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Title: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Dremn on September 13, 2013, 12:22:22 AM
It's often talked about by a lot of fans, and many people are quite fond of the game. However, it's definitely shown it's age. I think for the time being if Konami can't find a new team to make the next Vania on 3DS, they should remake CotM.

You can delete this thread if it's too general/vague, I just thought it would be really neat to see it happen.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 13, 2013, 12:25:08 AM
It's often talked about by a lot of fans, and many people are quite fond of the game. However, it's definitely shown it's age. I think for the time being if Konami can't find a new team to make the next Vania on 3DS, they should remake CotM.

You can delete this thread if it's too general/vague, I just thought it would be really neat to see it happen.
What about a... you know... original game?
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Dremn on September 13, 2013, 12:59:51 AM
What about a... you know... original game?
Well, that's why I pitched this as a what if scenario if Konami can't assemble a new team or rehire IGA after LoS2.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 13, 2013, 01:04:35 AM
Since we're talking about a CV done by the same group, they should remake Legends :P
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Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on September 13, 2013, 01:59:37 AM
One thing I liked about Circle of the moon over the other gba titles was the darker ambience the game had.

While I still hold Aria of Sorrow in higher regard I still am very much fond of Circle of the Moon and would love to see a remake of it.

But not before getting a remake of Castlevania 3.

Or better yet, bring on the 1999 game. :)
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Post by: KaZudra on September 13, 2013, 02:08:50 AM
How about a more Direct Sequel to CoTM or ever OoE, The Non-Belmont Era could use some elaboration
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Post by: Munchy on September 13, 2013, 03:23:19 AM
I could get behind it. Expand the DSS system, up the enemy and locale variety by a lot, throw in some more original music, and for God's sake have one default reasonably fast running speed because double-tapping all the time was awful. (I do dig the original but these would have been welcome changes.)

An original game would be preferred though. I'm quite fond of the punishing Metroidvania flavor of CotM and OoE, so any games in that vein would be godlike.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Pfil on September 13, 2013, 03:48:53 AM
I won't oppose a remake, but they are like a little bonus to me.
Konami would have to be REALLY STUPID if they can't come up with some idea for a new game.
However, considering Konami IS INDEED VERY, VERY STUPID, anything can happen after LoS.
Even not getting more CV games.

I'm not being negative, but until I see a game I won't have faith in anything (an actual game; not announced, but released; they already got me with once that trick, stupid Konami).
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Beaumont_Belmont on September 13, 2013, 05:00:25 AM
How about 1897 (covering the events of Dracula in a highly altered style) for the portable and 1999 as the greatest (sidescrolling) game ever on next-gen consoles?
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on September 13, 2013, 06:09:14 AM
Do not make a remake yet. GBA games can still be played by the older DSes.

I prefer an original game: the 1999 game to be exact.

If they really would want to make a remake, get the older games.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 13, 2013, 06:47:12 AM
I'd buy any remake anyday, but rather than remaking CotM, I think they should remake a game that's aged much worse than that. And that would be CV64/Legacy of Darkness. Imagine it with glorious next-gen HD graphics... It would be a really bold move by Konami, and they would probably change the game way too much to make it more modern, but it would be very interesting nonetheless.

Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Koutei on September 13, 2013, 07:56:41 AM
I don't want the OLD-CV remake. I want port.

Since we're talking about a CV done by the same group, they should remake Legends :P
Legends made by KCEN.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Nagoya (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Nagoya)

COTM made by KCEK.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Kobe (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Kobe)
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: KaZudra on September 13, 2013, 01:15:04 PM
The 1999 Game has one big Problem, a genre crisis.
The Franchise suggests a 2d-3d Metroidvania...
The War suggests a MOBA-like game similar to Guilty Gear 2 Overture...

in all I would find it cool if they combined the two genres in a creative way
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Post by: Intersection on September 13, 2013, 02:06:24 PM
Oh yes; without a doubt. An HD remake of CoTM would be... incredible. I'd been dreaming about it for years.

