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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: Mooning Freddy on September 11, 2013, 12:15:39 PM
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Okay this is really a IMHO thread but let us try it.
Post about anyone or anything that everybody goes crazy about but you're only response is "meh".
The Beatles: It's not like I don't like the band, I just think they don't deserve all the fame they gained. 90% or their songs are jollier than life and not longer than 4 minutes. And everything is about love and friendship and Hari Krishna. fantastic.
The Shawshank Redemption: A nice, interesting story, but after watching it I can't say it made me think or taught me anything or entertained me enough to ever watch it again. It simply didn't "move" me the way films like Apocalypse Now, American History X or Requiem for a dream did.
Sushi: It's a small piece of raw fish wrapped up in rice with some vegetables. I get the feeling people only like it because it's oriental, and oriental food is considered a delicacy now. Oh well.
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The Shawshank Redemption: A nice, interesting story, but after watching it I can't say it made me think or taught me anything or entertained me enough to ever watch it again. It simply didn't "move" me the way films like Apocalypse Now, American History X or Requiem for a dream did.
I suppose most things are subjective, after all. While I haven't seen the other two, RFAD is such tedious bullshit in my mind, whereas Shawshank is a perfect 5-star movie. Much more real characters, real scenarios, something to really grasp on to and say, "This is human." The technical merits are also high and beyond, which I'd say is more objective. ;)
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I have nothing to defend about the Beatles or the Shawshank Redemption. I find most of the Beatles work to be unlistenable and Shawshank is an ok movie at best.
However, I will step up and defend sushi, since it's a good way to eat fish without a lot of mess and stink. It's healthy, too. On top of this there are many possibilities as to what kind of fish you can use to make it.
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Sushi: It's a small piece of raw fish wrapped up in rice with some vegetables. I get the feeling people only like it because it's oriental, and oriental food is considered a delicacy now. Oh well.
Actually what you're describing are called Maki rolls. They were developed in the second world war as rations for the Japanese forces and since then have become widely popular amongst civilians.
Bob Dilan. I don't get why he's so popular. At all. He's not even really trying to sing to the songs he plays, and if he does he's awful at it. Virtually no singing talent what-so-ever. Had he come onto America's got talent today as an unknown, he'd be booted off the stage. Not only that but the majority of his work (maybe all of it) was stolen materiel from other artists he knew, especially a woman artist he knew very well and was with for a time, although her name escapes me at the moment. And as for his biography it's pretty much a lie. The guy can't be honest even to his so-called fans. In terms of Country Western he's the worst. His music does absolutely nothing for me and is a chore to listen to. I'd rather sit through Johnny Cash. At least he was more talented.
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Justin Bieber.
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Ocarina of Time is very overrated. People talk about the game like it's the second coming.
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Bob Dilan. I don't get why he's so popular. At all. He's not even really trying to sing to the songs he plays, and if he does he's awful at it. Virtually no singing talent what-so-ever. Had he come onto America's got talent today as an unknown, he'd be booted off the stage. Not only that but the majority of his work (maybe all of it) was stolen materiel from other artists he knew, especially a woman artist he knew very well and was with for a time, although her name escapes me at the moment. And as for his biography it's pretty much a lie. The guy can't be honest even to his so-called fans. In terms of Country Western he's the worst. His music does absolutely nothing for me and is a chore to listen to. I'd rather sit through Johnny Cash. At least he was more talented.
Part of that might be that Bob Dylan only put out like one Country album; the rest of his output is mostly Folk Rock. And yeah, it pretty much all sucked, but the hippies loved it in the 60's and now they and their descendants are the ones running Rolling Stone, which of course tells us what music we're supposed to like. He's pretty much the start of the "College dbag strumming an acoustic guitar" style of music.
As for Ocarina of Time, it's OK, but I think you sort of had to be there. I wasn't, so I found it to be good but- I'd already been helped to generous portions of Ultima Underworld and Final Fantasy VII. I think Majora's Mask was a much better swing at an N64 Zelda game, as it went in some unpredictable directions.
Firefly. Yeah, it's a good show. Yeah, it only got a single season. No, it wasn't as good as Farscape.
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Firefly. Yeah, it's a good show. Yeah, it only got a single season. No, it wasn't as good as Farscape.
Neither was that Battlestar Galactica remake which replaced Farscape. Too bad we didn't get the final season but at least we got the Peacekeeper Wars miniseries.
