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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: chainsawmidget on July 07, 2013, 08:49:48 PM
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Okay, we know that Dracula comes back ever 100 years or so and then who ever the Belmont de jour is has to go and stop him, but what else do they do?
I mean, not every Belmont is going to end up fighting Drac, right? So what are they doing inbetween Dracula revivals? For that matter, what do they do after they put Dracula back in the ground? After Simon killed Dracula, put him back together, and killed him again, I can't really picture him just settling down and hanging up the whip. Simon I can see just going off and hunting other big evil monster masterminds around the world (which could be good for a few spin-off games) but some of these guys I just can't picture doing that sort of thing.
I wonder if any of the family ever feels like they just aren't going to get the chance to prove themselves. "Dracula was killed 15 years before you were born. You're probably never going to get a chance to fight him. You're just going to have to settle with fighting Graf Orlock and Count Wampyre."
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I've always had this idea on my mind of various cycles of the belmont family, with them being nobles/rulers/country people depdending on the year.
- Leon Belmont being a crussader, rich, then after rennouncing his title he goes to poverty.
- Trevor Belmont being an outcast and a woodcutter, then ascending to noblety by killing Dracula and gaining the church's favor.
- The family being very rich until Christopher times, when Soleil gets caught of Dracula's powers and the belmonts are exilled again.
- Simon getting the family rich /again/ (as evidenced by his change in armor).
- Juste times being the peak of their ecconomic times.
- Richter having his town destroyed and so all the family's wealth. He gets exilled anyway.
- Julius seems to have some hobo clothes so he was probably poor too.
This is one of the most missed points of the old timeline, hope it gets better!
Castlavania world is in a very healthy economic climate when business opportunities are always around the corner, money comes from candles and you can have a healthy shop inside a castle ;)
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I think most of them have had other professions beyond 'hero'/'vampire hunter'.
Leon: Crusader Knight, Noble
Gabriel: Brotherhood of Light Knight
Sonia: Worked for her grandfather, probably apothecary
Trevor: Most likely a blacksmith
Christopher: Considering his attire, he looks like he could've been some kind of builder or miner.
Simon: Probably Huntsman.
Desmond: Doctor/healer
Juste: Interior Decorator
Richter: I believe he was a noble, which cuts down on 'jobs'. Probably a tradesman.
Victor: Vagabond/Gambler
Reinhardt: Vehicle driver (stagecoach or horse)
John Morris: Cowboy (inherited from his dad's business)
Jonathan: Cowboy/Farmer
Julius: Own an old farm, probably has a business built around it by now.
Kokoro: Student at St.Gradius University
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Juste: Interior Decorator
lol 10/10.
If I remember well, the Christopher comic places him at noble too. But I think that changed after the Soleil's episode, who would trust them after then?
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Belmonts pre-Trevor were monster/vampire hunters, which is why they were outcasts. Even after the events of CVIII, I believe the Belmonts, the main bloodline anyway, still remained in the outskirts of society & kept to themselves. It would be logical that most of them were typically vagabonds throughout the centuries, since they were feared for their superhuman capabilities. Come the 19th century, however, the Belmont relatives have eventually blended into society, as shown in OoE (one of the descendants even recounts vampire hunting with her grandfather back in the day). The Morris side of the family, I envision, being part of the "nobility" of society.
I wouldn't doubt the Church took care of them via monetary needs, either.
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I definitely see Juste and Richter as noblemen. Sorta the 18th century equivalent of wealthy men-about-town. For all we know, that's how Richter met Annette.
Jonathan Morris could've done work for the OSS on the side, during and after WWII.
- The family being very rich until Christopher times, when Soleil gets caught of Dracula's powers and the belmonts are exilled again.
- Simon getting the family rich /again/ (as evidenced by his change in armor).
Ooh, someone shares my headcanon. ;) I 've always believed Simon dressed like a barbarian not just because of a possible Belmont fall from grace, but also to emulate Trevor.
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Belmonts pre-Trevor were monster/vampire hunters, which is why they were outcasts. Even after the events of CVIII, I believe the Belmonts, the main bloodline anyway, still remained in the outskirts of society & kept to themselves. It would be logical that most of them were typically vagabonds throughout the centuries, since they were feared for their superhuman capabilities. Come the 19th century, however, the Belmont relatives have eventually blended into society, as shown in OoE (one of the descendants even recounts vampire hunting with her grandfather back in the day). The Morris side of the family, I envision, being part of the "nobility" of society.
I wouldn't doubt the Church took care of them via monetary needs, either.
Christopher from the (canon?) comics, Simon's Quest Simon, Juste and Richter are noble according to their looks.
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Some good thoughts in this thread. I guess I never really put much thought into it, myself. I always thought they went back home and tended to their land or something, while staying fairly isolated from the outside world (well, aside from marrying and retaining the family name, I guess).
