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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Ahasverus on October 03, 2013, 08:54:41 PM
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Thanks to Tora Shiro, a Konami empoyee on Neogaf, we finally have confirmation that Koji Igarashi ended his role as series producer. The series is now under jurisdiction of Konami Europe (not even Japan now)
Konami employee here. He's still around, but isn't involved with Castlevania at all right now. That is 100% in MercurySteam and Konami Europe's court.
I think that's the limit to what I'm allowed to say.
He also suggested that he was /demoted/ to a window (e.g. burocratic) job after being suggested for IGA to go the inafune route
Not everyone is brave enough or ambitious enough to follow Inafune. A lot of producers that have 'window jobs' at major companies are there because they get demoted to a comfortable position of being less relevant but not affecting their pay (not saying this is true for IGA, but rather true for many current and former producer roles).
You all know I'm happy by these news as I personally consider IGA to be in permanent creative stagnation since... ever, but the guy has his fans, so mourn it a river if you please.
The most interesting this is, will MS let go the franchise? will it continue in Europe? Is the rumor about Climax Studios true?
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The heck... Mhhh.... ehh well.... I'm not the biggest fan of IGA(in the end he and his team just did not cut it) but now cv is in a very interesting position. What are some good European studios ATM that could work on cv? I do not have any that come to mind.
But window job ehh. Gunpei Yokoi If I recall correctly was assigned to a window job/seat after the virutal boy incident (G4 icons defined what a window job is). So all in all he's pretty much useless now? If he wants to makes games he has to leave.
Also climax studio? Who are they?
But hmm.... do we have a link? I kind of cannot believe it.
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Also climax studio? Who are they?
They guys from Silent Hill Origins and Shattered Memories, and the LoS PC port. They seem to do well with stablished gameplay systems. They make lovely 2D games too. I like them.
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They guys from Silent Hill Origins and Shattered Memories, and the LoS PC port. They seem to do well with stablished gameplay systems. They make lovely 2D games too. I like them.
Still kind of hard to believe you know. Why neo-gaf? I just kind of question it that's all.
How good are SHO and SM?
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Totally expected. Castlevania is gonna go the Silent Hill route from here on out.
Also climax studio? Who are they?
Developers of Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Silent Hill Origins, Rocket Knight XBLA and Castlevania Lords of Shadow Ultimate Edition. They have a history with Konami already, wouldn't shock me if they're next in line for Castlevania.
Still kind of hard to believe you know. Why neo-gaf? I just kind of question it that's all.
Gaf has quite a few industry insiders (if confirmed by mods and if they're not they would get banned) so I doubt he would risk his account for lying.
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Totally expected. Castlevania is gonna go the Silent Hill route from here on out.
Developers of Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Silent Hill Origins, Rocket Knight XBLA and Castlevania Lords of Shadow Ultimate Edition. They have a history with Konami already, wouldn't shock me if they're next in line for Castlevania.
Gaf has quite a few industry insiders (if confirmed by mods and if they're not they would get banned) so I doubt he would risk his account for lying.
Is this something to be afraid off? I did hear rocket knight was okay but nothing to write home about. So with time and polish could they do a good cv game? Also since I do not know anything about them, how has their track record been overall?
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Is this something to be afraid off? I did hear rocket knight was okay but nothing to write home about. So with time and polish could they do a good cv game? Also since I do not know anything about them, how has their track record been overall?
Moderate Hit or giant miss mostly.
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Interestingly, they're british so they are under Konami Europe's orders. Dave Cox' too, even. And SH origins was still based on a Team Silent storyline, Shattered Memories story is AMAZING, probably one of the best stories/storytelling of the medium. As for the gameplay, I think they are comfortable when there are systems already in place, and they did LoS port so they know how the combat works mechanically.
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Moderate Hit or giant miss mostly.
Oh okay so not to be pessimistic but
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN83ldBQVzA#)
aren't we.
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Yeah.RIP Castlevania for real this time.
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Yeah.RIP Castlevania for real this time.
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ahh so reality is Alucard no wonder it sucks :P
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Reality be a cruel mistress I tell ya what.
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I wouldn't worry too much, Cox himself planned to end the LoS series after LoS2 and Mr. Shino said that MS and Konami Europe hold the rights as of now. That could still change in the future and another competent japanese developer could still do the series justice if not by a slim chance IGA himself.
Calm your jets. I know some of us are very excited about this new direction, but there is nothing definitive at this point.
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So all in all he's pretty much useless now?
He's got himself a job.
Things might have been different if he had done any real games after OOE. A fighting game and half-assed multiplayer game weren't really what the series needed (nor what anyone desired).
Not that I'm any more happy with Cox or anyone else currently involved with the series.
Hopefully Konami will hire some good outside talent to make good games again, or even some inside teams. I've always felt that Castlevania should never be under the hands of one producer. It's the experimentation and different teams and talents that made the older games so good.
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I think Platinum Games would be a good fit. One of Hideki Kamiya's all time favourite gages was the original Castlevania and I think if they collaborate with Konami like they did with Metal Gear Rising, we could have a great game on our hands.
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If they make a free whipping system a la Blade Mode, I'm down.
Not all people might be down for evencraziercombovania, though, considering how their most famous games are.
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Well... this is pretty depressing news to wake up to. :-\
I'll be happy to go back on my stance later, but right now? I'm steeling myself for 5-10 more years of MissingThePointVania.
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Yeah, Platinum would just make a convoluted combo system. I don't find that very fun or Castlevania-like myself.
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I've thought a lot of the Castlevania games have been getting too Japanese in their feel anyway.
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Totally expected. Castlevania is gonna go the Silent Hill route from here on out.
Oh Christ no. I'm really sick of the Japan side not doing anything but Metal Gear anymore.
I would think of this change as a better sign if this were anyone but Konami.
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What a fucking shitty title Ahasverus. Read the fucking quote and it says that he's not involved with Castlevania right now.
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Well, IGA had said he wanted to get outside of Castlevania. I guess it's good that the game will change hands, since that's what gave spice to the older games, but I hope it doesn't mean the Silent Hill route of "who will work for the least money".
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It's not like IGA is really necessary to this series at all. They just need to make a Castlevania game respecting what made the series good in the first place. Anyone at Konami or other studio can take the place for all I care. Just make a good game and I'll play it.
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Actually I was gonna do that comment myself.But even if it's really like what you said, it didn't hurt, because I'm a girl ;D
If I were you I wouldn't jump into conclusions.Just because right now they're handing over the reigns to Europe which is pretty odd, things might not go that well in the future, and who knows maybe Iga will be involved in a game, especially if it's in 2D since you know MS sucks at 2D games*cough Mirror of Fate cough*.
One thing is for sure, IGA didn't resign from Konami and with him or without him I hope Castlevania will go back to Japan. There is one studio in particular that could come up with a really good 2D Castlevania and it's Vanillaware. I don't care about 3D CV tbh.
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Well i sure never saw that coming. But Konami like Capcom (and Ninty to an extent) are in creative stagnation, much like Inafune criticized.
Maybe Europe can get a classy CV going. i have faith.
Now if only Capcom would hand megaman over to Capcom of US...
especially if it's in 2D since you know MS sucks at 2D games
You are implying MS will continue to be involved with CV after LoS2.
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Well this could be grim news, if it is sent to the studio that ported over LoS to the PC I think we can safely assume that the porting was intended to partly be an audition and a training exercise, similar to the situation of the outside studio that made the HD port of the Sly Cooper trilogy, then made Sly 4. So if it does turn out to be that studio don't be surprised if we get more LoS style gameplay even if they don't use the same timeline.
Well i sure never saw that coming. But Konami like Capcom (and Ninty to an extent) are in creative stagnation, much like Inafune criticized.
Capcom is stagnating because they like to squeeze every penny they can from consumers who they seemingly contempt. While Nintendo has spent the last 10 years relying so hard on the inevitably shrinking nostalgia and casual* market they seem to be petrified at the thought of doing anything else. As far as I can tell for Konami there's no other reason than weird management decisions. Decisions which remind me of nothing so much as that period where Disney was devaluing all their classic movies by putting out new made-for-video "sequels" every week.
*Not that it was obvious that the casual market would shrink before the widespread adoption of smartphones.
I hope it doesn't mean the Silent Hill route of "who will work for the least money".
Exactly.
I've thought a lot of the Castlevania games have been getting too Japanese in their feel anyway.
To me the Japanese re-interpretation of classic (and cliche) western horror tropes is half the point, but that's me.
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As long as we still have CV games, I'm good with that.
IGA and Konami Japan worked on CV for years/since the beginning. It'll be good to have new takes, like MS did with LoS, on the series.
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I just want enough of the "medieval-set" CVs. I've been begging for this one for a while, and with Europe in charge, maybe they can do it, but c'mon, Victorian era set CV!!!! That or something more inspired by Hammer horror. I'm tired of "Ye Olde" Crusaders and monsters(epecially with Castlevania). Give me something, at the least, Baroque and onward(Baroque to Edwardian, preferably).
Also, if they plan on giving use Drac, cut the bullshit "Mysterious unknown stranger becomes a vampire and names himself 'Dracula'!". Vlad the Impaler... just fuckin DO IT! It's soooo simple. No overly complex reason or means of transformation. Hell, they can go a bit with CV's original "practiced demonic magic" and Stoker's hint that he was a student at Scholomance(learning the dark arts as an apprentice to the Devil himself). I don't understand why people make it so much harder than it could be.
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Honestly I liked Iga he seemed like a good guy. However, just give me a CV with a guy whose surname is Belmont that uses a whip and kills monsters in a huge ass castle and eventually to Dracula himself. IMO CV should not be hard to do. It doesn't have a tough plot. Let's just keep it classic.
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Regarding Konami Europe taking over the series in the future, I don't think that quote suggests anything of the sort. So, the topic title is jumping to conclusions a bit. :P
I was half expecting IGA was working on a killer game these last three years, but I guess he doesn't want to come back. I actually don't mind, as long as they stay away from the lame and generic Lords of Shadow aesthetics and terrible writing, to put it bluntly. Anyway, I definitely would like to see alternate takes on the series with different storylines and world views.
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To me the Japanese re-interpretation of classic (and cliche) western horror tropes is half the point, but that's me.
Exactly. Thank you.
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Well, i believe IGA must got tired of getting accused all the time for his Castlevania games, so i can't blame him for not wanted to come back. I don't have problem with Castlevania getting to a European terrain, as long as the team that is going to get the lead, doesn't follow the LoS route. I'm all open for new things, but for me the LoS direction, doesn't feel right for what a Castlevania game is.
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Wow, the first headline I see in CV Dungeon is this.
Well, I couldn't blame IGA for being happy (if I presume) being relegated to a window/desk job while keeping his salary, he has to have a stable job without risks, since he has kids to raise.
I just don't know now if I should raise my hopes or lower it further....
