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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: justin312 on April 09, 2013, 08:36:04 PM
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I'm sure this has been brought up before, so sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anyone else notice the many parallels between the Lords of Shadow story and Star Wars? Dracula is Darth Vader. Gabriel is Anakin Skywalker. Marie is Padme. The Brotherhood of Light is the Jedi order. The combat cross is the light saber. Zobek is like an anti-Obi Wan. The Belmont sons are Luke Skywalker. Simon is Luke from A New Hope, neophyte hero who goes up against the dark lord not knowing of his lineage. Trevor is Luke from Empire Strikes Back, experienced hero who falls in battle to his evil father, who then tries to get him to the dark side. Alucard is Luke from Return of the Jedi, the now very powerful hero who is the good version of his evil father.
I predict Lords of Shadow 2 will end with Dracula turning back to good at the very end and saving Alucard while defeating an evil worse then himself before perishing as a redeemed hero.
Hopefully we won't be stuck listening to a village of chupacabras singing a "zub zub" song to end the game.
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I predict Lords of Shadow 2 will end with Dracula turning back to good at the very end and saving Alucard while defeating an evil worse then himself before perishing as a redeemed hero.
that's prolly how it's gonna happen, much to my dismay. I'd rather see Dracula getting killed in a spectacular fashion & him being reborn in a Soma-like character, than him having a change of heart last second saying "hey i've switched back to the light side again." That worked for Darth Vader & Star Wars, but that doesn't mean i want to see it repeated here.
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And in the background of LoS2's credits, you see a redeemed ghost of Gabriel.......as portrayed by Hayden Christensen.
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Then 10 odd years later, the series get's bought out by Nintendo and they announce three more Lords of Shadow games.
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Also Yoda appears in the background, for no apparent reason.
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Bring in Jar Jar Binks too.
Then we'd drown our sorrows in alcohol.
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One more thing that seems to be from Star Wars: Some of the evil main characters seem to have lightning attacks similar to force lightning. Examples: Laura, Camilla, Zobek. I remember watching a walkthrough on a youtube channel called DSPGaming where the guy playing, Phil, asks: "why does everyone have force lightning?"
And this is one of the things I don't like about this storyline. It seems to be StarWars in a fantasy setting with Castlevania name drops. IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE CASTLEVANIA, NOT STARWARS!!!! This is what happens when you outsource gaming projects.
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Speaking of which, it's strange that neither Dracula nor Alucard have no lightning attacks. Whereas both have nearly every power under the su....uh moon (Dracula in particular can explode at will), the force lightning is missing.
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Bring in Jar Jar Binks too.
Then we'd drown our sorrows in alcohol.
Binks will be the Lords of Shadow take on Hammer.
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It would be funny if Hammer from this universe is a carpenter, then his name/nickname would make sense and at the same time destroy the character that we know as Hammer. lol
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And to add to the similarities, Alucard is basically Boba Fett.
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Well because despite being so iconic, the Star Wars tropes are pretty cliched as is. The good guy prophesied hero who falls to darkness, his son who fights against him and learns the truth of their father/son relationship, the holy/good order, etc.
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Also Yoda appears in the background, for no apparent reason.
DLC tie in. 15$
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Hahaha good, Uzo. I forgot about the DLCs.
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why they every one hate lords of shadows so much, is nothing to do to star wars, they are old movies in space and lords of shadows and all cox games is a fantasy, every day they invend a new insult to lords of shadows but that can't make change of the truth is the best and always be the best of castlevanias, just to aclarate, is better lords of shadows what star wars.
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why they every one hate lords of shadows so much, is nothing to do to star wars, they are old movies in space and lords of shadows and all cox games is a fantasy, every day they invend a new insult to lords of shadows but that can't make change of the truth is the best and always be the best of castlevanias, just to aclarate, is better lords of shadows what star wars.
Want some cheese to go with that whine?! *throws wine glass*
Topic creator didn't insult Lords of Shadow, but even if he had? If you can't stand the fact that people lightly poke fun at something you enjoy, then you need to grow a thicker skin.
Also, anyone who claims that there are NO similarities between the two stories like you just did is a liar.
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And in the background of LoS2's credits, you see a redeemed ghost of Gabriel.......as portrayed by Hayden Christensen.
Why!? Why did you say it? Now it's out in the ether and they'll do it... God save us all.
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Why!? Why did you say it? Now it's out in the ether and they'll do it... God save us all.
Betting a pot roast, they'd do it.
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Why!? Why did you say it? Now it's out in the ether and they'll do it... God save us all.
Yes, why did someone have to say it!?
Betting a pot roast, they'd do it.