And cross-emblazoned jackets. Those things gotta take time to make.
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What about the Belmont's who don't want to be vampire hunters? I mean what if someone like let's say Richter didn't want to be a vampire hunter? What if he wanted to be an actor or something? But since Dracula came back he had to abandon his dream.
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Judging by the in game hints and nods to possible outside events (OoE & CV3 mainly), it appears that the Belmonts have been 'exorcists' professionally in each generation since Leon renounced his noble title. Their family job, even for branch family members, is to take care of monster and spiritual problems. Dracula just happens to be the highlight of this line of work, being the most notably intense and dangerous of this category.
In short, they fight monsters, not Dracula explicitly. Dracula just happens to be the biggest baddest monster (and pissed off Leon).
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Juste: Interior Decorator
Hahaha!
Their exorcism might have given them wealth when people are asking for those things, but when people do not need exorcists, they enter poverty.
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Their exorcism might have given them wealth when people are asking for those things, but when people do not need exorcists, they enter poverty.
That just might be true, given Richter mentions a 'client' in Nocturne of Recollection. So maybe the Belmonts do get paid for their monster hunting.
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Christopher from the (canon?) comics, Simon's Quest Simon, Juste and Richter are noble according to their looks.
maybe they can just afford fancy clothing? Doesn't mean they're part of high-class society, since their taboo and unorthodox lifestyle would make them feel like outsiders & possibly be rejected by other citizens of society. But this is just my speculation/opinion.
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Judging by the in game hints and nods to possible outside events (OoE & CV3 mainly), it appears that the Belmonts have been 'exorcists' professionally in each generation since Leon renounced his noble title. Their family job, even for branch family members, is to take care of monster and spiritual problems. Dracula just happens to be the highlight of this line of work, being the most notably intense and dangerous of this category.
In short, they fight monsters, not Dracula explicitly. Dracula just happens to be the biggest baddest monster (and pissed off Leon).
The Belmonts being exorcists would not surprise me. I could so imagine a young Julius after the 1999 and suffering from amnesia going work as a paranormal investigator/exorcist not connected to the church.
On another note, what happens when a teenage Belmont goes through a rebellious phase (normal teenage stuff and not connected to Dracula). How would they rebel? And, how would the family deal with them? Think about it. With those powers, per-teens and teens are likely to be tempted to use their powers to create a little mischief.
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We have an example of that: Victor Belmont from the cancelled Resurrection game.
He was to be heir to the whip after Richter and Reinhardt it looks like, but before John Morris. However, he rejected the title and actually left the Belmont clan, and became a vagabond/gambler (which is why I gave him that title).
Victor Belmont is the alternative protagonist of the canceled Sega Dreamcast game Castlevania: Resurrection. He escaped his destiny of facing Count Dracula in 19th century England. However, when Dracula's Castle appears in the year 1666, he is transported to that time and is taken under Sonia Belmont's wing (also time-displaced) and faces Count Dracula.
Character historyEdit
A wandering gambler and soldier of fortune, Victor chose not to accept the Belmont legacy as a Vampire hunter by running away from home at an early age. During his travels, Victor learned not just the art, but the science of warfare, all the while attempting to avoid his true destiny in the petty politics of 19th century Europe. But the blood of the Belmont clan cannot be ignored forever, and Victor would eventually return to the land of his birth, a rebel and outcast.
In a certain night during 19th century, Victor has a quarrel with another man when gambling. Just as Victor pulls out a knife, he was mysteriously transported to the year 1666 by an unknown force.
Notes
Victor Belmont is the second hero of the cancelled game Castlevania: Resurrection.
It is interesting to note that Victor refused to accept his destiny as a Belmont, which would be the reason for their disappearance in the 1800s, had Castlevania: Resurrection never been cancelled, as well as Castlevania: Legends being retconned from the official canon timeline.
From the Castlevania Wikia.
Victor Belmont is an oddity, as we do not know of his whereabouts. We know that although he rejected the title, some force that manipulates Time (we should ask St.Germaine or Aeon) pulls him to Sonia's time, thus creating an alternate timeline.
I believe I posted about this multi-timeline before, but for the life of me I cannot find it with a search.
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Victor Belmont is an oddity, as we do not know of his whereabouts. We know that although he rejected the title, some force that manipulates Time (we should ask St.Germaine or Aeon) pulls him to Sonia's time, thus creating an alternate timeline.
Pulls him to Sonia's time? Sonia was of the 1450's and Resurrection takes place in 1666. Just before Simon's time would be more accurate. Just FYI ;) I also read something interesting about Resurrection's back story not too long ago; specifically regarding Sonia. Apparently she wasn't brought to the future from the 1400's. Instead she was Resurrected from the grave. I think that's why the game was titled resurrection. It would also explain why she's sporting what appears to be a set of Holy armor.
