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Title: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Ratty on November 13, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
Or at least that appears to be the case, I know the new Xbone-exclusive Dead Rising is gonna be locked at 720p. Now it looks like that may be the rule rather then the exception for Microsoft's system. (I assume Sports and Cable TV will still work in 1080p.) This is oldish news it seems but I got a good laugh when I saw it covered on this week's Jimquisition http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8423-Children-of-the-Resolution (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8423-Children-of-the-Resolution)

I have to agree with Mr. Sterling about the whole thing. As someone who still regularly plays the NES/PSX/N64 etc. I'm far from being overly concerned with graphics. But if we get to see this unceasing push for more expensive visuals, which played such a large part in the death of mid-level developers/publishers this generation, come back to bite the "Triple A" industry in the ass it will be hilarious.

What do you all think?
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: VladCT on November 13, 2013, 12:37:04 PM
Never was too concerned about ZOMG TEH HD, but eh, any excuse to post these again:
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Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on November 13, 2013, 01:02:21 PM
I keep on forgetting to pick up Wii-U versions of games because the PS3 and X360 still play them at 720 (while quite a few titles are in 1080p in the Wii-U versions).
I kick myself when it happens.  It happened twice now, with Assassin's Creed IV and with Batman: Arkham Origins (though I'm not sure whether that rule is true for these titles).

CableTV and Broadcasts aren't in 1080p, they're in 1080i, so that isn't an issue... at least not yet.

I guess XBone is doing "well yeah we're at 720p but we're at higher frames per second" or something?  I have no idea.  I'm not interested in the newer consoles, to be honest.  It took me forever to get a PS3 (after the Slim version and the 2nd price markdown) and even longer to get an X360 (friend of mine sold it to me to help her pay for her car insurance).

But honestly, graphics really aren't everything.  I'm enjoying the 3DS and it's clearly got lower graphics than the Vita, which appears to be languishing.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Las on November 13, 2013, 03:40:23 PM
Yeah it's ironic you guys are having this discussion. I find the ps vita's game selections rather disturbing at best. Why did the psp have such great titles and the ps vita such shitty ones....the world will never know. Glad to see at least some psp games can be bought via psn store and used on the vita. But overall it's not much and still missing some of the better psp games. It almost seems like most of what the vita has appeals to little kids. I mean other than dead or alive  5plus, soul sacrifice and a few other games what the hell is their? Someone outta hammer sony's forums and get their ass moving in the right direction with vita. Get some better game selections for crap sakes!! I mean what they have for the ps3 is off the charts in terms of game selection. Why the hell can't they at least port some of those games or at least some psn network games. It's a bit ridiculous..did they give up on the thing. I think it's capabilities may even exceed ps3. I noticed some of the ninja gaiden games are actually better(at least it appears graphic wise) than on ps3. 

Well i do hear good things about ps4 though. At first i was hearing about how people would have to pay to either use internet for it, or too go on the psn network....but i'm not so sure about that. From what i read it sounds like it depends on the bluy ray drive you have. It will require you to upgrade for a price to do some of that stuff. Or you can email them and they will send you a non-internet ps4????. I must have some of that information probably somewhat wrong,but it sounded like their were 2 versions of the drives. Also i found out that depending on the company who makes the games, ps4 games have the ability to be compatible with ps3 games. I'll assume call of duty games might take advantage of that. But i dont seeit lasting long.....the problem is sony would probably loose money. I dunno how that will be the case but that's what i read. Anyone have any further info to share on ps4? Btw i know absolutely nothing about the xbox or whatever version they are on. As for graphics are concerned they should all get with the program and do 1080. I see little reason to sacrifice graphics. To me it's all about the game selection...but yeah enhanced graphics for the games are an added plus.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: X on November 13, 2013, 03:51:27 PM
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Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?

