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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Pfil on August 27, 2013, 02:21:41 PM
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From my personal experience, I can recall (not in order):
* The Lecarde Chronicles
* Prinny 2: Dawn of Operation Panties
* Dragon's Lair
* Battletoads
* Circle of the Moon
* Prinny: Can I Really Be The Hero
* Grandia III
I didn't finish all of them, but for the ones I did not, I played almost until the end; but I was thinking last night and I told my brother that The Lecarde Chronicles must be the hardest game in years (not that it is a bad thing).
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Hmm...probably Gradius 4 or Haunted Castle. Which isn't to say I didn't get anywhere in them, but I've never beaten either of them, even with kicking the difficulty down to easy and bumping up lives on Gradius. :P
Mortal Kombat Trilogy gets an honorable mention but it's not so much hard as it is the computer is a fucking cheater! >:(
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Hmm...probably Gradius 4 or Haunted Castle. Which isn't to say I didn't get anywhere in them, but I've never beaten either of them, even with kicking the difficulty down to easy and bumping up lives on Gradius. :P
Mortal Kombat Trilogy gets an honorable mention but it's not so much hard as it is the computer is a fucking cheater! >:(
Yeah what little semblance of balance or fairness the Mortal Kombat games originally had got thrown out the window with Trilogy. (On the other hand the 1-button fatality cheat was amusing then.) I'll definitely second Haunted Castle. The hardest games I've ever beat have all been in the Castlevania series, plus some in the Serious Sam and, to a much less difficult degree, Doom series.
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Contra Shattered Solider. Hard as hell still even to this day!
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Gonna go with Battletoads. May or may not be the hardest, but it definitely stands out in my mind as such.
I eventually did beat the game, not without Game Genie. Funny thing is, even with cheat codes, that game was still incredibly difficult. It had such codes as "NEAR invincibility" or something like that.
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Some of Capcom's earlier arcade efforts were mind numbingly hard, even though you could use ifinite credits to credit feed to the finish.
Capcom's hardest:
Ghosts N Goblins
Ghouls N Ghosts - fairer than Ghosts, but still a tad rough
The Speed Rumbler
Trojan
Tiger Road
Companies like Irem thrived off tough games, Toaplan also thrived off their difficult shmups. Taito had a few tough games, and their shmups usuaully had a bit of toughness to them.
Konami didn't play fair in a lot of their games across multiple systems. In other words, there was a lot of hard games back then, too many to name.
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Super Ghouls and Ghosts might be the hardest one I beat.
Together with Prinny 1.
With save states, I beat Haunted Castle (stage 4 without cheats), Battletoads (I got to the final boss using warps but not cheats, but never defeated Dark Queen "legally").
I keep separate lists from the games I beat without cheats and with cheats, and usually, save states are from when I really like the game but there was no way of beating a particular part (sometimes I don't have enough skills).
I beat individually each of 4 Dragon's Lair stages and the final boss, but never did it in one continue from scratch.
And I still could't get through the arena stage in Circle of the Moon.
But I did beat Rebirth in hard classic mode, and I'm close to finish The Lecarde Chronicles, so maybe those are the hardest games I finished, together with Castlevania 3.
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Hmm... This is a good question I've been alot of hard games some beaten some not beaten but the I have would be this
Ghost and Goblins nes
Ninja Gaiden
Dark Soul's
Legend of the mystical ninja one the 3ds trust me this is one of the games where you need that restore point.
Dragon Crystal for the game gear/3ds. If you have beaten this game on the original hardware congratulations this game is so cheap so can get spawned in a square with no exit and it's impossible to beat the last enemies.
You would be surprised but tokimeki memorial on the snes is shockingly difficult "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" I can't say it any better once one of those bombs go off it's over.
shin megami tensei iv. It's more than just grinding now you can still be op and get your butt handed to you if your not careful.
These are off the top of my head but some more will come back later.
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Ren and Stimpy: Veediots.
That fucking teeth level goes on forever.