Though I'll recognize that remaking Circle wouldn't actually be a very good idea. I certainly hope Konami can come up with an original game. And yes, if Konami had to remake a title, it should go for the N64 games.

But I'm not giving up my idea. I will see Circle of the Moon in HD... Someday.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Nagumo on September 13, 2013, 03:51:35 PM
Although I would prefer a prequel, revisiting CotM's aesthetics is definitely a concept I can stand behind.
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Post by: Dominus on September 13, 2013, 04:49:36 PM
I'd like it just to have a 3D Carmilla :p
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Pfil on September 13, 2013, 06:29:14 PM
I'd like it just to have a 3D Carmilla :p
That's one good point!
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Lelygax on September 14, 2013, 02:59:08 PM
I don't want the OLD-CV remake. I want port.
Legends made by KCEN.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Nagoya (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Nagoya)

COTM made by KCEK.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Kobe (http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Computer_Entertainment_Kobe)

Oh yeah, my mistake... But I know that they worked in another CV game too, was it the Saturn port?

The 1999 Game has one big Problem, a genre crisis.
The Franchise suggests a 2d-3d Metroidvania...
The War suggests a MOBA-like game similar to Guilty Gear 2 Overture...

in all I would find it cool if they combined the two genres in a creative way

You know that mentioning its a war doesnt implies it will be a MOBA or you play with all characters involved right? Look at Portrait of Ruin, they had a perfect setting for a war related game but they toally wasted it.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Koutei on September 15, 2013, 12:58:40 AM
Oh yeah, my mistake... But I know that they worked in another CV game too, was it the Saturn port?
In wiki that I linked, there is an explanation concerning it.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: olrox2 on September 15, 2013, 05:38:54 AM
Lots of people find Circle of the Mon to be the hardest Castlevania on gba(maybe on GBA/3DS even)

I am the first to like the game but konamy may see it as not modern enough, how to explain this...
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Intersection on September 15, 2013, 01:35:16 PM
All right. If this thread is coming back up, let's keep it there. I'm ready to fantasize for weeks on what CoTM-HD or CoTM2 would look like...

If this game is going to be remade, here's what we should have:
- An identical soundtrack, but recorded with a true orchestra. CoTM is one of those few Castlevania that works well with that type of musical setting. Additional pieces should be composed to make each track area-specific.
- High-def 2.5D visuals. I could go on forever about how extraordinary that would be (Drac's 2nd form, for instance), but here are a few must's: Each area that's to be redone MUST look similar to the original area -- there needs to be a clear parallel. Much of the room construction and layouts MUST be kept.
- The castle should look similar to what it looked in CoTM. New areas can be added; but they mustn't interfere with the overall sense of progression.
- The DSS system MUST be kept. New abilities should be added (and maybe some replaced), but of course the system is large enough as it is.
- New enemies should appear.
- New animations for characters, enemies, abilities, etc, of course.
- A playable Hugh mode (it had been teased, but we didn't get it) MUST be included.

Now, if they try to make a sequel, that's a different story altogether. One idea is to have a prequel, where Baldwin defeats Dracula...
In that case, I'll expect it to be similar to CoTM, but will leave Konami poetic license...
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Lashen on September 15, 2013, 03:27:59 PM
All right. If this thread is coming back up, let's keep it there. I'm ready to fantasize for weeks on what CoTM-HD or CoTM2 would look like...

If this game is going to be remade, here's what we should have:
- An identical soundtrack, but recorded with a true orchestra. CoTM is one of those few Castlevania that works well with that type of musical setting. Additional pieces should be composed to make each track area-specific.
- High-def 2.5D visuals. I could go on forever about how extraordinary that would be (Drac's 2nd form, for instance), but here are a few must's: Each area that's to be redone MUST look similar to the original area -- there needs to be a clear parallel. Much of the room construction and layouts MUST be kept.
- The castle should look similar to what it looked in CoTM. New areas can be added; but they mustn't interfere with the overall sense of progression.
- The DSS system MUST be kept. New abilities should be added (and maybe some replaced), but of course the system is large enough as it is.
- New enemies should appear.
- New animations for characters, enemies, abilities, etc, of course.
- A playable Hugh mode (it had been teased, but we didn't get it) MUST be included.

