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Title: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Mr Cappucino on January 23, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
I wondered about this for a while. Elizabeth Bartley is Dracula's niece. Therefore, this suggests that Dracula has a sibling, yes? Has such a character been introduced? This character could be used in the storyline in the earlier games (timeline-wise). Your opinions?
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: ChibiMaddiChan on January 23, 2008, 04:29:23 PM
The character has never been introduced, no.  As far as ideas for him/her, it could have been before he became a vampire and by some odd means, his niece (maybe this is a great-grand niece or something) ended up becoming a vampire too.

Or he attacked his family and she was the only one that actually became a vampire instead of outright dying.

Who knows? lol.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Long John Silver on January 23, 2008, 06:40:19 PM
I seem to remember Vlad had a brother. But of course, when Iga retconned the "Dracula is Vlad Tepes" thing some games tried to use and went with cva's and Rondo's "Drac is an old wizard from way before vlad" that stopped counting.

Mathias could have a brother too though. Just like there are all those weak non-direct descendant Belmonts who die if they try to use the whip, there could be something like that with Mathias too. And Bartley (Bathory really. Damn japanese don't even check up their facts and spelling when making games) was probably a descendant of that other family branch.

I guess she, knowing vampirism would preserve her eternal youth got Drac or someone else turn her into one of them. Then bathing in blood of young virgins would really be more meaningful and her title of blood countess more emphasized.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Thomas Belmont on January 24, 2008, 02:01:59 AM
Though unlikely, maybe she was actually blood related to Lisa. Either way, it would be cool to see Alucard kick his cousin's ass.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Mathias Hyperion on January 24, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
Vlad had two brothers - his older brother Mircea (who was assassinated alongside Vlad's father in 1447; Mircea was buried alive) and his younger brother Radu (who was a commander in the Ottoman Sultan's forces).

Radu had a daughter (who obviously was Dracula's niece) but I can't find any clear connection to the Bathory line.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Steve on January 24, 2008, 04:32:19 PM
In Reply To #5

Bathory wasn't really Dracula's neice.  That part was made up for the CV universe.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Thomas Belmont on January 24, 2008, 09:11:17 PM
Vlad had two brothers - his older brother Mircea (who was assassinated alongside Vlad's father in 1447; Mircea was buried alive) and his younger brother Radu (who was a commander in the Ottoman Sultan's forces).

Radu had a daughter (who obviously was Dracula's niece) but I can't find any clear connection to the Bathory line.


The Dracula from the Castlevania universe is different than the real Vlad Tepes Dracula.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 24, 2008, 09:50:05 PM
Yes, and if IGA's sticking with The Belmont Legacy comics, the Bartleys are just a family of loyal supporters of Dracula. Elizabeth would be among them, of course. Despite many hating the comics, IGA has said that he stands by them as the explaination of the events of "CV Adventure". And who knows, the comic writers admit that they got a lot of source material from IGA regarding the events. Some of that stuff regarding the place of the Bartleys could be IGA's doing.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: crisis on January 25, 2008, 12:01:19 AM
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IGA has said that he stands by them as the explaination of the events of "CV Adventure".
When did he say this? Could you provide a link?
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: DragonSlayr81 on January 25, 2008, 01:43:31 AM
I forgot the link, but IGA said he's standing by a lot of the non-game CV stories since there is only so much he can do via games(hehe, "so much"). That is, unless IGA plans on retconning the comics with HIS version of the events(Remake of CV Adventure).
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Successor The Cruel on January 25, 2008, 01:49:31 AM
I don't recall hearing that those comics are canon.  Are any of their events or characters (introduced in the comics) mentioned on any official timeline that has come out since the comics' release?
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: VEP on January 25, 2008, 11:03:34 AM
i remember doing research about bathory and dracula family trees and there is a connection but its like throught marriage and its so very distant.
Title: Re: Question about Elizabeth Bartley
Post by: Mathias Hyperion on January 25, 2008, 06:23:27 PM
In Reply To #6

I know that. It just would have been interesting if she really was his niece.

In Reply To #7

It's a point of contention (for me at least).