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Ninja Gaiden 3 NES
Super Bros. 8 (a "Don Dokopon 2" or something like that hack for NES, I beat it when I had 5 yr)
Blasto PSX
Blue Brothers SNES (this one is just unfair, even more with 2 players, its almost at battletoads level I think)
Dragon's Lair SNES
Adventure Island NES (all of them, but 1 seems to be the most difficult, never beaten it)
The King of Fighters 94's Rugal and XI's Magaki (Beat Rugal with savestates and Magaki using these bonuses that you receive after using a continue, Rugal is unfair and Magaki too, look at this:
King of Fighters XI [PS2] | Kasumi Todoh vs Magaki (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRMJEmQAoj4#ws)
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Also someone else thinks Magaki could fit well as a CV boss?
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R-Type 3: Brutal as f**k. (had to use save states to beat it)
Battletoads: That f**king turbo tunnel. Never should have been in the game. (Unbeatable for me to this day and I don't bother trying either. The hit boxes for walls, landings, jumps and launch ramps are buggy at best)
Super Ghouls & Ghosts: You need the goddess bracelet in order to finish off the final boss, and you need to go back to the beginning of the game in order to acquire it, then try not to lose it buy picking up other weapons. (Had to use game genie just to dumb down the difficulty or at least give me a semi-reasonable chance)
Wolverine Adamantium Rage for the SNES: Also a killer and mainly because you only have one life throughout the entire game. You have hit points and they do recharge, however in the middle of a fight it's almost impossible. (It took some time, years mainly, but I was able to beat it without the aforementioned above)
Sim City for SNES: To this day I have never gotten a max population of 500,000 people. Even when following a diagram of the most plausible course of action to grantee that goal. (I did hear the music for the Megalopolis segment and it sucks compared to the up-beat metropolis tune, so I guess I'm not missing out on much aside from the Mario statue)
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It seems Battletoads and Super Ghouls and Ghosts are receiving a lot of votes (if some poll existed :P).
For me, it's 1-1 vs. them.
Finished SG&G but never beat Dark Queen in Battletoads.
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I thought Contra was harder than Battletoads... I also thought NG games were harder than Battle Toads...
To this day, I don't understand the idea of it being that hard. I did play it with 2 players instead of single though.
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What I don't understand about NG is why the game makes you go back to stage 6-1 when you lose a life in the final boss.
What I did when that happened, is simply close the emulator and never go back to the game.
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I wouldn't even ca;ll SGnG the hardest of the series, the original game has yet to be topped in difficulty, not even the PSP sequel/revision of sequel which some consider the toughest of the bunch.
Twinbee is one of those shmup series from Konami that doesn't get a whole lot of talk these days, but those games were very very tough. Fast enemy fire while juggling bells for powers lead to lots and lots of credit feeding for some people. Sure the last 2 arcade titles had unlimited continus, but as I've said before, if you limit continues to 1-5, you'll be surprised how brutally tough those games really are.
*brought to you by a fan of Twinbee, me.*
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The PSP version (Ultimate GnG, right? Maybe there's another one I don't know) isn't that difficult.
But the original arcade game is a hell of difficulty. Another game I could NEVER beat. With a lot of continues I made it to the last level.
And the NES port is hard because it's one of the worst ports I've seen.
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Battletoads. I remember years ago, someone wrote on the Wikipedia page something like, If you can pass the Turbo Tunnel, grab yourself a beer and call it a day, because the rest of this shit is impossible.
Couldn't have said it better.
I remember Cobra Triangle getting pretty hard once you got to the moving ramps and waterfalls.
Bayou Billy was ridiculous, but only because the US version of the game was really screwed up. I actually kind of enjoyed the Japanese version.
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Battetoads for game boy........if you managed to pass the swamp rally stage, then there is that stage where a huge saw is chasing you in a crazy labyrinth, not to mention the stage where you are climbing giant snakes e.t.c. Well, i have finished it and when i have done it, i felt like a champion...lol.
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Another game I forgot to mention is Codename: Viper. Addicting as hell but also difficult in it's own right. You have very little in the way of hit points and usually you die in one or two hits (depending on what kills you). You can get life upgrades which will allow you to take more punishment however you still need to be very, very careful. I managed to beat this game several times but it is a real challenge.
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What I don't understand about NG is why the game makes you go back to stage 6-1 when you lose a life in the final boss.
What I did when that happened, is simply close the emulator and never go back to the game.
What I did when that happened, is simply stay up till late in the morning and tried over and over again till I beat it on my retro-bit/nes and go back to it.
