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Off Topic => Off Topic => Topic started by: VladCT on November 10, 2013, 12:54:13 AM
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Don't you think they're starting to get a little overboard with this, what with them basically forcing users to use their Google+ account just to comment?
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I think it's a bloody mess with how they've tried to merge everything.
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Very much a "curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal" moment. Seen this coming for years, google wants some of that sweet, sweet facebook money. Turning the comments into a google+ pissing match (they're ranked by how many "followers" you have on google+ now, as I understand) is just the latest in a long string of things they've been doing to make youtube garbage. Can't preload entire videos, stuttering and autochanging (or never changing) resolution, ads everywhere*. I wish another, better video site would come along and dethrone youtube but I don't think google would allow it.
*I don't see the ads because I use ad blocker, but I know it's only a matter of time until google finds a way around this.
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I was pissed off by that too. I like to troll and write stupid jokes on the youtube comments, but the last year Google was constantly asking me "do you wish to use your g-mail name on youtube?"
No, I don't, google. The only reason I enjoy youtube is because I can view and comment on videos anonymously. I don't want my friends to know about every stupid comment I post there! >:(
Lucky I don't even use Google+.
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I didn't even have a G-Mail account and it was asking me to change my name. It didn't even count as an ad for AdBlock. (And then Firefox goes and makes shitty ass changes forcing AdBlock upgrades. I wonder if Firefox is owned by Google now or some shit. I wouldn't put it past those greedy bastards.)
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The reason for it is simple. You'll think twice about posting rotten comments if they're tied to, and archived on, a public personal account.
As you can tell by their in-page explanations of the change (if you read them), they want to promote more meaningful discussion on Youtube. But since this is the internet I'm not sure anyone will really care.
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If that's the case then I believe they're going at this the wrong way. It's not like you can't create fake accounts anyway.
Anyway, with the way they're pushing this they're just making people who don't give two shits about G+ hate it, and those who already hate it even moreso. Imagine a game you don't care about, and someone pesters you in hopes of making you play it. More often than not you'll end up socking that guy in the face.
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The reason for it is simple. You'll think twice about posting rotten comments if they're tied to, and archived on, a public personal account.
As you can tell by their in-page explanations of the change (if you read them), they want to promote more meaningful discussion on Youtube. But since this is the internet I'm not sure anyone will really care.
Hah! It might be a reason, but it's certainly not the only one.
Google wants a nice, clean, and well-organized system in which they'll know exactly who we are, what we look like, what we search for, what we watch, what we enjoy, whom we share with, and how often and from where we interact. Once all is said and done, Google will be facing a monumental heap of collective data that more than one organization will envy. And the best thing is: we'll be making it possible for them.
So behind Google's self-proclaimed obsession for a "better world", there's a much more pragmatic view of things. Let's just say that they've done quite well in mastering the art of making a situation... profitable.
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The reason for it is simple. You'll think twice about posting rotten comments if they're tied to, and archived on, a public personal account.
As you can tell by their in-page explanations of the change (if you read them), they want to promote more meaningful discussion on Youtube. But since this is the internet I'm not sure anyone will really care.
If they really wanted to "promote meaningful discussion" they wouldn't have hidden the youtube inbox in a submenu, and then made it difficult to impossible to reply with that. This is a stunt to promote google+ as their pet facebook money machine, nothing more. I could understand if it put comments by your friends or people you follow at the top. But using "who has the most followers/friends" as an arbitrary way to "promote meaningful discussion" is laughable. How often do you see someone with hundreds of "facebook friends" who has anything meaningful, or even interesting, to say? Same thing. Google knows the legions of people who've posted "Thumbs up if..." and "X amount of people are stupid for downvoting this video hurhur" comments for years will pester everyone they know into using google+ so their comments will be closer to the top.
Hah! It might be a reason, but it's certainly not the only one.