I agree Bob Dylan is way overrated though I do love "My Back Pages", "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Like A Rolling Stone" though from the sound of it those might have all been stolen.
Steve Jobs ugh. Just because he promoted (not personally developed but promoted) gadgets that were "cool" he gets treated like some kind of Ghandi figure, despite being just another greedy corporate suite. This is especially annoying when you realize Bill Gates is still the butt of jokes about greedy tech gurus to this day, despite the fact that Gates actually did something to help people with his money. Specifically he's played a large part in bringing disease vaccinations to the 3rd world. Meanwhile Jobs was designing a "super yacht" so big they didn't even finish it before he died. While we're at it...
Apple Products their products are well made, but not enough to justify their prices for the needs of the average consumer. I suspect many members of the Apple cult are starting to realize this but will never admit it because they've got hundreds of dollars sunk into Apple apps and itunes.
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Ugh. Battlestar Galactica was an unending bore. The original was cheesy, but unpretentious and enjoyable- and the reboot was none of those things.
Apple products have probably the worst value-to-cost ratio on the market. I had a MacBook Pro, bought one when it first came out. 2 power cables literally MELTED. And then cost $80 to replace. The only thing I miss is GarageBand.
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Oh, man! This is like something done for me! :)
Let me start: Metal Gear Solid, Banjo Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Crash Bandicoot...
The Godfather, Batman: The Dark Knight, Pulp Fiction, City of God, Memento, Saving Private Ryan... well, most of iMDb Top 250, to be honest.
Some of that is good stuff, but (IMHO) it's not excellent like so many people (and critics) say.
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I get in arguments over Apple all the time, but then I usually drop it. Apple's newer stuff I don't fight over, but their computers are just pure crap. You can't customize them. You can't upgrade them. You can repair them. It's a great business strategy, but only works on the idiots or the lazy. My parents love Macs. My friends like Macs. I told them to keep the damned things away from me. If I want more RAM, I won't go out and buy a new computer, I'll buy more RAM. If I want a better graphics card, I'll go out and... buy a new computer, but that's just me and because if I want a better card I also want more RAM and a bigger hard drive and by that point one or two ports are probably shot, so I may as well just get a new computer and then dismantle the old one and put all the hard drives into one.
Dragon Ball Z. Gundam. 90% of anything that aired on Adult Swim or Toonami. I just don't see it. And don't get me started on harem anime. Even in hentai it bores the shit out of me.
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Steve Jobs ugh. Just because he promoted (not personally developed but promoted) gadgets that were "cool" he gets treated like some kind of Ghandi figure, despite being just another greedy corporate suite. This is especially annoying when you realize Bill Gates is still the butt of jokes about greedy tech gurus to this day, despite the fact that Gates actually did something to help people with his money. Specifically he's played a large part in bringing disease vaccinations to the 3rd world. Meanwhile Jobs was designing a "super yacht" so big they didn't even finish it before he died. While we're at it...
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Dragon Ball Z. 90% of anything that aired on Adult Swim or Toonami.
I dont think that, but My Little Pony is ultra overrated IMO, it even spread everywhere :P
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Speaking of overrated: phones, tablets, iPhones, iPads and all that stupid stuff... Facebook, Twitter and all social networks... and everything in that vein... you get the point.
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Neon Genesis Evangelion: Cyborg mechs with christian overtones. Umm, yay. :rollseyes: :P
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I dont think that, but My Little Pony is ultra overrated IMO, it even spread everywhere :P
The thing about My Little Pony isn't just that it's overrated, it's that its fanboys seem completely oblivious to how creepy and off-putting it seems to people that aren't into it.
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Howard Stern put it best that bronies are the nerds' nerds.
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Yep Lely, that's about the size of it. It's too bad when actual computer innovators pass away they don't get nearly as much credit or attention.
Howard Stern put it best that bronies are the nerds' nerds.
They're reverse-Goths. Like goths and some punkers they break away from the rigid constraints of the mainstream by conforming to the rigid constraints of another group. They just need pastel eyeliner and Pinkie Pie shirts that say "No one understands me or my unique perspective on life."
I've seen several episodes of the show and they were all good, but not to the point that I would go out of my way to watch them. Generally I have enough anthropomorphic kids shows from my own childhood I can be geeky nostalgic about. (Sonic the Hedgehog, Rescue Rangers, Gummi Bears, the list goes on...)
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Oh, man! This is like something done for me! :)
Let me start: Metal Gear Solid, Banjo Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Crash Bandicoot...
