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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Thomas Belmont on June 06, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
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The Sorrow games make no mention of Julius having a family. However, if he has no children, the Belmont lineage can not continue. Also, he had no memory of who he was until he was in his 50's, so even if he did have kids, he most likely did not train them, unless it was out of instinct. Also, if he did have kin, you'd think he would have brought him/them along to fight in the events that took place in Dawn of Sorrow. We will most likely never officially know, but what do you guys think? Do you think Julius has somebody to pass on the Vampire Killer to?
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At this point in his life and what we know about him, then I'd say no.
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As of right now, no. But since 1999 is the end of Dracula, the Belmont line isn't needed anymore anyway. There's nothing to keep him from fathering a family at age 50 though. Especially with that beard.
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I find it difficult to believe Julius grew old without wooing a lady or two & you don't need your memory of being a legendary vampire slayer to want to reproduce, unless he spent those years of amnesia as a monk or something I think it's still possible a new Belmont could show up in the form of the child he never knew he had or like PFG9000 said he could still father a child at his age.
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He could have an illegitimate child that he may be unaware of. Like Indiana Jones!
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He could have an illegitimate child that he may be unaware of. Like Indiana Jones!
That's what I was thinking. I brought it up elsewhere, but when Julius ventured out to battle Dracula and his forces in 1999, he was a year shy of being 20, and guys that age(hell guys in general) aren't ones to "save themselves for love". A strapping young man in the prime of his life, trained to be a badass vampire hunter, peak physical condition, handsome... I'm sure he's had a few ladies in bed, maybe even has a girlfriend. It's the late 90s, afterall, he wouldn't be a prude. Who's to say he didn't sleep with his special girl the night before he set off to face his fate? Who's to say she wasn't knocked up in the process. Julius would've never known about his child, and his girlfriend would believe Julius to be dead(he basically disappeared after that).
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One really has to wonder what he did those years after he lost his memory. I mean, he didn't even remember his name, just "J".
I'd figure he's eventually start a family post DoS, though the novel suggests Curtis is his apprentice. Doesn't Curtis also use a whip?
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Another question... is he an only child?
Just because he's the one that killed Dracula doesn't mean he couldn't have a brother or sister that had to sit the fight out.
Then again, maybe they didn't even do that. If the 1999 thing was such a big deal, it's entirely possible that there may have been Belmonts fighting on other fronts besides the Castle itself.
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If Julius fathered a son, he wouldn't know due to his amnesia.
I think Curtis would be inheriting the vampire killer when Julius retires.
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I think he has a daughter. Named Kokoro. :)
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I think he has a daughter. Named Kokoro. :)
Hahaha ;D
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Actually I think according to her backstory he is her older brother.
"Kokoro is a middle student of St. Gradius, but her life is getting miserable since her older brother Julius Belmont really wants her to finish up education, graduate and become a vampire and demon hunter along with Gesshi Hanafuuma, but the Squadron really knows that just by her name and her demeanor, she's the first vampire and demon hunter to ever join the team. She is voiced by Hitomi Harada."
Gradius Wikia (http://gradius.wikia.com/wiki/Kokoro_Belmont)
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I could imagine J having a son. He'd have a thin Goatee. He'd probably wear shades and ride in a side car of his pop's Harley :P
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Actually I think according to her backstory he is her older brother.
Hmmm, I know the Japanese wikipedia says she is either his sister or daughter because this is apperently left ambiguous on purpose. Supposedly, the gallery mode mentions this, but I can't find a picture or a video of it.
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Another question... is he an only child?
Just because he's the one that killed Dracula doesn't mean he couldn't have a brother or sister that had to sit the fight out.
This has been on my mind for years, but they never even suggested any Belmonts ever had siblings. It's strange because putting your eggs in one basket is always risky. Then again, the immediate family connections have always been almost non-existant. Juste's about the only one who even suggests he met Simon in person.
CotM had at least some sort of sibling connection/rivalry with Hugh and Nathan, even though they weren't related by blood.
If they're gonna reboot Castlevania properly and the Belmonts will be the protagonists, I think they should make the clan seem more like a family instead of just a string of passing the whip around.
