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Title: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Neobelmont on August 15, 2013, 03:09:35 AM

http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2012/02/top-100-famicom-games-as-voted-by.html (http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2012/02/top-100-famicom-games-as-voted-by.html)


Here is the list

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1) Dragon Quest 3
2) SMB
3) SMB 3
4) Final Fantasy 3
5) Dragon Quest 4
6) Dragon Quest 2
7) Dragon Quest
8) Legend of Zelda
9) Mother
10) Mario Bros (not SMB)


11) Final Fantasy
12) Kirby
13) Downtown Special - Kunio Kun no Jidaigeki Dayo Zenin Shuugou! (Kunio in Feudal Japan)
14) Downtown Nekketsu Koushin Kyoku: Soreyuke Dai Undoukai (Kunio sports)
15) Spartan X (Kung-Fu)
16) SMB 2 (Lost Levels)
17) Nekketsu Koukou Dodgeball Club (Kunio Dodgeball)
18) Final Fantasy 2
19) Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Ken
20) Sanma no Meitantei (visual novel)

21) Xevious
22) Ice Climber
23) Spelunker
24) Akumajou Dracula (Castlevania)
25) Gradius
26) Goonies
27) Captain Tsubasa
28) Konami Wai Wai World
29) Metroid
30) Takeshi no Chousejou (Takeshi “Beat” Kitano kusoge)

31) Final Fantasy 1+2 (compilation cartridge)
32) Portopia Renzoku Satsujin Jiken (Yuji Horii visual novel)
33) Nekketsu Kouha Kunio Kun (Renegade)
34) Bomberman
35) Ganbare Goemon
36) Wizardry
37) Donkey Kong
38) Okhotsk ni Kiyu - Hokkaido Rensa Satsujin (visual novel)
39) Pro Yakkyu Family Stadium (baseball game)
40) Twinbee

41) Dr Mario
42) Metal Gear
43) Excitebike
44) Fire Emblem Gaiden
45) SMB USA
46) Dai 2 Ji Super Robot Taisen
47) Tetris
48) Rockman 2
49) Kunio Kun no Nekketsu Soccer League
50) Rockman

51) Captain Tsubasa 2 Super Striker
52) Ikki
53) Kinnikuman Muscle Tag Match (aka M.U.S.C.L.E)
54) Star Soldier
55) Dragon Ball Z
56) Tower of Druaga
57) Dragon Ball Z II - Gekigami Freeze!!
58) SD “Gundam” Gachapon 2
59) Dragon Ball Z Gaiden Saya-jin Zetsumetsu Keikaku
60) Takahashi Meijin no Boukenjima (Adventure Island)


61) Ghosts 'n' Goblins
62) Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari
63) Hatori Kun
64) Metal Slader Glory
65) Lode Runner
66) Waganland
67) Balloon Fight
68) Famicom Tantei Club 2: Ushiro ni Tatsu Shoujo Kouhen (visual novel)
69) Valkyrie no Bouken - Tokinokagi Densetsu
70) Momotarou Densetsu: Peachboy Legend

71) Akumajou Densetsu (Castlevania III)
72) Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link
73) Momotarou Dentetsu (board game)
74) Contra
75) Meikyu Kumikyoku: Milon no daibouken (Milon’s Secret Castle)
76) Rockman 5
77) Rockman 3
78) Hanjuku Hero
79) Dragon Ball Z 3
80) Famista ‘89 – Kaimaku Ban!!

81) Famicom Tantei Club 2: Ushiro ni Tatsu Shoujo Zenpen (visual novel)
82) Kaijuu Monogatari
83) Famicom Wars
84) Family Jockey
85) Rockman 6
86) Dragon Ball
87) Rockman 4
88) Ganbare Goemon 2
89) SD Gundam Gaiden: Knight Gundam Monogatari
90) Legend of Kage

91) Sweet Home (pseudo-prequel to Biohazard)
92) Famicom Jump
93) Yoshi no Tamago (Yoshi’s Egg)
94) Dragon Ball 3
95) Famicom Tantei Club: Kieta Koukeisha Kouhen
96) Hokuto no Ken (Fist of the North Star)
97) Famicom Tantei Club Kieta Koukeisha Zenpen
98) Nekketsu Kakutou Densetsu (4p brawler)
99) Gundam Z Hot Scramble
100) Gradius 2

It seems japan does like cv just as much as rockman if not more at least on the famicom. While this list is old 2003 apparently. castlevania even on the famicom is popular in the rpg centric country. Rank 24,  even dracula's curse made a splash( even 71 is good to me when one takes into perspective how many games were made for the system) wow and I think cv is the highest konami game on the list as well.