Dracula originated in Europe so they should know best, right? Or would it be like a generic western horror movie?
I am certain that I would miss the Japanese interpretation of the series, especially the inclusion of asian elements and shinto stuff.
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*mourns Castlevania*
I will forever miss u...;_;
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Mr. Shiro has posted some other interesting tidbits, and would appear to be a Konami employee in a Marketing/Promotion position, likely in America.
Most of what I know comes secondhand from my coworkers who have met with him at Japan HQ.
Jotamide: The DS Castlevanias (bombed). Which led to IGA being pushed to the side by Konami.
ToraShiro: Actually not the reason. The DS ones sold OK, it was Judgement and Harmony of Despair that pushed him aside. The budgeting and scheduling for those games did not help, though.
FYI he had 6 months to develop the game for Wii. Set up to fail.
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Konami should just hire me as head CV writer guy.
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I can understand Judgment bombing, but not Harmony of Despair. It was in the top 5 of best selling PSN games. IGA received an award for it. Or did the game still not generate enough sales despite that?
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Probably didn't make enough money to satisfy Konami's bloodthirsty wallets. They probably expected it to do Lords of Shadow numbers.
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Castlevania not under the creative direction of a Japanese studio is worrying. It really does seem like the series will become the next Silent Hill.
Absolutely terrible, at least we've got a lifetime's worth of amazing games to go back and replay over and over. Despite how promising LoS2 looks, I just have no reason to be optimistic about the franchise future right now.
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Just give Castlevania to Kojima Productions instead...
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Konami should just hire me as head CV writer guy.
I support this.
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This thread title sound like a war headline. "Confirmed: the country is no longer sovereign. Europe helms the government". ;D
I think we're exaggerating a bit here. Why should we be "mourning" IGA? He isn't dead, is he? If anything, it's good news -- we now know that IGA hasn't entirely disappeared; better yet, he's still working for Konami.
And as for his "not being involved in CV right now", well, what did you expect? Did you seriously believe that he was still somehow involved by the time Lords of Shadow came out? That game is entirely MS's brainchild; to me, at least, it seemed rather obvious that IGA had been absent from its development...
At the moment, nothing fully discounts the possibility of an eventual IGA return. Of course, it's far from likely, but it isn't any less probable now than it was before your interview was released. If the ball is ever knocked back to Japan's camp, a revival could certainly occur.
If there's anyone we will soon be mourning, it's Cox. He's promised to leave as soon as LoS2 is completed. I'm sure we all agree that he game something interesting to the series; and many of us truly appreciate his work (myself amongst them). So it'd only be a common courtesy to be there for his departure. We should all be present to see him out with a smile, wishing him luck on his next project -- and making sure he closes the door after him. After all, we wouldn't like to see him have any... second thoughts.
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I just don't know now if I should raise my hopes or lower it further....
Dracula originated in Europe so they should know best, right? Or would it be like a generic western horror movie?
I am certain that I would miss the Japanese interpretation of the series, especially the inclusion of asian elements and shinto stuff.
I don't buy the "They are European, and Dracula originated in Europe, so they know best.". That's bullshit. I'm sure creative minds with great ideas should not be quarted via continental pride. If we want to get particular, maybe we should let an all Romanian studio make the game, or an all Irish studio(because of Stoker). I'm also pretty sure that makes me more credable, by default, to make a game about cowboys, even if there might be a scholar in South Korean particularly well versed in South-Western history of the United States, because I'm American, I know best. Inspiration and information are things that transcends cultures and nationlities. I don't think European game makers are the BEST qualified to make CV games by default. Anybody with the drive and knowledge can deliver something good.
For me, I don't care WHO makes the game as long as it gives me that essence of horror that I know and love about the series.
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*Reads title*
*Reads "news"*
Guys, have you really stopped thinking so easily? He onlyu stated the obvious thing that everyone already knew. He said that actually Europe is in charge of CV games, everyone knows about that since LoS1, we also know that IGA isnt working in any CV game for now.
So in reality these "news" are only a statement about something that we already know, it says the actual situation, nothing about what will happen after LoS2.
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*Reads title*
*Reads "news"*
Guys, have you really stopped thinking so easily? He onlyu stated the obvious thing that everyone already knew. He said that actually Europe is in charge of CV games, everyone knows about that since LoS1, we also know that IGA isnt working in any CV game for now.
So in reality these "news" are only a statement about something that we already know, it says the actual situation, nothing about what will happen after LoS2.
Im pretty sure that guy knew more but isn't allowed to tell. So he told only what they should know, that IGA has been window seated.
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Im pretty sure that guy knew more but isn't allowed to tell. So he told only what they should know, that IGA has been window seated.
That's actually good, didn't the man say that he was tired of making games and just wanted a good retirement? It's like a prize for him.
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Mr. Shiro has posted some other interesting tidbits, and would appear to be a Konami employee in a Marketing/Promotion position, likely in America.
Really?? Hm... I thought Harmony of Despair was... well, maybe not well received in our circle, but I was under the impression it was pretty popular at least for a little while.
And 6 months to do Judgment, or Rebirth? Either way... fucking OUCH. I'm kind of surprised anyone there thought Judgment would sell enough to warrant funding though. A niche genre game of an already niche series?
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Really?? Hm... I thought Harmony of Despair was... well, maybe not well received in our circle, but I was under the impression it was pretty popular at least for a little while.
And 6 months to do Judgment, or Rebirth? Either way... fucking OUCH. I'm kind of surprised anyone there thought Judgment would sell enough to warrant funding though. A niche genre game of an already niche series?
There's those baffling upper management decisions from Konami. The Castlevania series always has been handled strangely (hopping from platform to platform wearing out fan loyalty and casual consumer interest) but especially since the IGA era with absurd sales expectations and even more absurd development and budget windows.
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There's those baffling upper management decisions from Konami. The Castlevania series always has been handled strangely (hopping from platform to platform wearing out fan loyalty and casual consumer interest) but especially since the IGA era with absurd sales expectations and even more absurd development and budget windows.
I truly believe managers and high level executives for VIDEO GAME companies SHOULD be well versed in video games and not just some business guy who can crunch numbers really well. A lot of these companies are run by guys who have no business making decisions for video games franchise and are out of touch with gamers in general.
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That's actually good, didn't the man say that he was tired of making games and just wanted a good retirement? It's like a prize for him.
I don't think he ever said that, or if he did he might have been joking. As proof he got involved in other games other than Castlevania after LoS came out.
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If you ever looked on IGA's facebook page, you'd know he still works for Konami. He posts pictures of himself at Konami employee events. He also apparently makes jewelry or something like that as a hobby.
Also don't visit his page if you're hungry because he has a zillion pics of whatever he's eating and you will get very hungry very fast.
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I don't think he ever said that, or if he did he might have been joking. As proof he got involved in other games other than Castlevania after LoS came out.
I'd quote your signature for eternity
http://www.gamesradar.com/castlevania-the-mega-interview/?page=5 (http://www.gamesradar.com/castlevania-the-mega-interview/?page=5)
I'm sorry... I'm getting busier and busier. Sometimes I feel like I'm getting too old. I'm just waiting for my lottery winnings and then I can leave Konami.
That's a passionate man up there.
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*facepalm*
You obviously can't tell when someone is joking. I guess it must be because of your blind hatred towards IGA.Blaming him for all the problems Castlevania is having is unfair imo.Let's not forget that Konami has only been interested in making profits, mostly through the MGS franchise, and didn't care that much about the well being of CV, but they still want make some profits out of it no matter what.
I could go on and on about this and prove you that IGA isn't the only one to be held responsible for all the bad stuff that happened to the franchise, but I've done that a hundred times before, and it's getting really ridiculous at this point.
You should know by now Konami didn't make the right decision to make LoS. The first game was ok(and I'm being very generous) and MoF...Let's not even talk about it. And from the looks of it LoS2 isn't going to be the great game that we're all expecting.
IGA and his team gave us 2 really good CV games or more, a bunch of good games, and maybe 2 or 3 bad titles. When I look at that legacy, I think that IGA did a good job, maybe it wasn't perfect but I sure enjoyed it, even those games that I didn't like at first.And I'm sure that he genuinely cared about CV, and tried not to butcher the old cannon too much, unlike those who followed.
Well I don't blame him for wanting to break from CV, especially if he had to cope with the way of thinking of the heads at Konami. I hope he can still make video games in a way or another.And If it's CV, I'll be really glad and I'm not afraid to say it.
Btw just for your sake I'm not gonna ever change my sig, because one day you'll feel the same way, when some european studio completely ruins Castlevania, or worse, when Kojima does....Oh wait he did, by making a Belmont become Dracula ;D
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If you don't have anything of value to contribute, don't post.
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*facepalm*
You obviously can't tell when someone is joking. I guess it must be because of your blind hatred towards IGA.Blaming him for all the problems Castlevania is having is unfair imo.Let's not forget that Konami has only been interested in making profits, mostly through the MGS franchise, and didn't care that much about the well being of CV, but they still want make some profits out of it no matter what.
I could go on and on about this and prove you that IGA isn't the only one to be held responsible for all the bad stuff that happened to the franchise, but I've done that a hundred times before, and it's getting really ridiculous at this point.
You should know by now Konami didn't make the right decision to make LoS. The first game was ok(and I'm being very generous) and MoF...Let's not even talk about it. And from the looks of it LoS2 isn't going to be the great game that we're all expecting.
IGA and his team gave us 2 really good CV games or more, a bunch of good games, and maybe 2 or 3 bad titles. When I look at that legacy, I think that IGA did a good job, maybe it wasn't perfect but I sure enjoyed it, even those games that I didn't like at first.And I'm sure that he genuinely cared about CV, and tried not to butcher the old cannon too much, unlike those who followed.
Well I don't blame him for wanting to break from CV, especially if he had to cope with the way of thinking of the heads at Konami. I hope he can still make video games in a way or another.And If it's CV, I'll be really glad and I'm not afraid to say it.
Btw just for your sake I'm not gonna ever change my sig, because one day you'll feel the same way, when some european studio completely ruins Castlevania, or worse, when Kojima does....Oh wait he did, by making a Belmont become Dracula ;D
Jesus Christ this reeks of butthurt...
>quote a post by IGA on leaving Konami when someone remembers him mentioning retirement
>YOU ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM
Also, I don't get why Kojima is always attached to that twist in LoS... he has nothing to do with it... His involvement was anything but story related.
And Belmont Becoming Dracula is silly, but who cares? How does that ruin Castlevania? It's not like somebody took solvent to the Mona Lisa, or chopped the dick off of the David.
It's inconsequential. And, it has no bearing on the classic canon.
This isn't Dacre Stoker ruining the original Book's lore by writing the "sequel", Lords of Shadow is an Alternate universe take on the franchise. It's not even a reboot anymore really. They've settled pretty comfortably on "alternate universe".
