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According to 3DJuegos spanish website, so it seems.
Here's the article:
For its creators, it would be a good homage to its fans.
Promising game Castlevania: Lords of Shadow II may include in its soundtrack some of the classic and most representative themes of this veteran franchise, as a homage to its fans.
So it has assured producer Dave Cox, who has left open the possibility of classics like Vampire Killer -which was kind of present in the original Lords of Shadow- and Bloody Tears to come back.
Melodies that would be translated to this work with the orchestral style Araujo has impregnated this opus.
Original article (in spanish): http://www.3djuegos.com/noticia/135603/0/lords-of-shadow-2/incluir-temas-clasicos/ (http://www.3djuegos.com/noticia/135603/0/lords-of-shadow-2/incluir-temas-clasicos/)
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As always when I translate an article, I will add my opinion in a second post.
Vampire Killer and Bloody Tears? Again? Why don't they just include something a little different, like one from the Game Boy games? That would be a true homage to Castlevania fans.
It's like when Final Fantasy music is mentioned and everybody talks about FF7 soundtrack (which is mediocre, out of place and boring) and they forget about the masterpieces of the 6 first games and some other excellent tracks from FF8, 9 and 10.
Castlevania fans are so used to listen to VK and BT that, by now, I guess I'm not the only one that don't care much for those tracks and would wish for another classic or not so classic to be re-arranged for a new game.
This seems more like a wish from MS to include the 2 most representative tracks and a way to present something about Castlevania music to new fans, but nothing else.
The positive thing about this is that at least Araujo will be forced to use the right chord progressions for Castlevania if he is in fact arranging these tracks. I don't think his usual musical mannerisms will stick to these tunes, because they are so different to what he does.
Edit: some minor typing errors.
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Well the classic remixes were the only things I ever found noteworthy about the current trilogy's music anyway. SCV4 Dracula Battle in MOF, Waterfalls of Agharta in the first, even that music boxy take on Vampire Killer. Everything else was... mostly forgettable.
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Eh, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Like the article says, it'll probably just be a few notes tied to a new orchestral composition or a short jingle or 2, similar to the Vampire Killer Music Box in the original Lords of Shadow.
btw, I love FFVII's soundtrack but I hated FFVIII's & FFIX's. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to find 2 Final Fantasy fans that like the exact same stuff about the series, lol.
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I hope for some SOTN shit in there this time.
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Well the classic remixes were the only things I ever found noteworthy about the current trilogy's music anyway. SCV4 Dracula Battle in MOF, Waterfalls of Agharta in the first, even that music boxy take on Vampire Killer. Everything else was... mostly forgettable.
Of course it was forgettable, at least in those tiny little parts he based on something about CV, but it was just a few notes incorporated to his music. Not enough to overcome two soundtracks of nothing.
I hope for some SOTN shit in there this time.
I'd like that too, but I doubt it will happen. Araujo using Yamane's tunes? I don't see it happening.
Eh, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Like the article says, it'll probably just be a few notes tied to a new orchestral composition or a short jingle or 2, similar to the Vampire Killer Music Box in the original Lords of Shadow.
btw, I love FFVII's soundtrack but I hated FFVIII's & FFIX's. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to find 2 Final Fantasy fans that like the exact same stuff about the series, lol.
I think the same, if Cox said "maybe" I'm tempted to think it's almost 0% chance, but maybe this time he is telling the truth, who knows?
I personally found the music box thing a little irritating, because it was like teasing me, all the game with nothing that sounds like CV, and now I find VK reduced to a music box? This theme I listened to a million times is the only CV sound I find? And in a music box? Really? I remember I was particularly annoyed.
I hope they'd choose some obscure tracks and re-arrange them. Something from Game Boy, or from Rondo or X68000, something it was never remixed or re-arranged.