Google wants a nice, clean, and well-organized system in which they'll know exactly who we are, what we look like, what we search for, what we watch, what we enjoy, whom we share with, and how often and from where we interact. Once all is said and done, Google will be facing a monumental heap of collective data that more than one organization will envy. And the best thing is: we'll be making it possible for them.
So behind Google's self-proclaimed obsession for a "better world", there's a much more pragmatic view of things. Let's just say that they've done quite well in mastering the art of making a situation... profitable.
Yep. Google trades in advertising and information, all our information, same as facebook only bigger. Eventually we'll probably be forced to use our real names on all public forums, perhaps more. Nothin' for it really.
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I have Google+.
However, I never ever ever use it. Some of my friends have it but I really don't see the point.
I'm on Facebook all the time and, while I don't like it too much, it is convenient to see and reach out to many people I know with it.
For the last year or so, I've had occasional "Do you want to use your real name?" on Youtube when I'd log on. I'd always say "No" and then they're like "Ok, we'll ask you again later!". NO FUCKER, DON'T ASK ME AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO TIE MY ACCOUNTS TOGETHER YOU SONOFABITCH, if I wanted to tie them, I would've done so already.
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The update has also made the comments hard to read. Why can I upvote/downvote some but others I can't? This whole thing seems like a mess.
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I didn't say promoting G+ wasn't part of the deal. It's a really nice bonus to the whole package.
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For the last year or so, I've had occasional "Do you want to use your real name?" on Youtube when I'd log on. I'd always say "No" and then they're like "Ok, we'll ask you again later!". NO FUCKER, DON'T ASK ME AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO TIE MY ACCOUNTS TOGETHER YOU SONOFABITCH, if I wanted to tie them, I would've done so already.
Also, Facebook is doing it to me all the time, asking me continuously to write where I work and where I study.
"Michael, your profile is only 50% complete." No, my profile is 100% complete. My work and education is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS.
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They want to go big brother on everyone. :(
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The reason for it is simple. You'll think twice about posting rotten comments if they're tied to, and archived on, a public personal account.
As you can tell by their in-page explanations of the change (if you read them), they want to promote more meaningful discussion on Youtube. But since this is the internet I'm not sure anyone will really care.
Kinda backfired considering you can now post ASCII dick art and hotlinks to any site (including ones with malware).
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I didn't say promoting G+ wasn't part of the deal. It's a really nice bonus to the whole package.
"nice bonus"? I guess if you believe a soulless corporation has all our best interests in mind. The total loss of any kind of privacy will have a few benefits, but not many compared to what we're going to lose. But like I said, there's nothing for it. Privacy is already mostly an illusion anyway.
Aside from all of those concerns well... I know social networking sites are great for keeping in touch etc. but I just hate using them. For one I don't want people I've never talked to to know so much about me, even if it's all just stuff I'd tell you no problem if you asked. It puts me at a disadvantage in a conversation. And I know random people on facebook don't really care what my political beliefs or favorite movies/games/tv shows are, advertising agencies looking at stats for my age group sure do though! As do potential employers "Hm this one has different religious/political beliefs than me? Welp, here's another resume/application for the trash pile."
More importantly, I can't stand endless streams of people's pictures of what they had for dinner, half-baked political/religious rants or vacation photos from friends/family I feel obligated to "friend". And then being considered rude if I don't feign interest in all of it. Basically all the stuff in this song applies to facebook, and will apply to goolge+ only more so.
"Weird Al" Yankovic - Stop Forwarding That Crap To Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSA7kKNu2Y#ws)
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Yeah, I'm not sure the real identity is a good thing either. Sure, as uzo says, it might cut down on some of the crap, but remember that anonymity is important to well-intentioned people too. Just off the top of my head, what if you work for a very politically involved boss and want to criticize a candidate he likes or praise a candidate he opposes? Without anonymity, if he sees a comment from you on Youtube he might axe your job or otherwise discriminate against you. I think forcing people to use their real names could strangle genuine good discussion as much as trollin.
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Wow this is even worse for comments than I thought.
