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Title: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
OK. SO when I herd Michael Bay was doing the new TMNT movie and wanted to make them aliens instead of mutant I asked myself what stick that prick has up his butt for ruining my classic childhood memories. I hope that project never get's off the ground.

In contract I found out last night the the finale of the 2003 cartoon "Turtles Forever" featured a trans-dimentional plot that included both the 1987 series and the original comic. So I downloaded it and watched it. I should note here that I was never a big fan of the 2003 series because I just couldn't get into the idea of The Shredder being an alien resembling Krang. However, the final movie was a perfect example of how to both do a crossover project correctly and how to properly end a series in a way that that give a big "Thank You" to all the fans of all the versions of the series through out the years.

If you're a fan of any of the TMNT series or movies you owe it to yourself to watch "Turtles Forever".
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Phoenix7786 on September 26, 2012, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
OK. SO when I herd Michael Bay was doing the new TMNT movie and wanted to make them aliens instead of mutant I asked myself what stick that prick has up his butt for ruining my classic childhood memories. I hope that project never get's off the ground.

Quote from: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
OK. SO when I herd Michael Bay was doing the new TMNT movie and wanted to make them aliens instead of mutants.

Quote from: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
OK. SO when I herd Michael Bay was doing the new TMNT movie 

Quote from: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
Michael Bay 

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ (http://nooooooooooooooo.com/)

EDIT: Just so I don't totally de-rail this topic, I WILL make a note to watch that since I LOOOOVED the original series as a kid.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 26, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
I don't have anything meaningful to add to this topic, but for my friend who is a fan of the original comic...

"I preferred TMNT when it was a side story to Daredevil."

I'll just let that stew for a bit.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: TheCruelAngel on September 26, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
"I preferred TMNT when it was a side story to Daredevil."

What? Thats not serious is it?
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 26, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19323_6-movie-tv-universes-that-overlap-in-mind-blowing-ways_p2.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_19323_6-movie-tv-universes-that-overlap-in-mind-blowing-ways_p2.html)

I didn't believe it at first, but my buddy is a huge comic buff.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 26, 2012, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: TheCruelAngel on September 26, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
I don't have anything meaningful to add to this topic, but for my friend who is a fan of the original comic...

"I preferred TMNT when it was a side story to Daredevil."

I'll just let that stew for a bit.

In other words, he liked it for all of, oh, five panels or so?

Quote from: Inccubus on September 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
In contract I found out last night the the finale of the 2003 cartoon "Turtles Forever" featured a trans-dimentional plot that included both the 1987 series and the original comic. So I downloaded it and watched it. I should note here that I was never a big fan of the 2003 series because I just couldn't get into the idea of The Shredder being an alien resembling Krang. However, the final movie was a perfect example of how to both do a crossover project correctly and how to properly end a series in a way that that give a big "Thank You" to all the fans of all the versions of the series through out the years.

If you're a fan of any of the TMNT series or movies you owe it to yourself to watch "Turtles Forever".

The movie's pretty sweet. Regarding The Shredder in the 2003 series, well, the series followed the comics fairly close, but they obviously couldn't have done that regarding The Shredder because...he dies in the first issue. The Shredder didn't become a big deal in the overall comic canon until the cartoon came along. And he didn't resemble Krang, more like Krang resembled the Utroms from the comics, whom Krang was modeled after.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
Living and learning haha, thats new to me, about Daredevil and about Shredder not being so important in the first comics.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 26, 2012, 05:42:19 PM
Quote from: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
[...] thats new to me, [...] about Shredder not being so important in the first comics.

He was important for the very existence of the Ninja Turtles, since Splinter trained them fifteen years as ninja to exact revenge. If you've seen the first movie, you pretty much know the origin story of the original comics, since it culls heavily from issues 1, 10, 11, and the Raphael and Leonardo one-shots.

But since Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird thought they'd only ever get an opportunity to make one issue of the TMNT, which they self-published (and continued to do for a long time), they killed off the Turtles' arch nemesis and that was it. From there, other stories developed—and later, the Foot were still an integral part of the stories, and
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I'm actually pleased with the direction the 2003 TV series took in making The Shredder a rebellious and very powerful Utrom. Considering Laird wanted the cartoon to be as close to the original comics as possible, it was a good solution in order to still have The Shredder around in a big way.