And besides, Gabriel is a far more sympathetic character than Mathias ever was. Only time he was ever sympathetic was Symphony, and even then, it's for shit, since his lament upon dying means nothing, and he comes back next game as evil as ever anyway, ruining a potentially good end to the character. Mathias in LoI was a whiny asshole. And a total dick. His reasons for becoming a Vampire make no sense whatsoever. Only reason he's really even memorable is Crispin Freeman voicing him. Gabriel meanwhile, actually does have a definitive origin and an ending. (supposedly)
Also, Nobody's arguing about IGA's good games. Just that he had a very flawed dev process, that involved gimmick driven games, and bad storywriting for sequels.
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Well, at least IGA's 2D gameplay was one of the most satisfying shit I've ever played. He could still be an advisor for 2Dvanias in my opinion but, whatever. I'm pretty sure the next developers will do fine, at least better than LoS.
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Jesus Christ this reeks of butthurt...
>quote a post by IGA on leaving Konami when someone remembers him mentioning retirement
>YOU ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM
Also, I don't get why Kojima is always attached to that twist in LoS... he has nothing to do with it... His involvement was anything but story related.
And Belmont Becoming Dracula is silly, but who cares? How does that ruin Castlevania? It's not like somebody took solvent to the Mona Lisa, or chopped the dick off of the David.
>says that dont get why Kojima is attached to LoS twist
>states that Kojima worked in LoS story
Can you decide yourself? :rollseyes:
Not everyone like the treatment that LoS story have given for characters, putting a old and well known name in a random character isnt a good idea.
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This thread is like a big summary of the 2010-present era of the CVD forums! :o
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>says that dont get why Kojima is attached to LoS twist
>states that Kojima worked in LoS story
anything =/= nothing :P
This thread is like a big summary of the 2010-present era of the CVD forums! :o
Or the internet :-X
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This thread is like a big summary of the 2010-present era of the CVD forums! :o
Got your message, we are starting again this line of conversation... bad thing.
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>says that dont get why Kojima is attached to LoS twist
>states that Kojima worked in LoS story
Anything but Story = not story. His involvement was making Konami give it back the Castlevania name and placement, and advising on Gabriel's character design, to make him less brutish. He pretty much existed solely to give his blessing to the project and help sell it because his name was attatched. That's about it...
Oh, and voicing the Japanese chupacabra.
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I agree with Intersection and Lelygax. The quote just affirms something we have already known for years. I don't think a Konami employee is allowed to confirm or deny who is working on a project that is still under wraps. We already know a new 3DS game is being worked on. Maybe by IGA, maybe by somebody else. We can't tell.
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We already know a new 3DS game is being worked on. Maybe by IGA, maybe by somebody else. We can't tell.
I didn't know this. Is there a link or something confirming this?
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Actually, it's a rumor/leak. Here it is: http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6228.0.html (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6228.0.html)
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Actually, it's a rumor/leak.
Ah. So we don't KNOW it, we "know" it.
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Anything but Story = not story. His involvement was making Konami give it back the Castlevania name and placement, and advising on Gabriel's character design, to make him less brutish. He pretty much existed solely to give his blessing to the project and help sell it because his name was attatched. That's about it...
Oh, and voicing the Japanese chupacabra.
Yup, Kojima was only there to "oversee" the game's progress. As for his actual role, it was strictly advisory.
Voicing the chupacabra? I can't tell if that's a joke or not...
I agree with Intersection and Lelygax. The quote just affirms something we have already known for years. I don't think a Konami employee is allowed to confirm or deny who is working on a project that is still under wraps. We already know a new 3DS game is being worked on. Maybe by IGA, maybe by somebody else. We can't tell.
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I never knew about a future 3DS CV, either. But, in any case, it would seem pretty logical for Konami to continue the series on Nintendo's handheld; it's done that since the early GB days. Even though its first 3DS outing left much to be desired...
As for the rumor, I'm not sure how I could have missed it, since I'd already been perusing the forums (from the outside) by the time it was posted... these things happen, I guess. As for the rumor itself, well, these rumors often turn out to be true...
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This thread is like a big summary of the 2010-present era of the CVD forums! :o
So THAT'S why I feel like I just stepped back into the post-LoS release. Judging by some of the posts in this thread, you'd think Konami Europe just went around and slaughtered the firstborn child of 75% of the members on this forum.
So IGA isn't working on Castlevania, and this is news? I thought everyone had already figured this out. Was there some underlying belief that IGA was going to come back on a flaming chariot with some 2.5D Alucard game and bring Konami back to the top of the heap of gaming? Because that's not how business works. With no words on however good or bad his games may have been, under IGA, the series went from a console staple to an incredibly niche series, and that's saying nothing about Judgement and HoDespair. Konami can only ride on "Well, this guy made SotN" for so long.
Fact is that we have close to no idea what is going to come down the pipe after LoS save for a couple of spattered rumors here and there, but all it takes is the slightest whiff of potential change in the development, and everyone is drawing battle lines.
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I'm really getting tired of this Nintendo handheld exclusive crap. Vita is light years ahead of the 3ds. Sony deserves CV on handhelds. At least the. We could gt a game that doesn't look a decade old.
The idea of another 3ds Vania angers me.
The 3ds blows.
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I'm really getting tired of this Nintendo handheld exclusive crap. Vita is light years ahead of the 3ds. Sony deserves CV on handhelds. At least the. We could gt a game that doesn't look a decade old.
The idea of another 3ds Vania angers me.
The 3ds blows.
To be honest, i don't care about 3DS or Vita, i'd rather see/have a new 2D console Castlevania game, than handheld ones.
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I agree. But the vita is way closer to console quality than the 3ds.
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I'm really getting tired of this Nintendo handheld exclusive crap. Vita is light years ahead of the 3ds. Sony deserves CV on handhelds. At least the. We could gt a game that doesn't look a decade old.
The idea of another 3ds Vania angers me.
The 3ds blows.
And the Dreamcast was lightyears ahead of its generation, the PSP was more powerful than the DS. Fact is that the Vita bombed at release, and is still showing very lackluster sales. Why would Konami want to release games on a handheld that isn't selling well, and doesn't have the brand history for the series in question like the DS did?
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I see it's already calming down on its own but just to make sure it doesn't flair up again, let's keep some of the more hateful language in this thread scaled back ok? There's no need for personal insults or petty snide remarks, we're all better than that. Just stay mellow and remember games are supposed to be fun.
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Because the new style of LOS appeals more to adults and the vita is a more adult friendly handheld. Not to mention they could make a superior game on the vita.
The 3ds did nothing for me. It was the fastest I've ever bought a system and sold it. I kept it for like 2 months.
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Because the new style of LOS appeals more to adults and the vita is a more adult friendly handheld.
Why would "adult appeal" matter at all? As far as I know, that was never part of the CV equation.
Not to mention they could make a superior game on the vita.
I don't think the choice of a platform would have that much influence on the game in itself -- the task of making it "superior" is ultimately in the hands of the developers. The only difference I could imagine concretely affecting its mechanics would be the double screen division of the 3DS.
I don't give much faith to the 3D effect; it's not going to bring much more to a game, especially if it's Castlevania. Besides, it hasn't impressed me as much as it should have.
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A console/handheld is only as good as the games on it. Vita is an impressive piece of hardware but compared to the 3DS there's still nothing to play on it. Well, it's getting better and better but the 3DS is lightyears ahead. Graphics only goes so far.
I'm sure a Vita CV would look spectacular but right now I'd prefer it on 3DS so that I don't have to buy a Vita to play one game (Well, there's that Ys game too..). Maybe Konami should go the Arkham Origins Blackgate route and release their next handheld game on both.
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Voicing the chupacabra? I can't tell if that's a joke or not...
he voiced the japanese Chupacabra. No joke. His name is in the Japanese trailer as the Chupacabra. XD
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Me: and the next, Is it 2D? For what formats?
He: All I know is technical, was in the working document that we received. I can tell you that will be released for portable platforms, whether it will be in 2D or 2.5D was not yet decided, will depend on the team that take the project, but I can tell you that they really liked the graphics of MoF. said nothing about it to be a Japanese team, particularly I think so, because after a game for the West now seek other to the east.
Me: Also released in Vita?
He: In the worksheet put 3DS, Vita, iOS, Android, want to seize all platforms. They do it in the Vita for the Japanese market, the next castlevania is intended primarily Japanese market, and vita is enough important in Japan (not in America / Europe).
Please PLEASE don't turn out to be a handheld Pachislot game.
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With no words on however good or bad his games may have been, under IGA, the series went from a console staple to an incredibly niche series, and that's saying nothing about Judgement and HoDespair.
It was a niche series by '93.
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It was a niche series by '93.
Truth. While the original trilogy was a big deal in the US, Konami's plan to put a different game in the series on each 16bit platform, rather than just making ports of the same game or producing them all for one platform like most series, ran out fan enthusiasm. You have to remember back in the day if you wanted to play Bloodlines and all you had was an SNES that would have been an investment of hundreds of dollars, not even counting inflation. This is a policy Konami stayed with for the series through the 32bit era, all before IGA became head. In fact I'd say his work to put so many games on the Nintendo handhelds specifically helped raise the profile of the series from what it had been, at least for a time.
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I'm really getting tired of this Nintendo handheld exclusive crap. Vita is light years ahead of the 3ds. Sony deserves CV on handhelds. At least the. We could gt a game that doesn't look a decade old.
The idea of another 3ds Vania angers me.
The 3ds blows.
..... Nah man remember it's the software that sells the hardware (as well as the price tag) and the vita seems to lack that 3DS well...... I could go on forever but everyone understand where I'm going with this.
It's like when the game boy came out there was the lynx,Turboexpress and gamegear but the three lost due to that price tag(and for some the lack of good software from what I hear wonderswan did good compared to the neo-geo and GBC) and it is kind of repeating it's self with this handheld gen and even with this price drop I hear about the vita how is the software line up going to be? The vita is powerful yes but it's not doing much to the point that publishers seem to not want to do anything with it. If there are good games and I mean alot coming up to compete with the 3ds tell me. For me persona is really the only game I would consider for the vita nothing else excites me.
I do not want to hate the vita but having raw power is one thing, but history has shown in the handheld department that affordability and strong support(this goes without saying) for a system is what makes it thrive and for that reason vita is just not preforming as well as it could be.
Also when I go to school I see only one person have a vita why is that?
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Because the new style of LOS appeals more to adults and the vita is a more adult friendly handheld. Not to mention they could make a superior game on the vita.
Well, LoS is coming to an end, so that really doesn't matter at all now, does it?
