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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: RichterB on August 06, 2012, 12:20:42 AM
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I am an experienced player of Nintendo franchises since the beginning, more or less. But one I never really delved much into was Kirby, and now the Kirby's Dream Collection is coming out this year, which seems a great celebration of the franchise, and one of the best anniversary gifts I've ever seen. That raises the question, though. What Kirbys are actually worth playing (as a relative newbie). Read on:
I admired Kirby's Dreamland 2 and 3 back in the day, but never played them. The first and only game I played through was Kirby 64, which I found fun and endearing, if a little easy. Since then, I have picked up Kirby's highly touted Kirby Super Star entry for the Wii's VC. Now, I've been playing it with a Gamecube controller, which is frustrating and clunky...but even so, the game feels sort of inane and clunky to me. It certainly has charm, but that's about it. I don't find it any better than Kirby's rival, Starfy, which was finally released in the US a few years back on the DS, and left a good deal to be desired despite a lot of good aesthetics and fundamentals. There are so many options with a helper summon and power stealing that it comes off as both overwhelming and pointless. So, that takes me back to Kirby's Dreamland 2 and Dreamland 3 as my big hopes for enjoying the series. It may be that Kirby isn't for me. I like the idea of the symbiotic animal helpers and Kirby's basic flight, as well as the inhale-and-spit gameplay. The power stealing and/or combining worked well in Kirby 64, but it seems like the idea has been taken too far to the point of distracting or replacing the level design, which I really don't like.
Based on what I've said and your own experiences, what would you say to me?
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I've played a few, the first game for the Famicom is always a good one to get started into Kirby's world. For the Super Nintendo I finished Kirby Super Star and I remember it was a very fun game, some stages were harder than others, I had a hard time with the last one which is like a shooter game and you have to avoid all the obstacles taking as little damage as possible because after it comes the final boss, I played Dreamland 3 too. It's a nice game.
There are a few for the GBA, very good games too. The last one I played was Kirby Mass Attack and loved it.
Above all we're talking about simple plots, cute graphics and music, mini games and puzzles, fun gameplay and different levels of difficulty making the entire series highly replayable. You can go play the Nes game now thinking it's gonna suck for being so old but it's an absorbing game that has aged well.
It's a series focused on entertaining all audiences and I think it delivers that just fine. Each game maintains the right feel but at the same time has it's own detail that makes it different from other titles of the series. When I play Kirby I just do it knowing I'm gonna have fun, I don't like to get dense and start analyzing every simple aspect of the games because that's not always relevant, some games are just meant to be played and enjoyed. Kirby is one of those games.
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They remade Kirby Super Star (SNES) for Nintendo DS and gave the game a lot more features, making that version better than the SNES version.
That version is "Kirby Super Star Ultra" (DS).
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The best.
Kirby Air Ride: City Trial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3faJPne74#)
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Personally, I found Kirby 64 to be the worst title in the series. I love pretty much all of them. If there's any one that would feel inane and pointless now it's the first one for GameBoy, Kirby's Dreamland. It's lack of a power'up system like it's sequels makes it age badly, and this is only compounded by the fact that one of the "mini" games in Kirby Super Star is basically a remake of it. If you liked Kirby 64 you'll probably like KDL3 with it's combination of helpers & powers.
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The Wii collection basically has all of the main titles in the series sans Return to Dream Land, so if you were ever going to give Kirby a chance, that collection will be what makes you a fan or puts you off for good.
You might dig Kirby's Adventure on the NES. There's a very good remake of it on GBA called Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land.
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Yeah you don't really 'have' to play Kirby's Dreamland if you play Kirby Super Star's "Spring Breeze". However, that minigame story doesn't have all of the stages the original had. They should do a full remake of that (maybe that's in Super Star Ultra? I don't have that game).
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This is STILL the most relevant Kirby video I know of.
Kirby is a fucking monster (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkUBmBm8OY#)
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I wish I wasn't a noob on this site, because I would truly love to like or respect or whatever your post, because I know I've seen it somewhere.
Other than Zelda, Kirby is probably my favorite Nintendo franchise, it would have been DK, but Rare selling to Microsoft and no Kremlings put a bad taste in my mouth. I still love DK, but the franchise has lost some of it's integrity because of that.
Sadly that also means there will probably never be just a straight platforming Banjo-Kazooie ever again. :'(
Looked up Bomberman real quick, apparently Konami has had rights to him since just this year? Damn, let's see something! Not sure why I mentioned him, but I feel Kirby and Bomberman have the same level of campiness to them, I view them as sister franchises, and something I'm more apt to like than Mario.
Yes, I like Mario as well, but I haven't touched one since the N64.
Edit: Oh look, now I've done it.
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it would have been DK, but Rare selling to Microsoft and no Kremlings put a bad taste in my mouth. I still love DK, but the franchise has lost some of it's integrity because of that.
You didn't like Donkey Kong Kong Country Returns? I thought that game was great! One of the best platformers in a long while.
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You didn't like Donkey Kong Kong Country Returns? I thought that game was great! One of the best platformers in a long while.
I don't own a Wii, so I can't say I don't like it, but I'm sure I have no problem with the game from what I've seen in gameplay, it's just bullshit that there are no Kremlings anymore.