The Godfather, Batman: The Dark Knight, Pulp Fiction, Memento, Saving Private Ryan...
Basically you hate everything good. :p
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Yep Lely, that's about the size of it. It's too bad when actual computer innovators pass away they don't get nearly as much credit or attention.
I cant even imagine what will happen when Richard Stallman dies, since he did Linux (GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux, in the case that someone try to nitpick) and have become a sort of meme, because of the way that he says freedom this and freedom that. :P
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Basically you hate everything good. :p
I don't hate those things, I just don't think they are SO GREAT as almost everyone says they are.
But I love Castlevania, Megaman, Final Fantasy, Mario, Sonic, Tales, Bioshock, Star Wars...
They're reverse-Goths. Like goths and some punkers they break away from the rigid constraints of the mainstream by conforming to the rigid constraints of another group. They just need pastel eyeliner and Pinkie Pie shirts that say "No one understands me or my unique perspective on life."
I guess many of us here in this forum broke away from mainstream constraints while not falling into any other established group constraints, and that's what makes us unique and different from each other.
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The thing about My Little Pony isn't just that it's overrated, it's that its fanboys seem completely oblivious to how creepy and off-putting it seems to people that aren't into it.
Actually that's why a lot of them do it.
Then there's one of my college buddies. I made him sit through an episode of MLP:FIM. ... AND HE NAMED ALL THE CHARACTERS THAT WERE ALSO IN G1! I was like, "Whoa, dude... That's really sad." :-X
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Yeah, I think Bioshock is overrated. Story isn't anything special, morality mechanics are absolutely brain-dead, and the game ended about an hour after the narrative wrapped up. If it wasn't set in a neat-looking Art Deco Atlantis no one would give a damn about it. About the only thing I like is that it doesn't have quick time events. Totally not a worthy successor to System Shock.
Bioshock 2 was actually pretty good, though. Maybe because my expectations were so low after the first game.
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I kinda agree about Firefly. My friend told me to watch the series because it's "omg such amazing sci-fi" but after watching it for a while I was all "Okay, so it's a space adventure flick. About a bunch of renegades... in space. Really friggin' original".
Also agree with Pulp Fiction. I mean it was entertaining, and gained its fame for being a combination of unusual stories. But frankly, the stories SUCK. People remember the movie for its characters and individual memorable scenes, well throwing in a bunch of colorful characters in funny scenes does not make it a good movie.
Tarantino in general is horribly overrated IMHO. His films are entertaining, but not genius as people make them out to be. Pointless dialogs and ultra violence do not make a good movie.
Totally disagree with Memento and Requiem for a Dream. Yeah, I know, it's IMHO. But those two made my list for being unusually shocking and original. The Memento ending was more shocking that the Ending of Fight Club to me, and making a twist ending that isn't predictable or uninteresting is not easy.
Requiem for a Dream was genius. Aronofsky's camera angles, his frightening depiction of drug-infused delusions, and the brilliant dramatic soundtrack create a personal view of the horror of drug addiction like no other. I remember when I watched the movie with my friends, by the end we were just sitting there, unable to say anything but "wow, horrifying". Like a reviewer said about the movie- "Requiem for a Dream" not only makes you not want to ever use drugs; It kinda makes you not want to go on living.
A movie that has such an emotional impact on people is no less than brilliant.
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If I have to disagree with something it's with Bioshock. I believe all 3 games are a masterpiece.
They keep telling me that System Shock is better. I didn't play it. But I don't have a problem with it. It's like when some people argue that the first SMB was the best Mario, while other people say it's SMB 3, but I TOTALLY think that Super Mario World was better than all SMB NES games, for obvious reasons. And that SM64 must be better than SMW and Sunshine than SM64. And I'm completely sure the best Mario games ever are the Galaxy games, also for obvious reasons. I mean, Levine was responsible for System Shock, maybe it is a masterwork like they say, but when technology allowed him to do it better, he did it. It's the same for Nintendo, Mario games were getting better and better as technology was increasing.
Don't get me wrong: technology doesn't make excellent games by itself. You need the genius of Levine, of Nintendo, or whatever genius you want to put.
This applies, the way I see it, to 3D games, but not so much to 2D games. I can equally enjoy a good NES game and a good new 2D PC game with modern looks.
And about 3D (and this is very personal) I just find anything previous to Playstation 2 to look VERY OLD. I just can't play it, I can't stand that old 3D. It's like AVGN once said, kind of "it's like it was a limbo for 3D games, when graphics weren't still good".