Besides, all this adult talk. Adult taste is overated, to the point that adults act like they deserve more than they do regarding games. It's like they want games to grow up with them and them in particular, screw every other generation out there, the adults of the NOW are the most important. Kids take the back seat, games are supposed to be for the GROWN UPS! Yeah, BS. Imagine if adults felt that way back when I started to get into games, life as a kid would've SUCKED! It's one of my beliefs that some selfish adults have to pull their heads out of their asses and REALLY grow up(as in not be fixed on gamer selfishness and let others have their way sometimes). What do they say, it's the Age of Entitlement?
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The only game I want on 3DS is Pokemon. Maybe Mario Kart, it's always a safe bet.
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I just wanted to post and say that the way that people jumped on Odile Kuronoma, who's been my friend many years, a while back was unfair and mean since she was just expressing her opinion and trying to have a sense of humor about the situation. I don't think I was clear enough before. Let's not get so caught up in these debates that we become nasty.
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The only game I want on 3DS is Pokemon. Maybe Mario Kart, it's always a safe bet.
Not to go off subject but I found Mario Kart 7 boring
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Truth. While the original trilogy was a big deal in the US, Konami's plan to put a different game in the series on each 16bit platform, rather than just making ports of the same game or producing them all for one platform like most series, ran out fan enthusiasm. You have to remember back in the day if you wanted to play Bloodlines and all you had was an SNES that would have been an investment of hundreds of dollars, not even counting inflation. This is a policy Konami stayed with for the series through the 32bit era, all before IGA became head. In fact I'd say his work to put so many games on the Nintendo handhelds specifically helped raise the profile of the series from what it had been, at least for a time.
I'd argue the point that the GBA/DS releases raised the profile of the series. Castlevania was definitely a bigger name (both in recognition and sales) during the SCIV era than it was at any point during the Metroidvania string.
Bloodlines may have been a lesser known title, much like Rondo was, but that's because they were the deviations from the Nintendo consoles. SCIV was still a big game. People actually knew about it, and Symphony, being as good as it was, managed to move a lot of fans, but by the time OoE rolled around, the only people who had any idea what was going on with Castlevania were Castlevania fans.
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DoS was everywhere when it was released. Nintendo Power had a boner for it, definitely. There was also a pretty big advertisement for a while for Lament at my nearby Electronic Boutique (before it became another casualty of gamestoppu).
Saying that sciv was the high point of recognition for the series while IGA killed it leaves a huge 10 year gap between that title's release and when IGA took over as producer of the series. You're exonerating quite a few producers in the meantime, as well as the KCEN/KCEK titles.
IGA said his motivation for making SotN as good as possible was seeing castlevania titles at a local store's bargain bin. The series was definitely dying off after SCIV. You can argue whether he returned the series to 'greatness' or whatever, but he definitely kept the series alive and consistently released games. And that's far more than what can be said for several of Konami's other now-neglected series (Sparkster, Goemon, etc.)
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The video game industry has been constantly shifting over the years. SCIV was at the peak of the series' recognition simply because the games Konami proposed fit fully in the mold of the current video game market.
But with the evolution of available technologies, and with the progressive changes in the tastes of consumers, the style and shape of VG titles was to gradually but fundamentally change. Yet, like so many other aging franchises out there, Castlevania holds its spirit within its 2D, platforming origins, a style that is all but antiquated today. Hence, the difficulties the series has faced while adapting to the modern market.
I'm not the first to mention this -- it's something that all of us know. The point being, as it goes, that we can't directly compare the 1991 popularity of the series to IGA's showings in the mid 2000's. We're talking about very different tastes, very different expectations as to what a good title should be, and an altogether different market. SCIV would be a catastrophic failure were it to be presented as an original game today.
If anything, Castlevania did pretty well compared to the franchises it rivaled with in its beginnings. Many of those are entirely out of the picture nowadays; Castlevania managed, for an impressive amount of time, to stay in the limelight without compromising its core identity.
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I'm actually not trying to say IGA killed the series, so I apologize if I'm coming across that way. I do appreciate what IGA has done for the series, whether it be Symphony of the Night, producing the string of games that he did, or just keeping it alive long enough for it to actually be handed off to another developer. I mean, I did play every game from HoD to, well, HoD. I wouldn't have kept playing if I hated his games.
What I was trying to say is why he's not coming back, at least any time soon, from a business standpoint.
Konami is obviously trying to turn Castlevania into a blockbuster, perhaps with the goal of reviving the IP into something that can rival MGS, and for one reason or another, Castlevania's fanbase has dwindled from IGA's high point at the beginning of his tenure as Mr. Castlevania to its low point at Judgement/HoD. That's going to matter in Konami's eyes, regardless of any sense of holding the series's "spirit" or being consistent. With their obviously lofty goals, why would Konami invest more money into IGA to create another game when he has succeeded only to keep the series alive, rather than turn it into something more profitable?
Saying that sciv was the high point of recognition for the series while IGA killed it leaves a huge 10 year gap between that title's release and when IGA took over as producer of the series. You're exonerating quite a few producers in the meantime, as well as the KCEN/KCEK titles.
I use SCIV as my example because it was the last big release Castlevania game before Symphony of the Night. Belmont's Revenge was a portable title, Rondo and Bloodlines were attempts to spread the audience outside of its core base, and the X68000 title was on the X68000. With Symphony of the Night, IGA created a game that eventually reached megahit status and was never able to recover that popularity after Circle of the Moon.
Again, I didn't mean to imply that the series had never seen issues before IGA came to the forefront, only that IGA's success was ultimately in a steady decline after his breakout game, and that's why he will probably never see himself at the head of a high budget Castlevania title again (which is if he even wants to).
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I think part of the problem right now with the vita is that people think there are no good games on it, while that is absolutely false.
Uncharted Golden Abyss is awesome. Assassins Creed Liberation is a very solid game. Unit 13 is a great 3rd person shooter. Obviously the Y's games, though that's not my thing. Dead or Alive 5+ blows any fighter on the 3ds out of the water. I love playing DO5+ on vita against players on the PS3. And Killzone Mercenary pretty much shames any shooting games on the 3ds. Guacamele is a great metriodvania style game as well.
I would take Modracer's nation over Mario Kart. Little Big Planet is great too.
The Vita has quality over quantity in my opinion.
The games on the 3ds didn't appeal to me at all. The majority of them seem like they are made for kids. The Nintendo e-shop was pretty weak compared to the PS store on the Vita as well.
With all of the PSP games and Mini's available to the vita for download, coupled with it's upcoming ps4 remote play capability, I think it has way better games to offer than the 3ds.
And the main selling point of the 3ds was a joke. I've never in my life been so uncomfortable trying to play a hand held game. You literally have to hold the screen perfectly straight in front of your face to enjoy the 3d at all, and it still has a slight double vision look to it. The one gimmick nintendo tried to win people over with the 3ds was a complete failure.
Take it from someone who owned both. The Vita blows it out of the water on all fronts. A Castlevania game exclusively made for the vita would be incredible.
The vita is expensive, but all you have to do is pick one up off of craigslist for $130 dollars and there ya go. It's well worth the money for a gamer on the go.
Once you actually own a vita, you realize how sweet it is. CV would be amazing on it. I play my Rondo Chronicles and SOTN on it all the time.
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Konami is obviously trying to turn Castlevania into a blockbuster, perhaps with the goal of reviving the IP into something that can rival MGS, and for one reason or another, Castlevania's fanbase has dwindled from IGA's high point at the beginning of his tenure as Mr. Castlevania to its low point at Judgement/HoD. That's going to matter in Konami's eyes, regardless of any sense of holding the series's "spirit" or being consistent.
I don't think Castlevania's fanbase it itself had dwindled during IGA's tenure. I can't imagine many fans leaving after SoTN, since most of IGA's later games were perfectly faithful to what had made them fans in the first place.
Rather, I'd say Castlevania's share of the market and the larger VG audience was dwindling during IGA's period, something which would arguably inevitable.
Again, I didn't mean to imply that the series had never seen issues before IGA came to the forefront, only that IGA's success was ultimately in a steady decline after his breakout game, and that's why he will probably never see himself at the head of a high budget Castlevania title again (which is if he even wants to).
IGA's success wasn't quite in steady decline since his first game; it had remained more or less constant, but at a relatively weaker point, throughout much of his tenure.
But I'm nitpicking here. For the general picture, I completely agree with you.
I think part of the problem right now with the vita is that people think there are no good games on it, while that is absolutely false.
Hey, I don't think any one here has anything against the Vita. It's a well-designed platform that can support some truly great games on it.
The Vita has quality over quantity in my opinion.
That's very possible; but, like we were saying, that's more of the game developers' responsibility. The platform is just there to provide a great medium for the games they create.
The games on the 3ds didn't appeal to me at all. The majority of them seem like they are made for kids. The Nintendo e-shop was pretty weak compared to the PS store on the Vita as well.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "made for kids". Many games out there boast a more universal appeal, and, from what I've seen, that's generally a good thing.
As for the E-shop, it seems Nintendo has suffered from a bad start. Only time can tell what it will become.
And the main selling point of the 3ds was a joke. I've never in my life been so uncomfortable trying to play a hand held game. You literally have to hold the screen perfectly straight in front of your face to enjoy the 3d at all, and it still has a slight double vision look to it. The one gimmick nintendo tried to win people over with the 3ds was a complete failure.
Now here I entirely agree with you. I've always been one of the not-so-few who believe that 3D, as it is, brings precious little to the movie experience. And it's just as relevant (if not even more so) with handheld gaming. The 3D effect is often restrictive and minimal, and does very little to enhance gameplay. Our brain is already capable of intuitive 3D representation; unless the effect is flawlessly integrated with the platform, it's unnecessary and ignorable. And it hurts your eyes.
A Castlevania game exclusively made for the vita would be incredible.
I don't see how that would help. Castlevania has historically been set on Nintendo handhelds, and creating a Vita-exclusive game would do more harm than good. If anything, it would deter DS-owning fans from buying the new title, since the Vita isn't exactly cheap.
Now, a Vita-3DS game would be a good idea; it could potentially broaden the game's audience. But that would imply allotting money to the cross-platform porting, something which may or may not be an economically viable investment.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "made for kids". Many games out there boast a more universal appeal, and, from what I've seen, that's generally a good thing.
That's not a problem. There's strength in marketing to a wider audience than a selected demographic. Actually, it's similar to the reasoning people give regarding "gaming being a business" and how companies are justified by rebooting and targeting a mainstream audience rather than stick with satisfying the needs of the small old fanbase. It's one of those "good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander" bits, or at least is so in justifying what making a CV game on the 3DS is more a likely win than on Vita. Besides, I still think 3DS has the numbers over Vita. There was an article I saw a while a go(well, like a month) where Sony admitted that Vita was not as popular as the 3DS, one of the reasons they decided to do the TV Vita thing. It really doesn't matter if the Vita's powerful, Sony just doesn't hold up, to handhelds, with Nintendo. PSP is a great example of this.