Now, if they try to make a sequel, that's a different story altogether. One idea is to have a prequel, where Baldwin defeats Dracula...
In that case, I'll expect it to be similar to CoTM, but will leave Konami poetic license...

^ Pretty much my bible concerning all remakes.

I know it's a completely different genre, but on the subject of remakes those 20th anniversary editions of Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy II for the PSP were brilliant examples of what I long for as a whole when a remake of any older game is announced.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: uzo on September 15, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
Are the GBA games available on the 3DS eshop yet? They really really should be if they aren't yet. All CotM needs is an always run option added in the game. Shouldn't be too hard to add. Then just release as a GBAclassic title along with HoD and AoS.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Dremn on September 15, 2013, 09:53:59 PM
Are the GBA games available on the 3DS eshop yet? They really really should be if they aren't yet. All CotM needs is an always run option added in the game. Shouldn't be too hard to add. Then just release as a GBAclassic title along with HoD and AoS.
Nintendo does such a terrible job with keeping the Virtual Console updated at a reasonable pace, for some games it took ages for them to make it over here outside Japan. The wait for all the Wario Lands took like two years I believe.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Reinhart77 on September 16, 2013, 12:55:46 AM
In my mind I'm imagining a CotM inspired game with high def cartoon-like graphics, but with relatively few animations for each enemy to cut down on the amount of drawing that it would require.  Keeping it simple and focusing more on the gameplay and design.  And yeah, I want a Morris Baldwin game, hopefully one that will relate what's going on with canon timeline events or makes it clear what the differences between this timeline is and the original.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 16, 2013, 02:26:22 AM
Are the GBA games available on the 3DS eshop yet? They really really should be if they aren't yet. All CotM needs is an always run option added in the game. Shouldn't be too hard to add. Then just release as a GBAclassic title along with HoD and AoS.

They're putting GBA games on the Wii U instead. I'm guessing we're never gonna see them on the 3DS, at all. The 3DS Virtual Console is a joke apart from a few semi-rare Game Gear games (that look like utter shit but are pretty interesting since I never owned a Game Gear). Oh, and the Zelda Oracle games were kinda worth it too.

I could've lived without the NES games on the 3DS, to be honest, and instead had just GB, GG and GBA. And then maybe some Neo Geo Pocket stuff. Or Atari Lynx. Dunno. Unexpected stuff would be nice, not just the same, tired old NES Donkey Kong, Mega Man and Mario Bros over and over and over...
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Post by: uzo on September 16, 2013, 04:12:37 AM
Nintendo does such a terrible job with keeping the Virtual Console updated at a reasonable pace, for some games it took ages for them to make it over here outside Japan. The wait for all the Wario Lands took like two years I believe.

Konami is the one who calls the shots for their games. Nintendo doesn't really have anything to do with it.

They're putting GBA games on the Wii U instead. I'm guessing we're never gonna see them on the 3DS, at all. The 3DS Virtual Console is a joke apart from a few semi-rare Game Gear games (that look like utter shit but are pretty interesting since I never owned a Game Gear). Oh, and the Zelda Oracle games were kinda worth it too.

Really? GBA on the big screen? I can get behind that. Too bad they probably wont allow you to switch your AB to BY though. That's a 100% deal breaker for me, and why I haven't gotten nearly as many Virtual Console titles as I'd have liked.
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Post by: son_the_vampire on September 16, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
I'm totally for a remake idea. And if it were done to this game in particular, I'd be running to buy a 3DS immediately lol
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 16, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Yeah it's up to Konami, not Nintendo.
And Konami treats the retro CV titles like Capcom treats MegaMan.

Well, at least there are 'some' CV's coming out, even if they're not particularly of a type of which I'm too interested.
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Post by: shelverton. on September 16, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
Really? GBA on the big screen? I can get behind that. Too bad they probably wont allow you to switch your AB to BY though. That's a 100% deal breaker for me, and why I haven't gotten nearly as many Virtual Console titles as I'd have liked.

