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Title: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Crazy Eight on July 12, 2012, 02:59:51 PM
In the latest issue of Nintendo Power, one of the editors briefed over the history of the Castlevania series and of it's themes. It seems pretty interesting, however, the only Castlevania game I ever played was Super Castlevania 4.

Jumping into the series head first and blindsided, I began with Aria of Sorrow- and loved it.  However, I still want to play a good majority of  the series.

Sooo.....  Which Castlevanias would you recommend- and are any games in the series particularly difficult to get a hold of?   



Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Mystic Myotis on July 12, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Castlevania.
III: Dracula's Curse.
Bloodlines.
Dracula X Chronicles. (or Rondo for the PC and SotN for the PS1)
Circle of the Moon.
Harmony of Dissonance.
Dawn of Sorrow.
Portrait of Ruin.
Order of Ecclesia.
Adventure Rebirth.
Lament of Innocence.

... are all worth a go, imo. Then try the other games in the series (the GB games, Simon's Quest, Legacy of Darkness, Curse of Darkness, etc) if you still aren't satisfied.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on July 12, 2012, 03:35:42 PM
Well I would have said play Super Cv 4, but you already did. I would say play Symphony of the Night and give Lords of Shadow a shot if that's your thing, that way you get what's probably the best classic, "Metroidvania" and 3D game in the series. Also check out CV1, and CV 3 for NES. Aria of Sorrow is a good one too
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: uzo on July 12, 2012, 04:24:47 PM
the only Castlevania game I ever played was Super Castlevania 4.

You got a great start. Try out the ever popular Symphony of the Night too.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Crazy Eight on July 12, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
Gaawa-chan, UZO and Profbeanburrito, thanks for the suggestions.

I guess I'll buy SotN off ebay and replay SCV4 in order to prime myself for the classics.  I've heard Dracula's Curse was a killer :x
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on July 12, 2012, 04:29:27 PM
Well you have already played one of the greatest CV games out there that is Super Castlevania 4.

But others I would recommend that you play in order from great to good is,

1.Castlevania Symphony of the Night
2.Castlevania Aria of Sorrow
3.Castlevania 3 Dracula's curse
4.Castlevania Order of Ecclesia
5.Castlevania Circle of the Moon
6.Castlevania Legacy of Darkness
7.Castlevania 2 Simon's Quest
8.Castlevania Lament of Innocence
9.Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
10.Castlevania Adventure Rebirth
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Lumi Kløvstad on July 12, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Symphony of the Night

Lament of Innocence

Castlevania 1

Castlevania 3



All of those offer something of the series that I would consider the best.

Symphony is the best rounded game in the series. Lament has some of the best music and story the franchise has to offer. Castlevania 1 is the original, and still one of the best, and Castlevania 3 largely improves on Castlevania 1, but does fall flat on it's face on rare occasions. If nothing else, play it for the first meeting between Alucard and the Belmonts and the legendary first battle between Dracula and a Belmont in the official timeline.

After you play those, I'd recommend Legacy of Darkness and Circle of the Moon, which are the best non-canon games out there in my opinion, and both display Castlevania's best and worst attributes.

Then you can play Lords of Shadow and try to not get swept up in the whole dispute about it "being a Castlevania game" or not. It's at least worth a rent.


Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Thomas Belmont on July 12, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
You should play them in the order they were released. I think you'll appreciate each game more that way.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Kaori on July 12, 2012, 06:35:39 PM
I would recommend:
Castlevania (NES)
Castlevania III (NES)
Symphony of the Night (PSX)
Dracula X Chronicles (also known as Rondo of Blood) (PSP/Wii Virtual Console/PC-Engine)

Those along with Super Castlevania 4 I consider to be the best in the series. I personally think each Castlevania game holds it's own unique experience though, and in my opinion, all of them should be played. However, I listed you my personal favorites. The newest Castlevania game, Lords of Shadow is worth a shot too. I personally don't like Lords of Shadow, but I think you should at least try it so you can see if you are interested in it's sequels that will be released in the future (Mirror of Fate and Lords of Shadow 2).



Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Ratty on July 12, 2012, 06:58:52 PM
You should play them in the order they were released. I think you'll appreciate each game more that way.

Not a bad suggestion.