Besides, interestingly enough, Sony seems to be opening themselves up to newer types of gaming(especially on PS4), in particularly more "everybody" aimed games(less focus on JUST Teen-Adult games, more focus on all different age groups). The only one who seems reluctant to make that change is Microsoft.
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I have no problem with family friendly games with bright colors and cute characters. But I have a problem when those types of games make up 90% of a gaming library. That's what the problem with Nintendo is. They have over focused on family market and forgot who the people are today that grew up playing their consoles. I grew up with Nintendo, and I miss the days when you could buy a Nintendo system and feel like I was getting the cutting edge of gaming.
Nowadays their systems are weak and rely on gimmicks, and their games are focused on families with kids.
I'll say it again, vita blows 3ds away. If more people would buy it, they would realize that!
To each their own if the type of games offerered on the 3ds appeal to you.. But I found much slimmer pickings of games I actually wanted on the 3ds vs the vita. In fact, I would have to say that even my iphone offers better games than I could get on my 3ds and with superior graphics.
Castlevania belongs on vitan if it's going to be on a handheld.
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I have no problem with family friendly games with bright colors and cute characters. But I have a problem when those types of games make up 90% of a gaming library. That's what the problem with Nintendo is. They have over focused on family market and forgot who the people are today that grew up playing their consoles.
I don't think they've forgotten, they've just not been chasing the same market as Sony and Microsoft for this generation. Sony's PS2 greatly outsold the more powerful Gamecube, largely because the PS2's then-cheap DVD player appealed to casual and non-gamers. This seems to have shown Nintendo that the real money wasn't in appealing to "core" gamers.
Sure, Nintendo is suffering now because the casual audience has migrated to mobile phones and tablets, but remember that if you're going by console sales numbers the Wii "won" this gen easily. How did they do it? By appealing to a wider audience than the male 20-something core gamers (who as you say grew up with Nintendo) and dudebros that Sony and Microsoft went after with such gusto. Nintendo has been about the only source of bright colorful characters since the 7th generation started, and from the looks of things that's gonna be true for next-gen as well.
Remember Nintendo is the only pure games company in the race anymore, so games are more important to them than the others. The PS3 was obviously created as much or more as a strategic stab in the then-heated format war of HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray (the latter of which Sony had an investment in) just as the Xbone is obviously really about Microsoft trying to get a stranglehold on the streaming format. For these companies games and their quality are secondary. They want a chunk of that 20-30 something male demographic for their company in movies/TV first.
And after all while you can go on about specs and bits and bloops the important thing is the games. You may see a very pretty car in a lot but if it can't take you anywhere you want or need to go, why buy it? So enjoy what you like but don't begrudge companies for not marketing to your tastes specifically. Especially when 2 others are already doing that, life's far too short.
PS - Full disclosure, I haven't bought a new Nintendo system since the DS Lite (and the SNES before that), and the last system I bought new at all was a PS2.
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If games are truly more important to nintend than they are to sony or Microsoft then why don't they show it by offering a console that actually looks current? They just now released a console with HD. That is ridiculous.
Nintendo is too busy trying to cash in on kids with toy like games to make a serious console. So I have to strongly disagree with you ratty.
Sony offers plenty of kid friendly games like little big planet and more.
And this dudebro complaint doesn't make any sense to me. What makes a game dudebro? Violence and nudity? And you're making this complaint on a castlevania forum? That's a little ironic.
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If games are truly more important to nintend than they are to sony or Microsoft then why don't they show it by offering a console that actually looks current? They just now released a console with HD. That is ridiculous.
One 1. Using the older hardware/software makes the games themselves less expensive to produce. Leading, hopefully, to more time being spent on game design than technical tweaking thus leading to more fun high quality games. Though in practice this does lead to a lot of shovelware as well. Which is a problem Nintendo should address. 2. The older hardware is less expensive to make, so it's less expensive for consumers.
Nintendo is too busy trying to cash in on kids with toy like games to make a serious console. So I have to strongly disagree with you ratty.
"toy like games" we've all seen this right?
Game OverThinker v11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9joAb4XMaUs#)
I think he makes some good points personally. Though I think there is room for a separate market for adult oriented games, without appealing to the younger generations the cultural relevance (and perhaps eventually the "life") of video games as we know them could go the way of the radio sitcom. Consider this- is the market gonna shift away from nuanced controller based gameplay when a generation raised entirely on ipad gaming becomes the coveted 20s-30s demographic? Or will kids who grew up on that shovelware (where "Angry Birds" is the height of game design) even care enough to keep games alive?
Sony offers plenty of kid friendly games like little big planet and more.
I've heard in next gen they are planning to branch out and appeal to different audiences, which should be nice.
And this dudebro complaint doesn't make any sense to me. What makes a game dudebro? Violence and nudity? And you're making this complaint on a castlevania forum? That's a little ironic.
Your (stereo)typical dudebro is the kind of Madden/CoD obsessed Fratboy douche who'd say all of Ayami Kojima's artwork/characters were "gay" (not to be confused with yaoi fangirls, they would mean gay as a negative) but would probably think LoS was grizzled enough to pass inspection. In other words the same kind of guys EA and Activision use in all their focus groups.
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Even then, the typical dudebro probably wouldn't be able to grasp the story of LoS and think Gabriel is a stupid character because he isn't a carbon copy of Kratos.
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I gotta say this dudebro lable is kind of offensive.
I don't blame anyone who might be turned off by anime feminine looking male protagonists. Some people just aren't into that, and I don't blame them. I'm a fan of anime myself but I actually prefer the more realistic and grizzly look of LOS. And I also don't mind call of duty. But killzone is my shooter of choice. I have also owned a couple madden games. I guess this makes me a dudebro in yours eyes.
I think it's a little offensive to stereotype people just because they have a different opinion or taste. Taking it further and insulting someone's intelligence based on their preference in games takes that to another level. This "dudebro" crap irks the hell out of me.
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I gotta say this dudebro lable is kind of offensive.
I don't blame anyone who might be turned off by anime feminine looking male protagonists. Some people just aren't into that, and I don't blame them. I'm a fan of anime myself but I actually prefer the more realistic and grizzly look of LOS. And I also don't mind call of duty. But killzone is my shooter of choice. I have also owned a couple madden games. I guess this makes me a dudebro in yours eyes.
I think it's a little offensive to stereotype people just because they have a different opinion or taste. Taking it further and insulting someone's intelligence based on their preference in games takes that to another level. This "dudebro" crap irks the hell out of me.
You're putting words in my mouth, I never said everyone who plays/has played/enjoys Madden or Military shooters is a dudebro. But they are a demographic that is listened and marketed to to a scary degree, I guess Microsoft/EA/Activision/SpikeTV assume you can rely on them to spend money more than others. But I take it you've never had to share a living space with a dudebro. I have, this (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=285) comic illustrates the attitude pretty well. Well, that comic and lots of angry "my-girlfriend-left-me-proving-all-women-are-tramps" misogyny.
PS- To be fair the dudebro I had as a roomie didn't just play Halo, Guitar Hero and Madden (though that was 90% of it) he also played some WoW, said he used a female avatar so people would give him stuff for free. (Not that I'd even asked why he used a female avatar.) Thankfully I was able to move rooms after he left me a note threatening to quote "make my life hell" for turning off his water cooler.
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All stereotypes come from somewhere. ALL.
There IS a legit dudebro kind of people.
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All stereotypes come from somewhere. ALL.
There IS a legit dudebro kind of people.
Also, companies tend to target specific stereotypes/demographics with games. Saying stereotypes for the sake of it might be offensive, but that's who a lot of companies think of their customers too. It's easy to group people together by certain likes. It makes it easier to identify what they should try to aspire to and what target they should appease. With trend, it's the whole "flavor of the week" thing(though, LOL, because I'm so anti-trend, I always jest it's the "Flavor of the Weak"). I mean, I'm pretty sure when movies like Twilight got big, movie studios were snapping their fingers in board meetings and blurting out, "Okay, what kind of other teen novels can we adapt for the teenybopper audience?!". Individuality means little to these people. It's all about exploiting what's "in", pretending to be sincere about it, then ditching it like a hot potato when it stops being "in" and jump into the next big thing.
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Dudebro? Ah. This is getting nowhere fast.
The solution: just drop the idea. It is a stereotype, no matter how relevant it might feel.
But Jeffrey: remember that no stereotype can ever accurately describe a person. It can only leave a deformed image of what it is trying to depict. No one ever needs to take offense from it.
All the same, if you don't feel comfortable with it, it's up to us to leave it aside.
Now, for the rest, I stand by what I had said before: the quality of a game is entirely up to its developers. A platform is nothing more than the medium that hosts them.
And I don't see about the 2-screen, 3D-enhanced, touch-enabled handheld that makes inherently more accessible for a younger audience.
As for this ridiculous "toy game" debate, it doesn't have any reason to exist. Mario is just as "cutting-edge" as MW3. It's all a matter of taste, and you can't dismiss the other half of the board because it doesn't appeal to you.
And I don't want to hear the "90% kiddie game" argument. Nintendo's platforms hosted games from across the video game industry. You simply can't be that dismissive.
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We need gun more gunz to shoot stuff and our dudebro character will be hammer in a cod like vampire hunting fest with zombie co-op and all :P
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Dudebro? Ah. This is getting nowhere fast.
The solution: just drop the idea. It is a stereotype, no matter how relevant it might feel.
But Jeffrey: remember that no stereotype can accurately describe a person. It's a mass of misconceptions and preconceived ideas that can only leave a grotesquely deformed image of what it intends to depict. No one ever needs to take personal offense from it.
But, all the while; if you find it offensive, then it's up to us to leave it aside.
For the rest, I stand by what I had said before: the quality of a game is entirely up to its developers. A platform is nothing more than the medium that hosts them.
And I don't see about the 2-screen, 3D-enhanced, touch-enabled handheld that makes inherently more accessible for a younger audience.
As for this ridiculous "toy game" debate, it doesn't have any reason to exist. Mario is just as "cutting-edge" as MW3. It's all a matter of taste, and you can't dismiss the other half of the board because it doesn't appeal to you.
Yes, the dudebro thing is a dead end subject distracting us from the question at hand. While as I've said I lived with a guy who matched most of the criteria for the stereotype (and met his friends who did as well) it's true that no stereotype embodies the totality of a person, much less a people. But it's also true that corporations market to stereotypes and some people actively identify with them. For an example at the opposite end of the spectrum look at "Geek Culture". Many self-identified Nerds/Geeks insist, vocally or tacitly, that one needs to have been picked on and be male, white, straight and cisgendered to be a "real" Geek/Nerd. Can't think of much more that can be said on the subject of stereotypes in general or the dudebro stereotype in particular. At least anything that's even tangentially related to the original discussion of this thread.