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We don't really hear much of Leon's life prior to the game, but I personally got the feeling he was of noble birth and his parents were gone so he still had his lands when he went back. I know the church held a lot of political sway but if he was well respected and he came back with what happened, my guess is he either reclaimed his lands or gathered supplies and headed to search for Mathias the rest of his days. I can see him becoming very fixated on finding him but he never did, so.. enter the wife and son who he passes the story down too.
Fast forward to Trevor finally runs into Mathias/Dracula, ect
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Didn't some source (one of the artbooks maybe) say Leon's indeed an orphan and became a knight at 16? Don't quote me on that though.
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You are correct. The source is the LoI Perfect Guide.
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Sonia: Worked for her grandfather, probably apothecary
The Japanese manual says Sonia is the daughter of aristocrats and lives in a mansion.
I'm not sure what kind of work that she'd be doing.
I imagine, in between training sessions with the whip, she engages in upper-class "snob" hobbies (hunting, horseback riding, piano-playing, etc.), lays any boy or girl of her choice, and takes over the aristocratic duties (whatever those are) from her deceased(?) parents.
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I hope you don't think that description mirrors reality in those times.
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Juste: Interior Decorator
LMAO!
Simon: Lumberjack
Reinhart: Bodybuilder
Nathan: Horseman?
Maxim: Bullfighter!
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The Japanese manual says Sonia is the daughter of aristocrats and lives in a mansion.
I'm not sure what kind of work that she'd be doing.
I imagine, in between training sessions with the whip, she engages in upper-class "snob" hobbies (hunting, horseback riding, piano-playing, etc.), lays any boy or girl of her choice, and takes over the aristocratic duties (whatever those are) from her deceased(?) parents.
I've heard about Sonia being from a well-off family as well, but I think the "snob" bit is way off the mark. Through the whole in-game story Sonia does not, at any time, show the traits described in the above. She has common sense, an iron will, does not complain about her current occupation (Vampire hunter), and is willing to lay down her life for those who are suffering under the tyrannical grip of Dracula. And in reality many aristocratic families are not snobby. That's more of a recent development through manga and romance novels.
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Okay, we know that Dracula comes back ever 100 years or so and then who ever the Belmont de jour is has to go and stop him, but what else do they do?
I mean, not every Belmont is going to end up fighting Drac, right? So what are they doing inbetween Dracula revivals? For that matter, what do they do after they put Dracula back in the ground? After Simon killed Dracula, put him back together, and killed him again, I can't really picture him just settling down and hanging up the whip. Simon I can see just going off and hunting other big evil monster masterminds around the world (which could be good for a few spin-off games) but some of these guys I just can't picture doing that sort of thing.
I wonder if any of the family ever feels like they just aren't going to get the chance to prove themselves. "Dracula was killed 15 years before you were born. You're probably never going to get a chance to fight him. You're just going to have to settle with fighting Graf Orlock and Count Wampyre."
The Belmonts are vampire/monster hunters. I'm sure there are many vampires and monsters running around in the Castlevania universe, take Walter Bernhard and Joachim for example, and that the Belmonts are always needed.
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I wonder if any of the family ever feels like they just aren't going to get the chance to prove themselves. "Dracula was killed 15 years before you were born. You're probably never going to get a chance to fight him. You're just going to have to settle with fighting Graf Orlock and Count Wampyre."
Richter. He was under a spell, but that desire to be a vampire hunter for the rest of his life didn't come from nowhere, did it?
I'm thinking something like exorcism. They have a couple hundred years worth of experience with fighting supernatural creatures both corporeal and non-corporeal. If there was ever a time when demons and vampires would have been seemingly absent, they'd probably be fighting on a mental level. And if not that, being a soldier. With all that combat experience, I can't imagine them warlord chromosomes being used to plant flowers.
Victor might have been interesting in this sense. I think he was supposed to be a mercencary with no interest in altruistic bad guy killing.
Hey, a modern Belmont could be a psychiatrist! Battling personal demons and the ghouls of the mind. Make that into a psychological horror game, Konami.
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I've heard about Sonia being from a well-off family as well, but I think the "snob" bit is way off the mark. Through the whole in-game story Sonia does not, at any time, show the traits described in the above. She has common sense, an iron will, does not complain about her current occupation (Vampire hunter), and is willing to lay down her life for those who are suffering under the tyrannical grip of Dracula. And in reality many aristocratic families are not snobby. That's more of a recent development through manga and romance novels.
Leon was a baron, but he wasn't snobby at all.
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Leon was a baron, but he wasn't snobby at all.
No he wasn't. And that may have been due to most of his time training as a Knight. When learn about the art of war, horsemanship, archery, sword fighting, helping those less fortunate, and whatever else comes with the Knight's title then you really don't have time nor the luxury to be ignorant to others.
