cutscenes which may run as long as six to ten minutes. There's four main characters and you play as every one of them as their stories interlock with one another.
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Agent Armstrong for PSX.With a rating of 49% but i have realy enjoy that game.Also i like Ogre Battle for SNES.
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In Reply To #5
I've been wanting to play that, but I never got a chance to. And I hear the story is..... quite unique.
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Einhdaner, Wild 9. Twisted Metal Black, Brave Fencer Musashi, just to name a few.
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Mainly NES games, but meh...
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The two I could think of, off the top of my head.
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FTW! =D Amazingly awesome NES game. Weird as fuck but absolutely awesome. The sequel on Genesis blows tho.
For me one Monster World IV. It was only released in japan on the Genesis but you can find translated roms and its a VERY fun platform kinda rpg. I wanna play it on my DS but the only genesis emulators I can find for DS suck ass.
A game Ive said CV could take a few hints from ever since it came out is Nosferatu The Wrath of Malachi. Came out a few years ago out of no where basically. Its set in the in the Dracula kinda timeframe and you play a guy whos gotta rescue his family from vampires and other things in this bigass castle/mansion thats completely randomly generated every new game. Not only does it have a random house every time you start a new game so its always different but it also puts your family members in different areas every time and when the game starts a timer starts to count down per family member and if you dont save em in time theyre killed. Its very time sensitive as in if you dont save certain members you miss out on good items and help and stuff. Like if you save your dog before hes killed hell help you fight.
Very good game and its scared me more times than ANY game Ive ever played. CV could take some very good notes of how to do full 3d games from this. I try to play it every year around Halloween I recommend anyone to play it everytime a thread like this comes up but good luck findin it. Sadly it entirely bombed and I never even saw it in a retail store.
Im sure I can think of more Im just drawin a blank atm.
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Einhdaner
You probably mean "Einhander" for PSX? (one-handed in German)
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Best Shoot-them-up game I've ever played. Best graphics I've ever seen in a game of this genre (the backgrounds are 3D, even though the movement is limited to 2D). The bosses you have to face are simply HUGE, while the gameplay is as simple as in any classic SHMUP.
The game is half in English, half in Japanese, but that's not the best part. The best part is that all the in-game enemy voices and background text are entirely in German. You feel as if you're playing the game in a futuristic Germany. Crazy! But really cool.
BLASTER MASTER?! Is that the game where you play as this weird-ass automobile, and if you get out you're this tiny little man, and have to perform various missions? DAMN that game was interesting when I was a kid. ::)
As for Wrath of Malachi, didn't like this game. Was too hard for me. Zombies and undead are attacking you out of no-where, and there are not enough health-kits. And you don't even have a firing-weapon at the beginning... I deleted this game after like, one hour of play.
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Number Munchers = hours of fun
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BLASTER MASTER?![/b] Is that the game where you play as this weird-ass automobile, and if you get out you're this tiny little man, and have to perform various missions? DAMN that game was interesting when I was a kid.
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Wow, I haven't seen number munchers since prolly 2nd grade! I got in trouble once back in the day for typing my name as "You Suck" when I got the top score in the class. Good times.
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Number Munchers = hours of fun
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Dude number munchers kicked ass.
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that game is sooooo not under rated. and yea it owned.
Super Solver games are awesome too.
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Demon's Crest. My favorite of the Gargoyle's Quest series, and EASILY the best game within the Ghosts'n Goblins universe. Unfortunately, Capcom didn't really advertise it and just left it to die, even though it's one of the greatest games ever made.
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Cybernator (Assault Suits Valken in Japan) is also a pretty unknown and underrated game. For those familiar with Metal Warriors, this is the game that LucasArts stole all their ideas from for MW. It's Grade A material, folks.
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Demon's Crest. My favorite of the Gargoyle's Quest series, and EASILY the best game within the Ghosts'n Goblins universe. Unfortunately, Capcom didn't really advertise it and just left it to die, even though it's one of the greatest games ever made.
Good games yes but I like Gargoyles Quest on the old GB better.
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OH! Just thought of one! Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy.
The game didn't get a lot of hoopla but it's totally fun. Havoc engine powered physics, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, mind control, loads of guns and, hell, you can even use your mental powers to make your enemies' heads explode!
Not to mention the crazy co-op mode where two players control the same character (one controls movement and weapons while another wields the psi-powers)
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Number Munchers = hours of fun
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Wow! That brings me back...life was simple then....er anyway.
....cant think of a game now. ill contribute later.
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Damn I can't believe Number Munchers was brought up!
Mine would probably have to be that Castle Of Dragon game on the NES. It's cool, slightly weird, and I've never gotten too far in it, but it's a great side scroller action game.
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Landstalker!