It's just the way my tastes are. There are some obvious exceptions, like N64 CV games, or Zelda games...
But most of times, I can play and enjoy 100% a NES, SNES, Genesis game, but just not a PSX 3D game. Not to mention System Shock, which is from 1.994. I'd really like to play it, because it is from the same guy who made Bioshock, but I don't know if someday I'll be able to...
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Ken Levine actually wasn't responsible for System Shock; that was Warren Spector and Doug Church. Levine didn't come on until System Shock 2, which to be fair is a classic, but is still dumbed down from the original System Shock. I don't understand why having better technology means putting more restrictions on what the player can do. System Shock had an excellent storyline, but if you wanted to ignore that mess around with the game mechanics, you could. It wasn't a first person shooter like Bioshock, it was an adventure/RPG hybrid with some FPS trappings. It had a mode set in Cyberspace where you dealt with data abstractions. It had mini-games you could download into your PDA. Oh, and to top it all off, you weren't immortal in System Shock. Even in 2, where there are respawn stations, they cost a non-trivial amount of valuable nanites, and you have to activate them before you kick the bucket. What System Shock lacks in 2013's graphics, it makes up for in depth that rivals an Elder Scrolls game.
SS2 was more of a shooter but it still emphasized the RPG elements. Choosing a Psi-oriented character made for a very different early game than a Marine character.
Bioshock is a mediocre FPS with a magic gimmick and audio logs and a neat setting. That's all it is. Which more than anything is a reflection of the homogenous state of games today, that we'll latch onto anything that's different, even when the differences are really only skin-deep.
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With all respect. Please don't misunderstand the tone of my post, I'm not arguing or being disrespectful.
I just happen to care A LOT about look and music.
Maybe the gameplay is similar in many things to other games, but I found aesthetic, soundtrack, characters and stories of all 3 Bioshock games to be AWESOME!
Right now I'm playing Dishonored, which is so far a blatant copy of Bioshock, but with different story, characters, setting and soundtrack, and so far I'm really enjoying it, and I'm sure when I finish it I will love it.
I really don't care much about innovation, I've said it a lot of times on other threads.
If something isn't broken, don't fix it.
So Bioshock takes things from other games? That's fine with me, as long as it's fun and it achieves the standards I have for music, aesthetic look, characters and story.
In any case, it would be like Giana Sisters or RosenkreuzStilette. They are FULL copies or, respectively, SMB and Megaman (with CV look). But that's OK because they are super fun.
Let the technical aspect of gameplay and innovation for critics, I play to have a good time and enter another world! I play, like when I watch anime or movies, with passion, and subjectivity always overshadows objectivity.
I'm sure System Shock is a great game, because it' the only thing I've been told so far.
But I don't know if I will ever be able to play it because I have a natural reject for old 3D. I know it's a personal thing, but I just can't... I tried a couple times to play the original Resident Evil, or FF7, but I just can't.
With old 2D I don't have a problem.
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Dishonored is actually not a copy of Bioshock at all, it's more of a direct copy (down to much of the setting) of Thief: The Dark Project with BioShock's magic gimmick and heavily simplified stealth mechanics . Thief and System Shock 2 were both initially developed by Looking Glass studios and in fact share the same game engine. Dishonored's lead dev worked on Deus Ex, which shared personnel with both Thief and the original System Shock. So it's kind of natural there would be similarities. I actually found Dishonored pretty underwhelming after having high hopes for it. :/
Anyway, I think if it wasn't claimed that Bioshock was a spiritual successor to System Shock I'd be less irritated by it. They share a few small similarities but more differences. It's an OK game, I just don't feel it's worthy of the overwhelming praise that seems to be offered to any shooter with scripted set pieces and an ambient storyline. Come to think of it, Half-Life 2 is just as if not more overrated than Bioshock.
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If I have to disagree with something it's with Bioshock. I believe all 3 games are a masterpiece.
They keep telling me that System Shock is better. I didn't play it. But I don't have a problem with it. It's like when some people argue that the first SMB was the best Mario, while other people say it's SMB 3, but I TOTALLY think that Super Mario World was better than all SMB NES games, for obvious reasons. And that SM64 must be better than SMW and Sunshine than SM64. And I'm completely sure the best Mario games ever are the Galaxy games, also for obvious reasons. I mean, Levine was responsible for System Shock, maybe it is a masterwork like they say, but when technology allowed him to do it better, he did it. It's the same for Nintendo, Mario games were getting better and better as technology was increasing.