It's OK, FF7 was for me to FF what LoS was to Castlevania. I'm aware many fans don't like 8 and 9, and that FF7 has a huge fanbase. I'm personally fond of the first 6 games, though my favourite is FF6 and about the first 2 games I like the soundtrack especially, more than the game. FF6 is also the first one I played. I can't tell about 11 because I didn't play it, but I played the rest (most of them when they were already old, or in remakes like the PSP or NDS ones) and it's been a while since I don't hope to get another SNES type FF game anymore (or soundtrack, for that matter). But the FF fanbase is way more mixed than the CV fanbase. Here we have ClassicVania, MetroidVania and LoS, and fans are usually fond of one or the other, maybe 2 kind of games out of 3, sometimes Classic and MV but not LoS, sometimes Classic and LoS but not Iga... some even like them all... but it's pretty simple, the fanbase is still not too divided. With FF is a lot more complicated than that. It's as you say, every fan is different and likes/dislikes different games.
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I liked music box Vampire Killer. It really brought a smile to my face. I thought it sounded sweet, or cute, as an homage to CV1.
Vampire Killer (Music Box) - Castlevania Lords of Shadow BEST QUALITY + MP3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsqPtD048to#ws)
It caught me totally off guard.
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Smells like bullshit.
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They'll probably be interwoven into other songs like in the first Lords of Shadow. Not going to expect any full blown remixes.
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Anything will be good.
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I liked music box Vampire Killer. It really brought a smile to my face. I thought it sounded sweet, or cute, as an homage to CV1.
It caught me totally off guard.
Yes, I liked the fact of having one CV theme at least.
What annoyed me is that it seemed they were teasing me, I was all the game complaining to myself of how it didn't sound like CV, and then I encounter a little CV homage inside a box and nothing more.
The remix itself was OK. You'd have to be very ignorant to make a bad remix of a CV original tune, to be honest. And something I won't argue about is that Araujo studied music and knows what he does, the problem is he have bad taste and what he does is somehow inappropriate for CV, nothing more.
But the remix in question was good, indeed.
They'll probably be interwoven into other songs like in the first Lords of Shadow. Not going to expect any full blown remixes.
I believe the same. What I imagine is the first 7 notes of Bloody Tears with the first chord in a very orchestral style merged with some other ideas from Araujo's mind (which are not very Bloody Tears-alike).
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SCV4 Dracula Battle in MOF
?? Which track? / Got a link?
Smells like bullshit.
Agreed. Even if it is true, three notes of the original song meshed in with the rest being bland lifeless garbage (typical LoS "arrangement" of old tunes) doesn't make me look forward to it.
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I am not optimistic with this news.
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Not falling for that again. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Or was it the other way around? Anyway..
And even if it has versions of classic CV tunes - so what? The soundtrack of LoS did not need the copying or revisit the works of others. It was forgettable. That was its weakness. You can't fix that by remixing. ESPECIALLY if the remixes are going to be the most ubiquitous or best known CV tracks available.
Wanna surprise me in any way with remixes? Then go for the rarer gems like Battle of the Holy Man or New Messiah. And on a side note - and you can throw eggs at me for saying this - but I think the Legends versions of Vampire Killer and particularly Bloody Tears are totally shiny. Too bad Bloody Tears is so damn short.
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If you put your music is bad, if you put classical music is bad. Good luck to the next development team take CV ..
Sometimes I have the impression that the community of CV fans are like some older women in the salon reading magazines.
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If you put your music is bad, if you put classical music is bad. Good luck to the next development team take CV ..
Sometimes I have the impression that the community of CV fans are like some older women in the salon reading magazines.
Why? Because we don't act like dogs that someone threw them a bone and that's supposed to make us happy? So now we are forcing 2-3 remixes, if you could call them remixes at all, according to what we have heard from the first LoS and that will make it a more Castlevania sounding OST, when the majority of the tracks they will be general orchestrated versions?
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If you put your music is bad, if you put classical music is bad. Good luck to the next development team take CV ..
I sort of disagree with this statement. If there's one thing that was never a problem with the franchise until LoS came along, it was the music. Be it brand new tracks or remixes of old classics - most of us REALLY liked the music in all games prior to LoS. And even if we have our own personal favourites, I think I speak for the majority of us when I say that even the "weakest" soundtracks in the series are pretty damn great when compared to a lot of other games out there.
Well, the only time I recall some people being upset about the music was when Harmony of Dissonance was released back in 2002. And then once again in 2010 when LoS came out, and more recently with MoF.
There are sooooo many talented composers out there, fully capable of creating new music that totally sounds like Castlevania. I'm confident that there are brilliant composers literally standing in line to make music for the next games. Hopefully it's someone who's actually a fan of older Castlevania music too.