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If they're gonna reboot Castlevania properly and the Belmonts will be the protagonists, I think they should make the clan seem more like a family instead of just a string of passing the whip around.
I recall in OoE one of the "older" villager ladies tells Shanoa her memories of vampire-hunting with her grandfather. I think some of the other villagers may have similar stories but it's been a while since I played it so I don't remember them all.
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I think my OoE playthrough went to indefinite hold in Dracula's castle, so I might not know the whole story, but..why exactly is there a whole village of Belmont descendants and do they know they're related?
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I recall in OoE one of the "older" villager ladies tells Shanoa her memories of vampire-hunting with her grandfather. I think some of the other villagers may have similar stories but it's been a while since I played it so I don't remember them all.
That's right. Maybe Richter was Daniela's father or grand-father.
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I think my OoE playthrough went to indefinite hold in Dracula's castle, so I might not know the whole story, but..why exactly is there a whole village of Belmont descendants and do they know they're related?
I don't think they know since two of them hook up. :-X
I think Daniella is too old to be Richter's granddaugher. Assuming Richter didn't have any children before Rondo of Blood, he would have a child in 1792/1793 at the earliest. And also assuming this child would have a child of his or her own at like 18 or whatever, and taking into account Daniella's age (88 I believe), that means Order of Ecclesia takes place in 1899 or 1900, which is impossible given the game's estimated placement of "sometime in the 1800's". :-\
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I don't think they know since two of them hook up. :-X
Aand here's a track from the OST of the sequel to OoE:
Dueling Banjos - Deliverance OST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jBF1dcTlcM#)
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Given the fact that the Sorrow games take place like 25 years in the future and technology seems to be advancing very fast, it's possible that if there aren't any Belmont heirs, scientists could always either clone or genetically engineer a new Belmont with heightened characteristics.
Or maybe it's time for the bloodline to die out. Nothing lasts forever after all.
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"Project: Belmont Beyond"
or perhaps the Morris' will just take the lead since they're the closest blood ties!
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If DoS was indeed the very last chapter of the Dracula-Belmont war, it's fitting they would die with their biggest enemy. Apparently there's always going to be a Dark Lord, but that's not technically what Leon signed them up for.
If they're going to wrap up the continuity some day, I think they need to clarify what happens to the Belmonts. But cloning / genetic engineering to create Belmont successors isn't that far fetched. I mean, obviously the world was aware of Belmont blood, which made them superior vampire hunters.
But that's kind of hazy. I mean, Leon was never implied to be in any way supernatural. Did his descendants gain more power because of the ritual Rinaldo performed or was it all just genes, training, Vampire Killer and all other mystic weapons? Before LoI, at least, they implied their power was due to "warlord chromosomes".
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While we're on the subject of family, does anybody else wonder whether Dracula had any kids other than Al?
The fact that the series has never had a Dracula's Daughter character seems to be a missed opportunity to me.
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I understand that better than the apparent absence of Belmont siblings. Drac didn't turn Lisa into a vampire, suggesting he doesn't think highly of undeath. After all, he only became one to spite God. Maybe he even expected Al to be human.
And after Lisa died, he completely lost interest in that stuff. And with Al constantly opposing him, it just makes it clearer he's better off not making any more juniors. Aand he doesn't need an heir, because he's really not interested in ruling the world. He just wants it all to go to hell.
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They should just clone him. Test tube Belmonts.
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Well there's also the fact that he's eternal. When you are immortal, you really don't need offspring. Especially when you are not interested in having a "life" as he tried to have with Lisa.
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I mean, Leon was never implied to be in any way supernatural.
Not implied directly but Rinaldo did state that there was something about Leon that made the whip much more powerful then even Rinaldo himself could. The Belmont's mystic blood is as supernatural as you can get with them. In fact I was hearing this kind of talk way back in the 80's as to whether or not the powers of the whip and such came from the Belmont family blood. When LoI was produced Iga had solidified that rumor about the Belmont's mystical blood, but not directly. And he also gave the whip itself it's own form of power which is amplified by the Belmont' mystical blood and their blood alone. Anyone outside of the bloodline cannot use the whip to it's potential. It would be just another medieval weapon of metal.
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While we're on the subject of family, does anybody else wonder whether Dracula had any kids other than Al?