Crazy Eight - If you're wanting to play the ClassicVanias as well as the MetroidVanias and the only one you've played so far is SCIV, my most important piece of advice to you would be prepare to die, a lot.
SCVIV is almost certainly the easiest old school ClassicVania. Part of the fun of the older games is their insane difficulty. You will die on many screens until you absolutely master them. Classicvanias are at their best an extreme test of your reflexes, your memory, your attention and your patience. It's a triumphant old school feeling every time you beat an area you were stuck on, to say nothing of finally beating the whole game.

My recommendations are-

Symphony of the Night (PS1)
Circle of the Moon (GBA)
Castlevania (NES)
Castlevania III (NES)

Those should be good for a start.
I think "Legacy of Darkness" is probably the best 3D game, but it is an N64 exclusive and difficult to find, especially if you want the box and manual. I once saw a boxed copy with the strategy guide sell for over $100 on ebay, no joke. Though I waited and shopped around and got them both for much less.

As for other rare games, Rondo of Blood (Japan only PC Engine game) Dracula X for the Super Nintendo and Castlevania Legends are the most notable ones. Dracula X is a quasi-remake/port of Rondo for the Super Nintendo. Rondo is pretty universally considered the better game though, being a popular contender for "Best Classicvania". "Symphony of the Night", probably most often considered the "Best Metroidvania" in the series, is a direct sequel to Rondo by the way. Both Rondo and Symphony are available on the PSP "Dracula X Chronicles" but are better served by a full sized screen imo.

Legends was the first instance of a lead/main female protagonist in the series, as well as the canon origin story before "Lament of Innocence" came along. Said origin is somewhat controversial as it implies that the Belmonts are descended from Dracula by way of Alucard, which I think is a great idea but ymmv.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Bloodreign on July 13, 2012, 05:14:23 AM
The only CV that may set you back some cash is either an original SotN print, or CV Chronicles on the PS1. Last time I saw a copy of Chronicles for PS1, they wanted $45 for it, since I already had the US and PAL versions, I naturally  passed on it.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: uzo on July 13, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
I feel incredibly sorry for the poor guy who buys Legacy of Darkness for 100$ on eBay.

Hell, I felt ripped off picking it up in the bargain bin for 5$ at GameStop. That game is terrible.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: e105beta on July 13, 2012, 07:06:37 AM
Rondo of Blood isn't a rarity anymore if you have a Wii. Just buy it on Virtual Console.

Likewise, if you have a PSP you can just grab Dracula X Chronicles. IMO, that's probably the best place to start as it gives you 2 games and a remake in one package, and they're all excellent games.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: KyleVoakes on July 13, 2012, 10:43:58 AM
I think it'll depend on what you prefer to play.

If you like the more typical platformers with linear stages like Megaman/Contra, then I'd suggest you start with Castlevania: Dracula X (SNES). As much as I want to say SCV4, you'll need some experience with only being able to whip forward to appreciate the 8-directional whipping in SCV4. Plus, if you manage to beat Dracula X, you're ready for anything.

If you like the more open world, ARPG levelling system like Diablo or something similar to Zelda/Metroid, then I'll begin with Aria of Sorrow (GBA). It's easy enough at first to suck you in, and the variety of equipment/skill combinations has a nice range of detail/power. You start with just a simple blade, but after a while, you get stuff more along the lines of magic two-handed spears, golden axes, and guns.

Edit: Silly me, not paying close enough attention! You're already on the right track with Aria of Sorrow! Okay, so next up, if you enjoyed that, go with Symphony of the Night or Portrait of Ruin. Circle of the Moon is one of the harder Metroid-Vania games, and don't bother with Harmony of Dissonance.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: X on July 13, 2012, 10:53:03 AM
I say play 'em all. But don't just wait to get a specific game, just play the first one you get then move on to the next. You've got over twenty titles to try out so don't limit yourself, give them all a shot. If there are some games that you cannot get then you can always do the Emulator thing. It'll save you on money that's for sure.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Ratty on July 14, 2012, 08:25:10 AM
I feel incredibly sorry for the poor guy who buys Legacy of Darkness for 100$ on eBay.

Hell, I felt ripped off picking it up in the bargain bin for 5$ at GameStop. That game is terrible.