Don't get me wrong: technology doesn't make excellent games by itself. You need the genius of Levine, of Nintendo, or whatever genius you want to put.
This applies, the way I see it, to 3D games, but not so much to 2D games. I can equally enjoy a good NES game and a good new 2D PC game with modern looks.
And about 3D (and this is very personal) I just find anything previous to Playstation 2 to look VERY OLD. I just can't play it, I can't stand that old 3D. It's like AVGN once said, kind of "it's like it was a limbo for 3D games, when graphics weren't still good".
It's just the way my tastes are. There are some obvious exceptions, like N64 CV games, or Zelda games...
But most of times, I can play and enjoy 100% a NES, SNES, Genesis game, but just not a PSX 3D game. Not to mention System Shock, which is from 1.994. I'd really like to play it, because it is from the same guy who made Bioshock, but I don't know if someday I'll be able to...
If watching old episodes of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and forcing myself to finish Final Fantasy 7 has shown me anything, it's that rose-tinted glasses are very, very powerful. When it comes to old media most people who talk to you about it are also unconsciously talking about who where and what they were when they experienced it. This is why so many grown men and women idolize Boba Fett despite the fact he was a glorified extra in the original Star Wars- the sheer coolness of his space armor awed them when they were 7 or 8.
Having "been there" when something came out gives you a unique understanding of it and, let's face it, a unique tolerance for its flaws. (Like muddy PS1 graphics or to some extent awkward early-3D controls.) And you can only experience something for the first time once, which I suspect is why so many people still cling to the idea that Final Fantasy 7 is the best RPG greatest achievement in human history. And why Ocarina of Time is the best 3D Zelda etc.
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Sometimes the "you're wearing nostalgia glasses" argument makes sense; other times I enjoy watching Nosferatu and realizing my favorite Metallica albums were all released before I was born.
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I believe Bronies have something to do with the "troll culture" that spawned from 4chan. Half of the bronies are megatrolls who find a colorful cartoon that in some way reminds me of Pokemon a tool to annoy people through spreading its colorful inside-jokes and making parodies of it.
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Sometimes the "you're wearing nostalgia glasses" argument makes sense; other times I enjoy watching Nosferatu and realizing my favorite Metallica albums were all released before I was born.
Of course, I was not implying that older artwork is inherently inferior to newer works. Many of my favorite movies and books are older than my parents. And I certainly think there are lots of artistic achievements on the PS1 and N64 that should be preserved for history, the N64 Castlevanias among them. But it's been my experience that the frame of mind one is in when they first see something (especially at a young or impressionable age) often sticks with them to the point that it can be difficult if not impossible to view the item with fresh critical eyes later.
Also many kids today literally can't quite grasp a world without analog sticks and high res graphics, just like we'll never, on some level, really understand what life was like in the years before we were born. So we all lack a certain appreciation for the conditions of times we have not experienced, giving us a different, more detached perspective on the art produced therein. Taken away from the smoke and mirrors of nostalgia some of it stands the test of time, most of it doesn't.
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If watching old episodes of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and forcing myself to finish Final Fantasy 7 has shown me anything, it's that rose-tinted glasses are very, very powerful.
Nostalgia for me is a little different. Anything I enjoyed as a kid that I can also enjoy now, the old time fondness for it makes it that much better.
But if it's straight-up sheet, no level of nostalgia and fuzzy warm memories can make me enjoy it now.
The Turtles are a fine example. Movie 1: best thing ever because it's still an incredible movie, and my more recent fondness of the original comics and the first movie's adherence to them makes it all the better, and my old feelings for it wrap it up into a really splendid package of both heavy nostalgia AND something that's still indubitably awesome.
Original TV show: Well-animated and funny first season (all of five episodes), terrible everything else. Own all the DVDs, but each episode is a chore to get through and it'll take me decades to watch it all, if I ever can muster the strength. My fondness for the show relating to how I felt about it as a kid still makes me pretty fond of it, but only in my memories (and for ushering in the whole Turtle craze with the awesome video games and that).
Movie 3: big steaming turd, hate it, yet I love it at the same time simply because I remember very well my excitement when I got home from seeing it in the theater. But that doesn't make it a good movie or something I ever want to see again.