Sega's answer to Zelda is hardly ever mentioned anywhere. I think it's out on Virtual Console by now, and people should really play through this at least once. Don't expect a Zelda-esque cakewalk though. This game is very unforgiving at times, but still my favourite action RPG next to ALttP.
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Shinobi PS2!
Wasn't recieved very well when it first came out, and is often accused of being too hard for it's own good. But the game is excellent. Also, the sequel Nightshade while not as interesting, plays pretty much the same and is also absolutely underrated IMO.
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I forgot about Shinobi! Awesome game.. it has probably one of the hardest final bosses ever. They need to make a true sequel to this
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Never played the PS2 games, but I have been enjoying the arcade and Genesis Shinobi games. Beat the three for Genesis as well as the very original for arcade.
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I tried to play Shinobi again the other day, but some of the level design is just...bad. I second the vote for Demon's Crest. And the most underrated game I've ever played is...Metal Gear Solid for Game Boy Color. Well, as far as reviews go, it's actually one of the highest rated games of all-time, with an average score of 95.9%. So, why has nobody ever heard of this game? Why is it never on any top 100 lists? Perhaps people just expected a cheap cash in or an attempt at an 8 bit port of the PSone game (due to the identical name), but it is neither! It is an all new chapter in the MGS series (albeit a sidestory) and the most impressive and complete portable game I have ever played. A lengthy campaign with an intriguing story, over 150 VR missions, three alternate missions for each of the 13 'stages', an excellent soundtrack, and even multiplayer! It is lightyears beyond anything else that was available on the GBC and still well beyond almost any portable title out there today. Hell, I think it's better than any of the console MGS games.
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In Reply To #27
Yes, it is pretty awesome. Never managed to beat the second last boss I don't think. It's amazing how faithful it is to the original MGS. I still like all 3 Solid titles better though.
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Psi Ops was pretty fun but multiplayer was just a pain in the butt if you ask me. I couuldn't get used to it at all.
As for Shinobi, I dont really think its underrated, ........ since i've talked to quite a few people and people know it... but iunno.
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As for Shinobi, I dont really think its underrated, ........ since i've talked to quite a few people and people know it... but iunno.
Of course people know about it - It's Shinobi!
But the game recieved some mediocre reviews when it was released, and if you ever mention 3D ninja action people automatically say Ninja Gaiden, not Shinobi. It's a shame, but I guess the game isn't for everyone.
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I just purchased Ninja Gaiden Sigma for ps3, & the game is awesome.. kinda what a Shinobi 2 should be like.
On the topic of Ninjas, another underrated game I think is Strider 2 for ps-x. They fucked up by adding unlimited continues.. but the game itself is still fun. It mixes 2D sprites with 3D visuals:
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An enhanced port of this game will be greatly appreciated!!
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STRIDER! I want to play it but i never got a chance to...
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In Reply To #32
I never got to play that one either. I wanted to tho maybe I can find an iso
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They fucked up by adding unlimited continues..
Haha, yeah. I think everyone beat this game in their very first sitting. Without the continues the game would've been impossible though, cause you die A LOT.
It's a fantastic action/platformer and one of my favourites ever.
Not to be confused with Strider 2 on the genesis though :(
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I should fire up Strider on MAME and play it through. I played a little bit a couple of weeks ago and it's pretty fun.
As for Strider 2, I think it's originally an arcade game, so I'll hafta find the ROM for that as well.
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If we're talking about NES games that kicked ass, I've gotta mention Ikari warriors 3 (or Ikari III).
That's a horizontal Shoot-them-up (most of the time beat-'em-up) game where you play a Rambo-like shirtless fighter, and have to fight through an army of enemy soldiers in order to save some girl (probably a President's daughter).
The level designs are really nice and varied, and so are the bosses. In the first level you would have to destroy a tank, and one of the final bosses is a heavily-armored train.
I don't know if to call this game easy or hard, because, because you only have one life in the game and die rather easily, but you have infinite continues, and continue from the very same point where you died. :-X
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Best Underrated game?
Chulip. Effin' Chulip. God, this game is eccentric heaven. I'll send a kiss via Paypal to anyone here who played this game. And liked it, obviously. If you didn't..
*readies Wing Smash*
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Resident Evil
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Red Ninja? Thats the hot lil chic with the cord weapon isnt it? Ive always wanted her outfit for Oblivion.
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My favorite underrated game... Hmm.... That's a toughie.
It's either "No One Lives Forever" or "Thief: Deadly Shadows".
Both games are pretty awesome, especially Thief, mostly and largely due to the fact is has one of the scariest levels I have ever played through in video gaming. I've hid under my bed, pulled the plug on my computer, and had more heart attacks than you can imagine because of that level.
I made myself feel like playing through it again now...
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red ninja chic is HAWT
will post nude pics later
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blaster master is sweet to the taste
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meh, Red Ninja was pretty boring imo. The controls also annoyed me.