I got them within a close time so I can't remember which one I beat NG first on but I do recall beating NG at my friends on my retro-bit a couple days afterward. At first he doubted me that I could beat it he was like bullshit so I showed him the ending screen after he said that :P
At one point I did consider contra on the nes hard but not anymore. I did beat it without the code yet my friend on the other hand ehh. His specialties are fps while mines are the old stuff. I got hit on the last boss right when I was about to beat him. I had one life left and till that point he used all of my men up (mind you we did use the code) so he dealt the final blow by taking my final life >:( I remember this because I told him to stop but no..... freaking ass >:(
Edit: That was such a horrible sentence why did I say it twice? Freaking Lelygax :P ;)
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The saving grace on Ninja Gaiden is, although it sends you back after losing to one of the 3 final boss forms, you never have to re-battle any of them that you kill. So you can essentially go into the boss room, spam that diagonal fire attack, die on the next form, make your way back to the boss room, rinse and repeat. There's no friggin' way I'd ever have been able to beat Ninja Gaiden if the game made you kill all 3 boss forms in a row.
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Hey I was thinking and what everyone thinks about a new Castlevania with a Battletoads or SGnG difficulty? (inb4 I said new, so no Haunted Castle or something like that lol)
I've beaten Ninja Gaiden 3, I've played it when I was a kid and could beat some stages, also we discovered all passwords of the game, I never expected that the "plane level" was the last one. I remember beating the first boss using my kamikaze technique (attacking him ignoring damage received) a lot of times. I've beaten it 7 years ago I think.
At one point I considered contra one the nes hard not really anymore I did beat it without the code my friend on the other hand, his specialties are fps mines are the old stuff he was such a cheat in contra he took all my extra men mind you we did use the code. I got hit on the last level right when I was going to beat the last boss I had one life left and he used all of my men up till then >:( I remember this because I told him to stop but no..... freaking ass >:(
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zmujY4mY7Bs/UOSvCgBjVrI/AAAAAAAAERI/hkWhLZzmT6U/s1600/komikero.gif)
What a dick, tell me more about your harem and how your friend stolen all your extra men. Since they were extra ones you still have some right? xD
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Hey I was thinking and what everyone thinks about a new Castlevania with a Battletoads or SGnG difficulty? (inb4 I said new, so no Haunted Castle or something like that lol)
I've beaten Ninja Gaiden 3, I've played it when I was a kid and could beat some stages, also we discovered all passwords of the game, I never expected that the "plane level" was the last one. I remember beating the first boss using my kamikaze technique (attacking him ignoring damage received) a lot of times. I've beaten it 7 years ago I think.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zmujY4mY7Bs/UOSvCgBjVrI/AAAAAAAAERI/hkWhLZzmT6U/s1600/komikero.gif)
What a dick, tell me more about your harem and how your friend stolen all your extra men. Since they were extra ones you still have some right? xD
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ha ha :P I hate when I do that but yes I thought I did not write that at first. Maybe I need to double check more often XD That was a derp moment :P
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I've beaten Ninja Gaiden 3, I've played it when I was a kid and could beat some stages, also we discovered all passwords of the game, I never expected that the "plane level" was the last one. I remember beating the first boss using my kamikaze technique (attacking him ignoring damage received) a lot of times. I've beaten it 7 years ago I think.
You're playing the Japanese version. The US version was supposedly made much harder (I've never played the Japanese one, so I can't compare). The US one has no password system, more scarce powerups, and only five continues. I've only made it to the sixth level of the US version. I've beaten the first two NES Ninja Gaidens, so I think the third is considerably tougher.
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Yes, it was the JP one.
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I haven't played some of the games already mentioned, but out of the games I've played these are what I consider the hardest:
Haunted Castle
Contra (NES)
Gauntlet (NES)
Ghosts n' Goblins (NES)
Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne (PS2)
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Doremi Fantasy, the first game Milon's Secret Castle is pretty tough (I like this one so screw AVGN), but this sequel is much better in terms of level design. But the thing is the game starts you off nice and slowly, but by the volcano world the game really ramps up the difficulty challenge to the point of near frustration. You do get infinite continues, but that's likely due to how hard the game gets in the last levels, and in some levels far sooner.