Aruajo is a great composer but he's clearly not right for this franchise. I actually have a lot of respect for "forgettable" music - the kind that blends in without distracting, and just setting the mood and yadda yadda. If Castlevania didn't have a track record of some of the greatest, catchiest, awesomest melodies in the history of gaming, I guess I would've accepted the LoS/MoF soundtracks for what they are. Cause they're not BAD. They're just.... not right.
I guess my point is that the next CV team is really lucky because they have 25+ years of brilliant Castevania tunes to draw inspiration from. It should be no problem to make CV-sounding music because it has such a strong identity.
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Not falling for that again. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Or was it the other way around?
You fool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwCCaJdI3Mw#)
Good luck to the next development team take CV ..
If it's Wayforward, then the series is in good hands.
Bloodrayne: Betrayal OST - Poisoned Halls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvgZue4XHzE#ws)
Bloodrayne: Betrayal OST - Peaceful Moon (NES Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0fwtS3Ye7g#ws)
Sometimes I have the impression that the community of CV fans are like some older women in the salon reading magazines.
Sorry that we as Castlevania fans have been gratiously spoiled over the past decades and have a high standard for excellent and catchy music in our games, a standard that LoS didn't meet for A LOT of us.
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If it's Jake Kaufman, then the series is in good hands.
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I should play some WF games, because you guys seem to love them. Though I'm not fond of the graphic style.
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Eh, I could take or leave remixes for LoS2. If they're just going to redo Bloody Tears again, I don't really care because it's already been arranged to hell and back again.
Now if they found something underutilized like Devil's Revival or Den of Worship, that would be another story.
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I keep hearing this
"oh a few notes mixed in with random garbage"
But LoS had a few remixes which were just that... remixes. Only one that i remember was like that was supposedly part of the beginning in the satan fight. (I dont hear it personally)
the rest were pretty straight forward. (courtyard, Carmilla form 1, waterfalls of agharta, Music box)
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And on a side note - and you can throw eggs at me for saying this - but I think the Legends versions of Vampire Killer and particularly Bloody Tears are totally shiny. Too bad Bloody Tears is so damn short.
Good to see someone that share my tastes, I liked them too and at the time that I heard them for the first time it was really difficult to find a remix.
If you put your music is bad, if you put classical music is bad. Good luck to the next development team take CV ..
Sometimes I have the impression that the community of CV fans are like some older women in the salon reading magazines.
Thats not true... :(
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F4f7c8e45ecad04a670000074-1200%2Ffor-my-second-haircut-i-got-a-full-treatment-at-a-salon-allegedly-run-by-a-gay-hairdresser-which-involved-13-beauty-products-and-tonics-the-guy-in-the-yellow-tarp-remarked-that-the-amount-of-vanity-i-have-to-indulge-in-this-service-is-shameful-even-for-a-woman.jpg&hash=56abe1ce730c372a37d51046aa9b53a59847c8c6)
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Anything will be good.
Pretty much this.
The one song I really want to hear the most is Beginning. Second favorite song in the series next to Simon's theme.
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Wayforward makes the best looking bad games.
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I have to admit, Bloodrayne Betrayal is quite a boring game. No replayability at all, unless you are the klepto type who absolutely HAS to find every hidden collectible. (and even then, that becomes a chore more than fun) I liked it when I first played it, but after I beat it, it got boring real fast.
the NES soundtrack doesnt offer much other than sounding nice. If they had re-made the entire game, or a mini-game entirely in 8-bit or 16 bit sprites, that would have been something.
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Perhaps I should've been more accurate and said Jake Kaufman is a way better and more capable composer than Oscar Araujo, when it comes to Castlevania-like tunes and melodies.
Wayforward makes the best looking bad games.
Chances are their worst game would've most likely still turn out better than Mirror of Fate.
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?? Which track? / Got a link?
Castlevania Lords of Shadow ~ Mirror of Fate (Soundtrack): The Den (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbmRDJGRIt4#ws)
Closest I could find.
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I would love it if there were some classic tunes in LoS2, but I think the classic tunes clash with the style of the LoS games. The orchestral music fit the situations and style better.