I notice a lot of people tend to enjoy something in a nostalgic manner that almost betrays their current sensibilities. They won't admit that something could be really dag-blasted terrible, because the memories and fondness are so strong. It's the only reason people buy stuff like Captain N on DVD, as far as I'm concerned. :P
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I tried a couple times to play the original Resident Evil
If you can't play the original RE then look to the Wii's relaunch called Resident Evil: Archives. It's the original game but with much better graphics and voice acting.
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If you can't play the original RE then look to the Wii's relaunch called Resident Evil: Archives. It's the original game but with much better graphics and voice acting.
For me the bad voice acting is part of the charm of the original. However the REmake is a good game in its own right. It's usually the controls that scare people off, in any case. And I personally find RE2 and Code Veronica to be the pinnacle of Resident Evil.
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Nostalgia for me is a little different. Anything I enjoyed as a kid that I can also enjoy now, the old time fondness for it makes it that much better.
But if it's straight-up sheet, no level of nostalgia and fuzzy warm memories can make me enjoy it now.
The Turtles are a fine example. Movie 1: best thing ever because it's still an incredible movie, and my more recent fondness of the original comics and the first movie's adherence to them makes it all the better, and my old feelings for it wrap it up into a really splendid package of both heavy nostalgia AND something that's still indubitably awesome.
Original TV show: Well-animated and funny first season (all of five episodes), terrible everything else. Own all the DVDs, but each episode is a chore to get through and it'll take me decades to watch it all, if I ever can muster the strength. My fondness for the show relating to how I felt about it as a kid still makes me pretty fond of it, but only in my memories (and for ushering in the whole Turtle craze with the awesome video games and that).
Movie 3: big steaming turd, hate it, yet I love it at the same time simply because I remember very well my excitement when I got home from seeing it in the theater. But that doesn't make it a good movie or something I ever want to see again.
I notice a lot of people tend to enjoy something in a nostalgic manner that almost betrays their current sensibilities. They won't admit that something could be really dag-blasted terrible, because the memories and fondness are so strong. It's the only reason people buy stuff like Captain N on DVD, as far as I'm concerned. :P
I bought Captain N on dvd...lol
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Metal Gear Solid
PS1 game or the whole series? The game wasn't nearly as good as some of the later installments (3 and 4 in particular are somber and can be outright depressing at times, and for good reasons), and it DOES get a lot more hype than I think it should (bcuz nostalgia), but the series is pretty damn amazing.
I always thought Guitar Hero and all its spinoffs were and are overrated (though I still enjoy GH from time to time), and I think the top of my overrated list would be the ridiculous levels of "patriotism" in this country. That shit gets way more glorified attention than it possibly deserves.
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PS1 game or the whole series? The game wasn't nearly as good as some of the later installments (3 and 4 in particular are somber and can be outright depressing at times, and for good reasons), and it DOES get a lot more hype than I think it should (bcuz nostalgia), but the series is pretty damn amazing.
I want remakes for Metal Gear 1 and 2 (not Solid) since I played them on PS2. They were pretty innovative for their time.
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I don't like Metal Gear Solid, except for the 3rd which had some good gameplay systems. The Tom Clancy+LSD story doesn't do anything for me. I'm amused when Hideo Kojima trolls his overly-serious fanbase, though.
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What if you download an entire series or some movies that you never watched when you were a kid and wanted to watch out of curiosity, and then liked them when you watched them as an adult? Do you like them as an adult then because they actually were good then and still are now, or do you like them as an adult because nostalgia doesn't tie-in with the artifacts themselves but with the eras they were associated with? I like "Gargoyles" when I watched it for the first time a year or two ago. Was that because Gargoyles is such a good show or because I equate that time period with good shows in general? I enjoyed Blade Runner this year. Again, good movie or relic from a good period? Fright Night -- The first time I watched it, I was too scared to watch more than a few minutes of it (I was young), but I put my fears behind me and watched it all the way last year or whenever I talked about it on here. Was it a good movie or was I just tripping back to childhood?
Or maybe I'm just one of those guys that doesn't actually let nostalgia ruin his credibility too much. When I cleaned out some of my VHS tapes with copied anime that I used to like or thought I liked way back in the day (all of 10 years ago), I ended up tossing about 1/3 into the garbage. I'm a hell of a nostalgia freak -- I keep some crappy anime around just because of the feels I get when I watch them, even though I don't particularly like them. I have CDs I kinda want to throw way or give to the used records store because I liked them as a kid but can't stand them now. I hold onto a lot of books for nostalgia reasons. I have a lot of stuffed animals in my old room of my parents' house and a select few I have in my apartment for nostalgic reasons.