My only thoughts are this: If the XBox 180 can only do 720p compared to the PS4's 1080p, then maybe Microshaft should not have stuffed it full of all that security crap to begin with! They would have saved up more room inside the box and maybe, just maybe, the console would have had a better, more pleasing design. But as it is a door jam is the best use for it.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Ratty on November 13, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
CableTV and Broadcasts aren't in 1080p, they're in 1080i, so that isn't an issue... at least not yet.
Lol shows how long it's been since I had cable I guess.

I guess XBone is doing "well yeah we're at 720p but we're at higher frames per second" or something?  I have no idea.

Actually as I recall the new "Next Gen! Xbone Exclusive!" Dead Rising is gonna be 720p and locked at 30fps. I remember it being a news item because the PR guys had the monumental task of acting like this was a good thing and that everyone on the dev team was happy about it.

But yeah not counting the PC the newest console I've got is a PS2. Though I'll eventually pick up a PS3 when the price drops for a handful of games I wanna play on that. I kinda want a 3DS XL but for the most part I'm happy staying exclusively PC and retro.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: KaZudra on November 13, 2013, 05:28:22 PM
The reason the Xbone Does 720p is so that you can Multi-task while playing video games.
Multitask features,
Watching TV.
Surfing the Web with IE.
Checking on Freinds.

Now, I'm gonna point out the Flaws in this.
1. Xbone is 5 years too late, if you can afford an Xbone, you probably have a Smarphone that can do all that.
2. Most TVs Have PIP, allowing you to watch TV while playing games anyways, I've done this a few times playing skyrim.
3. Surfing the Web while playing a game isn't too bad, but it's IE... Chrome and Firefox dominate the whole web browser competition.

The Xbone Traded hi-resolution Graphics to have a sidebar that does other stuff than play video games.
a Next Gen Video Game Console that is more focused on everything but games.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Ratty on November 13, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
So in function it's essentially a decade old current gen console with useless peripherals duct taped on? How surprisingly... Nintendo of them.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on November 13, 2013, 10:42:34 PM
It was mentioned fairly early on that the Xbone's tech wouldn't be much better than the 360's since they were focusing on it being an all-in-one media machine, but I guess the information got kind of lost in the debacle over now-reversed consumer ass-reaming.

I even sorta forgot myself, because my Xbox-obsessed friend was kind of slagging on the Wii U for not being very advanced, when here the Xbox One isn't either. I can't wait to rib him over this. :p

To be fair though, a smooth game running 720p locked to 30fps is better than a choppy 1080p game. According to Eurogamer, Arkham City runs smoothly 720p 30fps on the 360, but its 1080p Wii U counterpart isn't locked to 30 frames and suffers a lot of lag as a result, because even though the framerate sometimes jumps above 30 (sometimes up to 42), it often slogs below 30 frames. Which is a shame when you don't have the original developer doing the conversion to another console, because an outside developer may not know how to optimize things. (Shame, too, because I thought the added bloom effects looked neat. Also the armored suits aren't optional, so you miss out on Catwoman's boobage.)
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Intersection on November 14, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
What some people tend to forget about the pixel debate: 720p already offers a considerable amount of detail.
While 1080p might sometimes deliver that small bit of extra spectacle, you'll be hard-pressed in most cases to detect any significant differences between the two.

And speaking of frames: the human eye will begin to assimilate an object as being in motion somewhere before 18 fps. Your typical movie is at 24 fps. Above that, you're going into comfort and aesthetic effects -- 60 fps hardly makes for a standard video, unless you're looking for specific optical effects or motion properties. It certainly isn't something you'll truly need to worry about while gaming.

So I've never truly been convinced by the "OMG no 1080P! XBONE SUX!" arguments that tend to pop up every now and then.
I'd like to see what the consoles actually have to offer, rather than ranting about trivial specifications.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: KaZudra on November 14, 2013, 06:58:46 PM
Actually, the difference between 1080p and 720p are Pretty Steep, this goes for Jaggies and Draw Distance, and much more...
The Xbone's inability to do this is solely by choice to promote shitty gimmicks like Watching TV on Xbox and Browsing WHILE gaming, the browsing is actually okay, but the TV part is just stupid, anyone who can afford an Xbone already has a HDTV with PIP.