While you could debate which is more "cutting edge" between 3D platformer #4567 and Military FPS #56,778 I think focusing on details like the minutia of system specs misses the point. Modern Chess is about five centuries old but people haven't abandoned it for Monopoly because that has more pieces. It's all a matter of preference.
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I'm only referring to my experience owning both handhelds. Nothing anyone has said can change the way the experience of each hand held was, at least for me.
I felt that the 3ds was aimed at younger teenagers and kids. I think it's a little funny to deny that Nintendo has a younger target market when it's so obvious that they do. I've got a valid complaint about Nintendo here.
I don't think any of us would mind spending more money on a nintend system to get the highest quality graphics and a better online service.
The way nintendo has been playing the field I would rather hey just pull a sega and stop making consoles.
I would way rather have Mario, Zelda and Metriodvania on my ps3/4.
A console is the medium between the player and the game and that is important. Nintendo blows at making a good medium these days.
Just go from simply holding a 3ds to a vita. The feel and comfort of a hand held is so important and nintendo doesn't get it.
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Kupomogli?
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I think it's a little funny to deny that Nintendo has a younger target market when it's so obvious that they do. I've got a valid complaint about Nintendo here.
> implying targeting the younger market is bad
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I think it's a little funny to deny that Nintendo has a younger target market when it's so obvious that they do. I've got a valid complaint about Nintendo here.
What are you complaining about? Nintendo isn't to blame for you getting old. :P
> implying targeting the younger market is bad
I think it's a valid strategy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that at least 65% of all people were young at some point in their lives.
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I'm giving up on this one. I've been trying to make the point that Nintendo should focus a little on people in my age group who grew up loving Nintendo. I would like to WANT to own a Nintendo system again. I thought a lot of you guys would see this the same way, but I guess not.
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I'm giving up on this one. I've been trying to make the point that Nintendo should focus a little on people in my age group who grew up loving Nintendo. I would like to WANT to own a Nintendo system again. I thought a lot of you guys would see this the same way, but I guess not.
I remember when there was a pro and con nintendo thread not too long ago. My problems were not the demographic but the lack of power the wii had and wii-u will have compared to ps4/xbone and lack of attention to other nintendo franchises I would love to have a reimagining of mach rider it would be awesome or a new startropics .
Also, Nintendo should make an HD remake of eternal darkness.
As for the vita vs 3ds topic vita still has nothing that interest me and no matter how many futures it has if it cannot interest me what can be done about it? For me it's software and since software is lacking in that department it just does not hold my attention (this happened to me with the wii and to a point the gcn as well).
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All I was saying in the first place was that I wish they would put Castlevania on vita instead of 3ds.
Personal taste of what existing games each hand held already offers aside, there is no question that the vita is a more powerful, more comfortable system. Playing Castlevania would be a better experience on the vita, as is playing anything.
I'm already wondering if Mirror of Fate HD will be on vita since it's coming to PS3. I'm going to give that game another try since I will at least be able to play it comfortably this time. I had a headache half the time I played it from the 3D. I'd try to keep it on because when I turned it off, I felt like I was missing out on something. Damn that was frustrating...
My biggest problem with that game was the floaty physics and the use of the analog stick over the D pad, and I doubt that has changed.. But oh well, I'll probably play through it this time just so I have the full story before LOS2 comes out.
I hope that IGA announces that his next Castlevania will be on vita so I can laugh at all of you. :P
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All I was saying in the first place was that I wish they would put Castlevania on vita instead of 3ds.
Personal taste of what existing games each hand held already offers aside, there is no question that the vita is a more powerful, more comfortable system. Playing Castlevania would be a better experience on the vita, as is playing anything.
I'm already wondering if Mirror of Fate HD will be on vita since it's coming to PS3. I'm going to give that game another try since I will at least be able to play it comfortably this time. I had a headache half the time I played it from the 3D. I'd try to keep it on because when I turned it off, I felt like I was missing out on something. Damn that was frustrating...
My biggest problem with that game was the floaty physics and the use of the analog stick over the D pad, and I doubt that has changed.. But oh well, I'll probably play through it this time just so I have the full story before LOS2 comes out.
I hope that IGA announces that his next Castlevania will be on vita so I can laugh at all of you. :P
Laugh... Laugh I say :P There was one on the psp so one on the vita is possible but ehh whatever. But still I would really have to get into the vita to see if it really is as comfortable as you say it is. I've held the vita but not for long. It was for a couple of seconds but those analogue sticks did annoy me, it's way to small.
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The analog sticks are really nice once you get used to them. Playing Killzone Mercenary is a joy with them. They make covers that you can put over them that make them larger and more like a home console control's analog stick. But within a few hours of playing my first game on the vita, I quickly got a feel for the sticks, and started to love them.
You know what the nice thing about the vita is too? Being able to talk about it's analog STICKS.
Yeah that's right, I'm looking at you 3DS with your analog STICK.
Nintendo will give us 2 screens, but not two analog sticks. This is another example of Nintendo deliberately staying a step behind in the basics. >:(
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Uhm guys... Just a reminder, this is getting heated and going way out of topic.
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I'm giving up on this one. I've been trying to make the point that Nintendo should focus a little on people in my age group who grew up loving Nintendo. I would like to WANT to own a Nintendo system again. I thought a lot of you guys would see this the same way, but I guess not.
But they did:
Wii Fat - The sequel to Wii Fit ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvkMh5SXP2s#)
Nintendo will give us 2 screens, but not two analog sticks. This is another example of Nintendo deliberately staying a step behind in the basics. >:(
Sure, if you forget that Nintendo DID the basics :P
Please. if anyone here really wants to follow with this 3ds vs vita, lets use a related thread or create a new one, what do you think, everyone?
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Please do it Lely, or else I or another mod would have to do a massive thread split and transfer.
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Okay, anyone that wants to continue with this 3DS vs Vita thing, there is the right place for it:
http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6727.0.html (http://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php/topic,6727.0.html)
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So anyway, guys, how about that Europe writing Castlevania?
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Have to see what they do post LoS first to judge. LoS is ONE example, and lets be honest, it could have been worse. All things considered, it was a pretty unique take on the mythos. Now we have to see what other EU studios do after that's all done and they get their shot. Will we get more reboots/unique interpretations? maybe we'll actually get that next gen CV1 remake Cox originally wanted to do? Maybe a new installment in the classic timeline? (I can picture something going in early between LoI and CV3) maybe an Alucard game. Lord knows that would be an easy way to please fans and make money. People would gobble that shit up.
I'm not crying doom or anything, because we really only have MS to judge, and since Konami EU, like most overseas branches of a gaming company, probably doesn't have an in-house development staff, we will see them take on a publisher/producer role in their CV games while the actual product will be made by other devs.
Which again, could probably make for some really interesting variety.
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It really is completely up in the air at this point, assuming that, like Flame said, Konami Europe probably doesn't have an internal development department.
It's actually kind of exciting, I think, not knowing what to expect next. I mean, I loved the LoS trilogy, being that one guy that actually liked MoF, but I'm excited to see what comes next. Perhaps a new interpretation of the series, or a return to an older style by a different developer with their own unique flavor. There are really a lot of possibilities and a lot of directions for the series to grow and experiment in.
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The series is now under jurisdiction of Konami Europe (not even Japan now)
but but but what about Mirror of Fate? IT SUCKED. I mean seriously, what the funk??
Ok, I'm out. Screw two of the main Japanese developers I depended on for stimulating and atmospheric games (Capcom and Konami). I am developing weird hand cramps from inputting too many shoryukens while playing online fighters, the combo legnth in most fighters is ridiculous as a Final Fantasy summon spell, and if you die once in Capcom's only competitive online first person shooter (Resident Evil 6) you have to wait 5-10 minutes to play again. As for Konami, the only franchise of theirs I care about is being infused with ugly and disgusting western aesthetics.
So what are my options, force feed myself western games? funk no. I'm out
Future games hold some promise if they utilize this:
http://kotaku.com/sounds-like-sony-is-working-on-a-vr-gaming-headset-1244584746 (http://kotaku.com/sounds-like-sony-is-working-on-a-vr-gaming-headset-1244584746)
this:
http://www.virtuix.com/about/ (http://www.virtuix.com/about/)
and this:
http://kotaku.com/here-s-the-technology-that-might-save-motion-control-ga-1390724309 (http://kotaku.com/here-s-the-technology-that-might-save-motion-control-ga-1390724309)
but come on, what about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health)
so yeah, I'm out. Guess it is time to develop some of the skills I have been procrastinating on such as singing, dancing, archery etc.
one more thing before I go: No matter how disenchanting this existence seems at times just remember that consciousness has the ability to care for other minds. alright, goodbye for now my family
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but come on, what about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health)
so yeah, I'm out. Guess it is time to develop some of the skills I have been procrastinating on such as singing, dancing, archery etc.
You know that cellphones also emit radiation directlys to your head right?
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So anyway, guys, how about that Europe writing Castlevania?
I don't think the problem is Europe writing Castlevania. Europe's responsible for some great horror, novels and movies alike. Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu, John William Polidori, Hammer horror, Mario Bava, Dario Argento(in his early up to the 80s era of movies), among others. Though, I personally wouldn't mind them aiming for THOSE types of horror in atmosphere, whenever the next one is announced.
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but but but what about Mirror of Fate? IT SUCKED. I mean seriously, what the funk??
Ok, I'm out. Screw two of the main Japanese developers I depended on for stimulating and atmospheric games (Capcom and Konami). I am developing weird hand cramps from inputting too many shoryukens while playing online fighters, the combo legnth in most fighters is ridiculous as a Final Fantasy summon spell, and if you die once in Capcom's only competitive online first person shooter (Resident Evil 6) you have to wait 5-10 minutes to play again. As for Konami, the only franchise of theirs I care about is being infused with ugly and disgusting western aesthetics.
So what are my options, force feed myself western games? funk no. I'm out
Future games hold some promise if they utilize this:
http://kotaku.com/sounds-like-sony-is-working-on-a-vr-gaming-headset-1244584746 (http://kotaku.com/sounds-like-sony-is-working-on-a-vr-gaming-headset-1244584746)
this:
http://www.virtuix.com/about/ (http://www.virtuix.com/about/)
and this:
http://kotaku.com/here-s-the-technology-that-might-save-motion-control-ga-1390724309 (http://kotaku.com/here-s-the-technology-that-might-save-motion-control-ga-1390724309)
but come on, what about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health)
so yeah, I'm out. Guess it is time to develop some of the skills I have been procrastinating on such as singing, dancing, archery etc.
one more thing before I go: No matter how disenchanting this existence seems at times just remember that consciousness has the ability to care for other minds. alright, goodbye for now my family
Jesus, all this overreaction... get the hell over it. You haven't even seen what their next CV project is... The ONLY thing we have to judge CV Europe on is LoS, and it's not even in-house. Meaning, CV Europe will always be developed by someone else. And we already know MS and Cox are done with CV after LoS.