Since it will probably happen now and we starting to betting on whether it will happen or not, I'll see the pot roast and raise with a legion of medusa heads.
Any other bets?
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Bring in Jar Jar Binks too.
Then we'd drown our sorrows in alcohol.
This is not so far fetched. I mean, there are already some cringe-worthy pop culture jokes. The most infamous one being a Portal joke.
And that is depressing.
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Any other bets?
i'll wager a Simon's Quest Tiger Wrist Watch and a sealed U.S. copy of Kid Dracula
also i realized another reference:
Zobek bares a purely 100% coincidental resemblance to Darth Nihilus
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relyonhorror.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Flordsofshadowdeath.jpg&hash=92af2731905390deec5947c1dd58f749b2de1a94)
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages02%2F118%2F44d82518630445fe8621d000aea4bd21%2Fl.jpg&hash=29fe135fe7186caabc6fe06a03693d657d980a0b)
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Darth Zobek.
Sounds legit.
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I don't know why but I've always liked Zobek's design. I mean, it's simple, it gets its job done, but somehow looks cool.
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I have a bet, LoS2 will be in our actual time too right? We will find a poster or something like that with Kojima or a old CV character in it. (Someone must bet in less stressful things right?)
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I don't know why but I've always liked Zobek's design. I mean, it's simple, it gets its job done, but somehow looks cool.
At first he reminded me a lot of Drac in Simon's Quest (who himself looks pretty much exactly like Death). I'm eager to see what he looks like without the Devil Mask.
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At first he reminded me a lot of Drac in Simon's Quest (who himself looks pretty much exactly like Death). I'm eager to see what he looks like without the Devil Mask.
Me too. We only see him 2 ways in LoS1: 1)in his disguise and 2)in his robes with the mask on. We all know the both Cornell and Camilla had both human forms and monster forms. One could argue that his disguise was his human form and that that masked form is his monster form. The problem is that we can't see his face in that form. Considering what his feet look like in that form and what the necromancers look like in the previous levels, I'll assume that it's something like that (skeletal)
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About the initial post...
Something recalling Star Wars can't be a bad thing.
I find Darth Vader's story through the 6 movies very touching. I cried a lot with all the scenes from the prequels related to the love story with Padme. Tragic love stories always get me and make me cry.
I think that's understandable for someone who's still waiting for love to arrive...
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About the initial post...
Something recalling Star Wars can't be a bad thing.
But Pfil, Lucasfilms is not a Spanish company and therefore Star Wars is inherently inferior to the LoS canon. Of course it's a bad thing to compare the two; it's an obvious insult to LoS to be compared to those terrible non-Spanish films.
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But Pfil, Lucasfilms is not a Spanish company and therefore Star Wars is inherently inferior to the LoS canon. Of course it's a bad thing to compare the two; it's an obvious insult to LoS to be compared to those terrible non-Spanish films.
Hmmm....
Oh wait, some scenes in Star Wars was shot on location in Spain.
http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/s/sw_attack.html#.UW6K8bX-GSo (http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/s/sw_attack.html#.UW6K8bX-GSo)
Does this count? XP
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You are having too much fun with this. :P
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Hey, Eric is the supreme character that will beat Dracula, since he his from Spain.
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About the initial post...
Something recalling Star Wars can't be a bad thing.
I find Darth Vader's story through the 6 movies very touching. I cried a lot with all the scenes from the prequels related to the love story with Padme. Tragic love stories always get me and make me cry.
I think that's understandable for someone who's still waiting for love to arrive...
I rerally didn't like what Lucas did with Anakin.
Anakin's fall to the dark side was very badly contrived. "OH NO I KILLED A JEDI I'M A BAD GUY NOW LEMME GO KILL ALL THE CHILDREN"
They could have done that far better. That said, despite the overuse of CGI, (Oh Lucas, whatever happened to you? You used to be the king of practical Special Effects!) the final battle scene was well done.
I think for me, it's just that I felt Vader really didn't NEED to be explained. He was a supremely powerful Jedi who fell to darkness, and in the end, redeemed himself. That's all you really needed.
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So you are ignoring the fact that they are movies from books, that have been released in order (I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX (Yes, NINE, but Lucas since didnt wanted to made the rest in movies)) and that he didnt used so much CGI before because of the same reason that he launched IV, V and VI first. Its because the technology at time couldnt do what he wanted, since the first ones needed more things to do all these giant things and droids without looking crap he waited patiently and did what he could at time, that being IV, V and VI. :p
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I know there's been a lot of criticism about the prequels, but I just love them, they really moved me, I found the tragic tale of Anakin to be a very beautiful story of love, betrayal and redemption. Very Shakespearean, maybe, and that's perhaps why I liked them so much. I personally think the whole Star Wars saga is a masterpiece.