I think a lot of things are overrated and agree most of it's just out of nostalgic hype. Then again, some things I liked in the past I still love even today. Tiny Toon Adventures. Animaniacs. Batman: The Animated Series. Duck Tales. I watched Duck Tales with my little brother one night and still enjoyed it. I think I was into it more than him. He would rewind (to study the English) or skip forward while watching it and I'd be thinking the whole time, "Dude what the fuck? Quit messing up the good parts!" And of course there's Ghostbusters. Saw it when I was 5 or 6. Nostalgia? Hell no, that was and still is an awesome movie! Beetlejuice? I still pop a boner for Winona Ryder and that movie still makes me laugh. They make me feel all nostalgic but they're stilll good movies. Chip'n'Dale's Rescue Rangers? ... No. Can't stand it anymore. No amount of nostalgia makes me enjoy it like I used to. Smurfs? Same, no amount of nostalgia lets me enjoy it anywhere near as much as I used to. I must just be level-headed or something.
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Nostalgia can be a fickle mistress. I have trouble watching some cartoons that I loved as a kid (the aforementioned Ninja Turtles among them), while others I've developed a newfound respect for (The Real Ghostbusters, which I never watched much as a kid, is one I've really enjoyed catching up on on DVD). Sometimes when I don't enjoy something I loved as a kid, it just makes me feel old.
Something being overrated is definitely an entirely subjective question. I like to think of it illustrated with this quote from Hot Shots Part Deux (with a side helping of pun):
"What are you reading?"
"Great Expectations."
"Any good?"
"It's not all I'd hoped."
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Doctor Who
I don't care for this show, and the Fan-base reeks of pretentious twats, at least Star Trek Next gen fans Bothered to watch the original series...
GTA V
$250 Budget, Add Gimmicks, Graphics look like shit, Story is really all that they are selling with this title, All the New game Bomb Red-Flags have been raised for me..
Avatar Last Airbender / Legend of Korra
Fanbase is worse than Zelda
Call of Duty / Battlefield (current Gen and up)
Worst FPS games of all time, not only do they rob retards every year with gimmicks and expiring DLC, but they ruined the fast paced arena FPS that was perfected in Quake 3
Zelda Games
20 years of essentially the same games and the fans are autism itself, its an okay series but less creative than mario
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Dishonored is actually not a copy of Bioshock at all, it's more of a direct copy (down to much of the setting) of Thief: The Dark Project with BioShock's magic gimmick and heavily simplified stealth mechanics . Thief and System Shock 2 were both initially developed by Looking Glass studios and in fact share the same game engine. Dishonored's lead dev worked on Deus Ex, which shared personnel with both Thief and the original System Shock. So it's kind of natural there would be similarities. I actually found Dishonored pretty underwhelming after having high hopes for it. :/
Anyway, I think if it wasn't claimed that Bioshock was a spiritual successor to System Shock I'd be less irritated by it. They share a few small similarities but more differences. It's an OK game, I just don't feel it's worthy of the overwhelming praise that seems to be offered to any shooter with scripted set pieces and an ambient storyline. Come to think of it, Half-Life 2 is just as if not more overrated than Bioshock.
Bioshock was my 3rd FPS, after CoD MW 2 and 3. So I'm really a newbie in this genre. And I don't know much about people from this kind of games. I wasn't even aware of the existence of System Shock until I had already played the first Bioshock, when someone mentioned it in a review.
I can't argue with that, you seem to know pretty much about the genre.
I just loved, completely fell in love with all 3 games. That's all I can say. I just tried to state that, from my personal point of view, I don't give much importance to the fact that they take gameplay or ideas from somewhere else.
Just as I never understood why people (and critics) criticized Lords of Shadow because it took many stuff from GoW, SotC, PoP... the same people that liked the original ideas. I didn't like LoS because I PERSONALLY didn't feel it as CV. But if I find a game that implements something I like, I will still like it.
If watching old episodes of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and forcing myself to finish Final Fantasy 7 has shown me anything, it's that rose-tinted glasses are very, very powerful. When it comes to old media most people who talk to you about it are also unconsciously talking about who where and what they were when they experienced it. This is why so many grown men and women idolize Boba Fett despite the fact he was a glorified extra in the original Star Wars- the sheer coolness of his space armor awed them when they were 7 or 8.