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They need to make the music memorable. LoS music was terrible at that, I don't really remember a music from the game at all... it's mostly atmospheric, melancolic... =/
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Now if they found something underutilized like Devil's Revival or Den of Worship, that would be another story.
You're (http://www.mediafire.com/?cg403q66a260ii4) welcome. (http://www.mediafire.com/?6cm7oyb5ah31c17)
But honestly, does EVERY Lords-related discussion thread have to turn into a ragefest over which generation of the fans are the most correct? It's getting kind of old, guys.
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They need to make the music memorable. LoS music was terrible at that, I don't really remember a music from the game at all... it's mostly atmospheric, melancolic... =/
You didn't enjoy BatmanBelmont's Theme? Excellent track, easily my fav from LoS and I hope it returns in LoS2 remixed or otherwise
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Belmont's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Uqy9L_xtk#)
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You didn't enjoy BatmanBelmont's Theme? Excellent track, easily my fav from LoS and I hope it returns in LoS2 remixed or otherwise
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Belmont's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Uqy9L_xtk#)
My most played song on my ipod.
It helps me study for tests. It makes me feel like I'm deciphering the da vinci code
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You didn't enjoy BatmanBelmont's Theme? Excellent track, easily my fav from LoS and I hope it returns in LoS2 remixed or otherwise
Castlevania Lords of Shadow Music - Belmont's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Uqy9L_xtk#)
It's good, but it isn't really memorable for me. And it's not because I didn't listened to it enough times, it's simply made to be that way. Same with other musics that I like in the soundtrack (like Final Confrotation or VK Music Box)... but for most part... meh. =/
But they set the right tone while playing the game, though. It's just not my kind of music at all.
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It helps me study for tests. It makes me feel like I'm deciphering the da vinci code
Moreso than this track?
Let's Listen: CV Harmony Of Dissonance - Merchant's Theme (Extended) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5-tNAMamsU#ws)
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Moreso than this track?
Let's Listen: CV Harmony Of Dissonance - Merchant's Theme (Extended) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5-tNAMamsU#ws)
Yes :rollseyes:
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HoD's soundtrack, ugh.
Still people hate the Clock Tower song, I like it.
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You aren't the only one. I love HoD's clocktower theme. It's so deliciously haunting.
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^Brofist
The thing about Harmony's soundtrack, aside chiptune compression, is that the composer took to heart the tittle of the game, which is pretty excellent as an idea, but combined to the chiptune thing, was a recipe for a disaster. As you may or may not know, dissonance is the sound of various notes that don't.. concur with each other, like this CAUTION: MOST ATONAL DISSONANT SOUNDS - wierd music science (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt9D20MDqvg#)
The composer actually inserted dissonant harmonies to the soundtrack, which is itself good, but the effect harms the whole qualo¿ity when meeting those terrible 8bit sounds.
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I like HoD's soundtrack. ;_; Especially Successor of Fate and Marble Corridor, plus Dracula's battle bgm.
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Fuck it, I love the whole OST.
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I hate it. It... sucks... even the compositions are really not that good, save for one or two songs. Doesn't help that the game was really sub-par.
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^Brofist
The thing about Harmony's soundtrack, aside chiptune compression, is that the composer took to heart the tittle of the game, which is pretty excellent as an idea, but combined to the chiptune thing, was a recipe for a disaster. As you may or may not know, dissonance is the sound of various notes that don't.. concur with each other, like this CAUTION: MOST ATONAL DISSONANT SOUNDS - wierd music science (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt9D20MDqvg#)
The composer actually inserted dissonant harmonies to the soundtrack, which is itself good, but the effect harms the whole qualo¿ity when meeting those terrible 8bit sounds.
You have found the REAL Paranoia's theme, thank you (or maybe its for a new boss caleed Euphoria?)xD
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^Brofist
The thing about Harmony's soundtrack, aside chiptune compression, is that the composer took to heart the tittle of the game, which is pretty excellent as an idea, but combined to the chiptune thing, was a recipe for a disaster. As you may or may not know, dissonance is the sound of various notes that don't.. concur with each other, like this CAUTION: MOST ATONAL DISSONANT SOUNDS - wierd music science (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt9D20MDqvg#)
The composer actually inserted dissonant harmonies to the soundtrack, which is itself good, but the effect harms the whole qualo¿ity when meeting those terrible 8bit sounds.