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But teh hotness...
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Escape from Monkey Island. I seem to recall it getting a lot of flak for not being as good as the previous installments. I thought it was a great game. I like to replay it sometimes. I also wish they would make another one in the same style.
James Bond 007: Nightfire. It got some criticism for being too short, which I understand. The multiplayer is one feature I frequently go back to. I like the guided missles. I think the game has lots of fun replay value, which for me counts the most.
I don't think its considered underated since it has gotten a lot of spotlight, but I think Shadow of the Colossus is one of the greatest games I have ever played.
Going old school: Elite and Mean Streets. Two of my all-time favorites.
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I found Shinobi on the PS2 to be tedious.
Clive Barker's Undying is pretty good though.
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The game originally came out in 1999 for Japan. It wasn't until 2002 when Arc the Lad Collection was released to the US with the first, second, third, and Monster Tournament(one player/multiplayer game compatable only with data from the second game.)
This is before the series went to the PS2 and became total shit. Arc the Lad Twilight of Spririts and Arc the Lad End of Darkness suck.
Anyways. The original Arc the Lad also came with the package and it's actually worth playing as a prelude to the story. The first game, sorry to say, sucks in comparison to most games like this, and is absolutely terrible if you compare it to the second game, but just like the Suikoden series, you can convert your data over to it, and the characters from the first game will be higher leveled when you meet them midway into the game.
For Arc the Lad 2 it seems the developers took a page out of the Lufia 2 handbook. The first title is pretty much a piece of crap, but the second title is literally the most well developed sequel ever(prequel in the case of Lufia 2.) Arc the Lad 2 surpasses Lufia 2 in this respect.
For the gameplay. Each character can equip certain weapons. Elc for example can equip Swords and Spears, while Shu can equip Boots, Shotguns, and Machine Guns, giving them a different range of attacks. Characters get better with weapons the more they use them, which is what gives them an increase in accuracy.
Weapons themselves will end up starting on level 1, possibly maxing out at level 8, depending on the weapon. Using the weapons will increase their attack power mainly, although some weapons will give an increase in the other stats, and others will even cause status effects as well. Armor and Accessories level up just like weapons, but mainly give defense and other bonus attributes.
There's the main storyline(which is amazing,) but then the game actually has the Hunter's Guild. The guild is introduced at the very beginning of the game with Elc taking a job, but that's only through the storyline. Close to the beginning of the game you'll be able to go to the Hunter's Guild and accept jobs yourself(like in Phantasy Star 4.) The Hunter's Guild is nothing more than a huge sidequest, though although it's not connected to the main storyline, it gives a little bit of side story. Pretty much though. Skip the Hunter's Guild and you're missing out on half of the game.
Aside from the Hunter's Guild. There's a tournament held in Niedel, a 50 floor dungeon that's on the original game, but also expanded to where you can go further down once you complete a certain hidden sidequest, and multiple ancient cave dungeons in which you really don't need to go inside other than collecting equipment and special units for a character named Diekbeck(who gains no levels but gains stats and can use skills based on the units he equips.)
Like mentioned above, there's also Monster Tournament. It's an sortof a seperate game from Arc the Lad 2 in which you load your data into. There's a character named Lieza who you capture monsters from the main game and can use here. There's a tournament mode in which you see how many battles in a row you can survive, a versus battle mode between two players, and a versus battle mode against a group of computer opponents. For each computer opponent and two battles in the tournament you win, a treasure will be unlocked, with the treasure depending on the mode. Win against all the computer opponents and you'll unlock the ability to use your regular characters and a second set of harder computer opponents(and then a bit of storyline starts.) The more you train and better you get, the more story and extra bonus' you unlock in the Monster Tournament.
Anyways. Amazing game. Though not my favorite, the game is my second favorite game of all time and a very underrated game which most people haven't played. Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together is my favorite game, another underrated game though not as much as AtL2 because alot of people do enjoy it as one of the best tactical RPGs ever created.
Other underrated games would be Brigandine Legend of Forsena, Brigandine Grand Edition, the Wild ARMs series, Mobile Suit Gundam Encounters in Space, and Mobile Suit Gundam Federation vs. Zeon.
-andrew- -kupomogli-
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dude kupo...
whats up
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I say either Shadowgate or American McGee's Alice. Shadowgate is the ultimate point n' click adventure game, but I like the warped and creepy feel of Alice.
Jorge is teh shiznit.
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In Reply To #49
That's my signature actually.
-andrew- -kupomogli-
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hes allright
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I know, I was agreeing with you.
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Don't you mean disagreeing. I said he's the sux0rz.