People, stop being such drama queens when we know NOTHING about Castlevania's direction from here.
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That's what I've been saying all along.
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People, stop being such drama queens when we know NOTHING about Castlevania's direction from here.
I have to agree. Nothing's been done yet. We can always have the panic attack if and when the next CV fails to meet our preferences.
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For all we know LoS could be the end of this series, which is fine with me if Mercury Steam is the best development team Konami can find.
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Thanks to Tora Shiro, a Konami empoyee on Neogaf, we finally have confirmation that Koji Igarashi ended his role as series producer. The series is now under jurisdiction of Konami Europe (not even Japan now)
He also suggested that he was /demoted/ to a window (e.g. burocratic) job after being suggested for IGA to go the inafune route
You all know I'm happy by these news as I personally consider IGA to be in permanent creative stagnation since... ever
The most interesting this is, will MS let go the franchise? will it continue in Europe? Is the rumor about Climax Studios true?
:D
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Just throwing it out there but it's been confirmed that Climax Studios is working on two next gen projects. One being a Prince of Persia style platformer and a horror game.
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I don't think the problem is Europe writing Castlevania. Europe's responsible for some great horror, novels and movies alike. Bram Stoker, Mary Shelley, Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu, John William Polidori, Hammer horror, Mario Bava, Dario Argento(in his early up to the 80s era of movies), among others. Though, I personally wouldn't mind them aiming for THOSE types of horror in atmosphere, whenever the next one is announced.
And, you know, Europe did Dracula.
Just saying.
Jesus, all this overreaction... get the hell over it. You haven't even seen what their next CV project is... The ONLY thing we have to judge CV Europe on is LoS, and it's not even in-house. Meaning, CV Europe will always be developed by someone else. And we already know MS and Cox are done with CV after LoS.
People, stop being such drama queens when we know NOTHING about Castlevania's direction from here.
Yes; at this point, we're trying too hard to look ahead. If the thought of a new CV already has us proclaiming the death of the series, imagine what will happen when the game is actually released. We don't know what will happen yet; until we have more to work with, we should consider holding back, at least for the time being.
For all we know LoS could be the end of this series, which is fine with me if Mercury Steam is the best development team Konami can find.
Now, I wouldn't go that far. I'd prefer to suffer another failed CV than to see the series end.
:D
And... what does that mean?
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Just throwing it out there but it's been confirmed that Climax Studios is working on two next gen projects. One being a Prince of Persia style platformer and a horror game.
The PoP one was canelled (As it's being developed internally at Ubisoft)
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The PoP one was canelled (As it's being developed internally at Ubisoft)
PoP style platformer not PoP itself. Plus that game was developed under Ubisoft internally and was called Osiris.
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PoP style platformer not PoP itself. Plus that game was developed under Ubisoft internally and was called Osiris.
But Climax WAS making a PoP.
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Yes; at this point, we're trying too hard to look ahead. If the thought of a new CV already has us proclaiming the death of the series, imagine what will happen when the game is actually released.
I would fear for some people's health. They might just die.
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What is this "Europe could/n't write Castlevania" crap? The original comment was rather facetious and here people are treating it seriously. A continent of origin doesn't account for talent.
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And, you know, Europe did Dracula.
Just saying.
... Bram Stoker, ...
Unless you mean, well, the man, Vlad III. :)
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Bram Stoker
Then came Dacre Stoker. let's not brush him under the rug. He was the PoR to Bram's Bloodlines. The DoS to Bram's Aria.
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Then came Dacre Stoker. let's not brush him under the rug. He was the PoR to Bram's Bloodlines. The DoS to Bram's Aria.
It was a point I made earlier in the thread. Just because they are Europeans also doesn't mean they are infallible. There's a reason I noted early career to 1980s Dario Argento:
Dracula 3D - Red Band Trailer [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr393AatWjc#)
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Also, while Europe making good horror is a legit thing, that was mostly classic Europe. Like, 19'th century Europe for the most part, unless I'm talking out of my ass. (which is likely)
I know nothing about modern European Horror outside of that one Russian I think? Movie about the reporter who disguises himself as a priest and has to spend three nights in an abandoned church to purify some dead evilchick or something. Shit was neat.
yeah, "Vedma" is the bame. AKA "The Power of Fear".
nice visuals.
here's a clip, set to Nox Arcana's music. (A neat gothic music band that you should listen to if you like Castlevania)
Nox Arcana - Vampire Exorcism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3zLExMIzE#ws)
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Just throwing it out there but it's been confirmed that Climax Studios is working on two next gen projects. One being a Prince of Persia style platformer and a horror game.
I saw screens of the horror game, and it's definitely not Castlevania, in case you were implying that. :P
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Also, while Europe making good horror is a legit thing, that was mostly classic Europe. Like, 19'th century Europe for the most part, unless I'm talking out of my ass. (which is likely)
I know nothing about modern European Horror outside of that one Russian I think? Movie about the reporter who disguises himself as a priest and has to spend three nights in an abandoned church to purify some dead evilchick or something. Shit was neat.
yeah, "Vedma" is the bame. AKA "The Power of Fear".
nice visuals.
here's a clip, set to Nox Arcana's music. (A neat gothic music band that you should listen to if you like Castlevania)
Nox Arcana - Vampire Exorcism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3zLExMIzE#ws)
Can't say much about modern literature. The only thing I'm aware to come out of Europe that had some sort of international praise is the Harry Potter books. As for movies(horror), they are hit or miss. New Hammer(yeah, they've came back) isn't as good as old Hammer. Some Spanish films, like The Orphanage were pretty good. Others are really polarizing(either you find some really original and experimental, or you just find them pretentious arty shit). Personally, I do inch more towards the classic European horror(hell, even the original Hammer films of the 50s and 60s, and some of the 70s).
I said it before, but there's a kind of atmosphere those movies, even the literature(the classic ones) have that I personally find fitting for the CV series. One of the reasons I want a Victorian-set CV(I've been rallying for 3D CV set during this time) is to force this kind of atmosphere on the series by default(a lot of the horror stories are set in the 1800s and make good use of that era's moody atmophere and style). Something more soaked in horrific mood, eerie and forboding atmosphere. Again, I'm pretty biased regarding horror, in particularly horror movies. I'd love to see Dracula be Dracula again, not some guy named Mathias or Gabriel who becomes Dracula, but Dracula(who was always Dracula, then became a vampire but remained Dracula). I also said this(in another thread), the whole half-assed means of misdirection was really poor in both LoI and LoS. Imagine if the series gets rebooted and it's another origin of Dracula, but they get some other guy named, let's say, Carl Von Gustaf", and try again with the sleight of hand, only to eventually reveal, "Blah, he's DRACULA!!!". It's one of the occassions that, now, just bypass the bullshit and make the character named Dracula(as a human, or Vlad), then he becomes a vampire and he's still Dracula.
BTW, I still wanna see an origin that has some base on Stoker's Dracula, with the whole Scholomance thing aluded to(Dracula basically becomes the pupil of the Devil, who teaches him the dark artes and demonic rites).
I love Nox Arcana, as well as Midnight Syndicate! Always break out the tunes during this time of year in particular. Very great music for Halloween!!!
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Unless you mean, well, the man, Vlad III. :)
Sorry, hadn't seen Stoker on the list.
The point is the same, though: without Europe, no Castlevania.
It was a point I made earlier in the thread. Just because they are Europeans also doesn't mean they are infallible. There's a reason I noted early career to 1980s Dario Argento:
Dracula 3D - Red Band Trailer [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr393AatWjc#)
Ah, yes. You could even say there was something... amateurish about that movie.
here's a clip, set to Nox Arcana's music. (A neat gothic music band that you should listen to if you like Castlevania)
The music is very interesting. The clip, more predictable.
But 'Nox Arcana'? I'll have to look into that band in the future.
Can't say much about modern literature. The only thing I'm aware to come out of Europe that had some sort of international praise is the Harry Potter books. As for movies(horror), they are hit or miss. New Hammer(yeah, they've came back) isn't as good as old Hammer. Some Spanish films, like The Orphanage were pretty good. Others are really polarizing(either you find some really original and experimental, or you just find them pretentious arty shit). Personally, I do inch more towards the classic European horror(hell, even the original Hammer films of the 50s and 60s, and some of the 70s).
Horror isn't interesting anywhere nowadays; it isn't only Europe. And, after all, there's only so much novelty you can infuse into 'classic' horror. As for the recent chain of "free-for-all" horror movies, they offer precious little in the way of true entertainment. There's a limit to the amount of mass-produced gore you can take in before the whole experience glazes over.
For the moment, the movies that still remain interesting are usually the more subtly disturbing ones, the ones that prefer a more muted psychological effect to your stereotypical knife-plunged-in-heart horror.
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the ones that prefer a more muted psychological effect to your stereotypical knife-plunged-in-heart horror.
They call these flicks 'Slashers'. I don't really consider them horror, but more of a film that leaves a "bloody mess" in your mind rather then a spine-chilling thriller that you get from traditional horror.
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They call these flicks 'Slashers'. I don't really consider them horror, but more of a film that leaves a "bloody mess" in your mind rather then a spine-chilling thriller that you get from traditional horror.
Slashers are generally exploitation horror. They are not horror in the traditional sense, but in that they exploit gore and blood and violence to get a reaction from the crowd
The music is very interesting. The clip, more predictable.
But 'Nox Arcana'? I'll have to look into that band in the future.
they did a whole album titled Transylvania
Nox Arcana. Transylvania 1 - Transylvanian Overture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5e-wzqWJ00#)
neat shit. they like to tell a story with their music, so every track is basically, like, a different stage or part of the musical story.
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...Something more soaked in horrific mood, eerie and forboding atmosphere. Again, I'm pretty biased regarding horror, in particularly horror movies. I'd love to see Dracula be Dracula again, not some guy named Mathias or Gabriel who becomes Dracula, but Dracula
Got to agree mate. I'd love to see a traditional Castlevania in the sense of just letting the characters keep whatever mystique they have. They don't need to be complex. They can work well off one another (e.g. Belmont, Death, Dracula, Alucard, whomever) without some convoluted or contrived background. Hammer did this really well in their movies--the characters were often one-dimensional, offering little dialogue, but they worked well off another in those marvellous settings and castle/countryside habitat. Simple stories, but powerful imagery and over-arching themes.
As much as I liked Lords--and I do think Gabriel is a terrific (and complex) character--I did not like its exhaustive narrative, its 'twist', or those shoe-horned-in Castlevania references. I did not appreciate Lament's story either.
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Slashers are generally exploitation horror. They are not horror in the traditional sense, but in that they exploit gore and blood and violence to get a reaction from the crowd
I consider then horror. Horror is great and varied, and while I love horror, I don't love every single movie. There's quite a few I get irked from.
they did a whole album titled Transylvania
Nox Arcana. Transylvania 1 - Transylvanian Overture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5e-wzqWJ00#)
neat shit. they like to tell a story with their music, so every track is basically, like, a different stage or part of the musical story.