I actually think it's one of the best games in the series, but different strokes for different folks. I really dislike "Harmony of Dissonance", finding the music grating and the castle both confusing and boring at the same time. But hey that game is on several people's must-try lists in this very thread. Maybe I was just expecting too much after the great "Circle of the Moon" or I played the game at a bad time. In any case, to each their own.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: uzo on July 15, 2012, 07:39:03 AM
I actually think it's one of the best games in the series

Try worst game in the franchise hands down (presuming you count CV64 as the same game, since it was basically the same game with an added couple of bits). It is undoubtedly the Castlevania game with the worst controls and camera in the entire franchise history, that has come from Konami itself. It's borderline unplayable.

I've made an honest effort to try and play the game, in an attempt to finish it, for research purposes to see if there was anything they did right amidst this abomination. Fifteen tries later, I still couldn't push myself through this sloggy, unplayable, disaster of a game. No amount of musical, atmospheric, or never implemented conceptual wonder can gloss over the game's beyond terrible gameplay, which lets face it, is the most important part of a game.

I would recommend that newcomers simply forget it exists and move on. Their time, and potentially money, wasted in obtaining the game would be better served in procuring someone to punch them in the face. The end result is about the same feeling afterwards.

This is a game so bad that Koji Igarashi (director of Castlevania Symphony of the Night, in case our newcomer friend is unaware) publicly asked that everyone FORGETS IT EXISTS.

'One of the best in the series'... Hah!
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on July 15, 2012, 10:01:20 AM
I really enjoy CV 64 and Legacy of Darkness, I didn't think it was sluggish, or had bad controls. The camera is a little wonky some times, but not too terrible. 
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Belmont Stakes on July 15, 2012, 01:23:46 PM
Play Castlevania 1, 3, Bloodlines, Chronicles, Drac X Chronicles, SOTN, LOI, COD, LOS and just as a goof play CVII I want to hear your take on it as there is an open topic about it. But no matter what you do Play Castlevania games period. Enjoy :D


Also to X
"I'm not an Atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a Pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages.... The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God." -Albert Einstein.

Great quote on your sig.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Ratty on July 15, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
I really enjoy CV 64 and Legacy of Darkness, I didn't think it was sluggish, or had bad controls. The camera is a little wonky some times, but not too terrible.

Pretty much this. And this is the same IGA who made "HoD" (which I previously mentioned I dislike) and later "Curse of Darkness" making the request you mention, so I won't take his asking me to forget a game I really enjoy as the word of god.
 
The controls were not sluggish and the camera problems in CV64 were pretty well fixed in LoD. You can not like the game if you wish, but you're just wrong in those criticisms. Perhaps you were playing it with the 4MB expansion pack? That's been known to cause slowdown and other problems in LoD amongst other games. Personally I think the N64 titles captured the feel of ClassicVania in 3D near perfectly, and found the gameplay in LoD wonderful.
If you disagree, which you are entitled to do, I see no reason to get so venomous and spiteful about it.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: uzo on July 15, 2012, 03:15:02 PM
The controls were not sluggish and the camera problems in CV64 were pretty well fixed in LoD. You can not like the game if you wish, but you're just wrong in those criticisms.

The character is sluggish, and lumpy. Its not that the game is laggy, its that the characters are slow and unwieldy. The character does not respond well, nor has a good turning speed. Attacks are slow and unfit for combat in 3D environments. LoD still has a shit camera too. Better but still not good. It just has poor implementation overall. But it's just wrong to not like flaws in games. I get ya.

There is no defense for this game.
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: RichterB on July 15, 2012, 04:19:45 PM
PPersonally I think the N64 titles captured the feel of ClassicVania in 3D near perfectly, and found the gameplay in LoD wonderful. If you disagree, which you are entitled to do, I see no reason to get so venomous and spiteful about it.

Amen. I third the notion that Legacy of Darkness (and the N64 era) delivered the best Castlevania in 3D by far.