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Hey I was thinking and what everyone thinks about a new Castlevania with a Battletoads or SGnG difficulty? (inb4 I said new, so no Haunted Castle or something like that lol)
You mean like CotM, Rebith in hard classic mode and Lecarde Chronicles?
As much as I love those 3 games, I'd rather have a little less difficulty. It comes a moment when it gets overwhelming.
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Doremi Fantasy, the first game Milon's Secret Castle is pretty tough (I like this one so screw AVGN)
I'd almost say it's every bit as shitty as the Nerd said it is. :p But it is a pretty cool game regardless.
It's just so cryptic and hard to play. I played it over and over as a kid, never beating it till I saw coverage in a How to Win at Nintendo book. Took me through how to get through the later stages, and when you finally reach the end, I think it just has a black screen that says Game Over. I felt seriously gypped.
It is fun in its own bizarre way. I'd like to take a serious crack at it again sometime without any walkthroughs.
Do-Re-Mi Fantasy is a far superior game, that's for sure.
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You mean like CotM, Rebith in hard classic mode and Lecarde Chronicles?
As much as I love those 3 games, I'd rather have a little less difficulty. It comes a moment when it gets overwhelming.
Well, they could add a easy mode.
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Well, they could add a easy mode.
They will.
And a hard mode! That will be the HARDEST CV EVER!!!! ;D
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Bayou Billy was ridiculous, but only because the US version of the game was really screwed up. I actually kind of enjoyed the Japanese version.
What's the difference between the US and Jap versions? O_o I owned that game, and loved it, but I could never beat those last two guys. :P
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Used to beat the crap out of Bayou Billy back in the day, it was the only game I had for awhile. I got tired of it and traded for my current copy of SMB 2 only years later to get another cart of Bayou Billy. Full circle of life there.
Bayou Billy isn't hard compared to Trojan in arcades or the slightly easier NES version, or the arcade version of Tiger Road, these 2 literally followed the Ghosts N Goblins formula with forever spawning enemies and stage timers. Ironically both were also made by Capcom and shared the same game engine as GnG. That engine shall get a nickname from me, Satan's Hellspawn Hardware. Ironically enough I managed to beat both of them, but credit feeding was the only way, and Trojan has a more vicious second loop, Tiger Road thankfully is just 1 hellish loop.
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SMB 2
[Vinesauce] Vinny - Super Mario Bros 2 Corruptions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV-D1ggFUj8#)
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Used to beat the crap out of Bayou Billy back in the day, it was the only game I had for awhile. I got tired of it and traded for my current copy of SMB 2 only years later to get another cart of Bayou Billy. Full circle of life there.
Bayou Billy isn't hard compared to Trojan in arcades or the slightly easier NES version, or the arcade version of Tiger Road, these 2 literally followed the Ghosts N Goblins formula with forever spawning enemies and stage timers. Ironically both were also made by Capcom and shared the same game engine as GnG. That engine shall get a nickname from me, Satan's Hellspawn Hardware. Ironically enough I managed to beat both of them, but credit feeding was the only way, and Trojan has a more vicious second loop, Tiger Road thankfully is just 1 hellish loop.
The arcade version of Trojan... I had to use A LOT of credits to beat it (in MAME). There's a particular part where you have to fight 2 moustached guys with robots arms at the same time. That's so, so hard!
And the final boss in the end was just waiting to have luck and beat him.
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Yeah those 2 guys with the arms, second underground base stage I believe, both very annoying because they sandwich you in between if you don't manage to get over them and corner them instead. The last boss, Achillies is indeed a pain but strategy is the only way to take him down, button mashing doesn't seem to work against him like it can a couple other bosses.
I don't bother with it in MAME these days, it's in a Capcom Classics Collection, so is Tiger Road. Ghosts N Goblins/Makaimura is in it too, but it runs faster than it should, so PS1 or Saturn for that conversion.
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I could only beat the set 2 of Ghosts and Goblins, the giant devils are very difficult in set 1.
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I prefer the Japanese version, instead of a dumb shield to throw at enemies, you get a nice looking crucifix.
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tower of druaga. I only got to the tenth floor
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I prefer the Japanese version, instead of a dumb shield to throw at enemies, you get a nice looking crucifix.
It's a nice touch. But I believe the japanese version is ever harder than Set 1, since the giant devils are fast but in the final stage everything's changed and there are more enemies.