It's 3:00 am here right now but I am really surprised. Not only that but I watched this on a youtube video I could not find it again so if someone could it would be awesome.

But mostly I really want to hear you opinions on this big or small please I spent time finding this stuff so I want to hear ya'll  :'(  peace out

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Pfil on August 15, 2013, 02:19:05 PM

Completely wrong.
Castlevania and Castlevania III are top ten for sure.
And no CV 2? Why in the world no CV 2?

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Ratty on August 15, 2013, 04:15:55 PM

It boggles my mind that the primitive arcade game Mario Bros. beat out so many other classic games on the NES. When I say primitive well, hell there were even a versions of it on the 2600 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az-eQffKhAE#) & 7800 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHv1TDt5TY#). But it's like the ancients said, there's no accounting for taste. Or nostalgia in this case. There are a few other surprises (The Goonies beat out Castlevania 3, Metroid and Megaman 1&2? Really?) but that was what caught my attention the most.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Pfil on August 15, 2013, 11:07:05 PM

No Tiny Toon. No Gargoyle's Quest. No Batman Return of the Joker. No Gremlins 2. No Addams Family. No Kick Master.
Mario 1 better than Mario 3?
And why, with so many jewels on the NES, games like Excite Bike and Balloon Fight are there?
I STRONGLY disagree with this list.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: DoctaMario on August 15, 2013, 11:29:44 PM

Quote from: Pfil on August 15, 2013, 11:07:05 PM

No Tiny Toon. No Gargoyle's Quest. No Batman Return of the Joker. No Gremlins 2. No Addams Family. No Kick Master.
Mario 1 better than Mario 3?
And why, with so many jewels on the NES, games like Excite Bike and Balloon Fight are there?
I STRONGLY disagree with this list.

I doubt they know the Addams family over there and I'd be surprised
If Tiny Toons and Batman were that popular (I'd be surprised if they didn't know Batman though.) But by and large I agree.

What did we learn here tonight my fine friends? We learned that whenit comes to NES games, the Japanesers have NO TASTE! xD

Historically Castlevania has always done better in NA and EU than Jp so I'm not surprised by this ranking at all really.  :P

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 16, 2013, 12:40:28 AM

The Japanese are just huge RPG fanatics.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Pfil on August 16, 2013, 11:43:04 AM

So most japanese players didn't play Addams Family, Tiny Toon, Batman, Gargoyle's Quest and Kick Master?
Even now that they are available everywhere via emulation?
I know they are RPG fanatics, and that's OK, but they can't miss some great games like the ones I mentioned. At least part of them.
There's plenty of more great, complex games for the NES to be filling the ranking with simple and primitive games like Excite Bike and Balloon Fight.
I... don't get it. I just don't get it.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Neobelmont on August 16, 2013, 03:01:30 PM

Quote from: Shiroi Koumori on August 16, 2013, 12:40:28 AM

The Japanese are just huge RPG fanatics.

I know that's why I'm surprised that cv got that ranking it's very high in a country that's very RPG CENTRIC.

Quote from: Pfil on August 16, 2013, 11:43:04 AM

So most japanese players didn't play Addams Family, Tiny Toon, Batman, Gargoyle's Quest and Kick Master?
Even now that they are available everywhere via emulation?
I know they are RPG fanatics, and that's OK, but they can't miss some great games like the ones I mentioned. At least part of them.
There's plenty of more great, complex games for the NES to be filling the ranking with simple and primitive games like Excite Bike and Balloon Fight.
I... don't get it. I just don't get it.

Emulation yuck  :-X  But I think that games like  Fire emblem, FF 2-3, gestu fuma, legend of valkyrie, and even mother is that some games are exclusive at least that's what I think maybe I'm wrong. battletoads is on the famicom even and that's not on there and it's much more easy if I gathered correctly from Arino playing it on Gamecenter cx

Quote from: DoctaMario on August 15, 2013, 11:29:44 PM

What did we learn here tonight my fine friends? We learned that whenit comes to NES games, the Japanesers have NO TASTE! xD

Historically Castlevania has always done better in NA and EU than Jp so I'm not surprised by this ranking at all really.  :P

Maybe that's why ther are in the situation they are in now. Ohh nut shot right there XD.