The fact that the series has never had a Dracula's Daughter character seems to be a missed opportunity to me.
You know what? I've always wondered if Alucard had any siblings. Considering the near 400 year gap between LoI and CV3, it's entirely possible that Dracula could have knocked up women (human or otherwise). Vampire or not, he is still a man and all men (and women) have certain animal instincts if you know what I mean. He may of loved Llsa, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any lust fueled one night stands with women (some possibly demons).
Hell, if the old canon is continued after the LoS trilogy is finished, there could be a new dark lord who is one of Dracula's long lost children (not Alucard). Just imagine how Alucard reacts when he finds out he has one or more siblings. I would think that it would be similar to Goku's reaction when he met his big brother in the first or second episode of DBZ.
Or, better yet, a war of succession between the siblings over who succeeds their father and becomes the new Dark Lord. That could be interesting. The storyline could be something like:
After nearly a thousand years of hibernation, Dracula's lost children awaken seeking their birthright. Unable to decide who ascends to the throne, the siblings start to try and kill each other. Sensing something dark and dangerous emerging, the Church enlists the strongest forces of Good (Julius Belmont and Yoko Belnades) to investigate the threat and protect humanity for danger.
I could see one of the siblings, aware of Soma, going after him and Alucard having to intervene and getting stuck babysitting again (at least in the beginning).
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You know what? I've always wondered if Alucard had any siblings. Considering the near 400 year gap between LoI and CV3, it's entirely possible that Dracula could have knocked up women (human or otherwise). Vampire or not, he is still a man and all men (and women) have certain animal instincts if you know what I mean. He may of loved Llsa, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any lust fueled one night stands with women (some possibly demons).
That gives me an idea for another angle to work with.
Alucard is only half vampire. There's a decent chance he might actually be the runt of the litter, so to speak, if his other sibblings are full vampire, half vampire and half succubus, half vampire half werewolf or whatever.
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Somehow I don't imagine Dracula, the guy with the regalness about him, having kids with anyone other than another Vampire or a Human woman that warms his heart.
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You know what? I've always wondered if Alucard had any siblings. Considering the near 400 year gap between LoI and CV3, it's entirely possible that Dracula could have knocked up women (human or otherwise). Vampire or not, he is still a man and all men (and women) have certain animal instincts if you know what I mean. He may of loved Llsa, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any lust fueled one night stands with women (some possibly demons).
If you want to go at it from a historical standpoint, the REAL Vlad had three children with two women, the first of which was Mihnea el Rău (literally the Wrongdoer/Mean/Evil) who was assassinated. Vlad's first wife (Mihnea's mother) killed herself, btw. Plot bunny, much? XD
His other two children were with his second wife, who was a relative of the King of Hungary, Matthias Corvinus. His second son was named after him (Vlad). And his third son's name has been lost; this one supposedly died young of illness.
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You know what? I've always wondered if Alucard had any siblings. Considering the near 400 year gap between LoI and CV3, it's entirely possible that Dracula could have knocked up women (human or otherwise). Vampire or not, he is still a man and all men (and women) have certain animal instincts if you know what I mean. He may of loved Llsa, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any lust fueled one night stands with women (some possibly demons).
Oh, he definitely spends some time with his harem. Alucard even refers to Carmilla as "Dracula's plaything".
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Not implied directly but Rinaldo did state that there was something about Leon that made the whip much more powerful then even Rinaldo himself could.
I forgot that tidbit. Now Rinald's line makes more sense. I never thought of it like that.
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Well, actually, for Leon, the whip was the same as Rinaldo. Defeating monsters was all fine, but when he tried to hit Walter, it still did nothing.
Rinaldo even says it, that he hoped it might work for Leon, but that apparently it didn't. Only once it became Vampire Killer did it gain the power to kill Walter.
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Well, actually, for Leon, the whip was the same as Rinaldo. Defeating monsters was all fine, but when he tried to hit Walter, it still did nothing.
Rinaldo even says it, that he hoped it might work for Leon, but that apparently it didn't. Only once it became Vampire Killer did it gain the power to kill Walter.
Don't tell me you forgot what Medusa had said to Leon after her defeat:
Leon: It's Rinaldo's whip. Apparently it's effective even on legendary monsters.