I don't know if you're only getting the GBA games on the controller screen, or on the telly, or both. I don't know how the WiiU VC works so far in this regard?

I feel like picking up a WiiU soon. I was always genuinely unimpressed by it but when it comes to Nintendo, it was always about the games. And now they're sloooowly starting to build a library, as expected. Wind Waker, Mario 3D World and that Xenoblade sequel will do it for me. Announce a Kirby, a Metroid, a new Zelda, Fire Emblem and throw in a couple of GBA games, and suddenly the WiiU feels more relevant to me than any PS4 or XBOne in da world. Dunno.
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Post by: Intersection on September 16, 2013, 05:50:57 PM
I don't know if you're only getting the GBA games on the controller screen, or on the telly, or both. I don't know how the WiiU VC works so far in this regard?
GBA: 240x160 resolution, 3.3 x 3.23 in. You simply cannot translate that onto a TV screen. But I guess it would work on the GamePad, though it is still twice as large (5.3 x 10.2 in)... Hope they'll give it a little pixel boost instead of keeping the native size or, worse, magnifying the games.

I feel like picking up a WiiU soon. I was always genuinely unimpressed by it but when it comes to Nintendo, it was always about the games. And now they're sloooowly starting to build a library, as expected. Wind Waker, Mario 3D World and that Xenoblade sequel will do it for me. Announce a Kirby, a Metroid, a new Zelda, Fire Emblem and throw in a couple of GBA games, and suddenly the WiiU feels more relevant to me than any PS4 or XBOne in da world. Dunno.
Don't worry about games. Nintendo has them aplenty. It's just having trouble cramming them all into a single console...
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Post by: Pfil on September 16, 2013, 06:37:24 PM
Yeah it's up to Konami, not Nintendo.
And Konami treats the retro CV titles like Capcom treats MegaMan.

Well, at least there are 'some' CV's coming out, even if they're not particularly of a type of which I'm too interested.
Exactly, Konami doesn't care about CV. The current state of CV, to me, is the same as MM.

I will decide if I buy a WiiU or a PS4 when the next CV is announced. It depends on what consoles they are going to release it, and it depends more on how the game is. If it follows the LoS formula in music and looks, I will quit. I will still love older CV games and play them, but I will stop caring about future releases.
Konami and Castlevania will be dead to me.

Don't worry about games. Nintendo has them aplenty. It's just having trouble cramming them all into a single console...
Nintendo will always have the games, and they will never disappoint fans. I wish Nintendo would buy Castlevania, that way the franchise would receive the treatment it deserves.
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Post by: Maedhros on September 16, 2013, 07:52:20 PM
I don't know if you're only getting the GBA games on the controller screen, or on the telly, or both. I don't know how the WiiU VC works so far in this regard?

I feel like picking up a WiiU soon. I was always genuinely unimpressed by it but when it comes to Nintendo, it was always about the games. And now they're sloooowly starting to build a library, as expected. Wind Waker, Mario 3D World and that Xenoblade sequel will do it for me. Announce a Kirby, a Metroid, a new Zelda, Fire Emblem and throw in a couple of GBA games, and suddenly the WiiU feels more relevant to me than any PS4 or XBOne in da world. Dunno.
Wii U is selling less than 10 thousand copies in US each month... flop don't even start to describe the Wii U.

Wii U is the last videogame a publisher will think to launch a game (unless Nintendo gives them money). That's the sad truth.

Personally, after the N64, Nintendo consoles were completely irrelevant to me. I'll always stay with them on the handhelds though.
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Post by: Pfil on September 16, 2013, 08:26:25 PM
Maybe N64 nd GCN had just a few good titles on them, but the Wii catalog is very impressive (when it comes to having good games).
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Post by: Maedhros on September 16, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
Maybe N64 nd GCN had just a few good titles on them, but the Wii catalog is very impressive (when it comes to having good games).
Not really.

