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Title: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Profbeanburrito on November 04, 2012, 07:29:44 PM

Not sure if anyone saw this, but it looks like LoI is out on PS3 in Japan, maybe we'll see it elsewhere.
This is a great game, I've always enjoyed it, so if it comes out I'll be getting it.

http://www.konami.jp/products/dl_ps3_castlevania/ (http://www.konami.jp/products/dl_ps3_castlevania/)

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: crisis on November 04, 2012, 07:52:55 PM

This is somewhat old news, but if they do decide to bring it stateside (and everywhere else outside Japan), then i'd buy it fo sho


perhaps this is Konami's way of gauging how much interest people still have in the "Akumajo" series

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: GuyStarwind on November 04, 2012, 07:58:38 PM

News to me. If it does come stateside I'll buy. Mostly because I don't want to hook up my ps2 to play it. Lazy, I know.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Flame on November 04, 2012, 08:02:10 PM

I wonder if it will be a straight port or have any improvements/bonus content? Imo some reworked faces would be great,specifically leon himself

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Mystic Myotis on November 04, 2012, 08:08:12 PM

Quote from: Flame on November 04, 2012, 08:02:10 PM

I wonder if it will be a straight port or have any improvements/bonus content? Imo some reworked faces would be great,specifically leon himself

I know it won't happen but if they reworked the level design and a couple other things in the game it would easily be the best 3d Castlevania, imo.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: beingthehero on November 04, 2012, 09:19:19 PM

If it's in HD, it would be worth the purchase. The graphics in that game still hold up extremely well, which makes the subsequent 3D games sans Lords all the more baffling in terms of how muddy the graphics were.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Chernabogue on November 04, 2012, 11:40:55 PM

I hope the graphics will get a lil' update and that they add a few bonuses.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Koutei on November 05, 2012, 12:23:34 AM

It's straight port. As a function of PlayStation2-Archives, it has up-convert and smoothing.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 05, 2012, 02:39:36 AM

I have finish it 2 weeks ago on PS2. I wasn't expecting new content, but if the graphics are having some upgrade, then i'll buy it.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: PFG9000 on November 05, 2012, 07:53:54 AM

Interesting.  I didn't think it was that popular of a PS2 title, so I'm surprised they would port it.  I won't be getting it because I can play my PS2 disc on my PS3.  If there was some sort of improvement, like Hi-res textures or something, I'd probably pick it up.

And yes, Lament is the best 3D CV in my opinion.  It's too bad the level design was so flat - that was the only thing holding it back from being an amazing 3D Metroidvania.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: X on November 05, 2012, 09:48:48 AM

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I wonder if it will be a straight port or have any improvements/bonus content? Imo some reworked faces would be great,specifically leon himself

I agree. But for me the one character that needs the most work is Sara. She's supposed to be European but they made her look Asian and it wasn't done very either.

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And yes, Lament is the best 3D CV in my opinion.  It's too bad the level design was so flat - that was the only thing holding it back from being an amazing 3D Metroidvania.

As flat as LoI's level designs were, no way can it be compared to the flat level designs of CoD.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on November 05, 2012, 10:30:27 PM

Quote from: X on November 05, 2012, 09:48:48 AM

As flat as LoI's level designs were, no way can it be compared to the flat level designs of CoD.

Sadly this couldn't be any more true.

Its especially sad when you consider that one of the main complaints about LOI was its flat level design and instead of addressing the issue IGA and team just made it worse with the slew of flat/repetitive level design of COD (wow, sounds like I'm kinda bashing IGA.....weird lol).

I think IGA and team just got to caught up in making Curse of Darkness a much bigger experience as far as level and exploration goes but completely neglected platforming in favor of much bigger areas which was a pretty dumb move if you ask me considering platforming has been 1 of the main focuses of the series since CV1.

Also the fact that Hector ran so freaken slow made it even more frustrating.