Medusa: But it wasn't so powerful before. Did it gain it's complete form?
Leon: Complete form..?
Then we have this tid-bit of Rinaldo's conversation:
Rinaldo: It's true that the whip is not yet complete.
Leon: But it has become more powerful then before.
Rinaldo: That...is because of you.
It's true that the whip could not harm Walter until it was complete, however Leon's mystical Belmont blood increased the whip's power and potential beyond what Rinaldo could have ever been capable of.
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This is strange.
It's almost as if it's begging for a prequel even to this game.
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Prequel to a prequel
that's deep.
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It's also very risky. Look how messed up the Zelda series is because the creator continued to make prequels of prequels rather then producing sequels, which is what the series should have been getting in the first place. If someone's going to make a prequel of a prequel then they really need to sit down and do their homework ie. pay attention to the continuity of the story that has already been established. And let's face it, many directors and creators can't even do this or don't want to. Take the series Enterprise as an example. It's a century before the classic Star Trek but it goes it's own way; throwing the already cemented continuity right out the window in terms of ship designs, story arcs, technology, selected musical scores etc. Even things that were historically established in ToS's bible was completely ignored in favor of other things that Rick Berman thought would make for a better Trek. He failed. Although in terms of the LoI back-story about Rinaldo's life before he came to dwell in the forest, it should be fairly easy to to make a prequel starring him in his quest to kill Walter and avenge his family. It could work so long as the continuity is not violated, but then again that's already been done.
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If there's one thing Castlevania needs less of it's origins.
Let's see what happens next rather than seeing another tale about how the very first Belmont fought the very first Dracula with the very first whip.
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I wouldn't mind them telling Rinaldo's story. But it would be better suited for a comic. Or an animated movie.
Or just do a bunch of animated shorts about Castlevania and include Rinaldo's revenge among them. There's lots of thing they could do with that idea: Lisa's execution, a Belmont's life coming to an end (like Simon, as an old man, telling the story of his quest to a young Juste) etc.
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I believe tidbits of Rinaldo's life were chronicled in the LoI prequel comic, which was made for cell-phones only in Japan way back in 2003. Apparently it contained a lot of backstory details about the characters of Lament. However, this has yet to surface online.. *looks at Nagumo*
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If there's one thing Castlevania needs less of it's origins.
Let's see what happens next rather than seeing another tale about how the very first Belmont fought the very first Dracula with the very first whip.
So you talkin a futuristic castlevania game set after Dawn of Sorrow?
Because if you want to see the next step in the series as far as story progression goes than that would have to be the route.
Saying that, I must admit I would be totally interested in seeing that, should it be done right of course.
But otherwise (considering they go back to the old canon) they will simply have to make games between the very little gaps in the CV timeline, one of the longest being the 300 year gap between LOI and CV3.
Or of course the long awaited 1999 game.
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Oh, he definitely spends some time with his harem. Alucard even refers to Carmilla as "Dracula's plaything".
Well Dracula has good taste in women ;)
But back to Julius I say yes. I could not even imagine the stress he had in his prime and the war so he had a special someone and had a pre-climax-climax before the final battle http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PreClimaxClimax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PreClimaxClimax)
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*looks at Nagumo*
Well, I tried. :( It's no longer available actually. So, I think the only thing we can do is to request Konami to release the manga in printed format.
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someone force koutei to go to the past
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(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100819203747/castlevania/images/b/b1/Julius_HD.png)
Pimp coat... (http://www.thebimreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Very-small-Check.jpg)
Whip... (http://www.thebimreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Very-small-Check.jpg)
Reluctance to admit identity/occupation... (http://www.thebimreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Very-small-Check.jpg)
Prefers to be addressed as "J"... (http://www.thebimreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Very-small-Check.jpg)
Yoko works under him... (http://www.thebimreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Very-small-Check.jpg)
..."DOES THIS MAN HAVE CHILDREN?"
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Maybe. I think his chaps also add to his bad-assery. An average man couldn't pull that off
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Judging by the way Soma and Julius dress, I get the feeling pimp coats are the male fashion trend of the future.
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Maybe for Japan.
They have an obsession with pimp coats.