The few ones I liked I played on the PC with Dolphin and a Wiimote. I'm not into Nintendo games.
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Post by: Ahasverus on September 16, 2013, 09:07:23 PM
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Post by: Pfil on September 16, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
The ones I like are these (maybe I forget a few); I prefer some of them, but I think they are all very good, personally speaking:

Okami, Metroid: Other M, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, New SMB, Dragon Quest Swords, Chocobo's Dungeon, Mario Kart, Metroid Prime 3, The Last Story, Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandora's Tower...
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Post by: Lelygax on September 17, 2013, 01:22:37 AM
... Sengoku Basara 3, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Monster Hunter 3, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Castlevania Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Conduit 2, Goldeneye 007, Bleach: Versus Crusade, Cave Story, Adventure Island (I dont remember the exact name of this version), Bomberman (same here), Megaman 9, Megaman 10, Phoenix Wright 1 2 and 3, Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil 1 (remake), Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles, Mario Sports Mix (with Final Fantasy characters, yay!)...
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 04:24:07 AM
Arc Rise Fantasia, Fragile, Fatal Frame 4...
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Post by: shelverton. on September 17, 2013, 04:34:25 AM
Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby's Adventure, Super Paper Mario, Opoona, Muramasa...
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 05:04:31 AM
Epic Mickey 1 and 2, FF Crystal Chronicles CB and EoT, The Legend of Spyro, Bakugan Battle Brawlers, A Boy and his Blob, Bleach (both games), Soul Calibur Legends, Defend Your Castle, Agatha Christie (both games), Alice in Wonderland, Sentai Clean Keeper, Castle of Shikigami III, Balloon Pop, Trauma Center, Big Brain Academy, Deadly Creatures, Scooby Doo, Dragon's Lair, My Life as a King, My Life as a Dark Lord, Little King's Story, Mario Party 8, No More Heroes...
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 05:10:25 AM
Tales of Symphonia 2, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic 4 Episodes 1 and 2, Onechanbara, Nights: Journey of Dreams, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Trauma Center 2, Yu-Gi-Oh, Wario Land: Shake It!, Resident Evil 4 / Zero / Archives / Darkside / Umbrella, Sakura Wars, Sin and Punishment...

Phewww...  :P
Help me guys, there must be more...
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Post by: uzo on September 17, 2013, 01:53:49 PM
GBA: 240x160 resolution, 3.3 x 3.23 in. You simply cannot translate that onto a TV screen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Player)
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 17, 2013, 05:32:46 PM
I LOVED the Gameboy Player (I still have one  in my Gamecube).
With the trippy Space Background. :D
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Post by: Pfil on September 17, 2013, 05:52:30 PM
What about that device that came out like in 1.999 and was mentioned in Nintendo Power?
That one that allowed you to play Game Boy cartridges in your SNES. I don't remember the name.
That device made Game Boy games look fine in TV's, and from my own experience, GB and GBA games can look very good in a TV. If they apply some filter and just release them as they are, they would look good. 3D is what looks ugly when it pixelates, 2D usually looks always good if they are sprites.
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Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 17, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
That's a Super Gameboy (and Super Gameboy 2).
I still have one, it's great.

However, the GBA resolution is different than the Gameboy/Color/Pocket's.
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Post by: Lelygax on September 17, 2013, 11:55:21 PM
I play GBA games in a widescreen TV and doesnt see anything wrong with the aspect ratio.
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Post by: Pfil on September 18, 2013, 03:26:41 AM
I played (using an emulator and connecting the PC to the TV) several GBA games in a 84'' 3D TV and they look perfect...

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Lelygax on September 18, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
Haha, I needed to read it 2 times to spot what part of this statement was strange.
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Post by: uzo on September 18, 2013, 06:34:45 PM
Right. The GBA is close enough to wide screen that you can stretch most titles out to full screen on an HD TV without little issue. The distortion is usually never noticeable.