Anyway, I'm not hopeful for the upcoming movie, but I am excited for the Nickelodeon cartoon, and the current comic series by IDW is pretty neat. (Haven't followed it in a few months since I decided to just get the trade paperbacks. Cheaper and easier to store/shelve.)
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: darkmanx_429 on September 26, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
What? Thats not serious is it?
That is true, TMNT was born out of 1 panel from the original Daredevil comic basically, what happened if the radioactive ooze that made Matt blind and gave him powers went into the sewer...

More Daredevil connections:
Stick trains Daredevil
Splinter trains the turtles
Daredevil fights the Hand.
The TMNT fight the Foot.
Hand above, Foot below.


And Turtles Forever is GREAT!!!
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Lelygax on September 26, 2012, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Abnormal Freak on September 26, 2012, 05:42:19 PM
He was important for the very existence of the Ninja Turtles, since Splinter trained them fifteen years as ninja to exact revenge. If you've seen the first movie, you pretty much know the origin story of the original comics, since it culls heavily from issues 1, 10, 11, and the Raphael and Leonardo one-shots.

But since Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird thought they'd only ever get an opportunity to make one issue of the TMNT, which they self-published (and continued to do for a long time), they killed off the Turtles' arch nemesis and that was it. From there, other stories developed—and later, the Foot were still an integral part of the stories, and
(click to show/hide)

Ah, so thats why they did that, I dont remember if I have seen the movie, but if I did I was very young. I remember only some scenes that I've seen in Nostalgia Critic almost a year ago.

Quote from: darkmanx_429 on September 26, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
That is true, TMNT was born out of 1 panel from the original Daredevil comic basically, what happened if the radioactive ooze that made Matt blind and gave him powers went into the sewer...
Yeah, thats crazy. xD
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheouAegis on September 26, 2012, 07:36:02 PM
Synopsis here:

http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/Return_to_New_York,_Part_1 (http://tmnt.wikia.com/wiki/Return_to_New_York,_Part_1)

So riveting even in synopsis form.  ;D
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 26, 2012, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: darkmanx_429 on September 26, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
That is true, TMNT was born out of 1 panel from the original Daredevil comic basically, what happened if the radioactive ooze that made Matt blind and gave him powers went into the sewer...

More Daredevil connections:
Stick trains Daredevil
Splinter trains the turtles
Daredevil fights the Hand.
The TMNT fight the Foot.
Hand above, Foot below.

The first issue of TMNT was a parody of several comics. Compare the cover to the first issue of Ronin. There was Frank Miller love all throughout that thing. Also, Shredder was originally named Grateman, named after the titular character of Skateman. (Shredder was first conceptualized by Kevin Eastman when he was living with Peter Laird and his wife; he was doing dishes when he put the cheese grater over his hand and said, "Look! We could do a villain named Grateman!")

The first Turtles issue was a parody with a dedication at the beginning to Frank Miller and Jack Kirby (and ironically sold so well that tons of black-and-white TMNT parody comics were produced, like the Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters). From issue #2 onward, TMNT grew from being an homage/parody work to a full-fledged original story.

The idea to have the canister fall in the sewers was a parodic afterthought, not something where the Turtles creators pondered making something out of the canister and going from there.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheouAegis on September 27, 2012, 05:22:42 AM
Just like maybe 70% of manga these days! Hell, Japan makes multiseason TV series based on nothing but parodies.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: X on September 27, 2012, 09:33:52 AM
Maybe it just me but I feel that Michael Bay is getting way too carries away with this ego of his. TMNT are not aliens nor should they be. It's all in their name: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The man needs to put a serious lock down on "his visions" before he can properly make a good flick. A am a fan of the series as I watched it growing up. Michael Bay is no-doubt going to eff it up in some fashion or another.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Inccubus on September 27, 2012, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: X on September 27, 2012, 09:33:52 AM
Maybe it just me but I feel that Michael Bay is getting way too carries away with this ego of his. TMNT are not aliens nor should they be. It's all in their name: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The man needs to put a serious lock down on "his visions" before he can properly make a good flick. A am a fan of the series as I watched it growing up. Michael Bay is no-doubt going to eff it up in some fashion or another.