Would have been nice to have a relic similar to Leon's wolf's foot or some boots that let you run faster.

But instead we had to traverse a huge plain of nothing but flat areas that offered pretty much no platforming or ways to lessen the hassle.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 06, 2012, 01:40:16 AM

The game play mechanic of CoD was interesting, but the only memorable think i have from it is playing like Trevor. I hope for a higher resolution graphics on the port, since the characters models were not the best, especially Sara's. I loved the LoI enemies designs more than the ones from CoD. I don't know, but CoD feels like it took out all the good elements that LoI had and kept only the bad one's and improved them only for the worst. Zero platforming for a game that was known from the very first game about platforming?

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Wallachia on November 06, 2012, 03:20:55 PM

Give me HOUSE OF SACRED REMAINS in HD. Yessssss..

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Successor The Cruel on November 07, 2012, 08:23:38 AM

Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness are so disappointing to me that it really doesn't matter which one is better or worse. Actually, Curse of Darkness is more disappointing, not necessarily because it's a worse game, but because, as mentioned, the problems with Lament weren't addressed at all, but made even worse. It's so hard for me to grasp that the same guy who fronted Aria of Sorrow, an incredibly intelligent and inspired game in all areas --sans for an overpowered weapon/soul or two-- is the same guy who fronted those two games. As someone who puts out creative pieces of work on display for myself and others to enjoy, I can't possibly imagine doing that, especially if I was getting paid.

Anyway, I don't really mind if no work is done on the game. It's really not even worth it, in my mind. No matter how much you polish that thing, a turd is going to be a turd. If work would be done on it, I'd like to see work done on it that would actually make a real difference (yeah, I know that will never happen). I'm only so hard on those games because I care (as corny as it sounds). It's sad to see two things with so much potential that I'd really love to love fail horribly because of incredibly boneheaded design decisions. There are some Castlevania games that I dislike, and some others that I hate and find offensive, but I don't think I could ever bring myself to hate LoI or CoD. They just make me somewhat forlorn.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: crisis on November 07, 2012, 08:34:50 AM

you forgot to mention Nanobreaker, an equally offensive game  :D

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Neobelmont on November 07, 2012, 07:08:36 PM

Quote from: Crisis on November 07, 2012, 08:34:50 AM

you forgot to mention Nanobreaker, an equally offensive game  :D

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(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080526040330/yugioh/images/a/a1/NanobreakerDR04-EN-C-UE.png)


The first time I heard of nanobreaker was from yu-gi-oh so I put the two and two together when I learned about the game. Shame there are no castlevania or contra cards  :(

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Lashen on November 08, 2012, 10:29:56 AM

Who am I kidding? I'll buy it even if I'll hate it.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Sumac on November 08, 2012, 11:25:29 AM

LOI is rather interesting game to me. While certainly having obvious problems in level design departament, this game game have awesome boss battles and the best soundtrack amongst "IGAvanias". I don't care about graphics and the only thing that really need improvement in this game are levels. Sadly, in the current state, LOI is very boring and the onle thing that could save player from dosing while playing in it, is him being either loyal stuff collector or just being OK with less-than-uninpired level structure. Overall, it's one of the best CV titles in the series, IMO.

I am glad that this game will be rerealeased on another platfrom - maybe more people will love it (and there are a lot of reasons to like this game). At the very least it's a decent choice for a rerealease, much better than horrible CVA.  :)

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Reinhart77 on November 10, 2012, 10:57:21 AM

gosh I love Lament of Innocence, looking forward to playing it again without having to hook up a PS2. 

glad to learn they made a Yugio card of Nanobreaker.  i thought a lot about that game was good.  except that the AI really stunk and it did get tiresome fighting an overwhelming quantity of enemies...

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Successor The Cruel on November 11, 2012, 04:10:42 AM

Quote from: Sumac on November 08, 2012, 11:25:29 AM

Sadly, in the current state, LOI is very boring and the onle thing that could save player from dosing while playing in it, is him being either loyal stuff collector or just being OK with less-than-uninpired level structure. Overall, it's one of the best CV titles in the series, IMO.