In fact, it sometimes looks 'more correct'  since the old NES and SNES console had just about the same amount of horizontal stretch from their native resolution to fit the 4:3 aspect ratio.

Now apply an NTSC filter and you're all set. :P
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Post by: Pfil on September 19, 2013, 12:39:07 PM
Exactly. I'd totally buy a GBA + NDS retail collection made for playing in a TV.
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Post by: Oniros on October 13, 2013, 11:08:55 PM
Agreed. Remaking the GBA games and putting them on the 3DS eShop would be a dream come true.
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Post by: knightmere on October 14, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
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Lots of people find Circle of the Mon to be the hardest Castlevania on gba(maybe on GBA/3DS even)

I am the first to like the game but konamy may see it as not modern enough, how to explain this...

I'd say that OoE is clearly the most difficult CV on GBA/DS/3DS.
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Post by: Intersection on October 14, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
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I'd say that OoE is clearly the most difficult CV on GBA/DS/3DS.
Depends on how you look at it. The games had very different ways of scaling their difficulties.
To make a long story short: CoTM ditched the shop functionality, reintroduced a rigid, bare-bones whip system, multiplied uncomfortable environments, and aspired to be as user-hostile as possible. Unsurprisingly, it was hard.
OoE skyrocketed item prices, topped enemy health and power, made bosses incredibly deadly and resilient, and focused on pattern recognition and weaknesses. After the supreme battling ease of the Sorrow games, OoE came off as 'shockingly' difficult to its contemporaries (I was relieved).
So it probably isn't as "clear" as you'd expect.
Now, as for which game best handled its difficulty, that's essentially a matter of personal taste.
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Post by: son_the_vampire on October 28, 2013, 04:22:26 PM
I agree with the OP. I'll never argue any classic remake, so long as they don't change the gameplay.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: kadosho on October 28, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
2001 was a bizarre year, COTM definitely heralded the times we've all experienced. But I think it does deserve a sequel, a side chapter with the consequences of what Nathan had done. Retaining the card abilities, yet also able to implement new skills. **perhaps gained through elemental means?
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: zangetsu468 on October 29, 2013, 10:55:10 PM
Depends on how you look at it. The games had very different ways of scaling their difficulties.
To make a long story short: CoTM ditched the shop functionality, reintroduced a rigid, bare-bones whip system, multiplied uncomfortable environments, and aspired to be as user-hostile as possible. Unsurprisingly, it was hard.
OoE skyrocketed item prices, topped enemy health and power, made bosses incredibly deadly and resilient, and focused on pattern recognition and weaknesses. After the supreme battling ease of the Sorrow games, OoE came off as 'shockingly' difficult to its contemporaries (I was relieved).
So it probably isn't as "clear" as you'd expect.
Now, as for which game best handled its difficulty, that's essentially a matter of personal taste.

OOE probably handled it's difficulty better in the sense that if you played COTM on capped Level 1 (not even on a hard mode) it would most likely be much more difficult to finish imo, I doubt the player would deal barely any damage at all to lower level enemies. (Also you could get more screwed if your DSS cards were rubbish) Finishing the game on the normal setting (levelled up) was fairly tough and obviously the gameplay hadn't evolved as much. 

I say this except I forget about OOE Albus mode on the hardest setting (Lv1 Max Cap Hard) I'm up to Dracula currently and that's quite tough.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Oniros on November 04, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
OOE probably handled it's difficulty better in the sense that if you played COTM on capped Level 1 (not even on a hard mode) it would most likely be much more difficult to finish imo, I doubt the player would deal barely any damage at all to lower level enemies. (Also you could get more screwed if your DSS cards were rubbish) Finishing the game on the normal setting (levelled up) was fairly tough and obviously the gameplay hadn't evolved as much. 