I have that album on my iPod! Love it!!! While I recommend all their albums, the one that has the closest feel to Transylvania is Darklore Manor. Nice and spooky sounding tunes!
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There's nothing to consider, they ARE Horror. Just a different type.
Which is not my type. I really don't have the heart for exploitation horror, or modern Horror in general.
Give me Vincent Price, an Edgar Allan Poe piece, an old Universal flick, or hell, a thriller horror flick, like Woman In Black. but I don't like shit like Freddy or Jason or Chucky, or any of the modern day exploitation horror films. I just can't stomach them.
(Speaking of Woman In Black, that shit was real good. great atmosphere, and some of the scares, although sort of cheap jumpscares, were well played)
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They call these flicks 'Slashers'. I don't really consider them horror, but more of a film that leaves a "bloody mess" in your mind rather then a spine-chilling thriller that you get from traditional horror.
There are many slasher flicks which have heavy mood and horror beyond "stabby stab-stab." Many of these are gialli (Italian murder mysteries) and what you could call "proto-slasher," but they bear much in resemblance to the recognized slasher/bodycount genre.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Opera (and all of Argento's '70s/'80s gialli)
Psycho
Halloween
Seven
Black Christmas
Candyman
Intruder
A Lizard in a Woman's Skin
What Have You Done to Solange?
The Girl Who Knew Too Much
Those are a few of the more chilling slasher-type movies.
To call slashers "not horror" is erroneous; horror doesn't have set characteristics—bullet points that need to be hit in order for it to count. Exploitation movies are just as much horror as Hammer.
And there are plenty of good horror movies coming out if you know where to look.
Signed,
The resident horror movie fanatic
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There's nothing to consider, they ARE Horror. Just a different type.
Which is not my type. I really don't have the heart for exploitation horror, or modern Horror in general.
Give me Vincent Price, an Edgar Allan Poe piece, an old Universal flick, or hell, a thriller horror flick, like Woman In Black. but I don't like shit like Freddy or Jason or Chucky, or any of the modern day exploitation horror films. I just can't stomach them.
(Speaking of Woman In Black, that shit was real good. great atmosphere, and some of the scares, although sort of cheap jumpscares, were well played)
There are a lot of slashers I like. I like the A Nightmare on Elm Street series a lot, if anything, the ones that Wes Craven had more of part of(NOES1, NOES3 and New Nightmare), and love the slicing between dream and reality, and how dreams can feel bizarre and natural at the same time(and how you don't immediately realize you are in a dream, even though illogical occurences happen before you). Hell, I think dream horror in general is an untapped genre. There are so many cool possiblities you can do with the subconscious and hidden demons, being at the will of your own mind and creating your own monsters. Dreamscape did a little of that, and there's been scarce few to try.
I love John Carpenter's non-Halloween work(particularly Prince of Darkness, The Thing, In the Mouth of Madness, though not really horror, I love Big Trouble in Little China, which almost feels like it could be a BEU video game movie). I love the works of David Cronenberg(Scanners, The Fly reboot, Videodrome, The Brood,...) and "body horror". Even horror comedies like Fright Night(well, horror with comedic qualities), Return of the Living Dead, Night of the Creeps, and Monster Squad(I always though Dracula was badass in that one). My taste seems to vary from the old horror to the 80s(mainly). There's some other movies I like scattered throughout the 90s and 00s(even a few now), but I haven't found that many good ones lately(compared to older ones). Even the more schlockfest cheesy b-movies of the 50s-80s have more heart than the same caliber films of today. SyFy original movies just don't do it for me. It almost feels like modern b-movies just miss the point and charm completely.
Talking about good atmosphere and bringing up Woman in Black(the original, which I think is superior to the Daniel Radcliffe remake), I think the movie The Changling(1980) has some damn fine atmosphere and tension. Doesn't hurt that it also stars the awesome George C. Scott!
The Changeling (1980) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaPLQidZub4#)
There are many slasher flicks which have heavy mood and horror beyond "stabby stab-stab." Many of these are gialli (Italian murder mysteries) and what you could call "proto-slasher," but they bear much in resemblance to the recognized slasher/bodycount genre.
Not to mention Phenomena, which inspired the Clock Tower series. Horror and horror video games tend to go hand in hand. Clock Tower was inspired by Dario Argento's Phenomena:
Remembering: Phenomena (1985) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwhNfvS3Aq4#)
Splatterhouse was inspired by Evil Dead, Deadly Spawn, Poltergeist and Lovecraftian creations. Castlevania was inspired by classic Universal(and Hammer) horror, and as I said elsewhere, probably even continued to be inspired by horror movies up until OoE, as Leatherface was obviously nodded to:
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Interestingly enough, it's based off the original Leatherface(not the reboot one):
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I love when it's obvious in a video game that the designers had big boners for horror movies, whatever the era, and put in whatever references they can. Another game along those lines is Blood. Heck, the very first spoken line is "I live...again!" from Army of Darkness.
Blood - Easter Eggs Collection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQAZJndo8RE#)
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Yeah, that's awesome! The Blood references remind me of the references in the reboot of Splatterhouse. You could find Freddy Krueger's dismembered lims and sweater in a bin near a boiler room(I think) in the West Mansion. In the Meat Factory, I'm pretty sure it's the area you first see Biggy Man, you see Ash's(ED/AoD) body on the floor.
Another great game that references horror and sci-fi is Zombies Ate My Neighbors. It's a game I would geek out to back when I was younger!
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Interesting discussion going on here, but the thread has already been derailed quite a bit. So if you guys want to continue talking about this subject, please make a seperate topic about it.
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I remember reading that quote on GAF, pretty sad indeed. :'( Honestly as a kid born in the 90s, IGA + Yamane + Kojima are Castlevania for me (my first CVs were the GBA ones to give you an idea). Classicvania has its merits but everything that I adore from these series is the post-SotN elements.
I don't hold any grudges against Dave Cox or MercurySteam. They have taken the series to new heights and they're in the business of making money, not pleasing fans. However, what pisses me off is Konami's handling of the IP. If IGA was bad at making 3D Castlevanias but good at the 2D sidescrolling ones. Then why don't they give the 3D entries to the new devs while keeping IGA making DS/3DS games?! >:(
Mirror of Fate was received very poorly, as the combat from the LoS series doesn't translate well to 2D. In an ideal scenario, MercurySteam would've handled the 3D entries from now on while leaving the 3D games to IGA. But since this is Konami we're talking about, when LoS 2 doesn't meet their ridiculous and out-of-touch financial forecasts. They're gonna give the IP to the lowest bidder and Castlevania will end up just like Silent Hill. :'(
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I don't hold any grudges against Dave Cox or MercurySteam. They have taken the series to new heights and they're in the business of making money, not pleasing fans.
Felt to me like it was more Cox and MS were the fans, and they were pleasing their own fancies. (the SCIV references, the various CV mythology nods thrown in throughout)
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I think handing the series to Europe or NA is a good move considering those are the areas of the world where the series is best received. Things may change, but what good series is without changes? We've seen what happened to Mega Man.
The thing that made the series interesting was that several different people helmed it back in the day. IGA was probably the longest running producer in series history, but having one guy make all the calls for 10+ years is part of why the series got into a rut. Not that I didn't enjoy some of IGA's games, but I was glad to see him not be involved to a certain degree.
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I hope that this doesn't mean that the original Castlevania timeline is gone for good. :'(
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I hope that this doesn't mean that the original Castlevania timeline is gone for good. :'(
Whatever happens, we shall always have the memories.
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I hope that this doesn't mean that the original Castlevania timeline is gone for good. :'(
Rest well knowing that whatever you had in your mind is better than what we would have gotten.
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Whatever happens, we shall always have the memories.
And emulators :P
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For the first time since...ever... I'm ok with putting Castlevania to sleep forever. It's been a great run and I'll never forget this franchise, but I feel like it probably has no business is modern gaming. Dunno... I am somewhat excited for LoS2, but I wouldn't cry if Konami decided to pull a Megaman on us after that. I won't complain.
Here's a toast to letting go, and allowing new things to happen! :D Goodnight Castlevania. You were awesome.
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Aaaah! First IGA, then the timeline, and now the series! Is being defeatist the new autumn fashion?
Has there been anything to suggest that the original timeline might disappear? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the LoS timeline was clearly marked as alternative, and Cox announced its end along with MS's departure. It's extraordinarily premature to prophesize the end of the classic continuity while we know precious little about what will happen next.
And since when was the franchise ending? Where on earth is this "putting Castlevania to sleep" idea coming from?
No business in modern gaming? You're saying this now?
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There is absolutely no reason to believe castlevania is going away. It may be changing, but it will survive, rest assured.
If the official titles are not appealing to you, then look to the fan games until konami releases a new cv that interests you.
Like a vampire, castlevania will survive through the ages.
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Odallus: The Dark Call comes out next March, and it's a 2D Metroidvania that is heavily inspired by Castlevania. I contributed to their Indiegogo campaign and have beta access. They've released the first level to those who contributed, and the first stage is basically one huge homage to Dracula X's first stage. Also it's really good on its own terms.
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I don't even know if I want a 1999 game any more. As of right now, IGA's timeline (And I say IGA's because he is the one who fashioned it's current incarnation) is such a distant thought I personally might even be disappointed if the next game just resorted to going back to it.
I like new Castlevania. Not just this new Castlevania, but the idea of new Castlevania, treading new ground with a familiar theme. A changing series, rather than a stagnant one. We've already gotten enough of that.
I'm also just enjoying MoF:HD right now, so that probably has something to do with it.
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For the longest time I debated against the fact that the original release of LOS (without extra chapters) was a bad design choice. We have never played an unfinished tale before. I waited. Then I thought over the past games we've danced with IGA & Friends, I have to be honest, they actually had solid releases, and completed games for us to indulge in. I never felt like something was missing, you were always rewarded for going that extra mile, or challenging yourself to see how far you could go.
Looking at the new chapter of the series, retconning everything entirely, I think I am going to give it a chance. I just put my pre-order down for LOS:CE. I await to see what I have missed.
Knowing now that IGA & co won't be working on another CV related title for awhile. It does have merits, they delivered adventures, and great music. Curious where things will go from now on. *Oh, and I might put some down for LOS2, I think I've been bitten all over again.
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Odallus: The Dark Call comes out next March, and it's a 2D Metroidvania that is heavily inspired by Castlevania. I contributed to their Indiegogo campaign and have beta access. They've released the first level to those who contributed, and the first stage is basically one huge homage to Dracula X's first stage. Also it's really good on its own terms.
Whoah, I had no idea about this Odallus game. Thank you :)