True I remember when my teacher went through it in class I remember one of the songs in class there was one part in it that some of the notes on the leger line sounded way off but it was correct thus dissonance I'll probably learn more about it in piano 2
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You aren't the only one. I love HoD's clocktower theme. It's so deliciously haunting.
I've grown to like HoD's soundtrack. It's different.
Although my brother and I love the Luminous Caverns track because it's one of those "so bad it's good" pieces.
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I am torn about this. On the one hand as much as I actually enjoy the music in Lord of Shadows, I do miss the music of the classic Castlevania which evokes the series. However I would not be happy if they just included the music as way just to please fans. It has to fit Lord of Shadow 2 and can't be like that annoying fan service of putting Vampire killer in Music box Level ugh. If they can rework and put Castlevania themes in the game effectively then they should do it but they shouldn't do it as way to please us and create a bastardized version of our beloved songs that makes it lose its impact.
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Wanna surprise me in any way with remixes? Then go for the rarer gems like Battle of the Holy Man or New Messiah. And on a side note - and you can throw eggs at me for saying this - but I think the Legends versions of Vampire Killer and particularly Bloody Tears are totally shiny. Too bad Bloody Tears is so damn short.
Exactly. That's what I'm saying, and that's why I mentioned that, if they really want to make an homage to CV fans, why don't they go for rare tracks like some tracks from the GB games.
If you put your music is bad, if you put classical music is bad. Good luck to the next development team take CV ..
Sometimes I have the impression that the community of CV fans are like some older women in the salon reading magazines.
It's not that difficult. Make new music that sound like Castlevania. It can't get more simple than that.
If it's Wayforward, then the series is in good hands.
Sorry that we as Castlevania fans have been gratiously spoiled over the past decades and have a high standard for excellent and catchy music in our games, a standard that LoS didn't meet for A LOT of us.
Amen to that.
I've been saying this since I played the game, but Jake Kaufman is the one if CV doesn't go back to Konami Japan.
Wayforward makes the best looking bad games.
With all respect, if Bloodrayne: Betrayal is a bad game I can't imagine what Mirror of Fate is.
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Not bad exactly, just dull after first clear. In MoF's defense, it has 3 characters and more platforming. Aside from that it boils down to personal experiences.
And what exactly is wrong with music box Vampire Killer? :<
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And what exactly is wrong with music box Vampire Killer? :<
There is nothing wrong with that.
After all, this boils down to individual preferences, so what is good for one might not be good to another.
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There's nothing wrong with the VK music box, per se. I think it just gets unwarranted attention for such a small gesture. I'd understand the reaction if it was a different game series. It's just my opinion, but we really shouldn't have to feel so excited a game with "Castlevania" in the title has Vampire Killer playing. I think that actually emphasizes how far away LoS was from Castlevania.
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- Lords of Shadow doesn't include a classic song: Not Castlevania enough
- Lords of Shadow includes a classic song: Not Castlevania enough
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Mighty fine point-missing work there, friend.
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Not bad exactly, just dull after first clear. In MoF's defense, it has 3 characters and more platforming.
Shitty platforming, though.
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In MoF's defense, it has 3 characters and more platforming.
it has 3 characters... that are more like model-swaps. Its like if we try to defend Bomberman saying that we can choose different characters when in reality they are all pallete-swaps. In my opinion we have been teased with these information of 3 playable characters and Sypha making a appearance only to be disappointed in the end when played the game.
Sure, MoF have some pros in other aspects, but I dont find this to be one of them.
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Not bad exactly, just dull after first clear. In MoF's defense, it has 3 characters and more platforming. Aside from that it boils down to personal experiences.
And what exactly is wrong with music box Vampire Killer? :<
Nothing's wrong with Music Box Vampire Killer itself, but if Vampire Killer reduced to a tiny little theme in a box is the most Castlevania-like music experience I can remember from a game, that's enough proof of how very little Castlevania-like LoS was.
In MoF's defense, I can state that it was a step in the right direction in terms of how Castlevania the game felt. Sadly, where the look was improved, the music wasn't.