Now, I'm not the sort of person to question another person's choice of "one of the best CV titles in the series," but I'm really confused that someone would list a game they admit is very boring to them. I believe the opposite of fun is drudgery and toil... you know, boring or trying stuff. Isn't the ultimate purpose of playing video games to have fun?

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Ratty on November 11, 2012, 05:45:40 AM

Quote from: Successor The Cruel on November 11, 2012, 04:10:42 AM

Now, I'm not the sort of person to question another person's choice of "one of the best CV titles in the series," but I'm really confused that someone would list a game they admit is very boring to them. I believe the opposite of fun is drudgery and toil... you know, boring or trying stuff. Isn't the ultimate purpose of playing video games to have fun?

I think he meant to say "one of the best 3D CV titles in the series". Which I'd agree with... but I still think the N64 games are better  :P ;D
I don't have that big a problem with the level design in LoI, it's only really "bad" in a few cases (looking at you House of Sacred Remains) and overall is good or at least decent imo.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Sumac on November 11, 2012, 07:59:07 AM

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Now, I'm not the sort of person to question another person's choice of "one of the best CV titles in the series," but I'm really confused that someone would list a game they admit is very boring to them. I believe the opposite of fun is drudgery and toil... you know, boring or trying stuff. Isn't the ultimate purpose of playing video games to have fun?

Sorry, I formulated it quite confusingly.
I meant, that if you overlook boring design and consider only best parts of the game (artstyle, atmosphere, music, boss battles) then it is one of the best games in the series, IMO.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: VampirehunterB on November 12, 2012, 05:20:00 AM

hope they'll include the japanese voice acting this time.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: GuyStarwind on November 14, 2012, 02:22:38 PM

I would love it if they had a sound clip option like in the ds games. The game has some quotes I would love to have a text message sounds.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Abnormal Freak on November 14, 2012, 04:08:44 PM

Quote from: vampiroldurusucu on November 12, 2012, 05:20:00 AM

hope they'll include the japanese voice acting this time.

Doesn't it already? Or maybe I'm thinking of Curse of Darkness... One or both of those has the option.

Anyway, bit of a shame it's not an HD release, but oh well. I've still got my PS2 copy and a tube TV, so I'm good.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 15, 2012, 03:00:15 AM

Quote from: Abnormal Freak on November 14, 2012, 04:08:44 PM

Doesn't it already? Or maybe I'm thinking of Curse of Darkness... One or both of those has the option.

Anyway, bit of a shame it's not an HD release, but oh well. I've still got my PS2 copy and a tube TV, so I'm good.

CoD has that option, after finishing the game.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Nagumo on November 15, 2012, 10:26:10 AM

Quote from: Dark Nemesis on November 15, 2012, 03:00:15 AM

CoD has that option, after finishing the game.

Really? How do you do that?

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Dark Nemesis on November 15, 2012, 12:24:25 PM

Quote from: Nagumo on November 15, 2012, 10:26:10 AM

Really? How do you do that?

I haven't played it in ages, but if i remember correct, you can chose it from the main menu, at the options menu, after you have finish the game. I'll have to look my save data to confirm it 100%.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Claimh Solais on November 15, 2012, 07:34:54 PM

Quote from: Dark Nemesis on November 15, 2012, 12:24:25 PM

I haven't played it in ages, but if i remember correct, you can chose it from the main menu, at the options menu, after you have finish the game. I'll have to look my save data to confirm it 100%.

Actually, the voice option is available from the get-go. It's done in the options area on the main menu. Can't really say about the Xbox version, since I never owned that one.

And Japanese voice option was also available in LoI.

And I'm one who usually says Japanese dubs are great, but I think the ones done for these two particular games are just flatout awful. In my opinion, CoD's Japanese dub makes the PS1 version of SotN 's English dub sound topnotch.