But still seeing as how castlevania so high is the shocker I think I never even thought japan would roll that way with the series and being so RPG focused would not Simon's Quest be high on the list then?

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Lelygax on August 16, 2013, 03:13:44 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on August 16, 2013, 03:01:30 PM

Emulation yuck  :-X

You know that this Virtual Console and almost all old games available to buy in these PSN run via emulation right? You can even "inject" a different ROM inside a Virtual Console file for Wii.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Neobelmont on August 16, 2013, 03:25:34 PM

Quote from: Lelygax on August 16, 2013, 03:13:44 PM

You know that this Virtual Console and almost all old games available to buy in these PSN run via emulation right? You can even "inject" a different ROM inside a Virtual Console file for Wii.

I kind of forget that but my beef is more with the computer emulation like zsnes(I have tales of phantasia and earthbound) but still I hate it  . I do not do this unless if I really cannot afford it. It's not my preference to play games like this especially on computer. 

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Thomas Belmont on August 16, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

Quote from: Ratty on August 15, 2013, 04:15:55 PM

There are a few other surprises (The Goonies beat out Castlevania 3, Metroid and Megaman 1&2? Really?) but that was what caught my attention the most.

I love The Goonies ll! The game is awesome! Very underrated.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Abnormal Freak on August 16, 2013, 04:05:51 PM

The Japanese sure like their Dragon Quest.

It's been said in the past that Japanese gamers were mostly into RPGs whereas Americans preferred action games. I think that's the reasoning for some action games being "toughened up" for their US releases like Contra: Hard Corps—one-hit death instead of the original three health points.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Pfil on August 16, 2013, 04:08:53 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on August 16, 2013, 03:25:34 PM

I kind of forget that but my beef is more with the computer emulation like zsnes(I have tales of phantasia and earthbound) but still I hate it  . I do not do this unless if I really cannot afford it. It's not my preference to play games like this especially on computer. 

I understand that. But for some people emulation is the only way to play some games they would miss otherwise.
Like with japanese games.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Lelygax on August 16, 2013, 10:29:07 PM

Quote from: Abnormal Freak on August 16, 2013, 04:05:51 PM

The Japanese sure like their Dragon Quest.

They have prohibited it from launching outside end of weeks, because people started skipping their job only to play this game in the launch day at their homes. So yeah, they love it lol

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on August 16, 2013, 11:59:09 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on August 16, 2013, 03:01:30 PM

I know that's why I'm surprised that cv got that ranking it's very high in a country that's very RPG CENTRIC.

I'm also looking at the other titles and I believe the BGMs have something to do with it.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Maedhros on August 17, 2013, 03:19:46 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on August 16, 2013, 03:25:34 PM

I kind of forget that but my beef is more with the computer emulation like zsnes(I have tales of phantasia and earthbound) but still I hate it  . I do not do this unless if I really cannot afford it. It's not my preference to play games like this especially on computer.

That's, like, your oppinion man. Just don't go saying things that make you look like elitist (emulation, yuck! let's look for a NES on Ebay and spend thousand of dollars to get a original cartridge instead of buying these 20+ old games for $0.30+ these days).

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Ratty on August 17, 2013, 03:42:41 PM

Quote from: Abnormal Freak on August 16, 2013, 04:05:51 PM

The Japanese sure like their Dragon Quest.

It's been said in the past that Japanese gamers were mostly into RPGs whereas Americans preferred action games. I think that's the reasoning for some action games being "toughened up" for their US releases like Contra: Hard Corps—one-hit death instead of the original three health points.

Another part of it is that game rentals are not allowed in Japan while they were big in the US back in the day. So they made games harder so you couldn't beat them over a 3 day rental period. Also don't forget that the real Mario 2 wasn't released in the US because they thought it would be too difficult for American gamers. I like Super Mario Bros. 2 USA better anyway. Birdo and Shyguy forever!

As for the topic of emulation, while I enjoy having and using the physical media an awful lot the plain truth is that we should all get used to the idea of playing older games via some form of emulation like the VC. Because game cartridges and discs and the devices to play them won't last forever. In 40 or 50 years you can be sure the only way to experience a lot of these old games will be through emulation, hell a lot of them are already 25+ years old. At some point it becomes only a question of whether the circuits will wear out from use or heat/dry rot will get them first.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Neobelmont on August 17, 2013, 04:09:34 PM

Quote from: Maedhros on August 17, 2013, 03:19:46 PM

That's, like, your oppinion man. Just don't go saying things that make you look like elitist (emulation, yuck! let's look for a NES on Ebay and spend thousand of dollars to get a original cartridge instead of buying these 20+ old games for $0.30+ these days).