- Lords of Shadow doesn't include a classic song: Not Castlevania enough
- Lords of Shadow includes a classic song: Not Castlevania enough
Don't blame it on us, blame it on Araujo and no one else. If he had tried at least to sound like Castlevania, none of these complains would exist. If he had tried to do what Kaufman did (but with orchestral arrangements to suit the game, if you want), no one would be complaining also.
Want to make a new song that is Castlevania enough? Take inspiration from any game from 1986-2008.
Want to make a remix that is Castlevania enough? Just do that song, and if possible choose something that will truly amaze us life long fans, not just one theme we've had remixed dozens of times. Go for one rare song that only true fans know.
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- Lords of Shadow doesn't include a classic song: Not Castlevania enough
- Lords of Shadow includes a classic song: Not Castlevania enough
Mighty fine point-missing work there, friend.
I don't think he missed the point, per se. I agree with him completely and I understand exactly what the point of it is. It's really just that after all this time, the STILL ongoing complaints against Lords are getting really repetitive and looking more and more shallow that they're not changing any. Heaven forbid someone says they like it or ask why it's disliked and those against it say they're tired of hearing that and having to explain why (even though they'll say the same things with little to no originality). Just saying, again, it's really starting to get old. Can't we knock this shit off and, you know, start looking forward to future installments? This is a thread about Lords' fucking sequel for crying out loud, and the debate as to why Lords 1 sucked/didn't suck is still ongoing. A wee bit counterproductive, doncha think?
Another note:
Sorry that we as Castlevania fans have been gratiously spoiled over the past decades and have a high standard for excellent and catchy music in our games, a standard that LoS didn't meet for A LOT of us.
This is a terrible attitude to have. It's almost like you're blaming the franchise for how you act.
Anyway, I'm quite fond of the Music Box Vampire Killer. I would have liked to have heard Legends' version, personally, but it's nice as-is in my book.
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I don't think that wanting the best music is the world, as Crisis post kind of states, is a bad attitude, given that Castlevania filled that role for almost 25 years.
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Oops, my mistake. I wasn't referring to the desire for more classic music, I was referring to the attitude of "well, SOR-RY we've been spoiled for two decades" being a bad one. Seems almost like an "it's not OUR fault we're like this" excuse to me. I'll fix that now.
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Oops, my mistake. I wasn't referring to the desire for more classic music, I was referring to the attitude of "well, SOR-RY we've been spoiled for two decades" being a bad one. Seems almost like an "it's not OUR fault we're like this" excuse to me. I'll fix that now.
Well, but it isnt our fault, changes dont are welcome sometimes for some people, now imagine drastic changes.
This is a thread about Lords' fucking sequel for crying out loud, and the debate as to why Lords 1 sucked/didn't suck is still ongoing. A wee bit counterproductive, doncha think?
Its difficult to talk about productivity when we in reality cant do much until more news come out and we have more things to talk about.
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Don't worry, we'll have lots to talk about when LoS2 comes out. ;D
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I guess my issue with music box vampire killer is that it was novelty like Grant's cameo in scroll in MOF, cute but not benefiting something that great. When you hear vampire killer theme you are supposed to be pumped and this is coming from someone who actually enjoys music of the Lord of Shadow series. So I feel like the classical music needs to serve of purpose more then just be scraps of fan service. And I think composer could do it some of the classical themes justice if he wanted too.
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As far as music, LoS and MoF gave me nothing worth keeping in my MP3 folder. Except for VK Music Box and WoA, the rest of the "remixes" aren't even recognizable to me. So I don't expect much anything different from LoS2. I would like to be surprised, though.
And alls I'm sayin' is if the THEME of the HERO of an ACTION GAME makes you think of deciphering convoluted symbolic codes... something seems off about that to me.
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Well, I'm looking forward to LoS 2's soundtrack, may it contain classic tunes or not.
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I don't think he missed the point, per se. I agree with him completely and I understand exactly what the point of it is. It's really just that after all this time, the STILL ongoing complaints against Lords are getting really repetitive and looking more and more shallow that they're not changing any...
Yes he did. He went hyperbolic with what was said about the VK theme and repeated what was already said in this thread.
Look on the bright side if LoS criticism is getting to you; MercurySteam's gig is almost over. And maybe they'll raise the bar with LoS2. Thumbs up for them, but not holding my breath.