I say this except I forget about OOE Albus mode on the hardest setting (Lv1 Max Cap Hard) I'm up to Dracula currently and that's quite tough.
I found Albus mode even on normal to be pretty tough. Levels were easy but boss battles like Brachyura, Blackmore, and Dracula were pretty damn hard.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: Chernabogue on November 04, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
I found Albus mode even on normal to be pretty tough. Levels were easy but boss battles like Brachyura, Blackmore, and Dracula were pretty damn hard.
The hidden cavern with Albus is a really hard challenge too.
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 18, 2013, 04:20:19 AM
I found Albus mode even on normal to be pretty tough. Levels were easy but boss battles like Brachyura, Blackmore, and Dracula were pretty damn hard.

Blackmore is tough unless you beat him by groundslide cancel> flame kick, if you time it right you can land on the other side of him and flame kick again and again before he has time to turn around. Eligor was just... nasty, took a lot of shots but was doable - killing the archers was the most tedious part.

Dracula is not difficult aside from 2nd form Dominus hatred, I seem to not be able to teleport consecutively in time, it was much easier to activate Rapidus Fio with Shanoa, outrun the attack and activate 2xMelio Scutum Glyph union; rinse and repeat.

The hidden cavern with Albus is a really hard challenge too.

Eeeeeeee... I don't know if I will bother trying that, with the limited time I have to play games a win against Dracula is enough for me XD

Actually reminds me of trying the hardest challenges on POR LV1 max hard... Easy enough until you had to fight 2 x The creature :/ 
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: theANdROId on November 23, 2013, 02:25:09 AM
How can I wholeheartedly disagree with any of the ideas?  A port or remake of so many of the titles would be awesome!!
- The CV 64 games?  YES!  LoD is my favorite installment.  Plus, my 64 doesn't work so I don't even have a way to play it anymore!  Maybe with a little 3DS action?  Maybe some extra levels or yet another playable character?  Heck yeah!

- Dracula's Curse?  Absolutely!  I may favor a port here (nostalgia) but branching paths and multiple characters is awesome!  Actually...a remake wouldn't be so bad either!

- CotM?  I really enjoyed all of the gameplay twists with the different characters.  Maybe add a sprite change for the different forms though...and everything Intersection said here (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6627.msg146546.html#msg146546).

- The Demon Castle Wars?  I'd love to play that out!

But in addition to challenge, I want something long...something with several parts (quest, sidequest, achievement, whatever...) to work at so the experience lasts.  I really enjoyed MoF, but it seemed like it ended so quickly...once I beat it there was nothing left to do!
Title: Re: Circle of the Moon 3DS should be the next 3DS Vania.
Post by: zangetsu468 on November 26, 2013, 11:51:48 PM
How can I wholeheartedly disagree with any of the ideas?  A port or remake of so many of the titles would be awesome!!
- The CV 64 games?  YES!  LoD is my favorite installment.  Plus, my 64 doesn't work so I don't even have a way to play it anymore!  Maybe with a little 3DS action?  Maybe some extra levels or yet another playable character?  Heck yeah!

I actually really hoped for this when the 3DS came out and it seemed that 64 remakes were rampant... Sadly, not to be :(
I did play it a few months back on the hardest setting with Cornell and Carrie (the time limit is tough to get the good ending with her)

- Dracula's Curse?  Absolutely!  I may favor a port here (nostalgia) but branching paths and multiple characters is awesome!  Actually...a remake wouldn't be so bad either!

Definitely remake material

- CotM?  I really enjoyed all of the gameplay twists with the different characters.  Maybe add a sprite change for the different forms though...and everything Intersection said here (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6627.msg146546.html#msg146546).

Just needs some new mechanics like backdash and  more balance with DSS cards you pick up (some are useless together)

- The Demon Castle Wars?  I'd love to play that out!
Story of everyone's life :P

But in addition to challenge, I want something long...something with several parts (quest, sidequest, achievement, whatever...) to work at so the experience lasts.  I really enjoyed MoF, but it seemed like it ended so quickly...once I beat it there was nothing left to do!

The issue with MOF is that every character was pretty much the same, and the 3d mechanics in a 2.5D game... I mean why give Simon an axe which goes straight and can't go through platforms (it just hits the ceiling!) :/

The combat wasn't bad, the game as a whole was just a bit lacklustre.