But Pfil, Lucasfilms is not a Spanish company and therefore Star Wars is inherently inferior to the LoS canon. Of course it's a bad thing to compare the two; it's an obvious insult to LoS to be compared to those terrible non-Spanish films.
Hahaha!!!
Hey, Eric is the supreme character that will beat Dracula, since he his from Spain.
It's very weird he never mentioned Vega from Street Fighter :P
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I know there's been a lot of criticism about the prequels, but I just love them, they really moved me, I found the tragic tale of Anakin to be a very beautiful story of love, betrayal and redemption. Very Shakespearean, maybe, and that's perhaps why I liked them so much. I personally think the whole Star Wars saga is a masterpiece.
Gonna be frank. Any sympathy I might have felt for that self-centered, whiny brat dried up when he murdered a bunch of children and then had the audacity to call the Jedi evil.
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I just loved how crazy he became only for love, only to then regret it all. I love stories about regret. I always cry when I watch the final hour; the father-son-like relationship ending in a tragic battle, Padme's funeral; everything turning apart and the world becoming hopeless... and all that with what it is (to my tastes) John Williams' best score.
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So you are ignoring the fact that they are movies from books, that have been released in order (I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX (Yes, NINE, but Lucas since didnt wanted to made the rest in movies)) and that he didnt used so much CGI before because of the same reason that he launched IV, V and VI first. Its because the technology at time couldnt do what he wanted, since the first ones needed more things to do all these giant things and droids without looking crap he waited patiently and did what he could at time, that being IV, V and VI. :p
You realize, that Most of the Star Wars expanded universe, AKA the Novels, are not written by Lucas himself, but just Licensed? They are mostly, simply put, Officially Licensed fanfiction. (Much like the Star Trek Novels, of which there are a ton- Shatner's "The Return" itself is essentially Kirk Fiction, bringing the character back after he died in... Generations was it?)
Besides, Im just saying my opinion is all. i don't like how Lucas handled the prequels. Their writing, direction and everything, really show who was really the driving force behind the success of the originals. Not Lucas himself, but the Producer, Gary kurtz, who kept Lucas in line and prevented him from screwing the movies up too bad. (Did you know Lucas originally wanted a happy ending for Episode 3/6? Where Vader survives and everyone lives happily ever after?)
The results of Lucas' Starwars movies without Kurtz, REALLY shows. Lucas is just plain and simple, a terrible writer.
There. I said it. His Direction isn't all that great either. Or at least, it's gotten worse than what it was, I dont know. take a moment some time and hear the Red Letter Media review of the 3 prequels. It's very good.
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I rerally didn't like what Lucas did with Anakin.
Anakin's fall to the dark side was very badly contrived. "OH NO I KILLED A JEDI I'M A BAD GUY NOW LEMME GO KILL ALL THE CHILDREN"
I think for me, it's just that I felt Vader really didn't NEED to be explained. He was a supremely powerful Jedi who fell to darkness, and in the end, redeemed himself. That's all you really needed.
I really agree with this, and I think it also applies to Dracula, both the Gabriel and Matthias versions. Both guys are good guys, heroes, who lose their wife, and suddenly they become evil and spend the next 900 years trying to destroy humanity because of it? Very contrived. Any normal person would probably take years (as in, less than 10) to complete the grieving process, but then would recover and move on. After several hundred years Gabriel/Matthias would barely remember Marie/Elizabetha, let alone be still pissed enough about it to wage war on humanity.
Much like Darth Vader, I feel that Dracula didn't need to be explained.
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While you have a point, the fact remains that it doesn't matter how long it's been after you lose a loved one; the pain may ease slightly after several years, but you never truly get over it. Ask those that have lost loved ones after 9/11 if they'll ever truly "move on." This may sound cheesy but don't underestimate the power of love & how losing a loved one in a dramatic way can traumatize an individual for life.
Difference between Matthias & Gabby is Matthias eventually found someone else, Lisa, but had the misfortune of losing her again, over false accusations no less.
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I agree with Crisis on this one.
In addition, the thing I liked the most about Bram Stoker's Dracula was that it was revenge against God and humanity what moved Vlad Tepes to become Dracula.
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I didnt moved on and almost 3 years have passed... I agree with crisis too.
You realize, that Most of the Star Wars expanded universe, AKA the Novels, are not written by Lucas himself, but just Licensed? They are mostly, simply put, Officially Licensed fanfiction. (Much like the Star Trek Novels, of which there are a ton- Shatner's "The Return" itself is essentially Kirk Fiction, bringing the character back after he died in... Generations was it?)