N64 CV accomplishments:
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Back to the topic at hand, it's hard to say which to play, as each caters to a slightly different type of player, and modern trends may affect one's experience. I would say Castlevania IV, III, Bloodlines, Belmont's Revenge, SotN, Adventure Rebirth, and Dracula X (SNES version) stand out, though. Honestly, you can't go 100% wrong with Castlevania games, so you'll find all sorts of things to like amidst a few painful quirks or awkward turns here and there. I had a serious problem with Nintendo Power dissing the N64 games. They can be rough around the edges, but they are great 3D Castlevania games if you take the time to learn their quirks and get over the technical limitations of the era they were made in. If you do dip into the N64 games, realize that Legacy of Darkness is an expanded reimagining/prequel of CV64. It's the more polished and complete game, with more scope, but it lacks a few of the charms and level designs that were interesting in CV64.

Ordering Castlevania is very, very hard. I'll give it my best shot, but a lot of this will be + or - as far as placement. (Keep in mind that I have not played Order of Ecclesia (DS) or Harmony of Despair (PS3/XBOX360), so I can't rank them). I am judging on an aggregate of overall atmosphere, fun, level design, and gameplay over a number of years, with an eye toward the old-school "core" of the franchise. (I will say that the "Metroid-esque" Castlevanias don't tend to hold up as well on replays as other titles, even if some of those other titles taken by themselves, like Legends, are really pretty poor). Others would rank them differently with different parameters. Currently, off the top of my head, I'd say:

1.) Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
2.) Super Castlevania IV
3.) Castlevania: Dracula X
4.) Castlevania: Bloodlines
5.) Castlevania II (GB): Belmont's Revenge
6.) Castlevania II: Simon's Quest
7.) The Castlevania Adventure
8.) Castlevania (64)
9.) Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
10.) Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth
11.) Castlevania
12.) Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
13.) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
14.) Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
15.) Castlevania: Chronicles
16.) Castlevania: Lament of Innocence
17.) Castlevania: Legends
18.) Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
19.) Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
20.) Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
21.) Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
21.) Castlevania: Judgment
22.) Castlevania: Curse of Darkness
23.) Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
Title: Re: Newcomer: Which CV games to play first?
Post by: Ratty on July 15, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
There is no defense for this game.

N64 CV accomplishments:
*Multiple unique characters (up to four in LoD, two in CV64) with alternate levels/bosses
*Full 3D gameplay (ala Mario 64, so it's not "on-rails")
*Multiple endings based on performance
*Level Design features spatial depth (vertical and horizontal--not flat hallways)
*day-and-night cycles with time-sensitive events (like Simon's Quest)
*Weather effects (rain, lightning, moving clouds, and "fog"--the last one likely being a graphical shortcoming that actually helped)
*Dynamic, real-time lighting (next to candles, for instance)
*spot-on atmosphere
*death-defying platforming of all sorts (including ledge grabbing).
*environmental/enemy hazards (medusa heads, spikes, guillotines, buzz-saws, cannons).
*innovative survival-horror/suspense elements
*Vampires that pretend to be human and vampires as regular enemies besides bosses
*status changes, including poison and vampirism
*manageable questing with inventory items (meat, keys, cards, cure ampules, etc)
*interesting, involving plot (characters like Rosa, Vincent, Renon, Malice, Henry, etc)
*3D in-game cinemas
*Some voicing
*Unlockable alternate costumes
*Long and short-ranged attacks (IE: whip + sword)
*upgradable sub-weapons (in LoD)
*There is a useful slide and duck/crawl play mechanic
*Diverse mix of old and new enemies in 3D

Seems like RichterB has given a good listing of the positive qualities of the N64 titles. I wouldn't say they need "defense" as such. If you didn't have fun with them fine, but there are others who did. And while you are an exception, most of the common criticisms toward LoD in particular seem to stem from those who have either never played it, or not played it for very long. Though CV64 has it's share of those to, like a lot of people thinking you can't save in CV64 because the AVGN said it.

The 64 titles had the misfortune to follow Symphony of the Night, after which the mass audiences perception of what "Castlevania" itself is shifted. And therefore when a Classicvania rather than a Metroidvania in 3D was released it was a disappointment to many who had just jumped on the fan/fadwagon. Console wars and all. "My Castlevania is better than yours!" "N64 isn't a real Castlevania, like SOTN!" etc. This, along with the fact that the original release of CV64 was rushed, left a lot of N64 owners feeling burned because they didn't get SOTN. And Satan has nothing on a scorched fanboy when it comes to holding grudges.