-andrew- -kupomogli-
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u just trying to hide that ur so horny for him by sayin he sux and stuff but i know u get boners over him n' shit
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I found Shinobi on the PS2 to be tedious.
wat
The controls are kinda quirky but I still thought it was fun (has one of the hardest bosses ever). I still wanna try Kunoichi/Nightshade, the sequel/spinoff.
just trying to hide that ur so horny for him by sayin he sux and stuff but i know u get boners over him n' shit
wat
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In Reply To #53
What are you talking about?
u just trying to hide that ur so horny for him by sayin he sux and stuff but i know u get boners over him n' shit
Ah, Jorge has that effect on people.
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Has anyone said Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse yet...because that game was pretty friggin cool.
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Was that availble for the Genesis? It sounds familiar...
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Wasnt it NES? I used to play Micky Mouse game all the time on NES it was really good cant remember if it was that or not. That and Duck Tales but who can forget Duck Tales... definitely not underrated.
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Well, I really do remember a Mickey Mouse game for the Genesis...I think the plot went that some witch or something kidnaps Minnie and Mickey goes out packin' heat to get his broad back.
And yes, Duck Tales is one of the better platformers I've played. Good times...the cartoon was great as well.
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I still have DuckTales for my nes!!
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In Reply To #61
I've got Duck Tales also. Game kicks ass.
-andrew- -kupomogli-
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Not really underrated, but went unnoticed (what few reviews it did recieve were very high), but this game DEMANDS a stateside release, and America doesn't show this series enough love in general:
YS ~ THE OATH IN FELGHANA ~
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A remake of "Ys 3" only it wipes the floor with that game completely. Unforgettable nonstop old-school action mixed with simple but fun RPG character development -- not to mention one of the most professional and fully-realized soundtracks in the history of gaming. Bosses are ruthless and there are many of them. Art is beautiful and story simple but very effective.
A true action RPG masterpiece that should put Falcom's name on the map. Now that there's an amazing English fan translation, there's no excuse not to experience this looked over gem.
This game tramples YS 3 into the past where it belongs, yet it's very faithful to the original regardless. It's the truest vision of that outing in the YS universe, and it's by far the finest "Ys" to date.
It's seriously one of my favorite games of all time.
I wrote a review for it and gave it a 9.5/10.
SEE IT TO BELIEVE IT! (This amazing trailer says it all)
(SONG: VALESTINE CASTLE)
http://www.falcom.com/download/movie/ysf_demoweb.wmv
LISTEN TO THIS!:
BE CAREFUL!
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF008.wma
SEAL OF TIME
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF020.wma
ILVERNS RUINS
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF010.wma
SEARING STRUGGLE
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF011.wma
CHOP !!
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF031.wma
MY DEAR BROTHER
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF027.wma
SHOCK OF DEATH
http://www.falcom.com/cd/MP/ysF013.wma
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oooooooo nice colours
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Well, I really do remember a Mickey Mouse game for the Genesis...I think the plot went that some witch or something kidnaps Minnie and Mickey goes out packin' heat to get his broad back.
Yep, thats the one.
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wat
The controls are kinda quirky but I still thought it was fun (has one of the hardest bosses ever). I still wanna try Kunoichi/Nightshade, the sequel/spinoff.
It wouldn't have been that bad if that hadn't put so much emphasis on tates. Having to do those repeatedly got old.
Two nes games to try are Shatterhand, a decent platform game, and Nightshade, a point and click adventure type game.
I remember a game for the Genesis where you played Donald Duck called Quackshot. That was pretty fun from what I can remember from it.
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Guardian Legend for the NES. Never got enough love.
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No sir it did not. I love this game. Never beat it tho but its a damn good game.
I love how its like action/rpg and shooter all in one.
Another really underrated game I just thought of is Festers Quest on NES really fun kinda quirky game. A lot like Blaster Master just without the tank.
Shatterhand always made me think of Terminator because of the coverart =D
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In Reply To #66
Guardian Legend for the NES.
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That and Duck Tales but who can forget Duck Tales... definitely not underrated.
OMG is Duck Tales that game where you have to play uncle Skruge and travel around the world and there is this one level on a pirate ship and another on this Hawaiian land OMG NOSTALGIA attack!! :(
-120 HP
*dies"
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It reminds me Alundra. I wanted the psp version but it suffers from big loading times. Also this one for the pc is in Japanese so i don't think that i'll enjoye it if i get it.
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Not really underrated, but went unnoticed (what few reviews it did recieve were very high), but this game DEMANDS a stateside release, and America doesn't show this series enough love in general:
YS ~ THE OATH IN FELGHANA ~
Yay! Ys!
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This game is da bessst
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It's an adventure game sort of like Monkey Island only all the interaction is through casting spells or "drafts" by weaving together musical notes.
The story is freak'n original and engrossing. GOD I love this game..
GO PLAY LOOM DAMN IT!