Thats new to me, but it still official anyway then. Its so bad like you are saying? I never had the time or interest to check about this.
Besides, Im just saying my opinion is all. i don't like how Lucas handled the prequels. Their writing, direction and everything, really show who was really the driving force behind the success of the originals. Not Lucas himself, but the Producer, Gary kurtz, who kept Lucas in line and prevented him from screwing the movies up too bad. (Did you know Lucas originally wanted a happy ending for Episode 3/6? Where Vader survives and everyone lives happily ever after?)
In a way, his spirit survives and it still a happy ending IMO. Yeah, that wouldnt even make sense, I prefer the way that it ended.
The results of Lucas' Starwars movies without Kurtz, REALLY shows. Lucas is just plain and simple, a terrible writer.
There. I said it. His Direction isn't all that great either. Or at least, it's gotten worse than what it was, I dont know. take a moment some time and hear the Red Letter Media review of the 3 prequels. It's very good.
I never put that guy in a pedestal like I see some people doing, he did good and innovative movies, had great ideas, but thats all. He should have focused in writing new stories and supervisioned the movies instead of being the director. So many functions is too much for only one person. (Well, Stallone did it right but stil...)
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Both guys are good guys, heroes, who lose their wife, and suddenly they become evil and spend the next 900 years trying to destroy humanity because of it? Very contrived. Any normal person would probably take years (as in, less than 10) to complete the grieving process, but then would recover and move on. After several hundred years Gabriel/Matthias would barely remember Marie/Elizabetha, let alone be still pissed enough about it to wage war on humanity.
Uh, I think you're misconstruing the situations.
In my eyes Mathias as a character makes perfect sense. He did not declare war on humanity when Elizabetha died; he declared eternal defiance of the will of a god who he perceived to be a capricious and ungrateful murderer of an innocent who he loved above all things. It wasn't until humans burned the reincarnation of the woman he turned himself into a vampire over at the stake in front of his son that he went all psycho-killer on people. A person can only shoulder so much before they crack and that was Mathias' limit.
I'll leave it to someone who actually cares about LoS to point out why Gabriel's evilness isn't contrived. XD
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I actually like Gabriel's story, but I don't really care much about LoS.
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In addition, the thing I liked the most about Bram Stoker's Dracula was that it was revenge against God and humanity what moved Vlad Tepes to become Dracula.
You're talking about the Coppola movie right? Not the novel.
Uh, I think you're misconstruing the situations.
In my eyes Mathias as a character makes perfect sense. He did not declare war on humanity when Elizabetha died; he declared eternal defiance of the will of a god who he perceived to be a capricious and ungrateful murderer of an innocent who he loved above all things. It wasn't until humans burned the reincarnation of the woman he turned himself into a vampire over at the stake in front of his son that he went all psycho-killer on people. A person can only shoulder so much before they crack and that was Mathias' limit.
I'll leave it to someone who actually cares about LoS to point out why Gabriel's evilness isn't contrived. XD
I see what you're saying, but I still think its contrived when its over a period of centuries. Him having one momentary freak out over a lost love that results in him becoming a vampire is one thing. But using a lost love as a continued motivation for his evil actions over hundreds of years makes less sense. Also thought the crimson stone was a really weak plot device. Continuing on the Star Wars theme, it reminded me of midichlorians (as in, "Really?! THAT'S the source behind all that power?!)
Maybe part of it is just that I used to like the mystery of Dracula's background, and filling in my own blanks as to his origins.
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You're talking about the Coppola movie right? Not the novel.
Yes, the movie. I didn't read the novel.
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Eh, I had no real problem with the Crimson Stone. it goes better with the idea of Dracula becoming a Vampire by his own machinations, and not by being sired by another vampire. He stole Walter's soul, and gained vampirism through it, along with Walter's powers.
Dracula from the novel, seems to just have plain refused to die, and was reborn as an undead spectre.
Gabe doesn't really follow suit there, but he gets an A for effort in my book by virtue that he was already ridiculously superhuman before becoming a Vampire. Vampirism simply gave him a perk or two to survive the demonic real the Forgotten One dwelled in. As well as immortality. he also was technically sired, but did so by consuming his maker. He didn't just get a few drops of Laura's blood, he took ALL of her blood, killing her in the process and therefore becoming a powerful lord Vampire, skipping all the stages normally gone through by the normal method of siring. (This is a beef I have with that Castlevania series they did on youtube. It's just some creepy guy comes in, gives him some blood, and goes away)
Then he absorbed the Forgotten One's powers. So his transformation was still pretty interesting.
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I find Gabriel's through both games tale to be compelling, powerful and dramatic.
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yes it is, the best story of a castlevania of the history.