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tower of druaga. I only got to the tenth floor
Very good game, but gets way complicated for a game from 1984. The way to get some items necessary to finish the game is absolutely insane, and it is something I've not dared to do.
Got on Namco Museum 1, I should get it on FC and Gameboy too.
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Very good game, but gets way complicated for a game from 1984. The way to get some items necessary to finish the game is absolutely insane, and it is something I've not dared to do.
Got on Namco Museum 1, I should get it on FC and Gameboy too.
Tower of Druaga doesnt come in Namco Museum Vol. 1 for PSX, are you talking about a Namco Museum for another console or did you mistake it by another one? I know it because thats the only Namco Museum that I have (Toy Pop is so cool :) )
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I don't really know if they're that hard, but I've never beaten a main-series Mega Man game. I always give up on Wily's Castle. Or before, in the case of Mega Man 1. I could never master the shifting blocks.
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Tower of Druaga doesnt come in Namco Museum Vol. 1 for PSX, are you talking about a Namco Museum for another console or did you mistake it by another one? I know it because thats the only Namco Museum that I have (Toy Pop is so cool :) )
My mistake, it's on Volume 3 on PSX, which is right in front of my face as I type this.
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I don't really know if they're that hard, but I've never beaten a main-series Mega Man game. I always give up on Wily's Castle. Or before, in the case of Mega Man 1. I could never master the shifting blocks.
Shifting blocks ever follows a pattern, you only need to memorize, predict and synchronize with them :)
My mistake, it's on Volume 3 on PSX, which is right in front of my face as I type this.
Cool, since we're talking about this, you can tell me how many volumes they have released and how much it costs today?
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Shifting blocks ever follows a pattern, you only need to memorize, predict and synchronize with them :)
I know they follow a pattern. Unfortunately, so do I: I fall off a block, have to start from the last checkpoint (+1 to anger), do it again, (+1 to anger), again (+1) again (+1) again and then I throw the controller at the screen and ragequit.
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I know they follow a pattern. Unfortunately, so do I: I fall off a block, have to start from the last checkpoint (+1 to anger), do it again, (+1 to anger), again (+1) again (+1) again and then I throw the controller at the screen and ragequit.
LOL I feel your pain, I rage at some games, but never quits.
TThe trick is to do all these things before trying to jump, you can train in Iceman's stage since if you fail you still survives.
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I beat Castlevania III tonight for the millionth-or-so time, and streamed it so a dungeon member here could see.
Unfortunately, due to the framerate issues of my capture setup, the game was needlessly harder (the mermen's shadows on the water in stage 6-0B and 9-04 had to get lucky-struck because they were completely invisible while capturing, so I had to save-state and go fully on hope alone).
Beat the game saving Grant but finishing with Sypha.
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I beat Castlevania III tonight for the millionth-or-so time, and streamed it so a dungeon member here could see.
Unfortunately, due to the framerate issues of my capture setup, the game was needlessly harder (the mermen's shadows on the water in stage 6-0B and 9-04 had to get lucky-struck because they were completely invisible while capturing, so I had to save-state and go fully on hope alone).
Beat the game saving Grant but finishing with Sypha.
You streamed it in Twitch.tv? You should have telled us so we could watch too :)
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Beat the game saving Grant but finishing with Sypha.
That's my preferred choice of partners. Grant is a lot of fun to play with, but Sypha's Fire Spell can rip through Dracula's first form in no time, then Trevor can finish off the other two with the Axe.
I'm sure there are harder games out there, but Zelda II remains the most difficult game that I've ever played. The Great Palace is both the easiest and most difficult dungeon in the series, and certainly the largest. Easiest in that if you know the route, you can just go straight to the boss, but hardest in that the dungeon is HUGE if you ever get lost, along with those damn bird knights. . .
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You streamed it in Twitch.tv? You should have telled us so we could watch too :)
I use uStream. ;)
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Even so, Im interested in these streams. If possible I want to see the next one if you make something similar again :)
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Dragon's Lair for the NES!!!!!! I can't even get past the first screen....
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Dragon's Lair for the NES!!!!!! I can't even get past the first screen....
Wait until you get to the 3rd stage. I could never beat that one without using save states, though I could get through Level 3 after many tries starting from it.
And not to mention the final boss (and the jump preceding it)...