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I have my own set of theories on what Trevor, Simon, Juste and Richter did as regular jobs when they were not dealing with Dracula.
Trevor & Simon: More likely they were both mercenaries, the gear that both of them are wearing is not something I would see on a farmer or a huntsman in the 15th and 17th century respectively.
Sidenote #1: I wouldn't be suprised if in the Castlevania timeline the Bohemian War was a retroactive way for the church to cover up the fact that Trevor Belmont was fighting Dracula whereas Simon might have actually fought in the Nine Year's War.
Sidenote #2: This would mean that the events of Simon's Quest occured just a year after the end of the Nine Year's War, Imagine the implications of Simon heading strait back to the battlefield after kicking Dracula's ass the first time only for the War and his wounds from Drac causing him to be in the state he is in CV2: Simon's Quest
(Jeez Fire, way to amplify Simon's badassery so that not only did he kicked Dracula's ass twice but he fricking survived the Nine Year's War)
Juste: I intially though that Juste might have been a merchant of the Hanseatic League, but I recently read the wikipedia article on said league and really the likeliness of Juste making a small fortune working with the league now seems rather slim since the Hanseatic League was going downhill in 1748 due to the fact that the world was changing around it and the League couldn't keep up with the changes. However the league did persist till 1862, so it might still be possible for Juste to be a somewhat successful league merchant.
Richter: He might have been a merchant as well, although an independent one. The way Richter and Juste both dress practically screams 18th century merchant to me since the nobility weren't the only ones wearing Justacorps like Juste's and Richter's. Infact I would say that both of them were well off enough to be able to afford the clothes they wear but otherwise still did work, I notice that most of you guys prefer to go with the "Belmonts as nobility" angle, Instead I prefer to see the Belmonts as common down to earth people like you and me. Heroes who work to make a decent living, but sometimes tend to get lucky.
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It's obvious, isn't it?
They Trevorse the countryside, Granting graces upon the oppressed and Syphaning the evil out of the world one bit at a time. The seismic pressure of all that bad mojo is measured on their Richter scale (patent still pending after hundreds of years), and they go out and smack the crap out of it. After all that, though, they go to the taverns and end up Ralphing all over the place and swing around on church steeples, becoming the Bell Mounts.
But, on a serious note, I would imagine that they branch out and take care of more isolated areas of monster infestations or other Greater vampires, similar to the Lecarde or Morris families did for a time. I'm sure they also take a ton of time to keep up their training, which is just as spiritual and mental as it is physical, given that a number of the family were agents of God.
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Richter: He might have been a merchant as well, although an independent one. The way Richter and Juste both dress practically screams 18th century merchant to me since the nobility weren't the only ones wearing Justacorps like Juste's and Richter's. Infact I would say that both of them were well off enough to be able to afford the clothes they wear but otherwise still did work, I notice that most of you guys prefer to go with the "Belmonts as nobility" angle, Instead I prefer to see the Belmonts as common down to earth people like you and me. Heroes who work to make a decent living, but sometimes tend to get lucky.
In SotN and the DXC Richter is wearing a type of nobleman's outfit. But in the original Rondo of Blood Richter is sporting a type of martial arts Gi and he knows martial arts as well. I think that besides his vampire hunter training, he was also tutored under a martial arts master.
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No he wasn't. And that may have been due to most of his time training as a Knight. When learn about the art of war, horsemanship, archery, sword fighting, helping those less fortunate, and whatever else comes with the Knight's title then you really don't have time nor the luxury to be ignorant to others.
Actually, Leon was a Baron. At least in the English version he was before he gave up his title. Take a look:
CV Lament of Innocence - 01 - Intro Cutscene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmKA48oMVg#ws)
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Actually, Leon was a Baron. At least in the English version he was before he gave up his title.
I never said Leon wasn't a Baron so you might want to re-read my posts again darkwzrd4. Believe me I I've recently played LoI so I know about his title and that he gave it up.
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My mistake. You were merely agreeing that Leon wasn't snobby like some nobles can be. When I first read your post, I thought you were saying that Leon wasn't a baron. Sorry.
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No problem bro ;)
Since this is a text message board and not a face-to-face discussion it does tend to make things difficult to interpret every once in a while.
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Thats what happens when they dont are fighting Dracula:
Video Game Confessions - Simon Belmont (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcKXYE78_SU#ws)
If we use the in-game logic, they gain their money from monsters and selling things. If we use normal logic, they battle monsters and gain the money in the same fashion anyway. Now, if we use real world logic, exiled Belmonts are like rangers, protecting the forests and wild places (that are their actual home) from evil beings and people. I dont think that these specific Belmonts had a specific task to be treated as a job, since they will need to know to do all sort of things, like hunting, wood-cutting, fishing and etc.