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What's bigger bullshit is the fact you have to shake the remote to roll/run. Apparently that was at Nintendo's insistence, not something Retro wanted. I hope the Wii U does away with worthless and hindering waggle controls.
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Kirby is GAY. Period.
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If I was able to eat as much as he does and not gain a pound I'd be pretty darn happy too.
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So, was anyone hear lucky enough to snag that Kirby's 25th Anniversary coin off Club Nintendo?
It seemed to have sold out within minutes due to all the people getting extras to sell on eBay.
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I considered getting the Kirby pin just to sell it, I like Kirby games but not enough to waste my Nintendo club points in it, especially since I don't know how well it would sell
Also, I still can't believe Kirby, of all Nintendo games, is getting a collection and Mario got that shitty all stars port and Metroid got nothing
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Also, I still can't believe Kirby, of all Nintendo games, is getting a collection and Mario got that shitty all stars port and Metroid got nothing
That's because Sakamoto destroyed the Metroid franchise. He's kind of a creeper. He's apparently claimed he was once the only person in the world who knows where Samus' birthmark is and also claims to own a special version of Super Metroid where Samus can be seen nude. And that's just outside his "magnum opus" Other M, which is rife with "Samus needs to be an obedient mother and housewife" imagery and subtext which isn't exactly subtle.
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That's because Sakamoto destroyed the Metroid franchise. He's kind of a creeper. He's apparently claimed he was once the only person in the world who knows where Samus' birthmark is and also claims to own a special version of Super Metroid where Samus can be seen nude. And that's just outside his "magnum opus" Other M, which is rife with "Samus needs to be an obedient mother and housewife" imagery and subtext which isn't exactly subtle.
Okay, about that creeper part I cant say nothing (WTF Sakamoto? lol) but they didnt destroyed the franchise, I admit that some parts from Other M are absurd, but you should remember that Samus isnt a robot, since Fusion she shows emotions. The death of the "baby" that turned Samus in a super emotive person in Other M, but that Ridley scene with a Samus stunned and afraid of Ridley simply doesnt make sense.
Another thing that makes the game broken is that "invencible dodge" and the ability to recharge everything, anywhere. I've played the Hard Mode and even so its still easy and Im disappointed that they didnt made a proper battle with Mother Brain.
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I think Spoony summed up how bad Other M was going to be to Samus pretty well. I can't really get into his latest videos but his older stuff is good.
Maybe we should take this Metroid talk to another thread, since I don't want to derail this Kirby thread.
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So how are you all enjoying Kirby's Dream Collection so far?
I really feel that Nintendo poured their heart and soul into it (uncommon for compilations). I especially favor browsing Kirby's History and the small points of wisdom therein.
Did you know, that in 1994 a record-breaking 3,011-pound lolipop was made, and the first genetically engineered tomatoes went on sale?
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Also, I still can't believe Kirby, of all Nintendo games, is getting a collection and Mario got that shitty all stars port and Metroid got nothing
Better than what we got for Castlevania.
I have the game and played it for a bit, but I've been busy with school.
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OK. I acquired the Kirby collection for Wii because I heard it has some bonus content. Gonna try it out and see.
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I will wait for your feedback nippah~
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Love the collection so far, they probably could have easily gotten in more of the side games for GB/GBC and the GBA games, but the New Challenges mode makes up for it by basically being a new game. It plays just like the challenge stages from "Return to Dreamland", but is set up sorta like "Krby's Adventure". I beat the first world. It had 3 stages. Beating them unlocked the Boss Door which was a race against Magolor in the style of the "Gourmet Race" from "Kirby Superstar". The history mode is neat with it's random facts about what was going on during each point in the timeline. Each game has a preview video and if it's playable it looks like you can launch it from right there. Having Said that, It seems that Nintendo probably has code on this disc for GB emulation because it looks like it launches a separate app whenever you start a classic title. When I hit the home button it even had a manual available like any other wad normally does. So this game will probably be very interesting to the wii hacking community. As an anniversary game it's does pretty damn well. This is what all anniversary games should be like. I can imagine a CV anniversary game with all the pre-DS games available and a special Boss Rush mode that let's you choose any protagonist and all the bosses from all the games. That would be sweet... Oh, wait Serio pretty much already did that. Oh well.
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They did it before with Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but not with GB games. So its almost 100% sure that they did a "GB Virtual Console" only for this games, it will be usefuk because its possible to exchange the rom inside the *.wad and in the majority of times it will function perfectly.
Now for me its useless (the method that I explained, not the game), since you can simply download a GBA emulator for Wii and play all this games.
Now about the game, I plan to pick it in a near future since its a real new game, not a SNES game in a DVD (Yes Super Mario All-stars 25th, Im looking at you, they not even updated the copyright in the title screen)
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Now about the game, I plan to pick it in a near future since its a real new game, not a SNES game in a DVD (Yes Super Mario All-stars 25th, Im looking at you, they not even updated the copyright in the title screen)
That is pathetic.
If there is indeed a VC for GB in Kirby then I don't doubt that someone will try to use it to create VC GB injects. It's true you can just use an emulator, but there is just something about having each game in a series all lined up in their own channels that SOME PEOPLE (me + Splatterhouse series) can't resist.
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How are the visuals on the GB games in the collection? I'm worried about blurred graphics.
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I didn't really notice. Looked as blurry as I would expect on the CRT tv I'm currently using.