Seriously. Last time I checked if you had an artistic vision for a movie project it was customary to write an original work and sell it to a studio. If you're going to adapt something existing into a movie you should at least have some love and RESPECT for the original vision and the expectations of the existing fans.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 27, 2012, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: X on September 27, 2012, 09:33:52 AM
Maybe it just me but I feel that Michael Bay is getting way too carries away with this ego of his. TMNT are not aliens nor should they be. It's all in their name: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The man needs to put a serious lock down on "his visions" before he can properly make a good flick. A am a fan of the series as I watched it growing up. Michael Bay is no-doubt going to eff it up in some fashion or another.

I kept hoping the whole alien connection was that Bay was alluding to the Utroms who created the ooze (as a waste byproduct) which is what morphed the Turtles, in a roundabout way making their origin "from space," but he may have actually been saying they'd be aliens. The script was leaked to the Internet but I never bothered reading it. (It's apparently a steaming pile, though.)

But yeah, making them aliens would be pretty damn stupid since I identify the Turtles so much as being basically human like they are in every other version of the TMNT (especially in the Mirage comics). Take away that aspect and a lot of the heart is lost, I think.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Lelygax on September 27, 2012, 07:54:00 PM
He should be blind since its TMNT, not TANT.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 27, 2012, 08:18:11 PM
TAINT
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheouAegis on September 28, 2012, 09:16:41 AM
If it has Triceratons it might be worth it.

I'm actually a bit more open to this movie than a lot of people. In Japan, they released an anime based on the original GeGeGe no Kitaro manga, which was much darker than what people in Japan had grown up with and learned to love. I gotta say, although it may be because I'm an American, Hakaba Kitaro was great show, fun to watch, and 95% faithful to the manga.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on September 28, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
I don't mind a difference in tone. Bodycount is an insanely ridiculous TMNT tale with tons of extreme violence and over-the-top everything, but it never tried to mess with the core characteristics of Casey Jones and Raphael. The Turtles are very human in the way they live, speak, etc., and making them from another planet totally cheapens that I think.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheCruelAngel on September 28, 2012, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: Abnormal Freak on September 28, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
making them from another planet totally cheapens that I think.

Not to argue that making them aliens is kind of dumb (it is), but one develops human characteristics based on their surrounds and upbringing.

The turtles are who they are because of their (limited) interactions with humans, Splinter's teachings and TV. They could have easily of developed into murderous creatures that hunt down pizza delivery boys, slay them in the most gruesome ways possible and eat their pizza afterwards. So I believe just because they're aliens doesn't mean they can't exhibit the similar human qualities from their original upbringings as long as they are brought up in the same fashion.

Does that make sense?  :-\ I can't figure out if I'm articulating myself that well today, so if you want any clarification to any of the statements I made, please let me know and I'll try my best to reword it or explain it differently.  8) Cowabunga!
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Lelygax on September 28, 2012, 12:00:49 PM
I understand that philosophy, but I dont think that they will do something about that in the movie. Since they said that they will be aliens I expect something like Dragon Ball Evolution (who watched it know what I mean).
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Johnny Alucard on September 30, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
So, the new show debuted this weekend. And it was actually pretty fun. It's not as silly as the 80's cartoon, nor is it as serious as the 2k3 incarnation.  It's doing it's own thing but still holding true to the TMNT story.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Inccubus on October 01, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
*puts on professor voice*

Good news everyone! The Michael Bay / TMNT deal fell apart. Woohoo!!
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: TheCruelAngel on October 02, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Confirmed? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles_n_1601139.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles_n_1601139.html)

Back in June...what the heck is wrong with us and why did we not know this at the beginning of this thread? (I mean, other than disgust and not wanting to read/look up anything associated with Bay's Turtles...)
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Abnormal Freak on October 02, 2012, 10:22:57 AM
Oh, I thought it was assumed or common knowledge that the TMNT script was being reworked. :o

I finally watched the one-hour series premiere of the new show and I loved every bit of it. If it continues on like this, it may be the most entertaining TMNT toon yet.
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Lelygax on October 02, 2012, 11:48:10 AM
No, I didnt knew that until now.

Also... your avatar image is new right? Its not animated before xD
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Phoenix7786 on October 02, 2012, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: Inccubus on October 01, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
*puts on professor voice*

Good news everyone! The Michael Bay / TMNT deal fell apart. Woohoo!!

Much rejoicing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjjZGyYcH9E#ws)
Title: Re: TMNT Existing works and future movie.
Post by: Inccubus on October 03, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
Love that clip. <3