Having "been there" when something came out gives you a unique understanding of it and, let's face it, a unique tolerance for its flaws. (Like muddy PS1 graphics or to some extent awkward early-3D controls.) And you can only experience something for the first time once, which I suspect is why so many people still cling to the idea that Final Fantasy 7 is the best RPG greatest achievement in human history. And why Ocarina of Time is the best 3D Zelda etc.
When Twilight Princess is, in my opinion, the best Zelda game by far (from what I know), and there are plenty of characters better than Boba Fett in every SW movie, and FF1/2/3/4/5/6, especially 6, are infinitely better than 7 in every aspect.
Sometimes the "you're wearing nostalgia glasses" argument makes sense; other times I enjoy watching Nosferatu and realizing my favorite Metallica albums were all released before I was born.
Yeah, my favourite band is Queen from the 70's, even my mom was a little kid back then.
If you can't play the original RE then look to the Wii's relaunch called Resident Evil: Archives. It's the original game but with much better graphics and voice acting.
RE is one of the franchises I'd like to get into. I've only played RE4 Wii Edition so far, and I loved it.
I tried to play RE5 in PS3 and I didn't like it.
I'll check that Wii versions, playing Wii in HD with an emulator is wonderful :)
PS1 game or the whole series? The game wasn't nearly as good as some of the later installments (3 and 4 in particular are somber and can be outright depressing at times, and for good reasons), and it DOES get a lot more hype than I think it should (bcuz nostalgia), but the series is pretty damn amazing.
No, just the first PSX game. I really liked both MSX games (I emulated them to begin the saga). Then, with emulation flaws and technical inconveniences for the use of a PS3 joystick in a Game Cube emulated game, and the fact that I suck at stealth games, I ended up abandoning MGS 1 for GCN when I was about 60% of the game.
I have to end it some day, so I can play PS3 versions of MGS 2 and 3, and MGS 4, which is was caught my interest in the first place. Oh, and Revengeance, if it has something to do with the saga anyway.
Tiny Toon
Oh, Tiny Toon! I liked it, but what I'm really a fan of, is the first NES game (not the 2nd) and both SNES and Genesis games. And those are, mainly, games that I played when they were already old. But I love them. Not the first NES game, that one was bought for us by my mom when I was about 6 years old and I kind of grew up playing it from time to time.
That isn't a case of nostalgia blinding my reason. But there's some other times when I just love a bad game, like Miracle Ropits Adventure in 2100 or Frankenstein the Monster Returns... or Home Alone, I have apreciation for it because it was the first game that came with my SNES.
Something being overrated is definitely an entirely subjective question. I like to think of it illustrated with this quote from Hot Shots Part Deux (with a side helping of pun):
"What are you reading?"
"Great Expectations."
"Any good?"
"It's not all I'd hoped."
Nice quote. And great movie!
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Tight Vaginas. There are always butts. :o
Big Penises. Use a Dildo, in conjunction! :o
Anyway, pretty much anything people tend to defend like crazy. Zelda. The games are damn good, but people think it's like the most godly creation ever. Even the bad ones get praised like it's the best game ever, only losing to another Zelda game.
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Doctor Who
I don't care for this show, and the Fan-base reeks of pretentious twats, at least Star Trek Next gen fans Bothered to watch the original series...
For the show to each their own.
I will not lie or try to hide it I'm a Doctor Who fan. However, I agree a lot of the fandom is annoying as I'll get out. I have seen every episode of the show(1963-present. I even have sat through the audio only with picture episodes(some of first doctor and most of second) And I enjoy the audio adventures). Personally I like the original series more than the new stuff. Anywho nothing bugs me more when a Doctor Who "fan" claims they love the show but only watched new Doctor Who. My point is you're probably dealing with the Doctor Who fans that have only seen new Doctor Who and for that I'm sorry. I swear we're not all like that.
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For the show to each their own.
I will not lie or try to hide it I'm a Doctor Who fan. However, I agree a lot of the fandom is annoying as I'll get out. I have seen every episode of the show(1963-present. I even have sat through the audio only with picture episodes(some of first doctor and most of second) And I enjoy the audio adventures). Personally I like the original series more than the new stuff. Anywho nothing bugs me more when a Doctor Who "fan" claims they love the show but only watched new Doctor Who. My point is you're probably dealing with the Doctor Who fans that have only seen new Doctor Who and for that I'm sorry. I swear we're not all like that.
True, but those are the fans that are like Vegans, THEY'LL let you know they are a fan... and their favorite doctor (10 or 11)