The PS4 on the other hand, the 30fps issue is present, but this goes much more for developers, as we seen with CoD: Ghosts, the PS4 can play the game at 60fps (with dips, but getting an update to fix that), It uses all of its new power mainly for games, which is it's purpose as a console.

The Wii-U is much like the Wii, 3rd Parties just can't seem to make good games on it but there will be those Gems that make the console buy-able.


....and then there is PC, which completely shits on the new "Bit Wars", getting 1080p out of a Duo Core AND 4 Gigs or 667 DDR2 Ram, and a Semi-Mid tier Video card.
IF PC can do this at high settings (minus AA) JUST like consoles, then Why the FUCK is 1080p and 60fps so Hard to do with Quad Cores and 8GB of DDr3+ Ram?
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Inccubus on November 14, 2013, 09:46:46 PM
My only thoughts are that Microsoft and Sony can happily continue to NOT earn any money from me. :)
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Bloodreign on November 15, 2013, 11:03:01 AM
Unless a friend of mine does what he did with a PS3 a couple years ago (he deemed I needed a PS3, not really, I functioned fine with a PS2, if anything it's mostly a PS1 machine for me. I did find a PS1 game with an invisible options menu and title screen while playing it on a PS3, X-Men COTA. Plays fine on my PS2 though). Knowing this friend, he makes good money, will wait 2-3 years after he gets one, he'll deem I need yet another system (he could get me a PCE for a bit less really), and I'll wind up with one anyway.

I really don't need anymore modern gen consoles, I do need a Game Gear or a TG-16/PCE though. GG's are at this point mostly in need of brand new screen capacitors though.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: kadosho on November 19, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
Kinda find this a big setback, just a console that plays games is enough. I don't think I will be upgrading, the 360 already has that support. So I really have no objections, being able to use 1080p period from the start would make more sense. So the Xbox One is the Wii U in reverse? --, way to go...
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: KaZudra on November 19, 2013, 06:58:56 PM
and to make things worst for the Xbone, It will have 0 features unless you pay for LIVE.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Belmontoya on November 19, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
You don't need any of those systems anymore bloodreign. I'm a collector and i own or owned the systems you mentioned. The emulators that are out these days are perfect and in a lot of ways, better than the consoles themselves.

I understand the collecting part, but all of my collection sits packed away while i play the same games on my laptop.

The only systems i use other than my laptop is my ps3 and vita. I sold my turbo duo and got $400 bucks for it. The good news is that i can still play every game on it and i don't have to deal with the 4ft cord the control had. Haha
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Abnormal Freak on November 19, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
and to make things worst for the Xbone, It will have 0 features unless you pay for LIVE.

lolwut? r u srs? I suppose I was expecting too much to assume that these "multimedia" features were free as part of the package.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Ratty on November 19, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
Unless a friend of mine does what he did with a PS3 a couple years ago (he deemed I needed a PS3, not really, I functioned fine with a PS2, if anything it's mostly a PS1 machine for me. I did find a PS1 game with an invisible options menu and title screen while playing it on a PS3, X-Men COTA. Plays fine on my PS2 though). Knowing this friend, he makes good money, will wait 2-3 years after he gets one, he'll deem I need yet another system (he could get me a PCE for a bit less really), and I'll wind up with one anyway.

I really don't need anymore modern gen consoles, I do need a Game Gear or a TG-16/PCE though. GG's are at this point mostly in need of brand new screen capacitors though.