"As it turns out, prominence is given to comments that get a lot of replies and a lot of controversy. Meaning that they have essentially created an institutionalized method to feed the trolls." - TotalBiscuit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTspUNj-4w)
Also he's right, TV is dying a slow death, meanwhile Google and other big internet companies are hard at work trying to turn the internet into TV.
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Google is raising my ire with all these pointless bullshit changes. They pissing me off to no end. Fuckers.
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I absolutely hate the new changes to Youtube. I've had a Google+ account for a while now, but the ONLY thing I ever did with it was create it. I never even went back to it once after I created it. Now Youtube has merged with Google+, and sometimes I'll find myself somewhere randomly in Google+ land, when I want to be on Youtube...and it's really annoying. Or the fact that it deleted my avatar and I had to put a new one up. Or the main problem...the new comment system is horrible.
I hate this new change like everyone else, but I swear, I'm getting sick of seeing Bob and the tank thing, the link to the incredibly loud flashing screamer, and the ASCII dick pictures. Posting that crap isn't helping the situation at all, and is quite frankly highly annoying.
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If I already didn't have a Google+ account (which I don't use anyway), I would've told Youtube to piss off. Of course I love commenting on old school game collectors videos as well as videos of old school gaming, so I kinda am glad I do have an account, though it's not under my real name and have never rolled with the "use my real name" thing Youtube tried to force on me at one time.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Cynicalbrit/comments/1qmm33/google_comments_official_youtube_response/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Cynicalbrit/comments/1qmm33/google_comments_official_youtube_response/)
Wow, when even just a couple guys say that it's worse than 4chan, you know you done goofed.
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Youtube comments have been absolute garbage for years. I don't see why anyone even bothers with them anyway.
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Hmm. I'd always known it would get ugly, but I never expected this:
"We have been listening to your feedback, and are aware of the abuses certain members of the community are engaging in. This very vocal minority has ruined what was meant to be a cleaner, more efficient commenting system.
I'd like to restate that the vast majority of users already own a Google+ account, so really it is the trolls of the internet who have hijacked the conversation. We have begun implementing steps to get rid of these harmful comments and silence the trolls.
Hang in there, folks!"
Vic Gundotra, Senior Vice President, Social, at Google.
Hard to believe, isn't it? I'm glad I never really bothered to comment on Youtube.
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Youtube comments have been absolute garbage for years. I don't see why anyone even bothers with them anyway.
Well, at least it was fun. I really enjoyed having conversations with Rainbow Dash, Vegeta and Joseph Stalin.
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Well, at least it was fun. I really enjoyed having conversations with Rainbow Dash, Vegeta and Joseph Stalin.
Quote of the year!
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I'd like to restate that the vast majority of users already own a Google+ account...
No shit, you've not given anyone who uses any google services over the last year much choice.
so really it is the trolls of the internet who have hijacked the conversation. We have begun implementing steps to get rid of these harmful comments and silence the trolls.
They can't "hijack a conversation" if they're the only people participating in it. Most users may technically have a google+ account, but having it and using it, or even caring about it, are very different things. I don't know how many old yahoo emails I made in the 90s, but I'm not exactly broken up that I don't remember. PR men, gotta loath em.
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And here's the worst of it: forcing Google+ onto Youtube users will do practically nothing to help encourage more "meaningful" conversations. In the same way anonymous users were creating 'fake' Youtube accounts to post the offensive or inflammatory comments Google is fighting against, contemporary trolls will simply create fake Google+ accounts, complete with false, inconspicuous names, to post the same garbage they've gotten used to posting in the past. So it's essentially a useless measure. Worse, it'll cause Google+ to become littered with empty, unused accounts, which are far more likely to hurt the G+ experience than to help it in any way.
In the end, if Google had truly followed its own self-proclaimed motivations, it would have implemented the video comment integration from Google+ into Youtube, and not the other way around. The way it stands, the move is nothing more than a very poorly-conceived pitch to promote its relatively unsuccessful social network. And, most importantly, it comes to the detriment of its users' privacy and trust.