As far as LoI coming to PS3, I don't think I'll actually be buying it. I mean, I have it on PS2, so there's no reason at all I'd even consider buying the same game on the PS3, probably for the typical $14.99 PSN price, when I bought my PS2 copy for $4.99. If it were an HD version, or some kind of special edition a la Persona 3 on the PSN (though I'm aware this version was also on PS2, so not likely), I'd probably fork out the money to buy it. But as it stands, I'd only buy it if I had extra money to burn, but I'd probably use that money on LoS DLC chapters instead of a game I already have.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: P/\/\\/o on November 16, 2012, 01:17:07 AM

LoI has one of the best soundtracks, ever! :-*

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Neobelmont on November 16, 2012, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: Abnormal Freak on November 14, 2012, 04:08:44 PM

Doesn't it already? Or maybe I'm thinking of Curse of Darkness... One or both of those has the option.

Anyway, bit of a shame it's not an HD release, but oh well. I've still got my PS2 copy and a tube TV, so I'm good.

Loi does CoD I cannot recall.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Claimh Solais on November 16, 2012, 05:12:27 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on November 16, 2012, 01:06:03 PM

Loi does CoD I cannot recall.

Quote from: Claimh Solais on November 15, 2012, 07:34:54 PM

Actually, the voice option is available from the get-go. It's done in the options area on the main menu. Can't really say about the Xbox version, since I never owned that one.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Flame on November 16, 2012, 09:45:10 PM

Quote from: Claimh Solais on November 15, 2012, 07:34:54 PM

And I'm one who usually says Japanese dubs are great, but I think the ones done for these two particular games are just flatout awful.

hey hey now, dont you be dishin out on ma'man Crispin Freeman.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Claimh Solais on November 17, 2012, 01:28:11 PM

Quote from: Flame on November 16, 2012, 09:45:10 PM

hey hey now, dont you be dishin out on ma'man Crispin Freeman.

I'm not. I said the JPN dubs were awful.

I thought LoI's ENG dub was pretty good, and CoD's was spectacular.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: X on November 17, 2012, 03:26:02 PM

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I thought LoI's ENG dub was pretty good, and CoD's was spectacular.

LoI voice acting was okay but it is noticeable that some of the character's actions don't match with their movements all too well. This is where CoD actually excels over it's predecessor. The voice acting matches that of the character's movements very well and it's not so cringing to watch.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Successor The Cruel on November 18, 2012, 08:50:55 PM

Curse of Darkness' voice acting is pretty great across the board, though I suppose Julia is arguable. I kind of didn't mind her hokey delivery, though I admit it's there.

Lament's? Err, I think Walter is really powerfully done. I love how theatrical and melodramatic he is. Rinaldo and Medusa are cool, too, but everyone else? I wasn't especially impressed. Leon and Sara are disappointing, I feel. Sara's too unrealistic (without being cool like Walter), and Leon just doesn't have much power behind him, which is especially disappointing considering the situations he finds himself in. Death doesn't have nearly the personality he had in Symphony of the Night. Mathias is fine.

I prefer the Curse of Darkness soundtrack, myself. There's more variety and it's more exciting. It has more muscle behind it without sacrificing grace or style.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: GuyStarwind on November 19, 2012, 12:45:23 AM

I sometime quote LoI while driving down the road.

I should mention I don't have stereo.

Title: Re: Lament of Innocence coming to PS 3
Post by: Successor The Cruel on November 19, 2012, 09:54:09 AM

Quote from: GuyStarwind on November 19, 2012, 12:45:23 AM

I sometime quote LoI while driving down the road.

I should mention I don't have stereo.

For years, I can often be heard saying, "That power... is quite something...," in applicable situations.
I also sometimes just blurt out, "DIE, ISAAC! DIE!!!"
Also when applicable - "What a ridiculous notion."