The screen is washed out AND the sound doesn't work on my Game Gear, which I've had but barely played since it was new. The sound going out is apparently a common but less talked about problem. Unless you're planning to do some serious hardware modding to turn it into a real console, you're better off just getting a Master System or a Master System adapter for your Genesis. Most of the good GG titles were Master System ports anyway.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Bloodreign on November 19, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
I have a Master System, don't need another one.  ;D

I know someone who can fix Game Gear problems should I ever need one and a need arises to fix it. Emulations nice and all, and it's helped me amass a collection (1,063 games last count), but I won't rely on something I don't consider accurate over something that is. The only things I still play in emulation are games I don't own, or that are far too expensive to buy in physical format. My collections not packed away, everything is right there accessible to me when I need it, pull off the shelf and play. The only work is hooking the system of choice up.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Ratty on November 19, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
I have a Master System, don't need another one.  ;D

What games would you recommend? I've had mine for years but don't have many titles for it, only one I've played all the way through is Phantasy Star, which was admittedly great.

But more on the original topic- consoles have really been shooting themselves in the foot by taking away the plug and play convenience which for so long made up for lackluster technology. I guess we'll just see over the next decade if they can continue to stay relevant as the already dated tech becomes increasingly evident to the consumers at large. I suppose it could be like the last few years where a lot of people don't seem aware how much more advanced games can be since big devs and publishers don't bother making games that won't run on the consoles. But it seems like something'll have to give in this equation at some point.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Bloodreign on November 19, 2013, 09:28:18 PM
Bubble Bobble
Sonic 1 and 2
Sagaia (Darius II)
Rainbow Islands
Fantasy Zone 1 and 2
New Zealand Story
Wonderboy series, the entire thing

Just to name a few.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: KaZudra on November 20, 2013, 03:29:04 AM
Update: The Next gen Crisis - HDD Space

The PS4 Supports SSD, SSHD, and HDD replaceables, which means you can nab a Seagate Hybrid 2TB for $140...
and to note, Hybrid Drives aka SSHD are Hard Drives with an amount of Solid State in it to damn near match SSD performance....

The Xbone, however doesn't support replaceables for now.... and when every game has to be installed and average at 64GB... 500GB really doesn't seem like that much space.

Personally, I'm gonna nab a couple for my Desktop so I can make it ever faster lol
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Ratty on November 22, 2013, 01:22:57 AM
It was revealed a while ago that the Xbone wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING out of the box because it would be in need of a day-one patch. Now Microsoft has removed the ability to predownload this patch. Which is something consumers might actually want to do to avoid the rush.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129878-Xbox-One-Offline-Update-Instructions-Pulled-by-Microsoft (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129878-Xbox-One-Offline-Update-Instructions-Pulled-by-Microsoft)

So now anyone who buys an Xbone anytime near the launch is gonna have to sit and wait for the servers to open up, which could be days if Sim City and Diablo 3 are any indication. And just think, those were servers for individual games, this is an entire console that if it sells anything like the PS4 will have a million people or more trying to download the patch within a week if not sooner. And there'll likely be a comparable rush on December 25th. It's like "Thanks for spending hundreds of dollars on our invasive gimped crap! Now shut up and get in line and we'll make it work when we feel like it. (Well until the planned obsolescence overheating issues kick in of course.)"
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: Shiroi Koumori on November 22, 2013, 03:58:40 AM
(Well until the planned obsolescence overheating issues kick in of course.)"

Ahahaha! It will happen sooner than you expect!  ;D Then it will be all over the webs.
Title: Re: Xbone can only do 720p, cheaper PS4 can do 1080p, thoughts?
Post by: son_the_vampire on December 06, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
Never was too concerned about ZOMG TEH HD, but eh, any excuse to post these again:
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lol
Thanks for the laugh with that Hokuto no Ken meme

They are trying to appeal to a different crowd(Xbox) playstation is showing how far graphics can take u. Just use GT6 for example. 1200 cars that all have gorgeous interiors. That's one of many reasons that make my decision on which system easier.