And so, for Gundotra's statement, I call BS.
Well done, Google. You've managed to disappoint us all.
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There was a time when I was a huge G+ fan, but Google's power plays are making it harder than ever to remain a fan. I'm still an Android fan, but only until Firefox OS gets better and Ubuntu Touch is really finished next year.
Then, bye bye Google. They were good times, until you went and became an ass about everything.
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-I'm OK with GMail.
-I joined G+ a long while ago actually, when it first launched... but it just wasn't interesting. And this is coming from someone who actually was afraid of Facebook but eventually embraced it. G+ just doesn't seem to offer anything particularly different AND it doesn't have the number of people that Facebook has.
-I enjoyed Google Talk for a bit... but I used Skype more... but now "Hangouts" replaced Talk. And "Hangouts" seems related to G+.... but I'll just stick to Skype for now.
-I actually used Google Buzz for a while, but then I got sick of it. It's now dead.
-I use Google Translate for a few things. I like it.
-and I use Youtube to upload and share my VG Music Arrangement.
What I don't want, however, is for my comments to show who I am. I'm known as "TGMagus", not as "Jorge D. Fuentes". I don't want any G+ people to get into Youtube. I used to just share what I made for Youtube on G+... but now, it shows "Jorge D. Fuentes shared this". People don't need to know that I shared it. And though I don't mind using my real name, I've developed a separate group of people with Youtube who know me as TGMagus.
I don't want 'friend requests' for G+, since it's a system I never use. It's dividing my audience, in my opinion.
I used to comment quite a bit for Youtube, but since the change, I've been unable to comment... even in my own channel.
I don't feel compelled. And the constant "Do you want to use your real name? No? OK WE'LL ASK YOU AGAIN LATER" just makes me want to quit Youtube altogether.
I think I will just refrain from merging anything. I guess I don't need to comment on Youtube. Thankfully it doesn't stop me from uploading.
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What Google doesn't get is, we already have Facebook, so why would anyone want G+, which winds up being just another social network to check.
Why do we need Bing when we have Google search?
Why would we need anything else when we have Amazon?
That's the cardinal rule of the internet. There's only one winner. Which isn't to say that no one else should compete, but it's a longshot to win when someone's established something they do REALLY well.
YouTube's a cesspit anyway, I can't imagine why anyone would be falling all over themselves to post comments on there anyway, much less having to sign up for another social network
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All I've got to say on the matter is that I'm leaving Youtube because of it. Haven't decided what video site to move to yet, but it's happening soon.
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As a musician, I'm kind of stuck having to use YouTube, even though YT is pretty much the bad guy in terms of lost music revenue these days.
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Stopping trolls is the saddest excuse I've heard. Hell, even I started trolling after this update ;D And I mean real names... pfft, are you guys telling me Hitler is still alive? I saw mein Führer posting some majestic text-penis pictures. Or, in other words, you can use fake name. It's not like Google's gonna check if every name is real. Like my name, it's male name in Finland, while it's female name in Asia. Am I a troll :P?
Besides, you guys haven't heard, that Youtube changer their rules months ago, and allow usernames? I have no idea how I did it, but I made Youtube stop asking me to use real name. And I mean it would go totally against common sense to force everyone use their names. Think about.. Smosh? PewDiePie? All the band pages.
The only thing I'm worrying about is that I've heard you don't get email notification about new comments on your videos any longer. Is that true? I can't tell myself because I don't get comments on my videos ;D
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Yes. Comment notifications no longer are updated in your YouTube inbox (which renders that part of it obsolete; yet they're still keeping it), and pretty much require you to have a Google+ account linked to your YouTube account in order to get notifications about, post, and reply to, comments.
That might not seem too bad, but for the people like me who rely heavily on commenting to communicate with their subscribers and fan following, that's a fucking problem. Moreso if one had absolutely zero desire to ever use Google+.