Did I not say that I have tales of phantasia and earthbound emulated and I only do this if it's a last resort? What's so wrong and so elitist about wanting the actual cartridge/disk in your hand? If someone does emulation that's their thing but again like I said I like holding the physical copy in my hand and putting it into the system and is that so wrong? 

And yes of course it's my opinion like I can't share it? Come on now just because I don't prefer doing emulations makes me sound like an elitist? Like I could afford a neo-geo game(maybe not now but one day)  :rollseyes:
So yeah I see your point but I'm still sticking to my mine but maybe hate was a tad strong?  :P

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Maedhros on August 17, 2013, 04:16:51 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on August 17, 2013, 04:09:34 PM

Did I not say that I have tales of phantasia and earthbound emulated and I only do this if it's a last resort? What's so wrong and so elitist about wanting the actual cartridge/disk in your hand? If someone does emulation that's their thing but again like I said I like holding the physical copy in my hand and putting it into the system and is that so wrong? 

And yes of course it's my opinion like I can't share it? Come on now just because I don't prefer doing emulations makes me sound like an elitist? Like I could afford a neo-geo game  :rollseyes:
So yeah I see your point but I'm still sticking to my point but maybe hate was a tad strong?  :P

I understand your point too. I can see the benefits of playing on the original hardware.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Neobelmont on August 17, 2013, 04:19:48 PM

Quote from: Maedhros on August 17, 2013, 04:16:51 PM

I understand your point too. I can see the benefits of playing on the original hardware.

 :) Yeah but :

Quote from: Ratty on August 17, 2013, 03:42:41 PM

Another part of it is that game rentals are not allowed in Japan while they were big in the US back in the day. So they made games harder so you couldn't beat them over a 3 day rental period. Also don't forget that the real Mario 2 wasn't released in the US because they thought it would be too difficult for American gamers. I like Super Mario Bros. 2 USA better anyway. Birdo and Shyguy forever!

As for the topic of emulation, while I enjoy having and using the physical media an awful lot the plain truth is that we should all get used to the idea of playing older games via some form of emulation like the VC. Because game cartridges and discs and the devices to play them won't last forever. In 40 or 50 years you can be sure the only way to experience a lot of these old games will be through emulation, hell a lot of them are already 25+ years old. At some point it becomes only a question of whether the circuits will wear out from use or heat/dry rot will get them first.

 Maybe I'm just a stubborn mule  but it will happen eventually  :( I can't deny the fact that emulators will never die.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: Ratty on August 17, 2013, 05:54:28 PM

Quote from: Neobelmont on August 17, 2013, 04:19:48 PM

:) Yeah but :

 Maybe I'm just a stubborn mule  but it will happen eventually  :( I can't deny the fact that emulators will never die.

Well, they'll hopefully die significantly slower anyway lol. But it's good they exist so the history of gaming won't be lost like so much of film history has. (It's been estimated that around 80 to 90% of silent films are now "lost" and probably no longer exist in any form. While some estimate that 50% of America sound films made before the 1960s are now lost. To say nothing of the only partially extant films.) But I agree having the original hardware is fun, it's a layer of the experience. Not an essential layer but one that's nice to have if the hardware still works and you can afford it. If I didn't agree I probably wouldn't have all of these consoles in front of me heh.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: DoctaMario on August 17, 2013, 10:29:31 PM

Most of the games I emulate are game's I've owned hard copies of. I've owned an NES, SNES, Genesis, GameBoy, N64, PSX and on up. Maybe it's because I've played the games on their original hardware by in some cases thr emulation can be better. No more having to worry about glitchy cartridges or controllers tha stop working. Plus having it all on one device instead of being spread across several different consoles (that all take up space around your tv.)

I dunno, I'm pretty partial to emulation even if just to conserve space. Plus like Ratty said, we have te entire history of gaming available online for free. I can't see how that's a bad thing. I like that if I'm somewhere and want to play CV1 I can just download an emu and a rom quick and get my fix.

Title: Re: castlevania and japan. Something I found out concerning the famicom
Post by: shelverton. on August 18, 2013, 03:43:59 PM

I stopped reading after I saw Xevious beating Metroid. And Castlevania for that matter. And the entire Mega Man series. But yeah, who am I to judge...